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Hi, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. We are finally back for 2021 and we can't be we can't be excited. We are excited. We can't be happier that we're back. Yes, we're here with of course yes for and Sam, she's back for a guest spot. If you can do me a favor, y'all. If you could share this stream with everyone that you love. Give us a like thumbs up an angry face. I don't really care. Just give us something that would be great. I just want to say to this is our three year anniversary of the gig economy podcast. Well, we've passed it. It was late December in 2017 that I sat in my laundry room and did a podcast by myself. I should repost that.

I was worried you knew your laundry?

Oh, no. Definitely not. No. In my laundry room. It was like a 15 minute podcast with some ghetto ass mic. And so we've come a long a long ass way. So three years. Three years. Yeah, we're heading into our fourth year. So this studio is sponsored by Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid. We'll talk about them a little bit later those Uber notifications that you're hearing that's people liking and sharing the stream so that usually hot and heavy beginning keep doing it. Yes, keep doing it. Well. It's totally fine.

I knew it was coming in it still like incited panic in me for a second.

Yeah, Yeah, it does. I don't know. I don't remember what the lift one is set to but we don't get that one a lot. Which is good. Before we get into the podcast a little bit, a little bit of housekeeping. We do have a merch store now if you go to red bubble comm and search the gig economy podcast. You can buy t shirts, phone covers what we're what we're teasing about Yes. Where you can buy a comforter.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what I want to go to bed and

notebook and a special request. If you want a comforter with Jesper an eye on it, we would be happy to oblige.

We're gonna be a calendar edition.

Yeah, we're gonna be bent over. Yeah.

So if you go to red bubble comm search the gig economy podcast, you can find that also. Well, yeah. Also, I want to thank all our Patreon Keith from Georgia. Janet from New Zealand, Leo from Detroit, Larry from Bowling Green Sampson from Grand Rapids, Miguel from Grand Rapids and Ron g from San Francisco. So also, if you'd like to join the fun with them and get extra perks and extra perks and a merch, extra perks and merge, you can do that. Go to and search the gig economy podcast. Okay, stories. While we know yes, it doesn't have any Sam and I have still been. Do you have a story?

I don't

know, Sam and I have been trudging through the gig economy. And yeah, I've had a lot Go on, but nothing that really stands out. One thing that did happen over the holiday break after Christmas, I took a route for a surge rate and got to the warehouse for amazon flex in the warehouse was closed. So there were about 25 cars there like going What the hell and so I emailed support a couple of times wasn't expecting any money, but they actually paid me a couple days ago. So I'm pretty happy about that.

So he returned to work after Christmas, like just take the day off. Hey, you know, again, I'll talk about how nobody takes enough vacation.

I know we

are the day after Christmas.

He got 66 bucks for free, man,

what's up with that? Yeah.

And I got another free route yesterday, I went to go pick up a route they they do something sometimes they overbooked now the warehouses don't create the routes somewhere else in the world. They do it. And I don't know, they predicted wrong, but I took one package and was paid $77. So yeah, I'm

sure that truck that you saw pull in was just late. And they probably didn't need all those routes probably in time. Yeah.

Could be. What about you saying? Well,

I mean, not really. Like instacart it's pretty straightforward and shipped not a lot of craziness really happens.



you know what's crazy is you're not in the center of your shot. You're like, that's

because my cat got up into my lap and I can't twist under the desk with her on my leg. Because she's too fat.

Just Just pincher.

No, I like her being here. Who is

every day is like a field trip. He says he needs that comforter,

I think is john.

Oh, is chocolate.

But she's being quiet. So

all right. She was whining earlier.

I guess I will mention that. Like I told you about that really good Costco order I had.

Yeah, Sam. Sam goes.

Once in a while Costco treats a few gems. I had a single order at Costco was a double but the second order was like seven items. And it paid me $118 to drive nine miles. Oh, yeah. It was a real good order.

What How did that happen?

It was just the tip was over. $90 for the one lady. Oh, nice. Yeah,

that's amazing. Let's see. Pretty cool. Stephen, Colorado. Happy anniversary. Thanks, Steve. Appreciate that. He has a podcast too called rideshare. rodeo. I think that's steve steve. I

wrote it. Okay.

After we you know, we mentored him, and then he started his own podcasts and started taking our listeners. Yeah, yeah, that Steve. Just kidding, Steve. Just kidding.

Sorry, Steve. didn't recognize you.

Oh, john, john. That's fine. Thanks, john. All right. Let's move on Irvine's auto repair Grand Rapids hybrid. They are located on Stafford just east of 131 off 44th Street. They are the studio sponsor and they have been sponsored for like, at least a year and a half.

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just opened the comments.

Oh you did mine. We're off to

that's why So sorry, sorry about that. Yeah. anatomy.

Colorado Johnson says, Steve, he was talking about how people need to do dumpling over instacart we have a couple people using dumpling in this market. He is Steve. But if you have like for the end user, it's a lot more expensive. So I mean, either way. I don't think it's too used here in the Midwest, but, but we know about it.

Yeah, we both use the timer to did seem a little bit more pricey, but you are supporting someone, you know, not a huge corporation, which is kind of nice. Correct. Yeah.

dumpling. It's just you as a shopper, you take the risk that you pay to use the service. Yeah, you have to earn that money. And I don't think a lot of people want to take that risk.

You know, when I did it, too, it was very clunky how I had to get her the order like I had to. I placed it on instacart. And then I made her you can add someone as a user on instacart you know what I mean? where they can access your list but then with with Meijer, I had to send her screenshot, I don't know, it was kind of a pain in the ass.

Well, it's because again, the dumpling platform is standalone and tie into into the other one, what instacart mean, gets all the mo instacart and, and ships, they get the information from the stores. Right, right. Kind of all kind of synchronized that way. So

all right, as we jump into gig economy news, I want everyone's predictions for the gig economy in 2021. Like, what do you think is gonna happen? I thought about this a little bit. And for me, one of the things is I think Lyft is going to get bought out by Amazon. I know they've been thinking about buying a rideshare company. And I think with how terrible rideshare has been, I don't even know how Lyft is still in business, to be honest with you. Like, there can't be any. I mean, I know there's some brides but I mean, they can't be making near what they used to be making the handling

the money way better than Uber is.

Well, yeah,

that's clear. But would you guys, I mean, what's your thoughts on Amazon or even another company?

I don't think Amazon would be allowed to buy Lyft No, I don't think so. Why is that? They're just gonna slowly create a monopoly with watch Amazon do it with so many things in the past that it might be the final straw that like people step in and say no. Hmm.

Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think that's gonna work either. I do think, though, that. I think as as more and more people are getting vaccinated and the pandemic is getting less, I think a rideshare company is going to have just a super strong year as people are just itching to get back outside. That's that's my prediction. That I think you know, once once all this is over, hopefully soon. are getting closer than that is going to get a much stronger year. What's going on, Sam?

Jason, can you hear the background?

Yeah, just listen to the cat fights.

Is that is that the kidneys in the bed?

Yeah, I'm sorry. No, you're fine. If you're watching the show tonight, you might get a cat fight.

One cat, one cat

fighting rhythms. Oh.

But yeah, and I don't disagree. I swear, I think people are gonna be itching to get out and go to the bars as soon as they can. But it's gonna be a tough return to what it was for lift.

Yeah. Anyone that's watching if wants to chime in on your market, if bars are open or whatever. I know. They're not here in Garner, not in Michigan.

There's one in I was in what Hopkins? Yeah, there's a bar up at Hopkins that can tell you that much.

Oh, there. There is a there's a lot of places are open that are under the radar. But we won't mention those. So

let me go and talk about that.

You don't talk about Fight Club. All right. So any other predictions? You guys think about the gig economy as far as like doordash or grubhub? or any of those food delivery things? I

don't know. I mean, Postmates is already bought up by Uber. Yep. And I mean, I don't think I don't expect any big companies to honestly burn the cash this year to purchase anything.

Yeah, that's true.

They're probably gonna wait, I would guess 2022 is probably going to be a bigger year for more acquisitions of the smaller companies. Why don't

you think Lyft never got really into the food delivery? Do you just think that the market was so saturated? They're like, not it's not worth it?

Maybe and just I think Lyft maybe it's just more committed to focusing on their core product and being the best version of it, which is, of course debatable, depending on your market. But I think that's kind of that's what they're known for. They're not trying to be number one at everything. They just want to be a good Which is probably

a good smart move, not try to be number one because they know that they're never going to be number one. Well, they're

focusing on what they're really good at. So that is that I think that's good.

Yeah, that is good.

So I think the more interesting question here is, is what's going to happen with what's gonna happen with all the? Oh,

keep going? All right.

Yeah, I got distracted by that by by the comment. What's gonna happen to all the grocery shopping services as things open back up? Because there's so many people getting used to it now. Right?

And then so nicely to what Marissa just said in the comment? Well, yes.

There you go. Hey, oh.

You miss?

Yes. Were you miss Sam? She you missed her rip it on. You

know, I know. I know. But but it's just I think the question is, how many people are getting used to it? How many of you don't want to go back to the store and do the shopping themselves because they realize, they also realize that they actually In fact, saving money, because they're only getting what they want. They don't get all the crap that they don't own. They don't they don't need right. So there's all that additional benefits of not doing it. So the whole question is, how much is that actually got went down? Or is it at all gonna go down?

Well, I agree with Marissa a little bit people are lazy dude, the like, was it you Sam, I was talking I was gonna order Ben and Jerry's and in like two pints with tip and fees was gonna be like 25 bucks. And my wife's like, She's like, no way. Like, normally I let you do whatever you want. You cannot you cannot spend $25 on two points. I agree. When Meyer is a mile down the road, and it's on sale for like 245

I chocolate cheesecake from my couch for like half an hour and shipped. And I didn't do it because I wasn't going to spend that much money for a chocolate cheesecake. But I thought about it. But

I guess my point to Marissa is like, yeah, I think it will, it will reduce it with their own pickup. But people are lazy man, they don't even want to go pick it up.

I don't think the concept of like grocery gig work will go away. It just that shipped specifically might take a big hit because Meijer is pulling back. Yeah, they're getting to the point where they don't want to deal with shipped anymore.

Well, no, because their competitor owns it.

Right? And I mean, if they can have their own staff do most of the shopping really all they need us for us to deliver it. You could use any service for that.

Yeah, I gotta tell you, then my staff need to really upped their game because we ever had a couple of times with mail that staff did. And they did such a poor job that

No, no, part of the reason that is is because the Meijer staff don't communicate if something's not there, and you don't have a substitution pitch. They don't contact you. They don't have phones. They have a little scanner, they don't have phones.

Whoa, that's a part of the problem.

Yes. So yes, that's something that you'd have to think about was that you need to have a way to communicate with customers.

Well, I'm glad that you brought that up. Because Hey, you shipped then don't use Meyer. Yeah, it's a little bit more. But if you can't communicate,

that is only if you're doing pickup, okay. Yeah. If you go through the Meijer website to have it delivered, it's still a ship shopper doing it as I order it. That's what the prepaids are. Okay. It's just been your order through the Meijer website. And then a shipped person shops and delivers.

But the deliveries isn't that much more expensive?

Well, it is.

But if you use if you go through ship, the prices are raised if you go through their regular price,

right? And then you just paid $10 for the delivery fee, which is cheaper than the markup if you do a big order. Yes. And you get the sale prices. So if something's five for five at the store, you actually get it five for five. Yeah, you don't.

So Marissa is actually right now he's saying somebody did the math once. And if you do weekly orders of 80 or more, it's cheaper to the ship anymore. Then it's cheaper to do Meijer.

Yes. So yeah, from my small orders, I still go through the shipped app, because I don't pay a delivery fee because I have a free membership. And the markup is cheaper for a small order. Hmm. But I have a big order. I do it do my own comm delivery fee is actually cheaper than the markup.

So you say you have a membership fee? Is that something anybody can do? Is it only because you are also a shipper.

Anybody can purchase a membership. It's like 100 bucks a year, which then gets you free deliveries as frequently as much as long as you spend 35. But if you're a ship shopper, you just get a free membership.

So that's essentially the prime model. Right. So are we gonna see more? We think we think we're gonna see more prime models for these types of services.

Probably instacart has one two, it's instacart Express, I think. You pay a yearly fee and you get a discount on every delivery order.

I mean, prime goes up every year. We just don't pay No matter what, right because it's easy.

You can't get well.

Speaking of prime, I mean, we're talking about you know, grocery shopping, Amazon's coming with whole foods like this year is going to be different we're not only going to be doing logistics for Amazon we're going to be doing hold food, whole food deliveries and everything. So that's really going to change up the game.

Well, and we are getting I mean, just here personally, however, we have getting more pantry orders now so it's just it's that's easier to

Yeah, I mean, I swear to God, I never look at any other site. I go to Amazon. I'm like, okay, here to ship. You know what

the most awesome thing whether the other day, right? Somebody delivered a 50 pound dog food to our door I didn't have brilliant.

Yeah, it's it's that was probably FedEx though.

Oh, maybe I don't care. But I still didn't have to ship it. I didn't have to go pick it up.

If just a Esper if you order from pet supplies, plus, they will deliver from the store to your house for free, as long as you spend like 30 bucks. See,

I didn't know that. But i prime doesn't have a cost don't have a prime, but your

bag of dog food probably covers it.

Well, Roy's already pretty cheap.

I was gonna say I don't buy that good brand. I buy the cheapo brand.

Oh shit, I buy my dogs. Eat like kings is frickin hilarious. Let's move on. Before one thing that I gotta say that Leo had a prediction about doordash. And they said they're going to lower it. Where's the comments go? Or was it?

I see it's the lower the base to win dollar God if

they do that is already so frickin low. I mean, it's $3. And

what's two more dollars at that point, people are still gonna do it. Right? I got

so many requests a day for $3 to go like seven miles to deliver some food. I'm like, Are you high? Like, I'm not even gonna buy

what you guys say you can make good money on food delivery. And I know you can. But I feel like when you start, it's just so hard. Because all you just get pelted with these five and $6 orders. And if you can't do four or five of them in an hour, you're not making good money. You have to be smart. I

mean, I've literally run three apps when I'm doing food delivery, Uber, grubhub, and doordash. And doordash is kind of like a filler. You know what I mean? It's like if I got nothing, and in a $7 one pops up. I'll take it. Right. But for the most part, it's Uber grub hub.

Yeah, it's it's a hustle.

It's definitely it gets very hairy carry, like, you have to know like you. Let's say you pick them up for doordash. And it's going five miles west. Well, I keep the other apps on what if a grub hub comes up? That's close. I mean, you're like, in your head your

other day when you were mad? Because you had to wait for somebody?

Yeah. Yeah. Like you're literally in your head making a map. And you're like, Okay, I can grab this one. This is going west jennison. It's when you eff up and you realize they're like six miles apart? And

you're like, Oh, yes. Yeah, it'd be nice to have a better map app that allowed you to add multiple stops more easily than the ones do now. So you can,

yeah, that would be pretty sweet. If

you could Google Maps, you can add stops along the way to your destination and see if things make sense. But it's time consuming.

That's the problem. You don't have a lot of time to make those decisions. Right. So it's quick. Yeah, just a tip for any new drivers or food delivery. You take a time and look at that map. They put those pictures on there and they look like they're really close together. Look at the miles and then even if you have to zoom in a little bit, take a peek because you can get burned real

quick. I did that the shift order I thought they were like a mile apart and they were 20 minutes apart. Oh. The guy didn't care. He still picked up Timmy gave me the rating. So.

Alright, we're gonna jump into our first picture. I have a lot to say about this one. Yes.

I think this is funny. So it goes you could have run the doorbell leaving notes please ring Bell fucking delivery guy you should know the ring the ring that goddamn doorbell dumb ass.

First of all, first of all, I'm impressed. Yes, we're read all the swears.

Good job. Offer to read and

I didn't want to but it's getting it. You know, Jason is always he always does this to me. So I'm, I'm actually I'm actually impressed that there's at least not one body part in there as well. But anyways, so what was all the things you're going to say about this? Cuz I think this is I mean, oh, he was fine. Like, well, it's I would not have run, run Nobel. I would not have I would just left it and then when I supposed to do

well, it's a constant battle with me because personally, I I always try to leave food or do my job like how I would want to be treated right. So when I get to the door, I always knock. When I leave the food. I do it every single time unless it says please don't knock. And I think but I've had you know, I think people don't like to knock sometimes because maybe their kids are sleeping and everything. But if I got food, I mean, yes, I do have my phone on me most times, but a lot of times those notifications come in and out, they drop down on the screen and they pop up and then you don't know they're there. If someone knocks I'm gonna know that immediately like, Oh, my foods here, so

I'm sure Franklin will let you know.

Oh, yeah. And winning he, man those dogs. But um, what do you what do you guys prefer? I mean, would you rather have someone knock? Or would you just rather have the app tell you?

I always want people to knock. You do? Yeah, yeah, definitely knock. You don't need to ring. my doorbell doesn't work. But

at least knock. I don't care cuz I am on it. I mean, I don't ever get food delivered. Right. But I wouldn't I wouldn't know.

I mean, I follow them. Like once I see the cars pulled into the driveway. Like I'm ready to go. But it's it's just what you do.

That's me. Yes. We're when I'm hangry. I'm like, Where is this MRI for? You know what I mean? Like I need you. Larry says he wrong turns. Yeah. Like Where are you going? Are

you picking up another order?

I never do that. Wait, wait. Yeah,

I just thought it was moved down the

street. Right. Yeah, I feel like you should knock. I think it's a courtesy thing. I mean, UPS does it. They honk their horns and they pull up. They deliver the baggage, they knock on the door and they honk their horn when they leave now.

I'm not saying thank you.

Yeah. So you're trained to do

I mean, I guess I wouldn't hear the horn.

They don't all do it. Because some people think it's annoying. But

yeah, you're sitting baby in the house or a loud dog that would be pissed if you knocked on my door. Well, most.

Most days, the UPS driver doesn't even come down my driveway. He just parked out there and he runs down. Drop the box and leaves again. Oh, yeah. You

can't pull that truck in your driveway. No, I

know. Yeah. I don't care. Do whatever you want. drop drop off the 50 bag. Pound a dog food. Oh, man, that

poor driver. Oh, Frick. I did. I deliver something heavy today too. And I was like, this sucks.

A package today?

What do you mean? She had a route?

No, she was with me. Oh, I didn't know she was with you. Yeah. What do you think a 35 pound box. So she dropped it on the ground there. What

are you bitching about you had your mom there the whole time to at least keep you company?

Oh, yeah. No. Yeah.

All right.

So what happened to my podcast when she's talking all the time? It was fine.

Sure, it was fine.

Hey, we're not responsible for the packages. The Packer should have packed it right. If it breaks, it's not our problem. Throw that shit in the back and let's go

when I get a package from Amazon and it's already super messed up and I'm like, oh, they're gonna think I did this

right? Or you get a package and there's like a tire print over it and you're like, Oh my god, it's all in one piece. So Alright, the next is a video about some the Lyft insurance and how a driver is not getting covered and then we'll talk about it.

A Schiller Park Lyft driver got into a fender bender and thought no worries. I pay extra for rideshare insurance. I'll be okay.

Right But he got stuck with a bill and he says his insurance company misled him. Morning insider timok. Nicholas learned confusion over murky coverage is a recurring theme in rideshare.

It was a trip to the airport.

A hot ticket for rideshare driver evicted

on disability. I'm doing this to get some extra cash but he wound up with a bill for that November trip a big one.

Almost everything I've been able to save since I've been earning lift.

You see Vandana backed into a truck at the start of the ride dumb as part

of the bumper had popped

out. The truck was unscathed, but his van had about 18 $100 worth of damage

that money and other bills.

So he tried to get his insurance company to cover the damage. After all, he pays an extra two founders for rideshare coverage.

They said Oh wait, did you have a passenger as well? Yes, I did. And she said well, you're not covered if you have a passenger.

He didn't like the smell of that. He says founders insurance told him since he was working only lifts insurance could handle it despite this special rideshare coverage, but lifts policy has a 20 $500 deductible so they couldn't help him with his 18 $100 repair.

My rideshare insurance that I've graded is basically just permission to use my vehicle that I own to go and drive for Lyft.

We hate to hear these stories, but we hear them all the time. Attorney Brian greening of the Chicago based firm legal rideshare says insurance is the most common topic. In his cases, he says some policies only cover certain phases of the job like when you're looking for a passenger versus when you're actually driving them. to adequately protect yourself. You need to go into your insurance company and say I want full coverage for rideshare work. greening says he'd like Uber and Lyft to do a better job explaining insurance nuances to drivers.

Magnus, as founder should have explained,

what logic would make anyone ever think that having a passenger in the vehicle isn't covered? Even though I've upgraded rideshare?

No, it's covered.

But now he knows a rideshare policy won't always prevent an insurance tug of war. Tim McNicholas CBS two news.

You know, Pete has gone through this, they stepped in, but that does bring up a good question. Does that? I mean, once you're on period two, and three are all that the rideshare apps responsible?

I mean, I think technically, yes. Because they do say they will insure you that time. But most insurance companies will cover

the deductible different gonna say I thought, Yeah, I thought I heard two that they will help cover the deductible. So

they would cover 200. Okay,

if your five theirs is 2000, your insurance company should pony up 1500. Right. And then you just be on the hook for the other three. Yeah,

it makes me want to talk to Jackie about that, just to the fact that I do have rideshare insurance. And I'm curious what would happen, but I mean, we all know the deductibles at least you're probably supposed to.

I should have not been a surprise for him.

No. And again, I mean, none of the FM I didn't want to ask if there was actually a passenger in the car at the time. I don't think

I think there was he picked him up and he backed up.

No, I mean, I know. Yeah. For mom or me, when accidents have happened. Like it's just been Yes, I was on a platform, this is what happened. And it's been fine. They just

move ahead. But it doesn't matter if you are. So basically, at least the two differentiators is it doesn't matter whether you're on the platform or not. But it is I used on the way to get a passenger or do you have in your car, though, that's, that's period two or three. Those are the two where Uber and Lyft. Insurance definitely covers it. Right. And so in those situations, that's what Uber and Lyft is first, but I'm like you I'm with you, Sam, I was on the impression that in those situations, your own rider will go in and cover up to the deductible.

Right, which I mean, that's what,

but it's an insane question to have have Draggy answer.

I'm assuming most of those, but that's usually what happens is that they kick in at least that small amount.

is talking all the time.

When I got into the accident doing flex, I had to have Amazon send a letter to me refusing to cover it. And my insurance picked it up.

Yeah, it's it's definitely. It's definitely you need to have the rider just, it's super cheap. So I mean, but you should call your company and say, Okay, what happens? Like, know your periods, give them an example, I had a passenger, I backed into just like this guy and say, What will you all cover? Like it was 1800. Like, you literally use that guy's example and say it was 18 $100 worth of damage is lifting. Am I gonna have to pay for that? Are you guys gonna help or what? Just so you know, right.

I think it's ridiculous that founders didn't step up and paid for that. There's no doubt.

Right? Well, I know we talked with. Yeah, Dustin says, unless you don't have the endorsement, then you get dropped. Yeah.

But that was the whole thing this guy had. Right. You had the founders writer? Yeah. Yeah. So there's, ya know, that writer is not I don't think I don't feel like that writer is like most of the other writers we've discussed. What do you mean, like most of the writers we've discussed, from the other companies would have covered that difference?

Yeah. I mean, you know, he experienced the same thing. They did step in and pay for it. But

you have a good Yeah. Bring bringing up a good question. Maybe it was because it was his fault.

Yeah, that could be an at fault state. And that is true.

I never thought about that. Yeah.

Yeah, he did. He did the deed. He did the deed.

All right. Yes. Well, let's move on while you talk a little bit about Uber and doordash. raising prices in California to fund driver perks, which we'll talk about a little bit later, too.

That's a fun article you gave me again,

I did. Hey, at least I didn't put any Anything with like sex or nudity tonight, so you should be happy that you don't want to feel awkward with that.

I'm not awkward. Did you have a slide for this? I'm

just No, it's just an article. Sorry.

No, that's fine. Okay, so this is an article from Bloomberg. And basically, it's all about as Jason said that Uber and doordash is raising the prices in California to fund the additional driver perks. And of course, this is all about proposition 22, which is an extenuation of that the other thing, maybe five, maybe five, thank you. That's what I was going for, which is all this thing that now are the drivers, as opposed to get all these extra benefits. So the idea is Uber technologies raised prices for customers in California on Monday and doordash, Inc, will soon follow, adding fees to find new driver perks granted by the state's voters in last month's election goes on to say the cost to Uber customer will vary depending on the city and type of service to company said, for example, each food delivery bill in Los Angeles is increased by 99 cents in San Francisco, it's an additional $2. And the surcharge for rides is 75 cents in Los Angeles and 30 cents in San Francisco. It goes as high as one dollars and 54 in less populated area. So basically what they're doing is what everybody said they were doing, I said just passing on the cost, right? And so, of course, how else are they gonna get all this this money? I'm not gonna go ahead and read the rest of the article, because it's just more of the same. Yeah, the idea is that, that, of course, all these extra perks that that drivers are not going to get it has the money has to come from somewhere. Right? So all it's doing is making the services more expensive for the users. And so now the question becomes, is that gonna? Is that gonna last long term is are people going to be okay with that? Are people going to stop using those things? So that that's where the big? No, so I said that we're gonna, you know, bite them in the behind, because people are going to stop, stop using them as much, but Well, time will tell.

Okay, this is gonna be a stupid question. But you know me, I'm super vulnerable. I don't care if it looks stupid. So prop 22. We were all hoping we were saying, okay, which way were you wanting to vote? I thought the rideshare companies got what they wanted. So why all of a sudden, are they giving these benefits to these drivers?

There was a an agreement made that they kind of met in the middle but still shifted toward okay. It companies.

Okay. The big

thing about promises in 2002 was whether or not that drivers himself was going to be treated as independent contractors. Right? It didn't, it didn't take away all the perks that they got by Eb five. Okay. So some of them Yes, but, but the big differentiator and the big reason why Uber and Lyft still saw it as a win was those drivers, I still? Excuse independent? Exactly. They're still independent contractors, which means Uber and Lyft, do not have to do all the FICA and all the other taxes. You know, every time. Exactly.

Okay. I was a little confused. But we'll look at some, actually real soon, about how they've kind of grub up this kind of change things in California people and drivers are

best. But I mean, I don't know what people honestly expected. I that's my thing. Insurance is going to be paid for somebody was paying for it. Did they honestly think that Uber was going to come out of pocket for it? No, actually, when the company hasn't ever been profitable?

Yeah. That's a dangerous word, Sam. That's exactly.

It does have revenue. They're just not profitable. But why do they have revenue?

Well, why are they not profitable? Because they

spend their money. They're spending too much money. But that matter is they aren't profitable. They don't, in theory on paper, have the money laying around, but Penny make

they make money hand over fist? Oh, I know. I know. But that's the that's ridiculous. Part of that part is the whole system tells them that they are allowed to be in a situation where they on paper are making no money, which is ridiculous.

I agree. I think yes, verse should be the CEO CFO and say, Hey, he doesn't our business. She's like, Jason, you're a spin and she

let you spend money, man. It's so good. It's all good. Sam, but it's just that's kind of my

guess. Are people really upset about paying an extra 75 cents for a ride if it means their driver now has health insurance?

No, I don't. It's not It's not the riders or the customers. It's, it's the drivers. But anyways, well, we'll talk about that a little bit later. Okay. The cost is

still being passed on to the passenger.

Yeah, exactly.

But you know how we're drivers are they see what the company is bringing it in versus what they're making? And they think they're entitled to a percentage. And that is not the case. Again,

it's getting more than 50%.

Again, for. I've said from the beginning, why they did that upfront pricing and showed the drivers, that was the biggest mistake both apps ever did. Like, I would be like, it's my company. I'm not showing you this. This is what we agreed on. If you don't like it move on. Well, they are still saying that, but the problem is people are seeing the giant numbers that are charging passengers. And they're like, what the fuck?

Yeah, because passengers are, I think more openly saying, Wow, I paid $100 for this ride. Yeah, we're like, oh, well, I got paid $15 for it.

Oh, my God.

Let's see. That's what that's what would lift that. I

think it is for the Uber. In regards to what

I'm sure that's based

that whole differentiation between what has been particularly I mean, I haven't driven for eight months, I don't know. Sure. But when I was driving back then, people were saying that the whole the whole surge price system with Lyft was broken, people are being charged 6070 $80. And the driver was still only getting 15.

Right? It wasn't broken. It just wasn't being you know, great for drivers.

Right for that one thing.

At least at least Uber had some kind of you will still get paid get paid a surcharge. Right, right.

Yeah, Lift. Lift effectively eliminated searches for the driver.


I forgot. forgot to tell the passengers.

Oh, by the way, we're gonna screw the driver, but we're still are we Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna screw both of them. But you're gonna take most of it.

You're only gonna have to pay $97 for today's ride.

And they don't tip us because they think we just made $80 on it. Right.

All right, we're gonna jump in in the next video. I know. It's kind of some of the stuff is old news because we were on break. But this news? Yeah. Oh. This is a doordash driver conferences.

Can you can you just cut off the I can remove her? Yeah,

I can do that. No, I wouldn't do that.

Here's a favor. But you know.

This doordash driver confronts a CVS manager about not getting her food. We're not gonna play the whole thing, but just you'll get the gist of it.

I was just wondering why you said that your food never got delivered when I handed it to you. So you did uh oh, yeah, it definitely does. And it's like that's that's fraud. And now I might get charged for it says that you've reported that I never delivered your food to you. Well, according to my customer right now. Okay, that's fine. By saying it's fraud and stealing I'm sorry, but you know when when I'm when I'm getting in trouble for my job. Okay. I apologize ma'am.

The funny part that's a cop right there and they're like bought ready to get in a screaming match. The cops like yeah, I'm getting the hell out of here. I don't want to do a report. He's on break. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Sit down. Is it a carbureted event? Because

Nah, I think it's a cop. Yeah, I should fast for this I previewed a little bit

yeah, that's a real cop. Yes,

I got a text message from doordash saying that you have the nerve to come in talking to me when you have the nerve to report your food as never being received so I can get in trouble and have to pay for or lose my job.

Don't report it as being so you're saying you got your food to leave me alone. That's what I'm saying.

So please, please just laughed,

decided to save you got my job. Call the police. We can talk about fraud and

we can talk about

lady you're in my job or business. Leave me alone period.

I just wanted to put her mask. I know put your mask on. Yeah.

All right. Well jump out of that. Yeah, yeah, I like it a lot of the science Yeah, a lot of the signs are saying not just mass required mass

recruited around your nose and your mouth.

It's because very very few people actually know that you also breathe through your nose. It's no shit.

Anyway, so that woman lost her job as for as a Dasher because a you can't be recorded and post that shit. Like, what did she expect? I mean, she knew she was gonna get busted for your


No, ever but CVS, CVS did pull the camera footage and she did receive her food. So that she did that B was lying and just like,

did the fire the B. I don't know. I haven't.

I'm really comfortable with stealing.

Yeah, exactly. Like,

that's a really good point, Sam. And she's a manager. So it's like, clearly comfortable, but but yeah.

Well, I mean, that's not to ruin your future podcast, but the whole $8 tip video that's been going around. What have you seen this girl confronted her? About an $8 10

Yeah, it's on the show later.


I didn't read the articles that weren't mine. I reviewed everything I had.

Fair enough.

We'll be showing that later. This was just a planned. There you go. You cap for a good job.

Anyways, alright. Oil whoops, wrong one. Oil on demand oil changes for you as a customer. Or if you want a new gig, you can do that as well. Go to oil to sign up for doing oil changes or to be a customer. They also are offering jumpstart and fuel delivery. And again, you can sign up to get those services and you can also sign up to be a gig worker for those services. So go to oil sign up for either of them. And it's great, man. I mean, I I have yet to do a gig here in GR but I'm waiting. I'm waiting and we need more customers. So if you need an oil change a jumpstart now this winter, or if you run out of fuel on your dumb ass call, go to oil and get that service. I mean, I'm calling the possible future customers dumb asses.

I mean, considering what happened to me the other day, Jason, that picture I sent you.

Yeah, I was running really low too. But again, oil Lutra oil and then if you could follow them on Facebook to just search up oil Luber. That would be fantastic. And I wanted to

know to the Jason did buy a new pay to cool part of equipment. So he's very excited to be able to

I know it's a it's been in my car for a month. I'm like, I need the jumpstart. I'm ready to use that sucker.

Did you make the company pay for that?

No. Oh, no, no, no, no, it's mine. No, but now that you mentioned it I may expense that

All right, this is kind of a kind of a racist bullshit thing. Sammy, go ahead and read it and then we can talk about it.

So this is instructions from an Uber Eats order. It's from somebody in Australia. Just so you understand what it is yes, these are why they these are the specific racisms that exist. So the instructions are leave at door and then to the driver. If you're from India or surrounding countries, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, etc. do not accept this delivery order as I will send you back and get a refund. To if you leave my food on the ground at my door. I will kill you. Australia is a first world country leaving it on the ground is third world when in Rome live as the Romans do live how we live here and leave your old ways behind at least have the decency to call me went out my door so I know you have arrived. And number three, I'm 100 meters from Stacy straight not 500 meters. Do not go back Google Maps as it has been placed in the wrong location. Oh, no. I think you can save that not

well. Here's the thing. So me being naive and wait, you guys always tease me that's not Photoshop. Right? You think that's legit?

Oh, yeah, that's

legit. Okay. There. I mean, Australia is like the South.

Is it? Really?

Yeah. If you are down

Why? Because saying

hey, Janice from New Zealand, that's a different country.


Janet's a lovely person. Racism is strong in Australia still. Hmm. Especially if you are not just if you're non white racism is very strong in Australia still. So I mean, it is here. Don't get me wrong. It's just towards different people. Oh, wait, there is racism and racism in America. I didn't know. Your accent. Hey,

special ones get that by the way.

There's a story to go with that. But I will leave that for later.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, so like, Yeah, he's a racist packin Probably shouldn't have his food delivered. But like the food on the ground thing, maybe, cuz like, there's more things that will steal your food in Australia, but like, I don't meet people at the door, so we're gonna put it on the ground.

Well, they're probably worried about an effin snake climate in there in the six seconds that it's on the ground, but I always leave it on the ground. Where do you

want me to put it? I mean, like, I have a grill. If it's uncovered, I'll ask you others to sit it on the grill, but like, if they put it on the ground in front of the door, like so what?

Yeah, God, I don't know, if I if I saw that. I probably would bring the food back to the restaurant and be like, yeah, I can't deliver this. This guy's a piece of shit. So

there was a post on instacart page that somebody put, they were mad because their groceries were on the ground. And like boxes of like snacks and stuff, because they cash goes out of boxes. Okay, so it's a bunch of stuff on a doorstep. But it was all stuff in packages. It wasn't even like raw produce sitting on the ground. It's all in cardboard or plastic. Yeah, right.

I don't understand that.

I don't either. Well,

this guy is a piece of shit. Alright. Moving along here to run a little long, little lean, or little long, little lean. This is one of the things that I want to talk about earlier. You want me to take this? Yes, for sure. Is this a driver benefits in support of California is prop 22. This payment helps guarantee minimum wage and health care benefits for a driver. So you don't have to depend on tips. And I know it's really hard to see. But on the bottom leave of optional tip for driver. It's like zero 50 cents $1 and dollar 50. Those are the options now. So a lot of the drivers are really pissed off, because they're not getting the extra tips. But

yeah, cuz I'm sure it used to say like 123 and five, something like that.

But if you look really close, basically it's like delivery fee is 650. taxes and fees is 371. Driver driver benefits is $1 50. And then the total was 3482.

I wonder how many people now look at driver benefits. And they're like, Oh, yeah, that's already a tip.

Yeah. But I mean, what's really $1.50 gonna do like, I mean,

I don't know pools. I mean, every single order has $1 50 on it. Yeah, what? It's like insurance. Everybody pays a little and then they all get it when they need it. In theory, if it actually worked well.

Yeah, I follow a lot of I do a lot of Reddit searching and a lot of those groups saying they're getting basically every orders like $11. And I'm like, I wouldn't, that'd be great for me here. I mean, right?

Yeah, we're in California. Yeah.

What would I want the you know, the $20 B dubs order I got today? Yes, I would, that would have been great. If

you didn't miss 311 dollar orders an hour. I had a pretty good hour.

But like you said earlier if you're living in California, that not so good. Right? Um, oh, this is my article. It's an article that we'll probably share on social media, but it's basically it's a Jalopnik article. And the guy says I paid $250 to drive for Lyft last year. So it's a long article, why he says basically said that he paid to drive for Uber. And you know, he didn't make any money. But what I wanted to kind of touch on is this is the the maintenance that he says that he he does, and I read through this and I was like, Okay,

did you?

I did, I scanned it up until the maintenance part. So three tanks of gas per week. I think he drives like a really small car. That's pretty noticeable. But 14 tires he went through, I'm like, Wow, so

it should still only be four here.

Yeah, so what hold on let me

Why is it 14? Why not? 16?

Well, he probably doesn't have I'll try if so he can just replace his front ones if he needs to.

I'm trying to find the timeframe that he talked about. Also, so it's for Yeah. 2016 so as for years 14 tires, let me scroll down a little bit. Full synthetic oil changes every six to eight weeks. That makes sense. brake pads and rotors are done roughly once a year. That's actually shocking to me because I feel like I go through brake pads. Way more than

Amazon Amazon's big part of that though. Yeah, Amazon messes

up our car is beast the shit out of the car.

Plus you drive like a maniac what what

I was just about to say that.

Um, so this is where I was like, this is where three lower control arms all for stretch shocks, drop mounts and strap bellows. I've never replaced any of that shit. Like it probably needs to be done but tie rods inner and outer and I'm like,

four magnets. If you Really don't want your car to have any squeaks and you have a lot of people who plop in the backseat

I guess but like sway bar links like he in

his car in mint condition that's what he's doing

so that makes sense. Yes If you like I probably need some sway bar shit and some tie rods and all that but as far as I can tell it runs down the road fine, so

yeah, you don't want a single Creek any noises if you want it to feel like a brand new car then yeah, you have to do that stuff regularly with what we do. Yeah. Especially drunk girls. They just smash into the backseat and they can shake the whole car even if they're tiny. Well, I

guess I don't understand like, what kind of car you driving that people like getting in the back of your car is gonna ruin your shocks. I don't know.

You've seen some of the people we pick up

Yeah, he's replaced a master brake cylinder like he's replaced so much. I

bought a piece of shit car

while he bought a Chevy.

Chevy sir. But see those things?

I don't know. That's not regular maintenance.

Yeah, to me. I'm like, I fix that stuff when the ship breaks like I mean as long as the car is safe to run down the road and it's not so loud that it sounds like an earthquake when you're driving it like I think it's fine. I mean, yeah, I could probably replace all that shit too but why do it if it's not broke?

things that get really loud if you're on the highway or when you're coming to a stop probably need to be fit or anything. Yeah, if it's not a problem he has little annoying but turn your radio up.

But but he's he's also going for the wow factor, right? Yeah, he's going for you know Poor me Poor me. I didn't you know, it cost me money to drive for Livia. Were you you you brought in 80 grand or whatever?


Yeah, if you're gonna replace every single piece of equipment on your car, yeah, you ain't gonna make shit.

Yeah, but your car is going to be in great condition in 10 years for I mean, nothing I guess because like you've covered it.

How dare you say that should be

paying for your time? Yeah,

yeah, I mean he obviously did a lot of the work himself so good on him like I'm not replacing a sway bar.

Yeah, he gets to two windshields and he even after the first one didn't get insurance on his windshields well

it's kind of a click not a clickbait article. But like yesterday said he wanted to have that wow factor for the for the article. Jumping into the next ad. Jackie, at Michigan insurance and financial services. Yes, Bert and I have Jackie as an insurance agent Sam.

I actually have Jackie's phone number right now that I got from

you got from Jamie

just got off the phone.

For God's sakes if you call her please tell her you heard it from the gig economy podcast.

I've spoken to her before and she knows our association

yeah Jackie's awesome. Oh, you can call her 269-569-6127 that is her cell phone or email her Jackie at Mia Fs calm She is an independent agent meaning she can price out several different insurance companies I'm not sure what yes we're ended up with I ended up with progressive What about you? Yes for

Jackie's job No,

I'm back was safe coping. Oh


I I bought my car back in the storage next week and I will be calling her to update my policy and change it to hopefully a cheaper one

so are you you're putting in like you're just not gonna drive it at all cuz I know yet yes for like put lower my Jackie had put lower miles on the black car and he saved like a ton of dough.

Yeah, I did it last year. were no this summer. Like right after I finished my internship when I stopped driving it was when we bought the other car. I didn't drive my car for three months. Oh, and I knew I wasn't going to be driving it because we had the Ford and I didn't need to so I put it in store I got like 250 bucks back well here's a comprehensive only on it. How does that work when

you have a lien on the car though?

I don't my cars.

Oh, okay. Well, there you go.

And you can do that.

Yeah, but yeah, my the Nissan is fully paid for so I can put that into storage.

Oh my my piece of shit. black car has low miles on it. Yes, that is true.

Man, once you start driving again, you're gonna be like I'm driving this car right off a cliff. I'm Going to get a new car like America's back, baby. We're going to party screw this Mazda.

I'm gonna I'm gonna go drive a new Honda. Yeah, actually. So I'm with Safeco right now they don't they don't actually offer a rider yet. But because I'm still grounded. I figured I don't need the rider right now. And so I will be once I'm back driving I would obviously be switching back to something that that'll give me the ride.

Yeah. How does that rider work with like food delivery? I need to call her Gosh, yeah.

It's the same thing. Jason it's the whole livery, what a library, whatever it's called. Right?

As long as there's still the same coverage from the delivery company. So if doordash is providing you the same coverage that Uber is like, you're good, but if the company you're delivering for offers, you know coverage that is very different, and I think you need full commercial for that

same point. Oh,

yeah. Oh, yeah. You you very well may technically need full coverage Jewson, but Shut your mouth. All right. Don't tell me I'm doing shipped. So

let's move on. I'll just read it. Sam. It's a grub hub. Whoa. So again, grub hub right if you want some said. The instructions leave at first set of stairs. Please do not ring doorbell or please do not ring doorbell please do not knock dogs. Oh crazy. Please do not ring Bell or knock y'all. Y'all always do it. Like people work graveyards in this house asleep during this hour. Tip $0. So the title of the post is I've never been more excited to ring a doorbell in my life.

So it would pound like the police.

I pick it. So what's interesting about grubhub is you don't see the tip until you click, you're heading to deliver the food, you see what you're going to make. So he may have made 10 or $12 and grub up made up for it. But uh, but yeah, when you see that $0 and there's any obstructions in there. I'm like, yeah, I'm barely gonna get to the step before I drop the food off. So just letting you know,

and you're gonna knock the door,

I would kick the shit out of that door. So

screen doors that are really loud when you touch them.

And say that again, or you were cut off.

I have one of those screen doors that are very, very loud if you touch them, the metal ones that rattle or,

or the or the one that you pull open, you let it go and it goes. Bam. Yes, that one to tip your delivery drivers, you son of a bitch. Okay, here's what Sam talked about earlier. This is crazy. Like we won't watch the whole thing, but I just can't believe this woman did this. So basically, she goes off over an $8 tip and you can watch what happens.

What is king?

I could speak to

actually he's telling her to leave it.

I'm sorry.

I need to speak to you. I don't think you realize where they're coming from. So I need to speak to you. Where the food you ordered is coming from I don't think you realize the distance that it comes from because then you would never actually have given what you would give. So I think you can come and see face to face. Because I drew 40 minutes. I drove 40 minutes and it was extremely far and I got it too early. So I don't think you realize where you went from.

I don't understand. I didn't

you ordered some comic and you're in town.

That's a 1520 minute drive.

You try to drive it I just drove it's 40 minutes. It's 12 and a half miles.

40 minutes to go to power my

boys I want

to adjuster tip. That's an $8 tip. Okay.

I can't believe she took the food back.

Yeah, I was gonna drive 40 minutes back.

I would have lost my mind if I had been him. Oh,

he was actually like he was just flabbergasted. I kind of appreciate he didn't freak out be like whatever fob I mean, she, I hate that I hate. I feel bad for people that are named Karen. But she definitely looked like a Karen like

she gives me

you know, realize where it's coming from?

Yeah, I mean, she tried to like pussyfoot around saying, I just want more tip. boohoo instead of being direct about it, but like, Who are you, but you actually ask people for more money? No, no.

I mean, again, she's gonna lose her job because it got it went viral. But I mean, like, you make the decision. She kind of lied. And I don't know what apps or what did end up being doordash I think but it's like, you know how far it is it tell you that it tells you the miles.

I mean, I guess technically, maybe there was really bad traffic, it maybe did take 40 minutes. But But


Anything else, you contact the company and say, Hey, you need to adjust my pay for this. Yes. You know,

you'd be surprised Yes. For then.

valid reason sometimes they'll adjust

then has reached out to both companies at a time in like when they I don't know they screwed something up and they paid them now not the full rate. But they gave him like a you know, $3 for bass or something like that. I was like, man, I need to do that more if I get screwed and just see if they'll

I had one. I had one New Year's last where they screwed up. Uber screwed up some pickup from the from, how dare you they've never screwed up on the Bob. It was New Year's Eve. Right? And and they I remember it. It was like a super search. And they never paid me to search. But they did then as I counted them enough, so they did find the pony up.

Yeah, what's with instacart? If usually, they're pretty good about putting heavy pay under orders that have heavy items. But the rules are finicky about how you go. That it has to be like more than three items that are more than eight pounds or some weird rules. Yeah, it's in sometimes they miss it. So if you just call and say, hey, these couple items met the limit. I should have heavy pay. They'll throw an extra five to seven bucks out there for Oh damn, that's

pretty good. A 50 pound bag of dog food is heavy.

You're obsessed with that? 50 pound bag of dog food?

Yes, you will pay heavy pay if you ordered that through a through instacart.

All right, yes. Where you got this one this article about Uber for lawn care and snow removal launches in Grand Rapids.

Can I talk about the the rates?

Are you talking about the rates and the the the response I got back?

to do my yard in the summer and just tell my landlord who never does it? Yeah, you could.

You're gonna have to talk to your landlord about that. So the company's name is green pale. And it's a company that specializes in both lawn care. And then I think I think snow removal is probably pretty new for them. But the idea was that just before Christmas, yeah, well, not not Christmas, New Year's. Fox 17 wrote that they opened up in Grand habits, add that to the market. They are pretty big company they have in a lot of different markets. 47 states 200 different markets and has been around for a long time. But the whole idea is just like any other gig economy. Company, I guess you can now go out you can load the app, the green pal app and you can get a quote for it. Now, Jason did go ahead and request quote for green PAL and from the company that launched last year. What was the name of that?

Mo and plows?

Mo on plows. Yes, yeah. And and that company now Jason has a pretty straightforward driveway. There's nothing fancy about that. And they wanted $41 for the one that was for more on plows and green pal wanted to send him a quote for $71 to mow his lawn in the winter.

Yeah, I know it was all

well it interesting enough, the inches on there had a price like it was like zero to six inches was this price and I'm like, but then then the description was like well, I only can mow at six inches. I'm like What the I don't need mowing and then they kept sending me text messages and emailing me. I finally didn't Did the app and blocked it all? So I'm not sure went to

their website real quick and there's a separate button you had to click for snowplow quotes instead of mowing.

I did.

Well, it brought me all the way through to an email. So it wouldn't

give him an email right now.

No, it closed it. Yeah.

But I'm sure it's just I you know what, Sam, I very well could have screwed up. I very well could have screwed up. But no,

I thought about when they saw that article, I thought about getting the app called, what was he we had him on the hand app, right?

I need a hand.

I need a hand. And I was thinking that might be an extra app to go into to try and find people who could could take care of yours. No problem for you.

Yeah, they're coming soon to Grand Rapids. I think they're launching in Lansing sometime this month, month, month, and then shortly after, probably maybe by spring and Grand Rapids. So

if I hadn't just saved up to buy a snowblower like I'd be tempted.

You bought a snowboard?

I did the summer I haven't been able to use it yet.

Well, well, how am I when I went and dropped the mic off. I almost died three times like you had.

I don't do the end of the driveway. Oh.

You don't use your little sidewalk right there.

I did my sidewalk.

Yeah, I know. That's all you use the snowblower for.

You know how to mix the gas. It's electric.

Ah, okay.

But the first day we had snow it was far too wet and far too heavy. Like I just have a stage one snowblower so it can't do like anything heavy duty, which is fine. I don't have that big of a walkway.

Yeah, the wet snow is the worst for any snowboard dude. Yes.

But once we get like, good, like, nice, fluffy snow, I can snowball instead of shoveling it.

Can I ask how much you pay for

150 bucks?

I paid $150 for my snowblower 15 years ago. Yeah.

can still work. Oh, beautiful. Nice.

All right, big glass gas blower and it worked just fine.

Alright, moving on.

It's too much work.

You know honestly, the gas I agree with you. I bought an electric blower and I don't have to mix the gas anymore. And that was nice. Now I don't think

extra gas and mine. What? oil and gas.

Yo you don't have it's a it's a two stage or whatever. So you have to change the oil. Well,

I have never changed oil in it. But yeah.

Oh my god for 15 years. You're lucky No wonder your frickin cars fall apart. Hey, I

didn't do well in that one once in a while.

Shot. Oh my god, god. You're pathetic.

Here you go, Sam.

You know, I'm teasing.

Oh, yeah, like three times a year. What's the big deal?

what's probably even worse?

Well, clearly you it's lasted you 15 years and you've never changed the oil. So I get whatever you're doing. Keep doing it.

Yeah, I should probably change though.

Yeah. Okay, so this is a picture that yeah, that's Jeff picture from fake doordash order.

Do you think this is fake?

Do you think this is photoshopped? Pretty sure.

I mean, there's going to be a day where you will be able to get delivery to the moon. You

know, you don't think in our lifetime? No. Oh no. It'll be $1

picture is like a look random location on earth delivering to a location on the moon from McDonald's. Actually, for $5.75 it is 238,900 miles I'm telling

you 575 I mean, that's just that's a ball and

only one hour.

Funny God where are we at here? Oh, let's add the day and then we'll move on tie axes skirting board tax and accounting called Dave at 616-940-1045 dude Now is the time like

you get a tax accountants are gonna be real busy in about two weeks yes time

Yes, please call him now come February. I don't know if he'll have room I don't know a lot of places and don't end up going to h&r block. Please use someone that you know, they're not accountants. They're just people that had went through the training.

How to do a 1040 and that is it.

10 for easy, right. So scrolling vortex and accounting again, Dave 616-940-1045. Please, please have someone professionally do your taxes. And honestly, okay, you can youtuber tube to protect that whiskey. That whiskey is getting to me a little bit. You can do TurboTax but I mean, like, if you have an account all year round, if you have a question about like, Oh, can I write this off or whatever, like anything though, you can email them they're gonna charge you for that because you know You you paid for them at the end of the year. So,

again TurboTax you could be leaving money on the table, your account is more likely to work harder to get you the best refund possible. 100% the least amount owed possible. Yeah. Right. For sure.

And if you're anything like Jason and have like 44th w

it's gonna be ridiculous this year.

That you've never asked me to do your taxes.

Yeah, I don't think I'd ever will. I don't trust you.

That's okay.

Although she gave me cinnamon rolls the other day aside those before I got to division.

I had one God,

mind you. That is 200 feet from my house. Right? Yeah,

I mean, come on.

Alright, tip time. So I don't have a picture for this. But tonight's tip is Know what? Your failure

I know I'm not a failure. So they brought it up further legal rideshare out of Chicago will now represent you if you've been deactivated. So here's a tip if you've been deactivated, please reach out to them. Now it doesn't mean that they are going to be able to always get you reactivated but this is where it's like good god if you have a dashcam for the love of god colleague or rideshare be like listen look at I got here. I didn't do shit. Like you know what I mean? So

this search that one have a dashcam

Well, yeah, of course. You can use the link in our description for the vantrue Pro. But yeah, you can call legal rideshare and they can help you if you got deactivated like fucking Tim burns. fuck that guy. Sorry. Was that too harsh?

Great. Yeah, thank you most is that john has never met any of us and he knows who Tim burns.

Screw Barry.

I did not know he was deactivated.

Yeah, he had a post on Facebook.

Apparently. Someone said he didn't have a mask on.

And it must have been like the second or third time. Yes. Everybody gets a warning.

Right so I mean, maybe maybe you should drive this mask. Yeah, that

you think you know he wasn't driving with his mask on? I actually hate that guy y'all because he was supposed to be on the show like like he canceled 20 minutes before the show started so I have Ivan vendetta you're still

friends with someone who literally slept through your show. Instead of showing up

who Gabe cough gave was working like a gazillion hours like I yes, we gave him shit but I mean, yeah, it's different. I can't believe you just threw him under the bus.

And the thing is also is this was not the first time

Yes, this was the second time right this time he just waited for like a half hour before the show. We gave

him the benefit of the doubt. Yes. And then he does the same the next time Oh,

that guy is so dead to me. What if I if I got a jumpstart and I rolled up it was him I would like burn out of there and say fuck you. Run away laughing see a sucker. All right. This is my shenanigan it's just kind of funny the instructions I actually posted one today that you get from and this is Amazon I think maybe it's not an Amazon. I don't know it kind of looks like a whole foods but it says leave it at my daughter. Please be swift with this submission. My wife is hangry I fear that my life may actually lie in your hand. She's a hitter and I made a horrible steak mistake of not reading her mind that she was hungry. 30 minutes ago. I fear that I do not have much time. Please hurry. I don't know how much longer I can hold her off. Godspeed. I'm counting on you. I love customers like that.

Did you notice something? No. delivery is for Nicoletta



Yeah, he probably ordered with her phone right.

Or it's a female couple.

What does even matter?

It doesn't I just thought it was interesting. All right, I'm

removing you from the stream. Yes, for fun. Okay, this next one

is fantastic. saw this on my mail rack today. There's a lot of reasons why your mailman might not deliver your packages, and this is one of them. I can handle the dog. But not a dog with an axe. legit y'all

I know you're most people listen to it. This dog straight up. It's not Photoshop. He's got an effing axe in his mouth and it's like a big ass German Shepherd.

Somebody must have like left it laying next to like a pile of oil I'm sure picked it up and took off with it. Or or the dogs can be frightening enough. pending on their behavior Yeah, this is a no go for me. This is a I'm gonna crack the door open throw your package on the ground and leave.

Yes, I almost do that with all German Shepherds because they scare the shit out of me but

my actually real traits in my car so I can distract them. Dude, I use.

I used that last week again this frickin big ass. I was like, Oh, I have treats I just spent I give them to my dogs because they're really expensive. No. Here's a tip. Here's a tip for if you're delivering if you don't have dog treats just in a high pitch voice say Hi, baby, you

want a treat?

Come you Come on. Let's get a tree. And as I walk up to the house, they're like, oh, we're walking up to get a treat. And then I dropped the package. I'm like, Come on, let's get a treat. And he walks back when I get in the car. I'm like, get the fuck out of here

on the dog is gonna realize what you're doing and you're gonna get your

butt. The word is getting around is

Yeah, the doc the talk.

Talking about you.

All right. Yes, sir. This is it. This is awesome. I can't wait for you to read this. I'm sorry. I interrupted you. I

think this is a perfect way of really keeping yourself motivated,


Have you ever heard a crackhead say I have no money? I'm not going to smoke today. No. They always find a way. Are you going to get a crack head out? honest with you today?

Nice job.

That's where you have to read. It. Sounds like one of John's inspirational Monday.


I was totally thinking that that for sure. That's what it sounded like. We we need to get John's gonna be on the show. Not really soon. But like, Oh, shit, that was loud. Sorry. Coming up in like end of February or March. So

of course, probably one of the Wednesdays when I absolutely cannot make it. Oh,

you're waiting for that? No, you need to be commenting and just rip and john a new be whole. Anyways, guys, thank you so much. I'm glad we wrapped it up before 90 minutes, baby. Yes. Thank you, Sam for guest hosting. If anyone's out there that's willing and wants to guess hosts. We're always looking for new people to step in. We'll even give you a mic not give it to you. But you can use a mic to use for the show. And yeah, all that stuff even if you're out of market will take care of it. So any closing thoughts for you to any any tips for the newbies? Nope,


Not really.

I just want to get back driving.

Yes, for sure.

I mean, I guess I I don't think I'm ever gonna drive again.

I know. Sam is gonna be having her big boy big girl degree and she's not gonna have to do it. Maybe just on the weekends for fun. Yeah,

I mean, I'll definitely still work like one day a week to save up for a down payment on a house but I don't know that it'll be Uber. Like close. Nice ship Sundays. Like I had this last weekend and I made 250 bucks in six hours. Damn.

I miss my therapy hours. That's what I miss.

Yes, where you can call me and I can act drunk on the phone.

If that talk to you.

You want to talk to young girl?

All right. All the people all the young girls, people with the short skirts that are drunk,

all the people.

Alright, we're out of here. Thank you. Stay safe.

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I know this is long winded and I apologize, but I appreciate everyone and enjoy the show. Hi guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. This fine beautiful evening. This studio is sponsored by Irvine's auto repair and Grand Rapids hybrid. And we will talk to them talk about them a little bit later but we do have a new sponsor tonight we'll get to in a little bit and we're super excited about that. If you've looked in the rundown you probably already know who it is, but we'll talk about them in a little bit. It's gonna be cool got Jesper and P and Sam in tonight so Well, you're pointing up when you say yes, but you look down. I already pointed to you. I said yes for me insane or whatever. He's already pitching me. Yeah. It's been like 30 seconds. So we're already arguing. Like, that's good. Hey, if you guys could share this the stream we'd love you to watch on YouTube, if you can subscribe, like, hit the bell for notification to let you know each time we go live. And then of course, you can share the Facebook stream that would be great. Also, to get all the information about our site, or our business or whatever you want the hell you want to call it. You want to go to the gig economy, hyphen, podcast, calm, gig economy hyphen pad, podcast calm. Apparently, at some point I said slash or something and I was confused. Yeah, yep. It's a hyphen. So it's gig economy. difficult. Well, you know one here, the only time get the geek army podcast, without the hive in the cage like thousands of dollars No it was it we offered like we offered 100 bucks that lady said she said she said no so she kept it si si te partners who is that? That is Chris. Chris says the cats suck Chris crispo yard rocks yes yes silverfox sorry so story since last podcast I actually did drive so I'm just going to say that I beat yes burrs ass and he wind like well maybe in time Okay, okay maybe so that night in the wind that much. Yes you did but then the next day I got all my tips. I was good. Yeah, so honestly after you being out for like 25 minutes I just stopped listening to tell him I'm not gonna lie. So I talked to yesterday and I said, Hey, yes sir. I'm gonna post all the audio of you whining and you said you better not and then he was like Then he got like dead serious like he was like No, do not post that. I was like Oh, do it. I wasn't going to didn't whine a lot. No with you. So that night I ran grubhub and Uber but did all grubhub and with grubhub it shows you the price up front tip price included. So at the end of the night, I knew exactly how much I made. And yes for was out maybe two hours more than me. Well, I was out a total of three hours and 14 minutes. And I made you were out longer than that you went out at like 515 and we're done at nine, three hours and 14 minutes was about the episode. Okay. And I made just shy of $50 while I was out there, but then I did make an additional $27 on tip next day, so that's not bad then No, it was okay. On average about $20 an hour so it was fine. I mean, you would thought that you know he was making a weekend night too, right? Friday night I thought he wind like he was making like three cents an hour like this sucks. I'm never doing this again. This is just an experiment. I mean, those three hours you've done food delivery ever in your life. Hey, I've done I did four deliveries before that for you. We're doing Uber Eats, right? Yeah, that's all. I feel like Uber Eats is very, like, hit or miss. Yeah. Either you do well, or you just don't. Because the two options Well, it could be like middle of the ground. So this is our last week, right? But that is a good a good thing to bring up about the good or bad. You know, I told yesterday He's like, yeah, did this McDonald's order. I'm like, oh, problem, one problem. Why did Donald's order go the Michigan one did you know Okay, I'll never in a million years. So my tip for any new drivers out there is. Don't go to fast food restaurants, the lower end fast food restaurants. You're not getting You'd really think someone's going to tip you 810 bucks for order from McDonald's. It's not gonna happen. I never got a tip from that but it was of course it didn't it was only about 10 minutes It took me to do that right. So there was that right boy Really? I lost most of my time was panda out on 20th Street. Okay, they were just being idiots. They had closed the dining room. For some reason they had a sign on the door dining was closed and everybody had to go through the drive thru. So that took about 40 minutes Yeah, I would I interject a little bit. I think any fast food restaurant they've kind of gone on the way if they have a drive thru, they closed their lobby. No, but the panda didn't do that. Normally. Normally you go inside and get the food man. They had a door note on the doors. How do you know that you only been out one time because they they had a note on the door. Oh, that said we usually have it open but we're close tonight. They say today the diner was closed because a special circumstance. Okay. Well, then you definitely clarify. Thank you. Yeah, I didn't hear that. But yes, a lot of Slow, fast food places they're just not keep opening dining rooms, right, even for delivery drivers, which is a bummer, because if you got to take a leak or whatever, you know, right, that's probably actually part of the point is they don't have to pester you. As Chris said that he made $131 in four hours Monday night. Well, that says from food delivery. Oh, sure. mitali does. It was a joke. Oh, yeah, he did well, on the olio. Anyone here? I wasn't a funny joke. But last night okay. So is that all you missed me? All your recap for your driving? Can you give any other insight? I mean, especially for someone that doesn't do it, right. This is all brand new for me. Yeah. And so yeah, I think the biggest thing was just I mean, I think it was pretty much it, you know, make I mean, I brought up brought a hot bag out and, you know, use that and yeah, yeah, it was. It was It wasn't bad It wasn't as horrible as you thought it was you were like standing firm that you are not going to do food delivery. What do I mean? Yes, I was and and food delivery only does the money it gives me the money part. Yeah, cover the other part. That's why I'm driving. Yeah, right. I like I like the conversations and stuff I do. It doesn't do that for me. If you're fortunate, my God, I've been on mute you, but I'm gonna say no, you're saying you're missing the companionship. So is missing that part of riders? Exactly right. And so that's why it's really not that interesting to me. Yeah, but it was fine. What I did get though, was the ability to go out and being on the road with everybody else. Yeah. And so I got that companionship back, even though I was apparently bitching all the time. So sorry. Clearly, Sam, stop listening. problem but definitely It was good to be back on the group. Because, I mean, I can listen in the group from home but it's just not as fun. It's not the same. It's not the same if you're not out You got me swearing You can't let you got can't listen on the speaker around your kids. It's just, it's just one of those things. So, my girl says, is that the guy who swears all the time? Well, Did I ever tell you what Ben's kids said? He they said something like that, but they're like, how do you know Jason? Oh, he says the F word a lot. I was like I felt really bad. I was like, that's how your kids know. I gotta work on that. But Judah is he knows to leave the room out there is not gonna leave the room. Well, at least most of what I send that's bad is like imagery. Yeah, no windows like yeah, I had that happen on a messenger group that I ended up having to mute the messenger group because it popped up on my phone. I mean, it was not just It was more than racy. It was like an A and I was like, my kid, like my daughter was like right next to me. I'm like, okay, because when you move the messenger it just doesn't pop up. You have to physically go in there to look at it, but I was like, That was That was close. Yeah. Apparently Dennis says we're stupid. So I don't know what he's. See. I don't have any comments either. Yeah, I don't know what you're getting it. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not seeing no idea. Maybe he blocked us all. That could be it could be so Sam, tell me your Big B story is nothing special. I just I went through baby to get a criminal episode or the other day. I like handed the girl my card. She stuck with the machine and she said to me, do you want to leave a tip today? No. Oh, you ask for tips. Yeah. Do I get to be you know, working or even now. I mean, hey, you're not tip wage. No, you get paid minimum or you don't Like if I had wanted to I would have said hey put a tip on there it is. I did wow that is pretty yeah sketch city which one was that? The one on Alpine Well there you go Alpine should just be burned to the ground it should I fully agree with that Meyer is often busy so I do I ship you know, I've done a lot of shipped out of there too. I don't like the store at all. I don't know the layout of it. But so I feel so the ship shop but we talked to actually they said that the Meijer store is one of the biggest ship stores. Alpine one. Sorry, Alpine. Yeah, I believe that it there's always orders there. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's got one of the biggest apartment complexes in the county shot your Creek over there. So which thankfully I have not delivered to. No, I wouldn't. That was that that was a drop. I gotta say about that one, by the way since my last order last Friday. It just made me so angry. Because I picked up at Applebee's on Alpine. Yeah, I know. It's the final one. But I could not find a stupid, the stupid house number. It just got the house number. Oh, it just got dark. Was it at your Creek? No, but it was a small apartment complex behind your Creek. And it's it's more it's more houses or it's rows or houses everybody lamoreaux Yeah. And you could I could not see this. I walked around for 15 minutes trying to find this stupid guy to call them. I yeah, but nobody picked up. We walked around for 15 minutes. Why don't I drove around trying to find the right number and it was just, it was just all BS. Why don't people effing pick up their phone when they're expecting food? I don't know frustrating when I spent an hour shopping for someone at my air to get almost the checkout line for them to send me 15 text messages of all the things they want to change and I feel like that I've been here an hour. But it's happening. Do you think sometimes they come out because they come at that point because the delayed signal? I think it will the problem is those texts get routed. Through like shipped or whatever, so I feel like if they all come pretty rapid, I feel like it's delayed. It could be but some people just don't answer you until you're done. Yeah, I when I was I was too late. If when I was doing shift if I, if I was in line and I was trapped in line like you're trapped in a drive, there's too late, too late. I text him I say I'm sorry, it just I can't do it. Yeah. So no, I agree. That's what once I'm, there's someone behind me and I can't just step out. No, of course not. Yeah, not good. Well, I agree. It's a little distasteful for the for the tip thing is, especially in a non tipping. Yeah. stablishment No, I mean, I know like all coffee shops have tip jars, but I've never put money in them. I do if I have cash. And I mean, if it's like, loose change, I'll throw it in there. I guess like if my coffee was 475 and I paid with a five like I'd throw the quarter in there. Yeah, I mean, I'm not but I don't go out of my way to do that. Yeah. And I almost always use that can happen. To pay so it's not a right thing. Real quick again, of course, please, please subscribe to the thanks, Isaiah to the YouTube channel, we would greatly appreciate it. And then of course, our telegram if you look in the chat, or actually the description of the Facebook page, you will see a link for telegram which you can connect with us like yesterday I was talking about, you know, not having to put it on mute because he was a big boy and out of the house. When Jason says the F word he doesn't have to worry about it's easy when there's nobody in the car. That's the benefit of only delivering food. They don't care what you say, yeah, you can play telegram whenever you want. That is nice. I mean, it is a good change. I agree with you. I missed the interaction. But I would like to, I would like both. I would like a little bit of rides. And then I'm like, you know what, I'm done with this. I'm doing food. Uber came back 100% full force like it was before this. I would still do some shifts during the day. It's especially just for something different. Yeah. While I was doing it today Just to get some exercise because I'm like stuck in this car doing rideshare for six eight hours sometimes you just get those you know magic orders almost make bank Oh yeah. The other day when I made 100 bucks in less than three hours, bro I had a $10 promo a $20 promo Yeah. And I had a $50 order from Costco. So between those things like I made 100 bucks in just under three hours that's like okay, I'm going home for the day like I called it how it's done. Yeah, very good. All right, we're gonna jump into our new sponsor it is oil. Oil Luber, I Luber let's turn that down a little bit. So we're super excited. So basically, what oil Luber is is a on demand. oil changes. That's basically what it is, is the Uber of oil changes. So in the description, there'll be a link you can go to oil, Uber And then there's also an ambassador link where you can get paid 10% for each person that signs up and gets an oil change. So let's say synthetic is $90, you'll get nine bucks. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, they are definitely looking to get their followers on Facebook up. So if you could go to their page, yep. Just search oil, oil lubricants. I'm having trouble with that word. We had a change of how we said it. We have to talk to Brian about that. But if you go to their Facebook page, just please follow them. What am I missing? No, that's about it. That's about it. And then of course, sign up for that services. I mean, yeah, absolutely. You know, it's just the price point is very, very close to for the for the expensive stuff. Very close to what you will do in at any other regular play. Yes. And they come to you. It's brilliant. They will come to you. They will no contact. No Contact tech will come to you and he'll change your oil and it'll be cool. He will win. The frickin logo I don't know what the hell happened yeah I do like the idea of being able to just be sitting at home watching TV and have someone outside watching my oil and in particularly when you're done driving you don't want to spend any more time driving that right that's why I get my groceries delivered I crushes shop all day grocery shop 40 hours a week mostly yes sorry about that Brian I don't know what happened is a low they happen to the low I was I set it up all last night I went to and it was gone so so I'll get that fit. But everybody guys go to oil sign up for a phone and look them up on Facebook or sign up become the one to go follow them on Facebook. Yeah, follow him on Facebook and become an ambassador if you want. Yeah, the ambassador is where you get the the 10% off. So you basically create your own you get your own code, and you share it with your friends and family and all that and each time they get an oil change. You get money you get 10% Yeah, by the way, there's another way to make money from them is for you can be attack I mean they're looking for texts in the area these these guys are out of Ann Arbor so they're they're local to Michigan company. So um yeah, you can sign up to be a tech and you can make money that way too and they're looking for texts they go through pretty rigorous training to become a tech but yeah it's all part of it. Yeah and they're working on expanding to jump services yep jump yeah and it's all what what's cool about it is you basically you get the order you know and you're like, Okay, I got an order you go to AutoZone it's all ready to go all you do is pick up the items. You go to the customer the customer already has the hood popped, they change the oil clean it all up, close it and close it out like you don't talk to anybody. You don't do anything. You do it right where they're at. So yeah, I think it's great and you paid you paid right away using stripe. Yep. So use the same thing that then when you have set here The moment you accept the order, and then you're done till you're done and you get paid. Yeah, that's nice. Nice instant. cashed out. Yeah, so yeah, check them out oil and then the link for the ambassador is in the description too. So we're really excited to have them out for a couple of months. We talk about it all the time you want to not put all your eggs in one basket This is definitely if you feel like you know how to change an oil and no one's heads and tails in a car. I shouldn't be doing it because I don't do that. But if you just do a little bit then get go out and add this as one of the things that you're doing in the gig. If you see Uber and he's gonna change your oil. Ron cancel, deny Uber yes or yes. Oh, yes. Sorry. One of the cool things I just thought of some I know we were spending a lot of time on it because they're new but once you have a tech that you like, you can favorite them Yep. So it's a great feature that Rio other gig services so basically, you're like, hey, I need an oil change. Oh, I've had Yes, do this before I've had Pete. I'm gonna go with yes for this time or whatever. You know, no, he has to. So go with me. At least one of us really should be competent. change our oil. I know how to do it. I change it on my own in the summer. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've done it once in my life. I will never change my oil again. I've never been under a car. Well, we can fix that. No, no, we cannot. And I was coming up with a joke, but you like jumped right in? No, you're fine. Yeah, I'm just impressed that you came up with it. I mean, that quickly, as English is your second language. But uh, oh, gosh, I lost my train of thought. Oh, the jump sir thing. How great would that be? Right? Like, you're not like you said you can do? Just jumpstarts are just oil change. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. So you're driving around, you buy one of those really badass jumpstarters and someone needs to jump and you're like, Okay, this is still, just to let you know, these guys are new. They're working through things too. They're, they're, I mean, they're up and running. But they're startup. They're a startup. They don't have an app yet. So it is still web based. So they're they're still working through some stuff, but we're pretty confident in The concept is definitely strong. I know I can't believe like, why have I not heard this more? Because I always tell. You know, when I get my oil change, I'm like, I'm a bitch. Like, I gotta take time out of my day. And especially since the prices are competitive, you know, it's like, why would I even not have someone else do it? Right? Right. So the biggest thing is you don't have to go anywhere, right? Yeah, yeah. The only one trying to upsell you. $100 worth of products. Yeah. Don't you like this air filter for $75? Yeah, yeah, that's a store for $3 Yeah. And yeah, yeah, it's $72 labor. Yeah. I did the map. Very good. Okay, yeah, no, so let's mark Mark's comments are so funny. The company's called oil Luber but I don't think they're doing jumpstarts No, they're not Yeah, caught retests car disease. Ouch. Yeah, that that disease went out for like three months. Like hey PG get new battery yet. Alright, so Is it all settled now? Finally? Of course no, no, it lives in my garage. A trickle charger when I'm not driving fill my cash. You're such a hillbilly. I'm getting rid of it though so he's got a full time job. I mean, he's just slinging cash you know what I mean? Living the dream stand at home. Yeah. Only guys okay, we I got to say this and move on. Maybe I taught before but Pete was like at the picnic. He was like, Oh my gosh, this is longest I bet outside all summer and sweet Jesus. Like I was out today for eight hours. I have you know that I did go tubing. Yes. It's a good thing. We can go. Right. How was that? It was good. I used SPF 100 except in a couple spot. Yeah, I got a yellow drone. Keep an eye kill those lights. Keep flickering. They're really bad today. Hey, so those lights have been here since we started the podcast in 2017. Why would I turn the lights off? We can't you it'll get dark in here. They flicker today. They flicker every single day that just pants and I'm sorry. You're mad. I hate to antagonize but I actually do feel that they are worse than normal. They've distracted me three times. I know that's nice. But I'm not saying hey, when Papa John's sponsors of the show you can jump this place and get our get a real studio. Get a real studio studio a big boy. All right, can we go I mean, we're 25 minutes and we have taught zero gig stuff but how nubra is good. We need to talk Oh, yeah, then that Yeah, well, we're so yes. Okay. First up is picture you'll see on your screen doordash customer slams terrible delivery over batch food order so it's okay hopefully this doesn't play audio cuz I already had it muted. You know what I like about Chrome when you mute it. Once it stays muted. You don't have to go back. So doordash user a string controversy where they're terrible delivery experience the customer running out of the username jafer. org share their negative experience on Reddit. Their post show, allegedly what happened when they tried to order Wendy's the food never made. through the door according to his post a doordash driver mark, the order is completed, that's charging with the food then sent along the following photo. So what happened is he marked it as delivered and didn't cancel it. So my guess is an inexperienced driver, he admitted he dropped it. It wasn't like he was trying to be shady. But this is just kind of an example of like, I probably wouldn't send a picture that if I dropped the food to the customer, I would just reach out to doordash and say, Hey, I messed up. What do you want me to do? like can you cancel it? Can you refund the money? And he did get his money refunded and that's one thing I've experienced with doordash at least with doordash is their customer service. Of course we hate it because customers always right. They give you refund like you don't have to say a thing. I'm not encouraging people just to lie, of course, but I'm gonna refund to doordash Yeah, if they mess Ober eats, okay, if they mess up there, they will. They'll say yep, here's, here's a. I guess it cracks me up about Luber eats is like if most of your orders could put One item is wrong, they will refund you. So one item, you know your that doordash does that too. They? Which is fair. Like if if you're only complaining about one item, you shouldn't get your whole meal for it. Yeah, no, it's just something was missing. So they should find the one item was like, okay, that's perfect. Yeah, I made a complaint. They didn't do anything for me. Oh, well, did you do it through the app? Or did you call through the app? Oh, I have. I've always sent to the app and I've got every minute. Now. What's it? What is it? telephone? I mean, sometimes it's the only way to go. I have a sex machine and app machine here but I don't know about phone calls. Yeah. Yeah. Someone calls me I'm like, Are you an asshole unless I'm unless I'm being diamond bitch and I need to talk to somebody about getting the problem fixed. No, you won't. You'll tweet them. That's my wife calls the phone rings. I my stomach drops a little bit because we literally use telegram to communicate like all our voice messages through telegram who's dead quiet. Yeah, like when it's called. I'm like, okay, the kid needs to be picked up like ASAP or someone's sick. Someone threw up. I don't know. Anyways, all right, yes, yes, Burr is going to talk about the franchise like model which we kind of brushed on we, the last time we hit that on it today because we you know, we talked about it, we didn't have it. Okay, so we talked about it. And then what's I mean, the reason for the article is, so the headline is, hang on, hang on here. Uber and Lyft consider franchise like modeling California and of course it's all it's all about the 8042 a b 40. Law out of Chicago. It's prop 22 vote no, yeah. 85 and prop 22 was that say at 40? Yeah, I think that's a bad thing and a Ub 40. Why? Okay, whatever is the California law right. And, and what ended up happening we know that no, no end up happening. We know that now is they ended up being able to stay because one of the judges gave them a give them an out basically saying yeah, so I thought that was supposed to be like a five day stay and then is it now gone to the voting on November 2 is that will believe so? Yeah. Okay. So yeah, yeah, but again, so basically this all this whole article is about how Uber and Lyft is considering doing going into the actual franchise models but mainly for, for people with multiple cars so that that's the whole like it's for for bigger companies. An option one option that both companies are seriously discussing is licensing their brands to operators of vehicle fleets in California. According to three people knauss the plans to change would assemble an independently operated franchise, allowing Uber and Lyft to keep an arm's length association with drivers. So the companies would not need to employ them and pay their benefits. So that's kind of at that point, the employee the the people or the drivers would be employees of The fleet companies right, and wouldn't have anything to do when left. Yeah, so then the fleet company can pay the benefits if they want to, or whatever they want. Exactly right. So then it would all kind of move move the needle a little bit further away. And what what I thought was interesting in this article was that fact that both Uber and Lyft in other countries are already using those mines. Oh, really? Yeah. So that's the thing So lift I believe it says lift in Europe in some European countries, companies do countries is doing it. And Uber as well in some of the some of the other doesn't mention what companies are. So they're very used to the model and they have a very bad memory No, the law the model. I feel like it would be useful if it was maybe not don't don't kill me on this like a second World country like what do we call like a lower income country that maybe the country well, not third world I don't think there's over a third world. But I'm saying maybe if they couldn't own a car that that franchise fleet model would work more within America, everyone. Even everyone's got a car. It'd be interesting to see how those work because I feel like here the risk you would have to assume owning your own franchise for Uber or Lyft. Yeah. Because you have to do all your surance but that's only when they're not on the app though. Like kazoo we're still gonna cover that if they're that franchise. I think they're gonna that's gonna be on the show franchising insurance. Yep. Keith said developing countries. Thank you, Keith. Yeah, he's always in this thing in a pinch Keith. Like I got this. So I'm almost surprised that it does work. I guess in other countries. There's a lot more requirements for what a business is required to offer their employees than there is here. So I can't why we're in lift want to push it off. They don't want to offer insurance or Yeah, like that, which in some places is like this law regardless of the situation, but um, You know, one thing that I have often thought about that I think it's interesting and why Uber and Lyft has not offered, why they don't they should be so easy to branch out and make a taxi service and offer it up to taxi companies. They do. They do Uber taxi is a thing. No I know but not Uber I mean, Uber taxi Okay, so that their own own servers maybe. But are you telling me that Uber has that it's a taxi companies can use Uber as a platform for themselves to get rides as a taxi company? It's like a franchise Masek? Basically I did not know that. Okay. It's in a very big cities. We're not ever gonna see it here. But Uber taxi is a very real thing. The other one right, where you just pick up random people, right? I mean, so here, we'll be seeing you trying to think of the name of it. We don't have it here, but pick up random people when you pick up people on a route. Oh, no, no, no, let's do a taxi service and the calls just go into them. And then you get the full benefits of a taxi service. So like more elderly people may use it for like errand running, because you can still do that. Whereas with a regular Uber, you're gonna get left at the store. So if you're a jerk, now, if you're any one of us, you will get left at the store. I mean, you know, in our markets I have often I mean, I know we've all seen them right. caps who also have an Uber phone. Tell me Oh, yeah, you can see them running over. Absolutely. The individually own taxi cabs here locally. Yeah. When they are driving, they have the Uber and Lyft going it's just the to the tech. I rarely see a taxi like do they own their own cars. Some some of them do. Actually against the terms of service for Uber, I'm sure it is because it's a marked car. Yeah, no, yeah, you're right. You're right. You can't You can't drive in a month. It's against the terms of service for for Holland city of Holland was finding that one girl because she was using her vehicle as a taxi service. Oh, like last last hour? Yeah, what happened to her? I see. I can't remember her name. Cindy. Cindy. Yeah. Cindy? Yeah. Really? She got in trouble. I don't know. I don't. I'm not everybody in our group. This was somebody that I that I like I read something in like a news article. And she was she got in trouble for the city of Holland. Probably was heard though, because she she did have her own company with her husband and they did like off app rides. You just called them and they'd come get you from the bar. Well, they're stupid because they named their comfort. They said Uber like was it Uber? Lyft like Or something like right made West Michigan rideshare something like that. Yeah, but I swear they were you. Oh, maybe they were using the logo. Yeah. logo or something like that there. Yeah, they're advertising like an Uber left. We're doing everything off app which Yeah, yeah. So Miguel says from YouTube says she was operating a taxi company without a license. Yeah. So yeah, cuz the Uber pays the license for Can you imagine how maddening it must be as a Uber administrator not I don't know what role that would be have to go to each city. Like I have to go to Holland. I have to buy a license for how and just this little dinky city that I'm gonna make like six bucks from I mean, I'm sure it's mostly done for we can we can start the podcast now Larry just tuned in. Oh, boy. I'm so mad at him because he missed the picnic. Oh, man have already prioritized his children. Children. They're just money suckers. All right. Yeah, that you see that meme I shared earlier. No. Putting the baby back. Oh yeah I almost commented. Thank you crystal. Alright, so this one is I should have figured out my microphone a bit better before you need to read your screen What do ya need like a big monitor like that? I know right? Hey can we button up line line item that I think he might strangle you? Which one? Yes. So I this is a COVID-19 verification scam. So I just wanted to share this with Everyone gather some insight on this. I'm also very interested to see if anyone else has experienced this I'm 100% sure that's a scam Uber support would never kind of diary about suppose verification on like account. The premise of a passenger here's the full story. So I was working pretty late tonight past midnight and I got a ping from Pax. Rachel was her name. Got the location. she messaged me. ring me, she said figured she had some strange circumstance. She didn't tell me so I called her a mailman to the phone and explained that he is Uber support and This is not a real passenger then because of COVID-19. A lot of drivers have been laying their friends and family use the app. And it's been happening pretty frequently in my particular area or Katy a Phoenix. You went on the state of my rating, my number of rides, my years of Uber and some other information which are all visible on my profile to the packs. He then stated the My Account was locked and he had to verify my phone number to get it unlocked. Which is when I realized it was bullshit. Someone could use my phone number as security info to gain access to my account, and presumably dump my earnings into a different bank account. After the guy asked me for my phone number I hung up. Number one, my account was not locked in anyways, I had been doing daily nonstop rides for the past seven hours. Number to over support, not contact me through the front of a packs when their support contacts me through the app. It says right there. Uber support. Yeah, and well, my next story is about kind of what happened. Yeah, it's not really specific COVID-19 scam. Right? Just a scam that they use COVID going on for a long time to get Yeah, we used we used to have those back from a driving do. Yeah. So I'll just jump into mine and then we'll kind of talk about the whole thing this guy talked about an instant pay it said someone did instant pay for me stole my money. Be careful guys. And it shows he lost $710 and two cents. So I actually went this was earlier in the week that I shared this and I actually went back and looked at the comments. And basically just kind of the same they called this guy didn't really realize, as I was reading the comments him responding. English is his second language. So that already is trouble for him because I mean, just socks like if you don't understand what everyone is saying you might miss a word and be like, you know, while you're Yeah, I mean that we joke about that, but it's it's pretty close. You can speak both, but I've had that happen to me. What the call the call. Yeah, and I feel like more They were they were like,

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I'll take it you take it, take it alright. So yeah, we're gonna have just a kind of a different rundown tonight. Marissa is going to kind of give us I don't know some tips about shipped. We've talked about in the past, but it's always good to have somebody on here. Since I feel like shipped is blowing up just due to the fact that with a pandemic, in those things, there's a lot of ship shopping going on.

Here, there's a recent change also. Yeah. The rules a little bit. Yeah,

a lot. Actually, that's changed since your last ship shoppers, all

right. And there's some some sort of like, pandemic going on there make it because I don't know, I haven't

touched on that a little. But if you could do me a favor, you can share the show in any groups or anybody that might be interested in, we really appreciate it. A couple of things, there is some links in the chat, we've got a bunch of stuff. So for 2020 last year, we did a weight loss competition. And we're going to do that again this year. It's gonna be a little different though. It's through an app called diet bet. You bet $35, that you lose 4% of your weight. If you do that, you get your 35 bucks back and everyone who doesn't do it, they the people that did do it gets to split their money. So it's easier. I don't have to deal with it and collect all the way ends. And

you didn't do it last year, either Sam or you're

not here. So yeah, we'd love for you to join us. It's just for one month just in January wins December 31. So yeah, if you could go ahead and sign up for that. That would be great. And then we actually finally got merged out just in time for Christmas. If you go to the gig economy, podcast, hyphen, Doc, no. Good economy. merge and click on merge, you can buy a shirt redbubble always has discounts. So pay attention to that sometimes 2030 40% off and we don't

know how quick Did you order them to have them by Christmas? So you're gonna have to look that up.

Yeah, that's that's not on us. That's not that's what i doing any shipping. So, um, okay, so what we typically do before we jump into the articles is stories since last podcast now. Yes, PR is not working.

Well. I have no story.

You have no stories. And and I don't know about Miguel. If you have anything that's happened recently. No, I

haven't been driving at all.

Well, you haven't. You haven't dropped passengers. Right.

I've been doing Ober eats.

Okay. How's that? How's that been going? Are you just doing Uber Eats?

Yeah, it's been pretty slow. Yeah. Like, I don't know. People aren't buying any food or there's more drivers. How? Who knows?

I think there's more drivers. Are you just focusing in Holland? Are you actually doing it in Grand Rapids? Mainly Holland right

now. So yeah, I'm staying in Collin. Okay. probably less drivers out there. Anyways, it is not a good not a bad idea. Right now. Hey.

Do you have it? Yes.

gave away a tip. Okay.

So, Marissa, what about you? Any anything that stands out before we get into your your main section later on? Yeah,

I witnessed a fight about masks. Oh, I'm there while I was shopping. There was a woman who was not wearing a mask. And I think they were already fighting about it in the store. Because I caught them in the parking lot. And the woman like there was a guy who I think was yelling at her for not wearing a mask. And she hit his car Doughboy. Like with her hand? She like hit the back of his car and he like jumped out and was like screaming at her. I like walked right

through in the middle of them. I

was like, okay,

so yeah,

yeah, yeah,

we're outside now. It's like doesn't even matter. You guys are

Yeah. Oh, man. I i've surprisingly haven't seen anything.

I've seen three.

Really? Man. When I when I go into the gas station, though. It just there's always somebody that's not wearing

a gas station.

I don't know. I don't say anything. I'm just like, whatever.

What have half the time the attendant isn't wearing the mask right either?

Forget it. Yes.

Forget it. I had a few things. Uber stupid. They two weeks ago ran me ran a background check and they decided to run another one. And I haven't been able to do Uber for like three or four days and it was supposed to clear today and I don't know why.

I just was wondering I still didn't clear today said it was supposed to

Yeah, I checked tonight. They keep sending me their support email like hey, how do you rate your support service? I'm like, I'm not rating you until I get back on the platform. Yeah, for sure.

I'm just I don't know why it took so long for support to respond to my email, you know,

wow. Yeah, they take what your job what your email what email?

It was that bad, bad joke or


So, so I'm not doing Uber right now.

So you got

Uber. So I'm not doing Uber right now. But one thing I did do a flex route the other day, and I delivered to this lady, it was pretty nice house out in new nica. And I get up there and two heavy boxes this fine. I'm like, whatever. It's, I was like, Oh, she was actually outside. She's like, oh, here, take a little gift card for Christmas. And I'm like, Oh, sweet. Thanks. So I left it in my car for two days, I didn't really think about it. And then I grabbed it. And there's Amazon and put the code and it was 20 bucks. Wow. I know, I couldn't believe it was 20 bucks. I'm like, that's awesome. That is so nice. And I noticed on Facebook yesterday that someone else was talking about it. So she's given them white light GaNS here in a week.

Wow. I couldn't. It is nice, though, that they use this time of the year to kind of just acknowledge the the people who are and servicing so

yeah, we I run into and I'm sure Marissa does too. But like people have like little snacks outside. Yeah, I got a Snickers like two days ago. Like I need it, trying to, you know, fatten up before the diet. But

you guys have a weird about stuff like that.

Meaning about,

about whether or not it's safe. You know, that's I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm just literally xe asking. I mean, I know they all individually wrapped or whatever, and all that stuff. But I mean, I don't know.

I've never thought twice about taking


No, I won't write in that basket. I'm like, Snickers Yeah. I every year I say to my wife. I'm like, we should do that. I mean, yeah, we never do. Anyways, and then real quick, we probably won't talk about it later. But anyone that does amazon flex head that has requested the Amazon rewards card, they have a debit card now. It is super buggy. I just want to throw that out there that it's super buggy. And I wasn't able to transfer money from my debit card back to my bank. So I actually shut the direct deposit off. So just wanted to throw that out there if if you? Definitely, I mean, it's a good deal because you get percentage back on gas and food and all that other stuff. So the gallon, Marisa, if you hear those weird sounds, those are people liking the stream and stuff. I know. Miguel knows. Know, Miguel. And the noises you hear are actually the Uber pink sound for drivers. And then there's a Lyft one too. I can't remember which one triggers that one. So just wanted to throw that

out there. It's just remit those noises. We haven't heard him so long. Yeah,

exactly. Did I talk about I talked about diabet. Didn't I

emerged? Okay. Yep.

Okay. Um, yeah, I just want to thank our Patreon members, too. We really appreciate it. So. So David, what is Patreon again? If you go to, and, boy, I'm gonna have to edit these out and post. Wow. It gets distracting. It's funny, Marissa, but when I first did it, people were so confused. They're like, wait, who's got their phone on? Because that's what it sounds like when you get a ride. Yeah, so this is amazing. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, if you go to and search the gig economy podcast, that's where we, you can join us to support us. You get an extra podcast a month. Usually we interview somebody that's got like a new app coming out. We just recently released on an app called lender that's not an app yet, but a gig called lender, you can check that out. It's actually in the Facebook description, the last episode, and then you get a piece of merge. And what else do you get? Oh, before the show banter, and yada yada yada, so

yep. And we actually have our furthers the way Patreon is from New Zealand so we shipped it to her So absolutely, we will go ahead and do that.

Yeah, Janet, kind of how long it took. I know, you'd think it was only like 21 days.

It wasn't too long. No, it wasn't too long.

Yeah, I shipped it from like, like cheap. It was like 12 bucks to ship this hat. And it was like 21 days so

so yep, no, it's it's it's pretty cool. Yes, please, please join us. Help us.

Right. We would appreciate it. Alrighty, let me see. Oh, that's not the right one. Here we go. Before we jump into a gig economy news, I want to talk about Irvine's auto repair and Grand Rapids hybrid called mF at 532 6600. Or go to Irvine comm to schedule online. Everything's COVID safe You don't even have to see him. I mean, you want to see him back into Jamie are amazing. But they're one of the best auto repair places in the country. Now they will say and I will tell you they are not the cheapest, but they are the best and they will fix it right the first time. If you look at the screen there, Google reveals like 4.7 out of five a 276 reviews so They're amazing. We love them. They've been a supporter for over a year from of our podcast. So five, three to 6600 or Irvine's dot com to schedule. Alright, so let's get back to it. Oh shit. Yes, guess what?

I don't know what?

I didn't read my article.

Oh my gosh.

I read that one. No. So we can just talk about it Uber asked us CDC to consider ride hailing drivers essential for COVID-19 vaccine just distribution. Oh, please don't play this video. Please don't play this video. Oh, I played it. What do you guys think? Yeah. What do you guys think about that? Do you think Uber drivers should be offered the vaccine like frontline workers?

Well, first of all, would you guys take the vaccine?

No, no, no.

I think I think it just is a hot topic right now. So um,

so Okay. I don't know, I guess you full time worker. And yeah, maybe that should be considered to get the bad thing. I mean, they they move a lot of people through the day like, can be? Well, I guess. Yeah, I

guess it depends on who else they're including? Like, are they including grocery store workers and gas station? People? Like, are they including everybody who was essential in the beginning? Or was Uber essential? back in April?

Yes. I mean, what? Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you have to add like bus drivers. And like you said, grocery store workers, I might see if they do it in separate waves, like, you know, maybe like the, the medical staff first. And then maybe like, grocery store workers and Uber drivers and bus drivers and those kind of things. But

like people who are for sure being exposed people who are 90% being exposed. Yeah.

The other side of it, though, is we all servicing people who are out on the front line every day. So it makes sense. It makes sense that that we get it right. I would I would take it absolutely in a heartbeat if we were to get it offered. Just because why not? Right. And when you are, you know, servicing. If, like Marissa, if you get COVID and you have to stay home. That's two weeks where you are not able to help another family who potentially is on the front lines. Right. So I think you have got you got to think about it that that way as well. We help we help out.

Yeah, so different at a loss if we're not able to work? Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. Again, I don't, I don't really care. Regardless if they do or not. I don't think they're gonna get it with them. I don't think so. I don't think so. Although there's like, a fear, like there's four or five people, you know, four or five companies that put out vaccines. So it feels like, you know, by January, there's gonna be so many of them. But yeah, well, I

mean, right now they're talking about whether or not we're going to get it first or whatever. So there's a lot of talk about that. Be I want to bring on Peter from the from the group. He his comment is he says he thinks if you're full time, and if you're working full time, then you should get it. But if you're just a part time, or maybe you don't have to, you know, so So, you know, I think that's a good comment. And if you know, maybe that's a good way of distinguishing between the two.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I would never it would be I mean, everyone, if you're gonna want it, you're you're eventually going to get it. But yeah, if you're driving 20 hours a week, I mean, there has to be some sort of like, you literally drive 40 hours a week.

And another thing I was thinking about earlier today is so let's see, when when the when when the vaccine is here, right, and we have it. Do you guys think there's gonna be a notice in the app, whether or not your driver is vaccinated or not? Are they gonna go that far? No.

It's HIPAA HIPAA violation.

I don't think that's legal.

Well, and that there's some truth to that. Marissa, that's absolutely true. But I can see benefits. I can see absolute benefits and knowing whether or not that you have it. The driver could put it in his profile. I think that'd be right. Yeah, you can write it in the profile. Absolutely. And then you run yourself and then you're not. Yeah,

maybe you would get more people wanting that.

Yeah, definitely. Uber's not going to be allowed to do that. In fact, my son got exposed last week to somebody and we don't they don't tell you who it was or how it happened or anything. They're just like, oh, by the way, and we're like, Well, what I thought like the eye contact or we're getting off. I'm gonna I'm gonna report. We're getting off topic. That's okay. No, I knew it was bound to happen. Well,

I think it's a hot topic right now. Yeah. Talk about how that's all gonna affect us.

So Marissa, Chris. I don't know how to pronounce his last name said that. He He's pretty sure that you delivered his groceries last night probably don't remember. Like, yeah, I can't

remember Chris, but it's possible. I've been working so

you didn't do a very good job.

Hey, I've got two months of five stars.


Wow. You didn't say you did great.

I'm only a 4.7. So I mean,

overall or your I think I think overall

I am no member I've only done 100. Right. Um, but like, I don't know, I just I just don't think when

was the last time you shopped has been

like a month ago. Okay. Yeah, cuz

you know, they do the last two weeks your for your last two weeks and then have a score for your last 50 days. And those are both 5.0. Yeah, but my overall score is four 4.9. Okay, how

many? How many have you done total?

I think it's almost 1600.

Oh, yeah. Wow.

Mm hmm. And how long have you been? Have you been doing chip?

almost three years.

Okay. All right. Well, we'll

talk about that a little bit more. Mark dammit. He comes up with the best jokes. Mark says a 4.7. Because of the Santa beard random beard. All right, next up is a yesterday's video. It's it's kind of

playing right?

Well, you told me you wanted to see it before. And that's why I kicked Miguel out of the studio earlier because you want

so here's a here's a video about a doordash and tipping. tipping.

Yeah, this is this is this, this podcast is tip heavy conversation. So I'm just gonna throw that out there. It's

good. We gotta gotta get some more people tipping. That's right. Just put in your food order with doordash feeling all good. Leaving that $0 tip for your driver. Here's what happens next, your food is about to be ready, it goes out to the closest doordash driver for $3. He doesn't accept the 35 seconds later, because the next doordash driver for 325, then the next 350, then the next 375, then the next four then the next 425 454 75 $5. Meanwhile, 35 seconds are going by in between finally a driver accepts it. Maybe 750, maybe eight bucks. The food's already been sitting there ready for about 10 minutes. Now it's at the 20th closest driver to the restaurant who now has to drive 15 minutes to the restaurant, the time they get to your food. It's been 25 minutes. Now they got to drive 15 minutes to your house, it took you 40 minutes. You're wondering why your food's gone. You're wondering my doordash charges you so much. You know why? Because they got to make up for the cost. Because you didn't tip you chose to leave the $0 tip. So guess what they added it on, they keep paying the driver. And when they pay the driver, I lose, you lose. We all lose. Tip your friggin drivers start with five bucks, get your food hot and fast.

Do high energy there. But there's some truth to it. Right? There's some truth to it. So because that's how these systems work. So that is interesting.

Yeah, I mean, I can give a little feedback about doordash. They all kind of work the same. But I've done doordash this week, just due to the fact because Uber is dumb. So I've had to do doordash and doordash is the lowest paying one out there, they actually give you a base pay of three. And then the tip is what you make on top of that. And I've seen orders for $3 350 $4 for 25. And what happens is he's exactly right, I get one for three, guess what? decline, the next guy gets it for three decline, decline, decline, decline, decline, decline, you know what I mean? And so then it sits there for a while. And then finally it gets up to let's say eight bucks. And when I see one for eight bucks, I often wonder if if it's been sitting there for a while, but I typically won't take anything less than $8. Because I mean, I mean, I'm not going to deliver something for three bucks. I mean, you're you're gonna have to be next to the restaurant for me to do that.

Can people tip after you deliver?

So I'm not sure on doordash. I know grubhub has enabled that feature they can tip after But yeah, I don't know. I mean, he makes a good point, though. We've always talked about that with Uber driving as well. Like there's a someone that's trying to get a ride that lives out in the boonies, and they like can't get a ride and can't get a ride or like, well, if you can pre tip if you pre tip 10 bucks, I'm gonna come pick you up.

I mean, I used to say that to anybody who was whenever they were in Allendale wanting to go downtown, I would say, you know, the moment you you ping me, you tip you text me immediately and say I will tip you $5 or something like that. Because then I will drive out to get you. You know, otherwise I'm not driving 12 hours 12 minutes to drive it down the street. I'm just not. But then go get the LTP on the app, bro.

I know that's what I'm

saying. And you run you run that risk. Absolutely. But you guys

all the time.

Absolutely. Yeah. It's and then you have you sitting there you'd never get it right. But I've had several times, Miguel where I drove out out to Allendale and they were nice gave me a 10 $15 tip. It's you know it They just do. I mean, I had one time this was back when everything was crazy time, right? I picked up it was a, it was at 2am in the morning, and I actually took him home. So that's always better. But it was a four, it was a four time ride until I made 200 bucks going from downtown to Allendale. Because they also tipped me $20. So hey, I'll take it by. Yeah, you know, sometimes they do one. As I said, whenever I picked something, I live halfway between downtown and ellendale. So that's a little easier. So whenever I go online, I always kind of I watch for the ones coming from Allendale because they want to go down to the to the to the Grand Rapids at that time. Until I you know, I'll go out and pick it and get them up. And then I say, when you got a home text to your driver immediately a letting them know that you will tip them and then do because then they will keep your otherwise they might kick you off because people they don't want to drive that far.

Yeah, I think a pre tipping option would be amazing in the Uber app,

just like it's doing Uber Eats now. Right? Well, there's the estimated with a tip. So I mean, yeah, that would be great. And Uber as well. Absolutely.

I often wonder though, now that grub hub, but they can go back in and change it I wonder and Uber you can to the first hour, they have one hour to change the tip, which is nice. I think Uber has actually done a good job with Uber Eats between all the companies like given the opportunity to change it. And if they don't, and they're like enjoying their food and the hour goes by then the tip is mine. So nice. Yeah. All right, let's check this one out. So this one, I'm gonna make this one big, small. So this is a text conversation. So this is the stuff we deal with. I'm not kidding. So this is your grubhub driver. I've left your order as specified in your notes. That's that's a default text in room 247 Yes, I dropped off the order room 247 that's what I Cress that's what I requested be brought and that's where it is. Food was dropped off at 247 was laid on the ground outside and I don't want to tell whoever brought it there that there's no dogs here refund my money. I don't get what that means. That's the gross Shit I Never ever heard of. Kind of cannot read this on my screen. I'm sorry. Hold on. That's the gross Shit I Never ever heard of refused to eat this shit for to walk or not to leave people's food. This is I'm reading what he typed so it doesn't mean it makes sense. I don't want it I mean, since it was so hard to knock in the door to present to me. grubhub deliveries are contactless due to COVID that's why there's a mask. I don't want this. I think he meant shit. I need my money return. Incorrect. The delivery was marked as con contactless, that's a hard word to say. You can you can contact grub hub customer support for refund Have a great day Enjoy your meal. So yeah, I mean, here's the thing. I think as a default on a lot of these apps, it's marked as contactless that was that's a hard word for me to see how slow I said that contactless. I knock regardless. So I mean, this is another one where he didn't knock he just left it. I don't understand people that don't knock, I would want somebody to knock. Because it's food, right? It's gonna get cold. A lot of people aren't glued to their phones all the time. So they may not see the notification that comes. I mean, it's probably just pops up and then goes away. You know how it kind of scrolls down and pops up. So yeah, I mean, I don't know why it's a big deal that he left it on the ground at the hotel. I mean, I don't know where the dog ship or

not eating the bag.

Yeah, I know. It's so bizarre.

I saw one this way. I saw one somebody, somebody had placed a food right on on the on the stone in front of the door, and the door opened out. So it would actually, when they opened their door, it would push the food off the ledge. seems stupid, right? Maybe. But yeah, that was like, Huh.

Drivers are so dumb. In fact, I had a delivery this week that said, Please don't put it in front of the door. And I'm like, okay, clearly she's had some issues where Yeah, I'm like, when people deliver packages to them, I always look when I deliver a package where the door opens. So I don't block it a so that when they open it, they can just grab it. They don't have to walk all the way around. I don't know. Maybe I'd be in to consider it. But

I mean, like because Pickens, you know, you look at a door. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

It's just customer service. I mean, like, I treat people how I would want to be treated. So anyways, Mark,

what about what about Do you have any weird like, drop off stories like that?

Kind of, I delivered an order last week. And it was a pork chop off and I usually send a text lay you know, show me to drop everything off on your porch and you text me It's all there. And she's like, Yeah, great. So I drop it off and get back to the store. And you know, I send a text when I drop it off. Everything's there, have a great night, blah, blah. And I get back to the store. And she's like, um, nothing is on my porch. And I'm like, my heart is racing. I'm like, No, I cannot do this. I am not a new. I will not accept. So she's like, so then she says, because we don't have access to their address after we deliver. So she sends me a text with her address. And I'm like, that was not on your account. I looked at my map history. And I was like, but you know, I try not to be like, this is your fault.

Yeah. So I was like,

Oh, I'm pretty sure my app said this. I'm so sorry. I'm jumping back in my car. She's like, no, so I call her and she's like, don't worry about it. It could have been she's like, it could have been me. I'm gonna run out and make sure it's still there. So then she texts me and she is like, yeah, I put the wrong address in my account. I'm so sorry. I was like, thank God.

So did you run back and grab it?

I was in my car. I was going to go back and get it for her. But it was her next door neighbor. I think they must have shared the account.


Okay, thankfully, she was like, I'm putting my slippers on going on.

I would like it. I'd be freaking out.

Right. Where's my groceries? Yeah. So bad for a second. I was like, I couldn't I can't do that.

No, I would do the same thing. I've had it where I forget the this week I forgot drinks twice. Now they got because they text because I always it's been with grubhub too. That's why it's I kind of like grub up because you send a stock tax. And then they text me back. Hey, was there a drink, I'm like, batch. So I'm like, turn around and like, one was like a kid's milk. And the other one was like a mountain dew. It doesn't really matter what it was. But but with doordash you like confirm delivery. And then there's no texting. It's like all through the app. And for grub hub, it actually pulls your SMS message. So you actually have you can contact you know, the customer through SMS not through the app. So thankfully, it was both with grubhub. And they're like, hey, did it have a drink? And like

I had one this week where she had ordered for fabric softeners. And I was like, well, that's kind of weird. So I asked her, I was like, did you offer these? And she was like, she said something about one of the items. And I was like, Okay, great. So she only wanted one. So I put the rest back. And then when I delivered, she sent me a text and she was like, hey, did they not have those fabric? softeners and I was like, I thought, Oh, I must have left the one that I got for her in the car. And I was like I'm so sorry. It must be in the back of my car and coming back right now and get back to her house and it's not my car and I'm like so confused like Where could it have gone if she didn't get it inside of my car? So then she's like, no, there was a there was a sale at Target. If you buy for you get a $10 coupon and I wanted all three of them but English wasn't her first language so it was like kind of a choppy text and I just didn't understand what she meant but it was like she wanted all four of them. I only brought her

what I bought so bad sees it happens.

I know all right. Yes, we're moving on. This is a kind of a scary video coming out right now and and i think it I think it probably is like a worst case scenario what what could happen but just shouldn't but go ahead and play the video.

Oh my God wasn't that bad? No, no, no, no. Why are you getting back in there? You put your fucking gun on me. I'm doing my fucking job. Now

Oh, by the way, he uses the F word quite a bit.

You know, we all watch what? Amazon tried a big ass and

I literally wave to your back and work.

Bro. I'm doing my job. No,

I want to

jump on a pistol in front of

you with your pistol gun show. No, no,

no, no, no,

no, I'm turning back.

No, no, no, no fuck that. I should call the cops or you would call them as you get away from the band. Anyways, we don't have to play all of that. But you get Yeah, you get the gist of it. Um, it is honestly he's actually in an Amazon van when I deliver Amazon packages. I'm in my personal car.

But the story doesn't we don't know that he's in the mo it was Oh, he says he's an Amazon driver. But you don't actually see the side of the van.

No, you don't but through the rest of the video. No, the rest of the video does say that. He's in a prime van. Oh, yeah. So but my point is is like We drive our own vehicles. Yeah, I have a sticker that says Amazon. And it's okay during the day, but still, even now they're like, Oh, they make you drive your own car. Now I'm like, I always drive my own car and I have to explain to them that amazon flex This is the overflow. Like every single time. I had a lady day come sprinting from her barn because she saw me pull in the driveway. And I'm like, it's okay. I mean, I wear Amazon fast. Like I step out, like, you see, like, I just don't have the van. And there's been people in the Grand Rapids group that have had guns pulled on him. Oh, my God. Yeah. Especially late at night. I try not to deliver at night. So I won't usually take a night route like a wall. Dark at 530 in Michigan here in the winter, so anything after that it's kind of sketch because you go out to the country, the city's fine. No, no problem in the city. But if you go out to like Cedar Springs and or Kansas City or wherever you move, man. It's It's dangerous.

But why? And this is what I don't understand. Maybe it's just because I'm not from here. I don't know. But why is your first thought to pull the gun? I don't get that

America, bro. Well, but

I mean, maybe right. So that that but why are you worried about your safety because somebody comes driving down your driveway in a van? I don't. I don't get that.

Well, especially like you're in your house. Right? I mean,

it's the middle of the day.

Well, I mean, it's it's they deliver up to 9pm. That for him.

I know, this was the middle of the day, right? I mean, what was he scared about? It's not like he didn't look like he couldn't handle himself. I mean, he Yeah, he was old. But he wasn't that old.

Yeah. I think people I just get it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so anyone listening that isn't a gig worker. If you do see a car in your driveway, which I'm a neighborhood watch guy, I'm gonna be the 80 year old looking out the window every day, because that's how. So if somebody rolls up, I'm like, what's up? My daughter does the same thing. It's freaking hilarious. We kind of live on a dead end two. So I'm like, looking in the back like people will park back there. I'm like, what's up? You know what I mean? So I get it. But my first reaction wouldn't be to come out with a pistol. No, no, but I mean, so.

No. So Sam, Sam, the gun in the chat is Is she doesn't understand it either. And of course, Matt Maher gets the other side of it. Right. Yeah. So again, if you have both sides of that all the time, I just for me, I don't get it. But I also you know, then Mike is very, very, very different when it comes to those things. I don't know if you guys remember anything about this. But about 25 years ago, right now, there was a lady. She was over here from them, like, on a longest day and she had her baby with her. And she happened to leave her baby outside in the stroller in the bar, downtown Manhattan, which you could do any day of the week. And then like in Copenhagen, because you just do that. And she did. Oh, yeah, you can it's not a big deal. It was it was a police car came by they took the baby, it was a huge deal. And she was reported to the to the to the child protective services and everything, which is a huge deal. But it's just a difference in mentality. Even in a bigger city. Again, it's going back to this whole thing and why is your first thought to pull the gun I don't I don't get that.

It's the same reason why I'm gonna say this and we're gonna move on because I don't want anyone else to talk about it. It's the same reason we're still dealing with this pandemic. Alright, Marissa, it's your show. Cheers. Cheers. It's your time to shine, it's your time to shine. So Marissa is gonna talk about a few things and then we're gonna do an ad and then she's gonna wrap it up. So we just kind of split it up a little bit. So a couple of things I want to know about. You know, what your ship shopper wants you to know. And then like your best five star tip?

Yes. All right. Okay, so if you shipped This segment is for you. The first thing that I want people to know is for pickup orders. When we mark your order, as ready for pickup, we sit down and we wait for you. We cannot do anything else. Until you come and pick up your order. We don't have a place a safe place to put your cart we don't have We can't leave it with somebody we sit and wait for you. So please, please, please please please try to coordinate with your shopper and come and pick it up. ASAP when we're ready for you and then also along the same lines with pickup orders if you come late, we are marked late and we will be penalized for that.

Yeah, it's also good to just to clarify as you continue on that you want to present you know because you know as a customer Right. So some of the shoppers have never taken an order. So it's also good to think you know, as you're listening to this, like what the what the customer sees so you can provide a better service.

Yeah, exactly. The other thing as a customer, I think it's important to know that we can't add alcohol onto your orders unless you already have alcohol on your orders. So there's some sort of legal thing on the back end paperwork, when you first submit your order, you're signing something, and we don't have access to that a shopper. So it's a huge legal no no for us to deliver alcohol if it isn't originally on your order. So if there's something if there's like a beer or something that you want, that's not in the, in the catalogue, don't put it in as a special request, put in a different beer so that you have that already. And then you can just tell us that you want something else. And then another thing that's important, so we can't deliver tobacco, which includes smoking cessation, private products, we can't deliver propane fireworks or any live items. So can you get cars? We can't do gift cards either.

Can you add additional alcohol if they already have some alcohol? Okay,

yeah, we can.

That's so weird. I know. Like you've already like, I guess you're like opening the door. So they can add as much alcohol as long as they have like, give me a give me a Mickey's 40 or something. And you're like, Yeah, I'd like some, you know, founders. I'd like some new Hall. And then that's totally fine. Yeah, it's

totally fine. It's all just, it's just the legal thing. When you first submit your order, there's something that you sign Oh, is required for alcohol delivery.

So each time the customer place the order they sign this? Yes, like check a box and say, yeah,

it's probably a box that they check. And we don't have access to that a shopper. So we can't like have them sign the form or whatever to get that.

Yeah, Samsung order. When you order alcohol, you agree to be present? With ID. So how does that work with? Is it anyone that has an ID? Or do do you have to have the customer that ordered the shop?

It can be anyone over the age of 21? I can't have a 10 year old can bring me their mom's ID right. But we can accept any valid form of ID so we can do a passport or address. It can't be an expired driver's license, either. If you have an expired license, unfortunately, we're now

it seems that to me, that seems weird. Like, I agree. You're clearly this is you I see you on the picture. You're clearly over 21 just because it's

cheating. Well, they have to do that at the grocery store, too. If you have a an expired ID they're not supposed to sell it at the grocery store either.

Really, but don't it's because they don't actually get rid of the expired ID right. So technically, even if they get a new one they could, quote unquote, give the expired one away. Yeah,

that's probably why. Oh, yeah, that's

a good point. Yes, we're coming in strong. Logic. Yeah. Even from Denmark. He's like, Jason.

Since I was 13. He says,

right? Isn't your son 15?

Isn't your son 15? You shouldn't be bragging about that. I'm gonna send him this clip.

legal drinking age and then Mike is 15 right?

Is it really?

You can buy into 18 and 21. But you can drink you

can drink at 15. That is not Wow. is the same for tobacco.

They don't care. I mean, whether or not is the guy I don't know whether or not they did. There's no control. I mean, I think you have to take them to bat but anybody can go by to cigarettes.

Yeah, it's also interesting. And this is completely sidebar, but like, I was watching a tic tac the other day. Yeah, I know. I watched tic tocs all the time. So addicting. There's so addicting. It says you can you know, you can be 18 to vote, but and you can go die for your country. But you can't buy booze till you're 21 Yeah, it's so weird.

There's a lot of double standards going around there. Right? It's you know, yeah, America. America. There you go. So,

what's that?

says it all doesn't.

So what else can you tell us about? Uh, you know what your ship shopper wants you to know?

Yeah, um, our ratings are very sensitive. They're very strict about our ratings. So unless you have a specific reason to rate us down, please don't we could get fired. Sorry, Jason for saying this, but we could get fired for 4.7 and then you have a 4.7. So don't just give us a four star because there's always room for improvement, please and thank you. And then another thing is shipped has started bundling orders. So that means that we are being offered orders that are Two together. So we don't have a choice. We have to shop your order with somebody else's. And I know that that's really frustrating from the customer perspective. But please just bear with us. And we are getting paid less for them also. So yeah, I, I apologize for the slow communication and slow delivery, but it's a it's not our fault.

Are you kidding? Are you taking bundle orders when I have nothing when I'm not ordered or offered anything? So when you're like, it's like me with doordash, like, you're just like, dead in the water, you're like, I need a bit of work.

I'm not just gonna sit here. I'm like, okay, I could sit in the parking lot and make nothing. Or I could make 10 bucks and go do this

bundle, do you have the same kind of mentality? And I'm sure you're in some maybe or some Facebook groups, I don't know, that they're like, and I'm kind of like, I'm kind of a jerk like that with Amazon. So just real quick, Amazon starts out at a certain rate. And if you leave the routes alone, they'll go up in price. And some people take them at the base rate, and I get so fussy, but I don't you know, I don't I try not to judge them because I don't know what they need for money. Yeah, I just like yeah, for me $18 an hour to drive to Kalamazoo and back is just not was not worth it. But do you guys have that in your Facebook groups like

doubled orders?

Um, I'm not in the Facebook groups. I don't have a Facebook anymore. But I know a lot of people are like, let the promos go. But then there's also on the other side. If you if you let orders go to promo too much. Then they're going to hire more people. And then there's less orders for everyone. So there's a lot of push to like don't let them go to promo. Don't let them go to promo.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a it's kind of a catch 22. I mean, yeah, you don't want them. Yeah, I guess Amazon would be the same way they might hire more drivers. Oh, yeah. Just to just try to fill that but. So you don't have Facebook? Well, congratulations. Yeah, sorry. No, don't apologize. Don't apologize. I deleted off my phone. So that's I don't have it on my phone anymore. So I only get on it when actually I don't even post anything. It's just all for the for the podcast. That's all it that's smart, though.

You kind of have to be on social media.


Yeah, right. Right. So do you mostly communicate through Reddit? I know. That's how I found you.

I actually just made a Reddit to I was browsing on something and, and I just made it so that I would stop getting the stupid pop up like, oh, we're better than yet. You know, so I just made all that. And then I was so frustrated about pickup orders. And star ratings people rating down. So I was like, I want to tell people about this. You need to know how I don't know how I just I just feel like people if people knew that pickup orders were so inconvenient for ship shoppers. I feel like they would be more flexible. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, I need some way to tell people about this. So I just I don't try it on Reddit. And a lot of people enjoyed it. So

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All right, let's

talk about your most embarrassing ship shopping story. Okay,

so I was living to this older guy, and he had made a comment about how impressive it was that I brought everything in one trip from the car and I'm getting ready to leave And he's standing next to the door and he puts his hand up like this to say goodbye. I thought he wanted a high five, because he thought I was so cool for being a one trick wonder. So I high five. He was like,

he was like, Okay, good man. And I was like,

oh, man, that

I'm thankful it wasn't a hug.

Right? Right. That would be crazy.

But that's definitely my most embarrassing.

No has that. So did you go I was gonna ask you to now with COVID is probably different. But I do ask people. Would you like me to bring the groceries into the house for you? Is that was that one of those situations?

If I'm, if it's an older person, and they open the door, I always ask and I would say nine times out of 10, they opened the door because they want you to ask. So I have brought groceries in for older people. But most of my orders are drop offs, except for alcohol deliveries. And I can kind of gauge where they're at because I always offer Do you want to sign my phone? Or do you want me to sign it for you? And most of them say please sign it for me because they don't want to touch my phone. So I'm like, okay, they don't want me in their house. Well,

it's funny because I when I started shift again, Samantha that's commented in the chat. She's been on the podcast for a long, long time. She's been a host and contributor, yada yada, but she said that she just signed it for him. She doesn't even ask. So that's what I started doing. Because I had one lady that I gave her the phone and she kind of hesitated. So I messaged Sam, I'm like, hey, are they What's up with this? And she's like, Oh, do to COVID they don't have to sign I'm like, that makes sense. I don't want to hand somebody my I think

they just changed it. I think they are requiring people to sign it now. Mm hmm. But I'm still offering Yeah, cuz like they're gonna make somebody do it.

Yeah. Like they're really gonna verify the signature.

Yeah, exactly. And most people just, I swear, most people just do a line anyway. So what I do for everybody, right?

It would be fun to write silly things out there and see how long before you got an email? Like, if you shipped this voice


When you're really done when you're ready? Yeah, you're ready to burn the bridge? Yeah, yeah.

That'd be a fun way to go. I like it.

Oh, do you ever feel uncomfortable? If someone Have you ever had someone say, yeah, you can bring them in. And you're like,

there was a there was one time that somebody lived way out in, like Timbuktu. And their address was actually not in the delivery zone. So they the address on the app was different from where they sent me.

I would never do that.

Yeah, I my husband was very mad at me for and it was really creepy because he like I saw him as I was pulling in. And then he went around to the back of his house. There was a fire going in the back of his house. He had a bonfire. And he just disappeared. And I was like, this is it. This fire is for me. This is my this is my life. And he had he had the door propped open and then I heard him say, oh, did come? Yeah, he just bring him right. No, I just stopped him writing friends writing go inside. But yeah,

yeah. And then you're not the wisest out of the driveway.

We do always talk and make sure Miguel is talked about this before like women. Right? You're driving like it's just a geyser such creeps. You know what I mean? I mean, we none of us are, of course, but maybe 20 years ago. But it's just so it's such a dangerous thing. Uber driving? I don't know. Would you ever do Uber driving at night? Or what your husband probably like, that's gonna be a no for me.

That's a no for me. No, I don't think I would ever want to do that.

Yeah, yeah. But she was mostly we have

we have some drivers in the group that female drivers and they have no issues at all. Oh, that's good.

I think it's just personality. Like, I know, we always talk about I know this is a ship segment but commanding your car. Like I always tell the female drivers like when they get in you greet them. You say Hey, how's it going? Thanks for riding with me or whatever. And then they're like, Oh, this woman. You know, you don't mess with her. You know what I mean? Like

it helps that everything is traceable. Like they have an account and like, who knows where they live and work? Well,

you put a fifth patrone and somebody and they do not care.

True. That's true. You guys are dealing with a lot of drunk people

a lot. Oh, yeah. A lot of drugs. Yeah.

So um, your next thing you want to do Talk about is your horror stories and it says you've been bitten by a dog. Yes,

I was actually going to segue into that because he was drunk. The dog owner was drunk.

I said the dog was drunk.

Um, the owner had just ordered a bottle of rum. And I dropped it off to him and his dog came to the door while he was signing my phone. So I put my hand out for the dog to smell my hand, and the dog bit me pull my hand back. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, what do I do? And the guy was like, Oh, don't worry, she won't bite you. And I was like, well, she just did your way. And he was like, Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. He freaked out. And I was like, no big deal. Maybe just put her away next time. And then I went about my business. And he texted me. And he was like, totally drunk texting me like, like, I should have my dog or he like, texted me and was like, I am so so so so so sorry about that. And I was like, no big deal. Seriously, don't worry about it. I promise I won't sue you. And then he kept making jokes. And then he's like, I should have my dog bite cute girls more often. And Oh, boy. like not even trying to be smooth about it. Like was he was like,

we're not doing? Yeah, yeah,

I was like, okay, you're drunk. I'm just not gonna read it out. Anyway. So and then I've actually had another dog. Like, ready to pounce on me like rallying with their butt up in the air like chasing me around my car. Yeah. It was like a six year old out in the yard too. So I was like,

are you? Do you have a dog at your house? I hate dogs. Okay, so yeah, that that's tough man. Being in the delivery business. You don't like dogs I had, I just, I

just pretend like I love them, though. Because they're like people's kids, you know. So you just have to

fake it. You know, you know what you can do? And this. I told this to Sam the other day and she bawled me out. But I don't have any dog treats. You know what I say? I'm like, Oh, you want to treat? You want to treat? Come? Oh, God, boy, come here. You want to treat, and I dropped the packets and I walk in my car and I get the hell out of there and like smile. I know. But I may feel bad for the dog. But I'm like, hey, they know that treat word like,

right. That's so smart.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's kind of mean or just try to have treats with you. But

I had a dog jump in my car and eat my lunch while I was delivering. I had my lunch and my passenger seat. And while I was delivering their dog, this big dog came tumbling out, jumped right into my car and ate my lunch.

You know, it's funny. I have to be careful with that because I actually leave my door open when I deliver for Amazon so that if a dog starts charging, I don't have to spend time opening the door. One of these days that son of a bitch is going to sneak around the back and get in there. Get my old granola bar that I have. Yeah. Funny. What other horror stories have you had and then we'll move on.

I think those are all my good horror stories.

Yes, sir. A lot of cars going on. I get lots of dogs get in the car. Well, yeah.

I was gonna say have you ever had you? Well, you don't you don't really do any kind of delivery. So you've probably never been a dog.

never hit by No, never bit by a dog. No.

What about you a gal you're doing Uber Eats? I mean, you do run into alone. You're quick.

Yeah. And I step on some droppings Where?

There might be worse

every day. I'm like, Don't cut the corners. You're gonna step on dogshit don't don't

cut the corners. I went to the grass and like went

through the grass. Well, I actually had one today where I it was like two o'clock in the afternoon and there was a dog out and it was head invisible fence. And that said it was contactless delivery. I'm like, I can't leave this here. So I'm ringing the doorbell. I'm like, nobody came. No one came and I went to go, I actually didn't have my phone on me when I do a delivery if I if I don't have to, like grubhub it doesn't make you take a picture, which is Yeah, only Uber Eats and doordash does. So grubhub doesn't so I just leave my phone in my car. Like I don't need to grab it. Drop it and knock on the door and there was a dog there and I'm like, What am I can eat. And it was a big dog too. And he's super nice. Like, I was like patnem I'm like, yeah, you want it was B dubs. I'm like, You smell these wings in here. Like me to buy me to it's two o'clock. I have not had lunch yet.

I'm good job not leaving those wings. dogs do not like chicken bone.

Yeah, she eventually came out because it was like I rang the doorbell and I was just walking back to my car to call her and she walked out and like, I'm sorry, I didn't leave it. I know you wanted it. But I didn't really want to leave it with the dog. She's like, yeah, that's probably a good idea. So all right. Um, so this one's kind of funny. Like I said, this is a heavy doordash or heavy tipping issue. So we're gonna watch another video about Oh, no, this guy. This hasn't do a tipping. Sorry. I kind of lost track of it. But yes, for Yes. We're headed actually see this on Tick Tock. So

it's pretty funny. All right, it is pretty fun. I have been in isolation, quarantine now, whatever you want to call it for seven days.

So when I ordered doordash today, I didn't exactly care how I looked. I went to the door and my boxers. As he handed me my food. He looked down with fear in his eyes. I looked down to realize that my whole Dick was outside of the box.

My first reaction was to say something funny, and I said, Oh, I guess he's hungry, too. And then suddenly cringed.

Moral The story is, does anybody know

how to use grubhub? Because I'm banned from doordash now.

Not creepy.

Okay. I mean, I feel like it's fake. Because like, how does that, doesn't it? I mean, you're married, like, how does that just sneak out? Like, it's very sensitive to temperature? Like, I mean, maybe he's bragging because it's really big. I don't know. But I've never really had it smoked out

if you didn't feel it couldn't be that big.

Oh, you got me on that one.

I always thought the fun part was was not about that. It was more that now he's all about you know who's out. I use grub up because I'm now paying

it. Well, yeah. I mean, there's so many. Don't worry. Well, yeah, he's quarantine. He wants to get his food. Oh, my gosh. All right. So yes, for insurance.

Why don't you give me that. So you always give me this

because you love insurance. And you know, okay, so

this is a I guess is the Reddit? I don't know. Yeah, read it. So can insurance company find out? If you are doing Uber after the accident? Let me know. Ben has had some experiences with that. And yes, they absolutely can. If you get into a crash and decide not to tell the insurance company that you do Uber, do they have a way of finding out directly by talking to Uber or the company or the agency if it wasn't mentioned in a police report? Or was just with doing eats and no passengers kiss? Just curious. Thanks. And yes, they can find out. And yes, if you don't have the rider, you are committing fraud. Just get the rider it's very easy. It's very simple. Most of the companies in our in Michigan now offered an accident most of the companies in on a national level. Yeah. Most of them is not that expensive. Yeah. It's a business expense. Right? You get to the doctor the end of the year. It's just

wait, what? I never did shit. I should go in there and do that. I never did.

costs you can? Yeah, it's like

another deduction I missed. I never thought about that.

Ben Ben, he just joined apparently he stopped by because you heard my mentioning

Oh, no, he lurks you know he lurks

he was in an accident two or three years ago, whatever. And within hours he was automatically banned from from it.

Yeah, they they have a very pipeline now that they communicate with and they because neither mana pay, right. So they're like, Hey, you know this guy cuz cuz the because Ben's insurance company knew that he drove for Uber. So they immediately sent to Uber like, hey, was he on the app? No, he was it. Okay. All right. I guess we're on the hook for paying it was

but they still turned them off. They still, they still immediately deactivated the car until Ben could prove that it was fixed. It was repaired. Oh, it wasn't even a big deal. It was just had the taillight that was broken. It's not like he was not able to drive. You know, it was Yeah. So that so yes, they absolutely. You know. And when you have a personal insurance, you cannot, you cannot I guess it's called do library livery. Or you want to say, which means you cannot make money using your car only on a personal insurance that is committing fraud. And they can cancel you for it. So it's just

here's a question for Marissa. And I don't know, what about shipped? Do they require you to have any additional insurance? I know you're not taking passengers. But

yeah, they don't require additional insurance. But they do require obviously general insurance but no additional?

Yeah, I wonder what would happen. So you know, yes, for is like, you know, he loves to talk about insurance. So I wonder what would happen if you got an accident when you were actually delivering someone's? I mean, you assume it would go to your regular insurance, but what if they said, What were you doing at the time and let's just say you didn't lie. And you said that, you know, that you were delivering for ship? Would they say oh, sorry about that. Um, we're not going to cover it.

I actually was in an accident, while going to the store to start a shift order and I Did not to tell my insurance about the accent and just paid for it on pocket. Okay.

I mean, it might be something to look into. But here's the problem like, you know, with rideshare, they have like a specific rider that's built in. I don't know if they have anything for for shipped. I mean, they've probably like, Oh, you need a commercial policy?

Yeah, I've never heard of anything, but I know that they shipped has their own insurance policy, and they cover if you're at fault for an accident, they'll cover somebody else's, or the other person's damages. Oh, they were yours, but they'll cover the other person's.

Okay. So the liability?

Technically, you're still is still the whole library issue is still there, whether you're delivering people or, or, or groceries?

Yeah, but I mean, I'll have to talk to Jackie about that. But before I the insurance company that was dealing with before that they did not cover anything but Uber and Lyft. They said that does not cover amazon flex. It doesn't cover shift. It doesn't cover

anything. But those riders is also specifically meant for those models. That's why they have the period one, two and three. Yeah. You don't have those periods and shipped.

Yeah, right.

But you still have the same problem. It's still the same technically. I would think we should talk to Jackie about that. Definitely. But technically, I would think that, that if you had an accident, either delivering the groceries on your way to the store technically doing the work. They could choose to say No, I am not going to call it the accident. Because Yeah,

I mean, they tell you I think you're right. I think technically they could choose not to cover it. Have Miguel Have you ever been in an accident at all while driving or not?

No, no, no, I'm a good driver.


you forget you forget that. We are good drivers, but everybody wrote a good drivers. Yeah,

we're all good drivers until we're not. Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah. I've never been an accident either. Oh, speaking of insurance, I'm going to skip number seven, y'all. Jackie, let's do it. Jackie is the insurance agent of the gig economy podcast of Jasper and I, since that's who the podcast is. We can say that now right? Yes,

absolutely. Again,

you can call her at 269-569-6127 or email Jackie at Mia Fs calm She is an independent agent meaning she can shop several different insurance companies get you the best deal you know yes there's got a lead foot so you know maybe progressivism for him maybe say

Hey, hey, take a three year Hey,

I'm doing an ad here. I'm doing an ad here

dumping me into it that I know this season.

So yeah, she can shop several different shirts Yes, we're just recently switched and and she that number that I give you that 269-569-6127 is her personal cell phone. She's responsive she'll take care of you it's just nice to have somebody that just a personal insurance agent and Mark yes she does auto and homeowners yes yeah for sure. She does it all Yeah, I got my home with her too It's like almost a no brainer when you get oh yeah auto insurance like why wouldn't you get your

do both same time you get the you get the two paws discount

so right so again 269-569-6127 or email Jackie at Mia Fs calm it was

the one thing that was very interesting to me when she did my quote I didn't know about this. But since I've been home since April, since whatever I have not been driving very much on my one vehicle and have so she automatically put low mileage discount on that one. Oh, nice. isn't a discount. So if you if you have a vehicle that dies list your plant you're thinking is gonna drive less than 6000 miles a year. She's going to give you the low mileage discount which my blackcap I think I'll be lucky if I get 3000 miles on that one this year. Because I don't ever drive it.

So I drive 150 to 200 miles a day. Does that qualify for a low mileage? You do

the math

every month an oil change every 5000 my house? No that is probably not that is not going to fly. Alright, okay, this is freakin hilarious. So I got a full screen this sucker. So this is from Amazon. I didn't know you could actually chat with your Amazon driver but it says Amazon driver I am your Amazon delivery driver and you have chickens roaming here yard. I am afraid to come out. How can I deliver this package to you? I mean,


So listen, so Have y'all ever been around chickens like, like real real?

Yes, yes, I

have chickens are fine. roosters are assholes. I would be afraid of a rooster like We when we lived in Byron center was like allegan we had chickens we had like, I don't know, 10 hens and then for some reason we got we got more and one was a rooster. It wasn't supposed to be. That thing was in a hole. I almost cut its head off because like, I was done with them, and I had to kick them in the chest like I would try to go in and get the eggs. And that son of a gun he just like would not, you know,

he would not be bigger than him though.

I mean, nobody is terrifying when a bird you're still muted. morosa

Alright, again, when they put their wings out there huge stuff.

Yeah. roosters, it's like you see people running from turkeys to and I'm like,

oh, turkeys is much bigger than

chick. That's true. Yeah. All Hands are portable. So if you just need to pump that thing, just go ahead. But if that not that I'm condoning animal cruelty. I love animals. But if you are, if you're scared of chickens, you're gonna run into a lot of dogs and you maybe Amazon is not for you. Oh my gosh. I can't believe that. I've never seen anyone say I'm scared of your chickens. I word What do you want me to do with your package? Just throw the damn thing. Adam like cheese? Yeah, they're punishable. Like just get it done.

It's a chicken. I mean, come on. Hey, I'm

gonna deliver that package. I I do not bring packages back. So here's another one. This is your grubhub driver. Ashton, I left your order outside of your front door. Common. That's the stock text. Any reason why you place my wings like five feet from your door. Okay, this is gonna be controversial. He says, I waste the least amount of time possible and zero tip orders. He's like, how do I speak to your supervisor? Oh, I mean, here's the thing you chose to take that order,


You should do the job. If you chose to take it, you can be fussy about it. See? Here's the weird thing like on grubhub you see what you're gonna get paid. Like they don't tell you if it's tip or anything like it says let's say it says $10. Sometimes you look at it after you're delivered and or right before you deliver it. You can see the tip. It says zero tip grub hub has made up that money. But if you have a minimum that you're gonna make, like my minimum is like eight bucks. That's on you. You took it? Why would you be like, you know what I mean? What do you think about that? Anyone jumping?

Well, I mean, then he earned his here. He earned his low rating, right?

Yeah, I mean, his low rating. I mean, if you're gonna take like, like me if I took it $3 doordash. I know what I'm getting. I'm getting no tip. So why would I be pissed at the customer, I took it, I am an independent contractor, I have the opportunity to deny it. And I didn't I mean, my accepted three on doordash is like 14%. You know what I mean? So I declined more way more than I take because I'm not gonna deliver it for three bucks. So

well. And the other the other side too is the more he takes those orders with no tip, the more people continue doing the orders with no tip. I mean, it's learned behavior, right. So he is encouraging them himself.

In you know, that happens that was shipped. It happens with Amazon, you know, we used to get paid $30 an hour for routes. We don't see that anymore, then the minimum used to be 23. Like, now it's 22. You know, they're they're figuring it out. They're slowly just whittling it down. And if you keep taking it for cheap, cheap, cheap, they're gonna keep offering it for the customers do. They're gonna keep saying on off the tip. This guy is gonna bring me my food. But,

but yeah, you don't have the person for you don't leave a tip. Give me a tip. Something like that. Like, come on.

Yeah, I know. I mean, I just don't understand why people don't like why is it like you get your pizza? And you tip like pizza is the staple. Right? It's been around for forever. And that was the first delivery item. But I mean, it must be because people are delivering those $3 doordash orders and that's why they're not tipping. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I feel like for ship there's a little bit of a people don't understand they marketed ship shoppers as earning 20 to $25. Yeah. So a lot of people don't tip their ship shoppers because they think that we're good at you know, making lots of money. Yeah,

25 an hour. I mean, that's pretty sweet.

Right? you're rolling in the dog. Come on.

Well, it's kind of the same thing with Uber. They started out saying you didn't have to tip Yeah, and so that says Do they read

denic they say tips are never expected but always appreciated.

I mean, I they have to say that as corporate but it's just like really, I mean, I II I have shipped shop. It's a lot of work. I have been. I have sweat more and my pits doing a ship shop. Because like they're like you got to be on time and So you're like Holland App Store and yeah, I don't mind the heavy stuff is just like, I mind. You know what I like? And maybe they maybe they didn't do that. I swear before you couldn't look at the order back in the day, like

a couple years ago, and it's a new feature.

Okay, so now you can look at the order and like all this organic shit, I'm like, I'm not taking this. I'm never gonna find that stuff.

I don't know what that is. That is.

Yeah. I can't pronounce half this stuff. I don't know where it is

calling Megan. Megan, what is this? Why can I

know I call Sam. She gets so mad at me. Because when she ships shopping, she turns her notifications off on telegram. I'm like, Sam. Hey, it's me. Pick it up. I'll call her and she's probably like, I'm gonna stab him in the neck.

I leave me alone. And I can call Marissa. Nah, no. No,

I don't know. I was shopping for a while but we'll right now. Melissa, you can kind of comment on the bonuses that they've been offering and how there's no promos anymore.

Yeah, I think the bonuses are mostly for them to look good. I think they're mostly because they sent out and like they made like a public statement like we were doing so much for our shoppers Oh are offering them such and such amount. We've offered like 15 bonuses a record amount of bonuses. We've never offered this but this many bonuses.

But well, you know, like Sam and I when we were when I was starting shipped again. I only did promos, and all of a sudden they offer that bonus. And there's no promos anymore.

Yeah, that's the thing. Sunday's I mean, Sunday's used to be chaos like yeah, and we still are really busy but a lot less. No promos. I used to be able to ride promos all day on a Sunday.

Yeah, well, Sam used to work just Saturdays and Sundays to make her money during the week. Yeah. Now she

can't because no promo

I think it'll I think they'll go away after Christmas. Hopefully.

Yeah. And especially, I think there's a lot of new shoppers right now, too. And, like you said, when you're you do your first 10 orders in the honeymoon phase, you get all the good ones. And then after that you don't and then people realize how much money you're not making. So they kind of stop. It's not for everyone.

Yes. I mean, Sam said the bonuses aren't attainable. I totally agree. You got to do like 12 orders to get $200. So that doesn't sound like a lot. But you have to do that one day. Yeah,

I am there. There have been some that are like 18 for the whole weekend. Or I think one was like 12. Yeah. 12 for one day, they they're doing a whole bunch of I think they're kind of probably testing out. Yeah, it is. But they're Yeah. Do you

think they probably pay out less money when they do it that way? Because I'm sure yeah, I'm sure. Yeah,

I think that that I think that's the thing that is kind of the wrong thing about the whole k economy is just the constant search of new people doing it, which is it's feeding the mail, right? It's feeding the and, and and, and so they can change the model. Right? And yeah, and the people who have been round doing whatever it is, for a while, we experience like what you're saying, Jason, now what have you experienced that the client exactly like Jason says, For the flex stop being $30. Now he's 24. And now it's 12. Whatever. But because people take it right away, and there's nobody to teach them the ways of doing it. It's hard. Yeah. And then there's too many people who they just don't value their own time. Right. Yeah. And, and, and the whole concept of, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. No matter how much I'm gonna make an hour. I just need to make my rent, whatever it is,

and I totally get that I don't judge anyone. I do tell them, I would wish you wouldn't take him for 18. But I get it. I don't know your life. If you need to do it for 18 an hour like, I get it man like you do what you got to do, but I'm just saying it's hurting the whole package as a whole.

Oh, it is it's hurting all the apps, right?

Yeah. So well, I also think was shipped, they just changed their pay scale. So a lot of the veterans are a little bit peeved about the new pay scale. And it just like I've never, I've never, I've always loved working for shift. But now I kind of see the downside of being a 1099. Because you don't negotiate your salary at all. You take it or leave it and they're hiring a whole bunch of new people who don't know better who don't know how good we used to have it. And that, you know, they're not hurt at all by the veterans. Are the old people not working?

Yeah, let's face it. We're not, we're not true. 1099 because like, if you were a drywaller, you could set the price, whatever you want. I mean, within reason, if you set it too high, you're not gonna get any business. But yeah, we really don't have any say on our pay. And we can just be like, yeah, we're flexible, but this is what the pay is if you decide to do it like that. Is What You can turn it down,

right? You can turn it down, then you can say I don't want to do that.

Right. Alright, couple more. Yes. We're going to skip the one that had in there I really don't know but that was just kind of in there. This is this is kind of fine this all these crazy people on tik tok? I don't know why. I mean, I'm on tik tok way too much so that's probably why. But we'll do that one.

I am so mad just started doing doordash this was literally only my second order ever. I get that I have to go to Walmart to pick up for doordash Okay, the Walmart employees bring out an entire grocery cart of groceries. Okay. And one case of water. One case of Mountain Dew and one case of root beer. I'm like, Okay, I get it in the car. I go to the person's place. Okay, I start reading the instructions on where to put this stuff. Okay, reading reading. Instruction say take it to the top of the apartment building on it didn't take me 123 or four, five trips to carry their groceries. Myself sounded like the damn squeaker toy from Toy Story by the end of it. wheezing. Okay, I know I know. That's what I signed up for over doordash instacart and to top it off for you


high energy

Yes, yes. I don't know what I feel. Yeah, I mean that's another thing that if you're listening to this podcast and you may be new to doordash it's not just food they do. Walmart they do Michaels I got an Michaels no that Yeah, I got a Michaels order today. It was like for $10. But it was two orders. I think Ben did a Michaels wants he's like don't ever do Michaels. It's never ready. It's never they don't know what they're doing. So I turned it down. But yeah, I think it's Walgreens like CVS, all that stuff. I would turn down a Walmart pink sofa. I mean, she obviously is new. So she didn't really know. But

she learned she


in doing that no more. Yeah,

I mean, that's kind of why we did this podcast. So to kind of tell people like we're not going to tell you all our secrets, especially if you're in this market, because we want to make money too. But we're gonna try to help you and say, you know, these things are, you know, don't do that. Don't take a Walmart on doordash. So, Alright, we're gonna do tip time real quick. So this is actually from Marissa she says, never deliver produce, that's good enough are the best that's available but not perfect. Unless you check with a member first strawberries are looking good, but almost over the edge, almost over the edge of overripe tell the member the strawberries are looking good, but will probably last a day or two. Is that okay? remain hard packages all have at least one brown spot. Just don't throw them in. Check first. Um, I don't do that. Well, I

have a lot of members when I do it. It's always up. Oh my gosh. Thank you. Oh, really saying that? Yes.

That's a good tip, because I'm

going out to chase your 4.7.

Yes, ouch. Yeah, look at Ouch.

Yeah, I mean, I do look at I don't just throw it in there because I bought in strawberries, or Megan has my wife and and she flipped them over. And you know, or like, the next day? They're like, what the hell? Um, I don't know. But do you do that every time or just only when there's a question of like, maybe quality like, ooh, they're not. They're all looking pretty sketch.

I do it for anything that's not absolutely perfect. If it's not absolutely perfect. I send them a text and let them know do you sew on it or not? Because they're paying for it. And it's different when you're shopping for yourself versus when somebody's shopping for you. You know what I mean? If you bring yourself home moldy strawberries, no big deal. Yeah, if somebody else brings you if you're a Karen, if somebody else is doing well, the strawberries she's getting a three point average or whatever. Yeah, I

mean, you got to look at your produce, at least I mean, like I said, I look at I flip the strawberries over I look on the edges and I'm like, okay, I don't see any mold or smokiness or everything. But

I'm surprised at how many people don't want things that aren't absolutely perfect to there's a lot of people who only one perfect produce

like that's why Megan Megan, we've done shipped a few times. She's like, I'm just a little pickier. And I'm like, it's okay. Like, I totally get that. But it seems to me I'd be like, that's fine. I'll eat it. It's Yeah, it's not the end of the world.

We had we had the groceries delivered last week. And another tip I guess is to make sure you read it in the instructions. It's about you want it my wife ordered a bag of apples. We got one apple.

Oh no. Oh, that's

awful. Did you guys get refunded? You can get refunded for that.

It was it was through my or so we didn't actually pay for it until the end. So you put you know he put in the order. But a pay for actual so we didn't wait okay to pay for the apple. But it was like Yeah, we got one apple

Did you guys share it? Did you cut it all off and ration it?

Usually the eighth the day

All right. Uh,

let's see. Yep. Last add and then we'll be moving on. Scrolling bar tax and accounting. This is the time we're gonna get so many Tax Questions. Yes for in January. Oh, yeah. And I'm already dreading it.

We don't want to ask and you're gonna ask scrolling worse?

Yes, Gordon Moore tax and accounting their local here to Grand Rapids actually, Granville 616-940-1045. He can help you wherever you are. You should use a tax professional it always pays out better at the end. Yeah, you can go to h&r block, you can do TurboTax. But the one nice thing about having an accountant all year round, you can shoot them questions. They're like, Yeah, I got your email and be like, Hey, what do you think about this, you know, is this you know, can I write this off? or whatever, you know, it's just, it's just good to have it done. I know everyone tries to save money, but it's worth to have a professional to do it so

I can only I can only say what I said the very first step before the very first time I ever used a tax accountant. I thought it was gonna be $800 and he found enough that well, she did found enough I got $2,000 back. Wow. Yeah, it is well worth it because you don't know what you don't know.

Yeah, it's amazing what you can write off for Uber driving I mean, the miles are huge for one but I mean, I write off my car washes I write off. I don't know if I'm gonna write off satellite radio this year because I've been you know, not taking passengers but yeah, car washes satellite radio mileage.

I don't bill

I Well, the phone bill gets a little weird. I actually bought a work phone this year for Uber and Lyft. So I can write that off but home office. Um


You're gonna get in trouble. You're gonna get audited. All right. Do it. Don't do it. Don't listen to yes for cost carton bar tax counter. Calling call. Oh, listen. Yes, sir. We are not tax professionals. No, no, that's Miguel is are you moonlighting? Alright, we're gonna do some Facebook shenanigans, and then we'll get out of here because I got a PR so bad. So I thought,

what was that?

I gotta put Oh, no, Pete. I got to take a purse.


All right. Does everyone know what wapa means? No, no. Yes. For you don't.

But now I say yeah,

no, don't don't No, don't say what it means.

Well, you're getting the picture.

Well, I'm not gonna. I am not gonna say it. But I thought that was funny. Actually, Ben contributed to this. And Bob stands for weekly Amazon packages. So let's see. Sam says no more carwash. Shut up, Sam. My car washes. Alright. So this is interesting. I'll let Marissa Take this. So can you read that or not?

Yes. Is Call me if you are outside. Don't just throw it on the porch. You didn't

want to use the swear words. You don't have to know the guy says effing. Time

by the way.

Yeah, effing Call me if you're outside. Just don't throw my ass on the porch. So if you look all the way up, it says customer requested drop off. Contact them after dropping off the order. Again, I wondering if these apps are putting that into just default and customers are missing it. You think that's what it is? Yeah.

But I always confirm with my customers too.

Oh, do you

know? I'm I always send a text mm away. Do

you want me to leave it on your porch? Jason 5.0 I can say Hey, he's

a four nine bro. Like, let's not get crazy here. All

4.9 that's out of 15 1600 yeah, that's

pretty frickin awesome. All right. This one? Yes. For you can read this one.

Yes, of course I can. So I took Lyft as a peasant tonight, the writer named Sharon took me to cyrillus on 28th Street and back home Hold on, hold

on. What is surreal is yes, we're,

I'm not gonna mention now. We it kind of everybody knows what

people do in Grand Rapids. But

what about people in New Zealand? So that is a store where you can buy grownup toys. Okay, so the writer named Sharon took me to surrealism 20th Street and back home so I can pick up some goodies that I ordered online. She told me it's her birthday today, so I told her to wait a few and I had no idea what to get her for her birthday. I brought her a silicone cake. All balls that is


kigo whatever. See, you have so much fun with this. Right? Okay. You're gonna give to me. She's smiling. A happiness was fantastic. Happy Both this year and see Yeah,

yeah, what?

You always give me these,

because it makes you embarrassed and it's hilarious. I mean, why would you if that is actually true that's super weird. Like you don't even know this person you're going into a sex store and buying like kigo

she just came from the store herself. Right? So that goes to the store. True. She had ordered something from in there to pick up until he went in the garden man. Additional, you know?

Yeah, but isn't that weird? Like, Oh, absolutely. It

is on Amazon. Yes. I mean,

again. I guess he's got game and he's comfortable and doing that. But man, that seems so weird. Like Sam has given me like production tips and telegram. And I'm like, like, I really can do anything about it right now. Love you, Sam. All right, last one. So this is kind of funny. It says me getting into Ober. Hey, how are you? Me getting out of Uber. Good luck with your custody battle. There's no way the courts won't be able to see what an amazing Mother You are you stay strong. Amber, I love you. I mean, it's like we're bartenders. You know what I mean? Like the conversations that you have. It's just, it's just so funny. Yeah. So, uh, well, guys, thank you so much. I know this is kind of a longer show than normal. But we had a bunch of other people on. And Miguel, thank you for coming on. Marissa, do you have any any closing tips or say tip your ship shopper?

Yeah. Tip your ship shopper come to your pickup orders on time.

Do you think Marissa, you need to take your husband's advice and stop doing those damn pickup orders?

I know you're right. I do. I do.

He tells you.

I've always listened to your husband. I wait, wait a minute.

Well, guys, thank you so much. This is actually the last podcast for 2020 for us. So this will get this audio get posted on Monday. But we think everyone will still be kind of in and out of social media and all that stuff like that. But make sure you join the diet bet and you can check out our merge too. If you want to get a T shirt, we would really appreciate it.

Merry Christmas to all

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year. all that fun stuff. Be safe, wear a mask, all that good stuff. So come back next year.

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That's a weird word edited those out so sorry, I'm a little rambley. So yes, if you want extra perks, an extra podcast a month merge and the pre show banter for $10 a month that would really help us out. So if you go to slash gig econ podcast, or if you just go to patreon and then the search bar, Google or search gig economy podcast, we will pop up. Alright guys, enjoy the show. Hi, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. What's up? Thank you so much for joining us tonight. super appreciate everyone tuning in. Hopefully got a quick peek of the picnic was super fun. It was pretty great fun. Yeah, that drone footage is really nice didn't have as many people as we would have liked, but you know it is what it is with COVID and those are the kind of things and still did it. We still did it. Yes. So it was awesome. Is this two people on YouTube? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So tonight the the studio sponsor is Irvine's auto repair as always in Grand Rapids high but they also sponsored the picnic, and we appreciate that. If you could do me a favor. We'd love for you guys to watch on YouTube and subscribe. I've been you know like and put the bell to get a notification also to get all of our stuff if you want to download the podcast you can go to gig economy dash podcast comm that's where you can download on Spotify or Stitcher I don't think sitters on there but anywhere you get podcasts you can do that or if you're having trouble finding it, you can just go to the website geek economy dash so we got Sam yes burn pee. Boo boo boo boo boo. Whoop whoop. Just means celebrations. Want to say real quick. jump over to Irvine's Facebook page as well and like that page don't like that. Yeah, that's, uh, that'll help us out too. Yeah, that's a good day. They had a kind of a bad day today. One of their loaner cars got smoked, smoked, what even word is mocked. So yeah, that would be great. That's a good idea. I should encourage people to I wasn't It being loaned at the time. Yeah, it was out as a loaner. But the person was was fine. No, nothing happened. So well we don't know that. It says so. Right. Oh, does it pictures was fine. Okay. Well, we don't know that. Yeah, I was making shit up. I was like, do we know that? Right So, story since last podcast. We had somebody join our group. I'm not there yet but thanks for jumping ahead. No Do you want you want to run the show? No. Okay. Go ahead. You've already interrupted the lineup up children who join was above that so go ahead. No, no, it's fine. I don't have any she doesn't want to say it. It makes them uncomfortable. What the name No. So we did have a new person join the group. Her name is Cass whole data tell us name like castle. Oh, it's at our username. Yeah, I know what a castle we I'm assuming it's Cassie. We don't Andrew don't actually know. But yeah, you can join our telegram group it's in the description in the Facebook page, click on that link and you can chat with us and have inappropriate gifts and whatever it is a very adult group so if you're very few of those Yeah, if you're offended easily Jason hasn't been much there. So this year a few of them now writer Yeah. It's been better. I mean, I did share footage of a cannon shooting it down at a but earlier so did you I did. Okay. So that would be kind of funny. It was. I'm a little I'm a little thrown off by the boob gifts. That one kind of little like might be a little inappropriate. But you know, as long as we put out the warning that it's adult, right adult NC not nc 17 No. That means there's nudity. There's no pG 13 def No, it's definitely our it's usually pG 13 Okay, it's our fair enough. So no stories. I am actually planning on going out this weekend. Sam, you have anything going on? You've been working this week. Um, I mean, I worked on Monday, Tuesdays and Wednesdays are just garbage. Yeah, they're pretty garbage. So yeah, I just stayed home but like I started Amazon back up to three routes. And they were all very good. Good. I got lucky. Yeah, really lucky. Good route, like good as far as pay and route. Yeah, they've all been 23. And then, like, the one was two packages, not that far away. So I was done 25 minutes. And then I got to Norton shores route still on 45 minutes early when I had a jennison route and oh, and in two hours. I mean, everything is good except the Norton shores because that's a little bit of a draw, considering I'm 45 militarily and it was the end of my day. I had done enough grocery shopping earlier in the day that I was done. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I did I don't understand Amazon i gotta tell real quick I got I got a package today out two cans of deodorant like like aerosol spray and there were two different packages it was the same order order them at the same time that you were the exact same it did come in two packages at the same time. You know what probably happened? They probably someone like that. I'm sure it has a machine that does it that either drops it in and seal the top and they're like crap, we need it too. Why'd you just buy a twin pack? Well, I thought I did but oh it did it didn't show too but whatever. When you select like the delivery option on Amazon where it's delivered later and last packages, it still comes in like six pack like it. It's two deodorants in six pack and now No Okay, is it some some assembly required? Yeah. Anyways, I'm gonna let everyone know I have terrible allergies so if i sniff I'm sorry Sam already yell at me once she's like you can't do that but I'm already on the struggle bus and we're like six minutes in so I'll try to mute my mic. And hopefully that helps but yeah, he's on YouTube. Yeah, cuz we didn't go to twitch. We're only doing YouTube and Facebook tonight so alright, let's just talk about Irvine's real quick before we get into it. You can call him at 53266 6600 I got no sound There we go. Yeah, or Ryan's calm and like yesterday said go please go like their page. Follow them. They do actually put some interesting blog articles out just about repair crap. So I mean, just like I mean, they talk about all the cool things they can do. No, Jason meant to say. I didn't say they're crap. I Just saying repair crap. Go to Irvine calm or to schedule, you can do everything online. They sanitize everything. In fact, I had my car and on Friday when I went to pick it up, Jamie brought it out with a wipe on it and she had already wiped my keys. I didn't wipe the loaner keys off when I handed it back to our way. Even when I went had them at the beginning of all this nice little magnetic hooks on the door. Yeah, they still do. He's up there. You didn't talk to anybody. Well, it's funny. I tried to go in there and the door will get out. The door was locked like that. What do you say? Yeah. Speaking of door keys in the door. Have you guys seen those privacy keys? What are they like those things you can put? Like a hook? Yeah, it's like a hook. Have you think about those. I mean, it's just kind of a as long as you sanitize after you're done. I mean, what's kind of a weird thing to have? No, it's a little hook you can put on your keys. Hearing right? And so instead of you using your hand to open the door, you you hook hook the door and use it to open with or if you push it in, there's a side of that thing you can actually use to push in with. So you don't have to have a whole door handle that turns like I have to call people Captain Hook. Sounds like a lot of extra work. Just wash your hands. Yeah, but we also be washing our hands more anyways, so but I have seen those enemies. I'm not saying I'm gonna buy one where's the if anything I needed to buy the commercial. Good. Yeah, you want to do an ad spot for them? Apparently so. Alright, so we're gonna jump right into the gig economy news. And yes, we're gonna we're kind of gonna bump a story up because we're talking about Oh, yeah, California hot news or the allophones. This week here. We want to preface by saying this article is seven days old. Yeah. And there was some new stuff. Coming out yesterday and it's all kind of up right now as to whether or not Uber is going to leave California and Lyft. Well, yes, rideshare drivers in general. But anyway, so this article goes here Uber CEO says it is its service will properly shut down temporarily in California. If it's forced to classify drivers as employees. I saw something today real fast on this, that they were talking about possibly franchise exactly at doing the franchise models all of us are, well, they're not then I had that article for next week because we ran out of room But yeah, I read that. Yeah, they're not they're no longer contract. franchise owners. Hey, if Ubers gonna make some money, they're gonna figure out a way to do it. Good luck with that, that'd be a lot easier for you idiots. Plus, I mean, wouldn't they be required to give drivers a lot more flexibility as a franchise owner? I don't know necessarily. They can pretty much write the rulebook. So exactly how we want to do to allow them to use the Uber brand as a franchise. You I didn't read the article, but did you read it read? No, I'm just wondering if it's legit, or I don't have any deal on EBS. But who knows, but it was just yeah. Wouldn't be kind of cool. Like, you'd be like a fleet owner. Right. So I would own the franchise when only a fleet owner if you wanted to, and you know, they depends on exactly how they write up. I mean, a franchise owner doesn't have to be, you know, geographically specific. So you don't have it's all about who owns the franchise, they can write the rules about the franchise. So this is why the one number one reason why being a franchise owner is a terrible idea. Why get into an accident? Yeah, because then you're liable. Well, no, we have a huge insurance money. 100% Yeah. On the hook. Yeah. For all legal. Because if you're a franchise owner, that's your business. Well, you don't think corporate would No, no, I don't think they can. Now. I don't I don't think I don't think we can for the insurance right when I was part of a franchise of a restaurant, train, train chain was everything anything legal that happened to our franchise was just here was just our franchise now anything that happened at a corporate level they would cover okay, but if one of your drivers like schmuck something that's out of your pocket, hmm. Well, maybe we don't want to do that right now, I would say anyway is the key point of this article is Uber would like to shut down temporarily for several months if a court does not overturn a recent ruling requiring it to classify its drivers as full time employees. We know that part. Oberon rival Lyft, both have about a week left to appeal of eliminating injunction granted by California judge on Monday, though, and this is again, this was last week so I just about up over why they have to do that. And if the appeal doesn't work out for Uber We'll bang on voters to determine its fate in voting on proposing 20, proposition 22, which would exempt drivers for app basement petition and delivery companies from being considered so they're just waiting on a ruling. And if it doesn't happen, then they're pulling out tomorrow. If it doesn't get overturned, yes. Then they have to pull out and I think it is tomorrow. Well, they don't have to, but they're Yes. Yes, because they Yes, but they are they'll be forced to call them employees, and all the other stuff. Now, the article does talk that talks about the CEO was talking about a third model, where both Uber and Lyft would would pay into a pool that the drivers could use could pull could pull money out from based on how much they ride or how much they drive. So it's kind of a middle middle game, like the one the big thing to drivers. One is they want health insurance, they want benefits, right? And so they can kind of pull out based on how much they drive they will be able to pull some of that money out. From this pool, so that would be like a third, third model. So the The question is, and I know Jason, you said you talked about we are you and I actually talked about a little bit. I think maybe you said you and yes, we did as well. But what happens to Uber and Lyft? If they pull out of the biggest state? Oh, the thing, the thing they like so the thing the article mentioning is that it's actually coming on a pretty opportune time because that the the riots is already down crazy much in those areas. So nobody, they don't really think that it's gonna affect Uber or Lyft. Very much, it'll affect the areas and the remaining people who are out driving will be shafted. Right, exactly. But um, you know, did I share an article or is that for? it? wasn't an article about that. Maybe I shared that on social. I think maybe I should have done it for the podcast that Uber Eats is not going to be affected by this. Yes. So Uber Eats is independent of Uber rideshare. But how does that it's still, it's still they still do that work? I don't know. I don't know, either. I don't know where I did with what the I've seen the articles on the lady's pages a few times over the last few days that the Uber rideshare was sued, but Uber Eats Uber Eats was not sued. So you can you can stay being an Uber Eats driver, right right now. His delivery drivers, I think have different regulation. I don't I don't know why. Well, I thought no, because the AB five was supposed to be for like it could be for strippers, like remember that wasn't a 1099. Right. Well, that's Uber Eats, right? I don't know why it is different for them. But for some reason, or Uber, it's just not fighting for their eats division right now. And they're gonna let that happen. Yeah, when it comes because that's not that, you know, maybe a big enough chunk that they care about. I don't know. I don't know. I have to find that article. I just tried to log into my So Daniel Daniel is on Facebook and he's writing How can California be the biggest state? If according to local drivers, I've been proven they make, they make if lucky $150 a day. He says Dana says I made $200 a day and I've been wanting to jump to 500 so as the number of drivers exactly that sheer saturation of drivers, so so both Lyft and both Lyft and Uber is from California This is that that's why they started so obviously that's why they've been the longest and and it's just yeah, this exact the market so saturated, there's so so so many drivers that their driver per capita is much higher than it is other places. And we saw that in Grand Rapids, which is our market. Oh my hands. Let's do that again. Now Disney jumped in was awesome. Oh, that was just sorry. Oh, My gosh, I'm sorry. So am I good? Grand Rapids is a medium sized market and somebody is bringing up the Chicago is next but but Grand Rapids we saw that ourselves before COVID there was way too many drivers right and and that was an area where a time where there's just yeah, unless you're driving in the most opportune times there's just no rides. Yeah, it was rough especially in the summers. I mean, it was just it was was always weird when there's no school students and stuff. I still remember the guys who would who would they would camp out of the cars. Yeah. We've been there like all day sometimes. I mean, I guess if you hate if you're retired, you hate your wife. I mean, I guess you can just sit out there and I can clean your car but a golf, play golf mini golf around there at that point, let's just call fair marriage advice from Sam. Economy pod. You're talking about what what was it? What's that? Oh, Ashley Madison. Yeah, that's what it is. I am that scared the shit out of me you guys I'm really calm. How come Did you have an account? No. No the noise? Oh no. I was not will sponsor you though you can or you can sponsor the show? No, I was so intently listening to you. And then when that came through, I was like, did you see me? Literally? Jump cuz he normally does but it was fine. My question is what do you guys think? Like with prop 22 do you think voters are gonna be like yeah, we missed our ride share. I don't care if they're paid fairly or not like let's just get our rideshare back. I think they will. Because if, if Uber I can't believe Overwatch or the rideshare companies are actually going to stop giving rides I just so the person at this article says It ends with that talking to one of the one of the politicians anyways, he said basically the into the quote saying any business model that relies on shortchanging workers in order to make it probably to make it probably shouldn't be anywhere, whether California or otherwise. So I mean, the thing is, this person seems to think that they're shortchanging the riders. And again, I'll say now when I told you at the picnic, I think it this is the drivers that has it all wrong. Yeah. I mean, no, you don't want to be employees. No, I say Uber could have avoided this. They would have kept the number of drivers in the market right and not cut fares so dramatically, to fight with Lyft they could have prevented all this from happening. Right? their drivers were happy for a long time. Sure. Very happy. What what what happened is all of a sudden, Uber did change. rules and the drivers didn't like that. Right. And but but the problem was, it wasn't anymore. Like the good old days, where people was easy to making hundreds of dollars in a night or whatever. Yeah. I mean, I still remember some people who start out earning an average. They said, you know, in a weekend they would make 567 hundred off. Yeah, just on a Friday and Saturday. I mean, when I had a good weekend when my comfort Yeah, I haven't. I would do 362 5375 in finance, and I thought that was pretty good. Yeah, I've had, you know, $400 Fridays and Saturday. So the Excel option, right there not every weekend, but they happen. Well, I have two questions. One, can you change your name to come for queen? No, no, no, no. And then who says Who doesn't? Or who's saying that all the drivers want this? There's probably a lot of politicians that are lobbying to I'm sure there's a handful of drivers who I have who have legitimately been shortchanged and yeah, have valid reasons to be like, You know what? I just want like insurance. I want to do this full time and I want insurance. But I don't think the majority of drivers feel this way. No, I don't think so. So, so again, going back to Facebook, Ted lobby, I'm hoping I'm not killing your name. Sorry about if I am. But so he's and he's asking is Uber, paying their drivers a fair wage? And then Daniel says, I'm wondering if he's answering the question. He said, Maybe he's answering one of your questions to me about Yeah, they could have prevented it pay fair pay to show the work we put out. I'm a veteran, I can't work but the VA doesn't see rideshare as a job, more of a gig. So they allow me to make as much as I want, but as long as I'm not employed. Oh, so, Paul. Well, that's the government for you, right? I mean, here's the thing though, Daniel. I and I know this is a damn dangerous topic. I think we all have paid I think it's fine. Yeah. No, I don't know. It's millo minimum. Minimum rides should be fine. Our take home should be $5. At a minimum ride. I've always thought though, decide when you want to go out, right? Yeah, you decide when you want to go on when I was driving, I was I would average unless it was a very, very poor weekend. I would I would always average $30 an hour. I can't see that as bad. I wonder how many of the people who have complained about this. So I think the people who wake up at noon and try to drive from like, noon to, you know, six o'clock and like I'm not making any money. Oh, yeah, I'm sure a lot of its drivers who don't have an optimal hours. But at the same time, if Uber wants us out there driving during those non optimal hours, there needs to be adequate compensation for us being available to them so they can make money I get during the bar crowd, they have no problem staffing those hours. I think we're fine. Uber could easily fix this by charging the riders a little bit more. Yes, I do too. Because if you look at the difference between an Uber fare or lift fare and a taxi cab fare, there's still a very large difference. Sure, you can easily make up a lot of money and they still almost double right their fares and still be cheaper than a cab and more reliable. It's still trackable. On the app, you have a convenient cleaner. Well, here's the thing, like yesterday was really in tune with business and it always says like, you can't be a bottom feeder. You have to raise your rates. Yeah. Are you gonna lose some people will of course you are but you're making more money. So that's okay. You can't just always be on the bottom and expect to be successful. I mean, like, during the daytime, they might lose some money. But I think when it's busy, I don't think it's gonna matter which one costs more people I want to go home, right, especially at night. Yeah, it's $5 more $10 more people don't care, right? Don't go home when I was driving, and I agree 100% when I was driving, I would drive Friday and Saturday, right? And I started nine. And I ended 230. The night way I know if I'm not, if I don't take, if I don't take the last two and a half hours, I'm not gonna make that average that I want. So it we all we talked about this a lot. A lot of it has to do with being smart when you drive. Right. And it has to do with knowing your market and being good at what you're doing. You can't just sit out there and turning down the rides because you don't think it's worth the money, right? or whatever it is. You got it. You got to do the work. Yeah. So could we get paid more? Absolutely. And could they raise the rate? Sure they can. But I don't think it's such a bad model as it is. I guess that's my point. Right. So The guy who's not driving what, right, but my main recommendation I would have for Uber is just start capping your drivers. And I said that I said that all along time works. So you can guarantee you can guarantee earnings just by limiting the driver pool without a dime coming out of your pocket. Right? And what people maybe have to wait 10 more minutes for their ride. Right? Why? And the thing is, too is if they kept two drivers, they would also be and this is part of it, right? That would be a more constant search, right? And we would have that problem solve that you said, you know, if there is more constant supply and demand if there's a time where and we could actually trust that the supply and demand model is working. Then in the timeshare in the night with fewer drivers on the road. Then the search would push for Preston ride the ride fare up and you'd get more money are you but you're okay with Uber like capping the drivers during the day. To keep that's what y'all were talking about. Yes, Lord. I always said candy gyros. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Even if, again, I don't, I wouldn't be opposed to having like a scheduled system like Amazon where you sign up, you want to work from nine to 230 on Fridays and Saturdays. That's when you get to login. And that's it. I mean, I've always thought that great way to cap drivers. Yeah, it is. Keith says, How about paying by how much experience you have and orating the problem with that is is the people who've been here, you know, for 234 or five years driving, right and have good rating, good experience are going to be heavily favored and somebody who's trying to break in will have a hard one. And and the other thing too is the shift we need. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Another thing is we, the drivers would need a more control over the ratings system because there's still too many passengers, riders. Just call us bullshit, right? Yeah. Drivers, I'll start with the five star rating and it takes some time for that to go down. So you may have you know, 492, which is pretty solid rating, yeah. Anything above before nine with a lot of rides, but maybe I think that could easily be overcome. You could just say that one once you have 200 rides on the belt, now you switches to you will switch to the rate that depending on your on your on your rate, if you will, but the rating system definitely will have to be improved. Yes for that to happen. Because right now it's a it heavily favors the riders. Yeah. And now the drivers, it's always I mean, if you look at a regular business model, they always favor the customer over the employee. Oh, sure. I mean, I can't say my work does, but I mean, smaller, smaller businesses can trust their employees better to know that you're being honest and that they are an actual business like with a storefront. You have things on camera. Yeah, the customer was actually wrong here. You did everything right. Yeah, there's not a freedom we have because Uber won't even review our dashcam footage. They will I I'm telling you, we I have a side hustle as well, why sell stuff on eBay? And no matter what, the customer is always right in his system. Yeah, they're always gonna get their money back the customer, they will always grant the customer that money back even though they write in stuff and saying it's my fault or whatever. They will end up getting their money back. And it's just I use serious. No, there's then you have to refund them. Yeah, it comes out of my money and I have to pay them. I have to pay them back to ship and ship it back to me. And I have no control of it. Uber just decide not to buy eBay. eBay just decides. Oh, wow. I mean, it's ridiculous. Those big companies. I mean, the customer's always right. Well, and that that who pays the bills? The customers do so that's why I why I pay $350 a week to use the month to use eBay. Yeah. That's gross. We'll use an platform there's no other bowl then you better start designing well and I am and I'm growing and growing my platform but that's the part of it right yeah. If you want the easy and if you will then you got to tie into stuff like that right? Yes, probate calm No it's not. Alright, let's wrap up these comments and then maybe move on. Sorry about that a john says 600 rides got deactivated for being under 25 on Lyft I don't I don't know. I don't know what that one's under 25. What, right sir? Daniel says I 110 1026 1036 Drive and on an awful lot through the years. That's why I love love it I work when Yeah, he works when he's at his downtime. Again, if you're an employee, you're gonna have to you have to work work a schedule. So, yeah, I think we have, I don't know. Well, I have about 4000 rides. Jason would you have a probably around there. I haven't looked in a while. So I mean, that's roughly where we are. I had no three to $4,000 If you didn't know Yeah, why Yeah, but that's because you are full timer for a while. You don't have more than game games you have more prop it doesn't stop and are tight in our like Grand Rapids group games got the most rides of anyone so did you ever get the 10 grand? What was that? Oh, yeah, he got a 10 $10,000 check. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, he's got 10,000 Ryan What was it? Do you go yet? 10,000 Nice. Yeah, you had to have like oh, I get your Yeah. He might have gotten something but he was full. So Daniel, no, I didn't point out all right, to say that we are the master. That's not the point. The point is, is we've been kind of doing it for a long time as well. And and we have seen that we have seen the price models change. And I remember saying when you first went from the percentage surge to the flats or if you are like scared about it, no, I thought, but it really wasn't that bad. Because they do actually bother to increase that flat rate right when it's a appropriate to do so everyone thought it was the world including I know tell us they were going to do that says plus four. You could still get plus 25 if you're going to hell and like, so that changes things right and then but let's isn't really doing some of these. Still there right. So all right, let's move on moving on. No, don't say sorry. It was a good conversation had a lot of good little chatter about it. So doordash has launched a digital storefront which is kind of like what was go puff, puff puff go What does that damn thing that's supposed to come and Grand Rapids? Yeah, does it pop off go? So not here. It's still not here. It's basically an online convenience store. Chips ice cream spices, packaged food. Condoms, sex toys. Oh, sorry. I was just mentioned Larry thinks is caged out with over finally. They can only dry. Oh well. No worries perfect now. Yeah, so yeah, there's gonna be about 2000 items in the dash Mart warehouse associates pick up pack the orders and deliver then delivery workers known as dashers. Come to collect the order and deliver to the customer. So I think it's great. I need to see more of this. I I am so lazy sometimes that I want a monster and I'm like, I don't want to go to the store. I mean, bitch bring me ice cream whiskey. I didn't say here, even though you hadn't said it. I probably did say it in my head. Probably. But yeah, I mean, what a great little service. I'm so they rolling this out nationwide. I think markets probably partner 1800 convenience stores. Virtual storefront comes a few months. Oh, it's a virtual storefront. Yeah. They're still giving it all from like CVS, I think but you're just ordering. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I think I read that wrong. It says your friend. Yeah, but it says they're essentially micro fulfillment centers that carry around. Okay, so like a little a little warehouse. Yeah. I don't know why that stuff stopped. Oh, sorry, let me rephrase that the move into virtual storefront comes a few months after doordash partnered with convenience stores. So the virtual one was like CVS and, and this is sorry, I should have read the whole paragraph. So did you read the article? I breeze through it? I breeze through it. So read my article this push the button beat don't push any buttons. The only button you can push is you know, so if we loosen up our buttons. I'm wearing nothing with buttons, so I'm just gonna pull my pants down. Alright, so the first video of the night Jasper's and you want to describe it? Sure. So it's a video with a driver and a writer of course and the writer. Yeah. It's a video well Didn't you know it was a second pause? It wasn't 22nd but so we'll just see that the I guess the right term is to write a texted driver. Yes When I were talking about before the show and he thinks that drivers a dick, but what he said it's not doing him any favors. No. Indiana Jones is even wearing a shirt is unbuttoned down to his crotch. Put your mask on, man. Excuse me. Over there. You need to be out of my car. I'm not kidding. I'm gonna cancel this ride. Because I don't like the way you started it. Well, yes, it's either site man pickup, pickup out, decided that the site had less cars on it. Please leave shirts on budget. I will soon as you get out there you go Danny Okay, there you go. I don't want this right get out yes sir I am Wow, that's a shitty thing to do. I'm so glad that that's all on camera. So I like is kind of embracing your inner spirit me. Yes I am. I just think it could have easily been avoided. That was it he like he went from zero to crazy and like no time and it's just I think he knew he was in the wrong spot too. I kind of got that feeling like I don't think we do you think He wasn't wrong spot. Me Well, I mean if you're across the street Yeah, I mean we're better if I'm going north on I own yet I'm picking up a hot hopcat hot cat hot Cat Cat I'm gonna park. I'm not gonna do a U turn. Yeah, I mean, so I guess it really depends on you know where he was at and, you know, lab but but no, I mean I've had a passenger who like I was dropping them off across from wealthy street theater. That's where they were going yeah, I dropped crap on the other side of the road because that was the direction we were going and she got pissed that I didn't go around the block to come back and drop her off two feet from the door. Right? And I was like, see ya, like get out like you can cross the street. It all depends on the road if I go pick up bad rumors, I do a U turn on division because five lanes of traffic Yeah, and I would do that too. Yeah. pialba in front of you must know what the real comment or the real talk about is how deep of a shirt he had on like it was on button down to his belly button. He We're in this weird hat. But Daniel did say he went from high to to go screw you really quick. I think he was having a rough day and that guy to set him off because that's the radio like power guns. Yeah. The guy got in the car with attitude, right? You already know you're like, Well, once it attitude though, I didn't think it was the passer. You were supposed to be over there. Like Thank you. Hi, let's just be done with it. Well, let's face it, it was the mass stuff that started it because he didn't quite have this mask up. And the guy's probably like when he put a mask on and put something on at least not that you should have to be told to know I mean, that's the rules, but I don't know. I don't know. We're never gonna I think it could have easily been avoided. Yeah. Now what we should say at the end. Danny was an idiot too, right? Cuz he ended by throwing whatever it was hand sanitizer. I had him. Yeah. And it shouldn't be scored an atom too is that yeah, that's what it was. But it's like Larry said he had the woman asked him three times if he was going to rape her. Oh, I remember that. That was so weird. Oh, I remember him talking about that. That's so. And Larry is such a good family dad. He would never rape anybody. Hey, oh, oh, but she didn't know that. I guess that was a weird thing to say. Yes, for. Thanks, Jeff. All right, Pete, you're up. All right. So this is a picture of what would you do? What would you do? And for those of you who are listening to the podcast, it's a guy with a backpack on and he's got a very large non Jason Please tell me what kind of gun This is because I have no idea. It just looks like an AR 15 looks like an assault rifle. 15 It's not an assault, right? I didn't say I

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Yes, yes, yes. So we've before we get into the gig economy news tonight story since the last podcast I know it's been a little lame lately, just because none of us have been working. But Chris has been working and I have been working. And even Yes, PR has a story tonight. So yes, we're once you get into your story while I'm kind of getting myself situated, and we'll kind of go from there.

Sounds good. So we, as you all know, and I got a little bit of flack for this one from Jason. I gotta say because I kind of through it. I'm a very, very last minute, so I apologize, Jason, but last week, let's post our last post. Oh my gosh, last podcast. I wasn't here because we actually ended up doing a surprise. Like a quick trip to Tennessee. I was Supposed to be a quick trip anyways, but then, you know, everybody knows the comfort vehicle, right? We have the comfort it died. It did it transmission went out, we coming down the mountain, we've been up in Tennessee up seeing there's a spot you can see on a good day you can see seven different states by day at the top of Smoky Mountains and and coming down that the transmission went out. Oh, it's just it was not a good it was not a good feeling, man, all of a sudden, I was a big clump. And we started not going very fast. So we kind of kind of get in first. And that was it until we coasted all the way down the mountain. And at one point we had like 15 cars behind us just honking at us. That was real nice.

Oh, that

that's got to be like tons of pressure. Like Like, it was

horrible. Because there's there's no signal right in the mountain. So it's like, it's not like we can pull into the side and get it get it get a guy to come to us because there's no way. So I said no, no, we had come we're going down. We're going down. So once you go back into Pigeon Forge, you pull into the first part of it good. And then you figure out how to deal with it. Yep. True enough. After we called six different auto shops, you finally found someone who had time to look at it because everybody else was scheduling 10 days out. And again, I was in a two day trip and Tennessee had no intention of seeing a doctor for two weeks. That's crazy. Yes, it was ridiculous. But long story short, we were able to leave that Friday, three days later than we was originally doing. And the guy who did the job did a great job. He found me a used transmission put it in and did a really good job at it. And we got back home. So those are all great things. And luckily we have some some things in place that that Yeah, can end up costing us 3000 miles we didn't want to spend But hey, that's what happens. Right?

Right. So I'm glad you made it home safe. Thanks for can't thanks for scheduling vacation on frickin podcast. We

Yeah, I know. I know shit. That's

all right. We had Pete he stepped in with a pink shirt. And he he he did a great job. We're gonna misspeak. Um, so yeah, I'm back to working full time doing gig work. But the problem is, is this week spent a little sketch today was not good at all. And I think it's just because it's around the holidays, maybe food delivery was good tonight. But we had the podcast. But yeah, I things have been going well, it's it's been a different kind of schedule, I actually don't get up in the morning and drive passengers. I definitely just started lunch about 11 to about two and then sometimes to get an Amazon shift. And then I go out and do food delivery at night. And honestly, it I've been able to hit my goal every day only working about six hours. So it's been kind of nice. It's actually a different switch from last year. I used to get up at like five in the morning and do passengers. And that's just terrible. So I don't really have anything that right off the top of my head that's happened. I did a little shift for a while been doing quite a bit of amazon flex. But nothing really has stood out that I can talk about. So what about you, Chris? I know, do you?

What is this stuff you can't talk about?

No, like nothing like been crazy. That's happened. It's just been, you know, just kind of normal stuff. I mean, a few ship customers that were boujee. But other than that, nothing big. But Chris, you are driving packs and doing food delivery. Do you got anything? Any stories or what's been going on with you?

So Monday night, I picked up a guy second week in a row that I got him. And I'm like, Hey, I think I had you last week. He's like, Yeah, I did. So he's like, hey, do you mind if we stop at the speedway on the way to work like that? No problem. And so pull into the speedway and he runs in and he was getting some stuff for to take to work with them. And guy comes out and he's kind of comes over to the side of my car. And he's like, Hey, he's like, Hey, can I call my wife? I'm like, I guess I said, He's like, yeah, I've been walking, trying to get home. And from my work and my wife, I don't have a phone and I can't get can get my wife and or girlfriend. I forget what it was. And I'm like, yeah, you know, I'll give her a call. I said, you know, it'll be on the speaker here in the car. Just kind of lean in and you can you can hear so my packs is inside and he's getting his food. I dial up the number he gives me and it rings close to voicemail. And he's like, yeah, that's voicemail. I'm like, okay, didn't sound like voicemail sound like she was kind of talking to him. And he's like, No, I have this voicemail. I'm like, okay, so I hang up a call again. And and he's like, you know, she's, I don't know, she doesn't have the phone or the kids got the phone or somebody got the phone. And I said, you know, can you give me a ride down the process. So this is 36 and Burlingame, and he wants to go down to Prairie and I'm like, yeah, you know, I said, Well, I have a passenger. I said, if it's cool with him, then, you know, I'll take the passenger to work, and then I'll bring you back to your house. And he's like, nah, nah, go ask this other guy. So it goes to the pump and ask this other guy. And, and he kind of my passenger comes out, I kind of explained the story to him. And he's like, Well, yeah, I'd be cool with that. I'm like, okay, so start backing out. And I could tell that the other guy wasn't going to give the guy the guy that was asking me a ride. And so I roll down my window. I'm like, Hey, you know, if you need a ride, we can I can take you because he said it was okay. Yeah. Like, Oh, that's awesome. And then my passengers like, well, I'm really early. Like, if you want to, you can bring him first and then bring me to work. Damn. Like, yeah, I said, I said, it's on your dime. I said, it's, you know, because it's the right is going. And so he's like, Yeah, no problem. So I'm like, Hey, you know, get in. So I bring him down and bring him to some apartments off the prairie. We pull and he's like, Where's my truck? He's like, my truck is gone. My truck is missing. I'm like, I you know, I don't know. Yeah. So he's, he's like, this is weird. He says, My truck is gone. And she's not answering. I'm like, you know what, it's not her problem anymore. Get

get the hell out of my car.

So, so I bring the passenger, and he ends up working over by 36. And Roger B. Chaffee. So bring him on over and he's like, yeah, you know, I'm glad you were doing that. It's really nice and all that, but I just don't want you riding by yourself with this guy. That's nice, you know. And so I'm on the way I was explaining to him about another passenger I had or not passenger, but I had a food delivery and I'm walking into the store and this guy comes up to me, he's like, hey, Kenny, this is 28th Street. And Patterson, basically, there's a kiddo go over there. And he's like, Can you bring me to Kalamazoo? And I'm like, Kalamazoo. I'm like this. This is like an hour away. He's like, yeah, yeah, I'll pay you some money or whatever. And, and I'm like, I don't know. I got it. I got this food delivery. So I go inside the Cordoba to ask about this. This guy that's been sitting outside waiting. And so this is a whole nother story, right? So I'm asking the people in qdoba, the employees, the manager, I'm like, Hey, what's the story with this guy out here? You know, is he been waiting there long? What's it? What's the deal with them? And they're like, yeah, we didn't even know he was there. I'm like, Okay. Well, in the meantime, I'm inside getting the food. The guy comes in, and he goes in uses the bathroom comes out, why come out? And he starts getting on my case, like, Well, you know, well, I told you who I was, and that I needed a ride. And that, you know, nobody believes me and anything like that. I've been working here all day, and I just need a ride down to Kalamazoo. I'm like, Look, dude, I said, Just Just take it easy. I said, You know, I had to kind of do some verification of who you were, what the deal was. And I said, I said, tell you what I said, you know, I'll bring you down to Kalamazoo. I said, but I gotta deliver this food first. He's like, Oh, you do that. For me. I'm like, yeah, just said, all your stuff in the back. So he throws the stuff in the trunk. And I, he gets in the car with me, and I go drop the food. And down the Kalamazoo, I go with this guy, and he's just chatter in the hallway and say, guy, you know, I was working for this guy. And I, you know, asked him to either put me up for the night or, you know, let me give me some money to get back to Kalamazoo, there's no buses, there's no nothing. And nobody was willing to take me or anything like that. And, you know, he says, I'm a Christian. And you know, I got this going on. And that going on, I'm trying to get things back on track, and I'm working and doing that. I'm like, you know, whatever, dude, I just want to keep you down there and drop you off and do my good deed for the day. And so I got him dropped off and started heading back from Kalamazoo and just finished off my night. And this other guy, the first guy that I picked up, you know, before telling him this whole story about the other guy dropped him off. And he's like, he was really grateful and and like me helping out other people as well. So that was kind of,

yeah, that's good. You didn't so you didn't charge him for the ride. You

did it for free. He gave me like 18 bucks. But you know, Kalamazoo ride should have been about 65. Yeah,

well, sometimes you got to step up and do those things. But you do have to be careful too, man. I can't believe you picked up that one guy. You're way nicer than me. Like Ben super nice, too. I'm just like, Get the hell away from my car, bro. If you don't if you didn't, if you're not the customer, I don't really care. I mean, I'll call the cops for you.

I know. I you know, so I weigh my words. I'm weighing my good deed thing for the day versus you know, making some money and and sometimes you just get that little voice in Have you gone like, you know, this guy needs a little? Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's more than a good deed for the day. I think you've I think he wrapped up a week with that one. So, right.

When I said don't talk my radio

Yeah, I don't know I don't have an ox cord. Don't touch my radio.

The guy did ask to play his own tunes and oh, for now. Now,

you sit back and shut the hell up. You know?

65 bucks. You can play on jazz.

I'm okay. You know, I'm kind of like, what do you got? Y'all want to hear if you got something new? He's like, Oh, yeah, I get new stuff. And I didn't like it. But of course never.

All right. Before we get into the news, I just want to shout out you know what, one of the things that at least I'm thankful for, for the gig economy podcast is our Patreon. And so I want to just give a shout out to them. Keith from Georgia who's been around for a while Janet from New Zealand, Leo from Detroit, Larry from Bowling Green Samson from Grand Rapids, Miguel from Grand Rapids, Kevin from Grand Rapids, and Ron g from San Francisco and Michael from Ann Arbor. So thank you guys.

Run, run D talk at all. I'm not you know,

Ron G is I don't know anything about him. He's not in the telegram group. He is just a Patreon member. But he's a new one. And he get on telegram. It's

fun to hear you guys from other places. Yeah,

yeah. And, Ronnie, we

know what tomorrow is gonna be like, from talking to Janet. So I know. Right? That's

the cool thing. Yeah.

Um, but also, I want to just promote our last show, we had a bonus interview that the Patreon members got first is a new app called, I need a hand with Michael, who's actually a Patreon subscriber. So he subscribed after we did the show. So it's not like he did it. So we would do the show. I want to clarify that. He just loves us so much. But yeah, check out that app, we're actually going to be featured in that coming up in December, and they're gonna kind of come to Grand Rapids. I won't explain all what it is. But the link is in the Facebook description. You can click on that and download that show. It's about a 30 minute show. So

it's a really cool app. It is like the concept.

Yeah. And he's not he didn't do it for profit. So you'll you'll hear my shocked voice on the interview. like wait a minute, you're not trying to make money on this. He's like, No, I'm like, okay, I don't know where to go with my questions.

He wants to take people to Kalamazoo.

Yeah. Yeah, call Chris he. He's up for charity apparently. All right. We want to thank our studio sponsor Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid. I was just there yesterday I got how this how it figures right. So yesterday, the Amazon routes are just popping like all day, surge rates and today dogshit and my car was at Irvine's yesterday getting I had to have some with my heater wouldn't do defrost. So that was expensive. Just because the part and it was a pain in the ass to fix but got a loaner car from them. That's one amazing feature with Irvine's you get a free loaner car but call them at 532 6600 or go to Irvine comm to schedule I forgot to pop out the thing I got this whole stream yard thing is so new to me. There we go. There we go. Yeah, Irvine Zack, I

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I gotta remove it now there.

I know. I'm doing like seven more jobs than I normally do. Because the stream yard. Okay, where are we at here? First up, oh it to me. So I just want to get a disclaimer. There's some pretty heavy language in this next video. So basically the N word. Not that we condone that, but this is kind of why drivers need to be protected and you need to be on your game. So I just wanted to throw that out there before I played it, but we will play this video and then we'll talk about it and I'm going to bounce it out like a big boy. Your

Fuck you.


Filming saying that nigga continue saying that. What's the senator? Do you notice San Diego.

Do you notice in negress because I do Joe stop. I'm videoing. Stop, stop.

I'm videoing

you stop.

I know.

You have your license plate.

You should never take.

No You will never. You will never drive. Yeah.

You will never drive I hoppy. No, no. No. Just

put on my Mac.

Hold on.

Hold on. You're

so fucking stupid idiot.

Thank you. Yeah,

you feel good? Fuck you.

You feel good now? Hold on, hold

on. I'll feel better when I pitched

in here. You pitch in your car.

When I'm going to pitch in your car, do it.

Yeah, I'm not you stupid fucking.

Do you feel good?

Do you feel good? As you're recording recording him saying nigga to okay. He's done his job.

Thank you so much. Have a good

night. Wow, that was that was rough.

Some people um, so

a follow up. That guy did lose his job, which I'm happy about. But man, how calm was the driver? Like, I can't believe he's like, yeah, go piss in my car. I'd be like, I'd be jumping over the car. Taking that drunk ass down be like, yeah, kissing in my car.

But he handled it very professionally.

He did it. I'm glad he videotaped it because no one needs to be treated that way. And gosh, that was disgusting. And

one he also knew what not to do. Right cuz you excited? I mean, if he would have jumped over and he was they pick out what I heard him. Yeah. And so he did. He did exactly. The handling is wrong. Oh, yeah. But, but he would have hurt him. I mean, he was a big guy.

Yeah. Pretty drunk.

Yeah. So this is just kind of a just be always aware of your situation. I'm glad he ended because clearly that he ended the ride whatever happened before must not you know I must not have a dash cam. But another reason to get a dash cam. You can always it could it

could also be that he couldn't record it inside and he didn't want to share he's maybe he's in a state that doesn't have that. The two nodes you know, whatever. So who knows? Yeah. Buy out.

But clearly something happened in the car for him to end the ride. So yeah, that was but definitely I

teach your car use use it the rules and don't don't. Don't be like that. Alright, so

next up. This is for Chris. And stupid screen. Let me do this. I can just read them. Chris. That's fine. Your old man eyes. Do you think some of these are meant for you? Cuz you're driving Pat passengers right now. And yes, for an IRA. Do you think the driver app should show other drivers? Like the rider app? Meaning I guess meaning like, you know where the other drivers are? But what are your thoughts about that? Well,

I flipped back and forth. Sometimes I don't maybe you guys do too. Yep. We used to. Yeah,

I but but what

I did that the other night because I'm like, why am I not getting any rides, but then I took a look. And I'm like, Holy cats. There's like four other guys right around me. And it's like, well, no wonder I'm not getting us. And I was in the so the Grand Rapids they give us a zone at like nine o'clock at night. And I got in the zone. And I'm like waiting for, for rides to make an extra I forget 12 bucks or 18 bucks for two rides in a row. Right? And, and I'm sitting there for like, 20 minutes. I'm like, Okay, this starting to not get worth it. Right? Yeah. And so I thought, well, let me look and see, well, I ended up there's like four or five other cars, right, you know, in the area. So I just got out of there, I moved to a different spot in the zone. And, and then I got a, I got a ping. And it was over in the Granville area, and she canceled. So I went back to my spot, got a ping again. And same person. She canceled again, I got a ping again, same person just canceled again. So I was trying to get my first ride of the two in the zone. So then my second ride, it could be wherever, you know, to to complete it. And then I was just going to be done for the night. So that's i was i was Yeah, that's why I used it that time.

So would you would you think would you benefit from having knowing how many brought drivers are around you at all the time or?

I think so. Because so you guys probably have also seen too with if you have Uber axon and you're moving into a surge zone, then the surge zone starts going down as you're moving into it. If you can see other cars that are moving into it, you may decide, you know, maybe I'm not gonna go in that direction because it's not i'm not it's not worthwhile. Yeah. I mean not not that you're chasing the surge anyway, because It's just bad idea, but sometimes you're close enough. And the other thing I'll do is I'll turn it Uber x off. Often I did, when there was not as many drivers out as there are now, I was running comfort all the time, and hardly Uber x. So I can go into a surge zone, get up to five to $7. In, you know, once I get up to five, I'd throw the Uber axon and and I take an Uber accept, you know, with an extra five bucks on top of it, no problem. But even now, though, I will, I'll turn the Uber x off and use my comfort to get into the zone and then turn that Uber axon. Once I'm, I'm in on a, you know, five plus ride. So, yeah, I

think I think Uber would want you to know, because they don't want everyone clustered in one spot anyways, especially if there's no rides, they probably would rather you go, Oh, I'm gonna go, you know, three miles west or whatever.

It isn't a surge zone supposed to help move

drivers around that. That's the idea, right? But whether or not it actually works, or whether or not Uber using it to their advantage, or who knows, one thing

I've thought about trying to do, and I don't know, if you guys ever thought about this as just watching the app for a day, and seeing where the surge is more most frequent. You know, it's like, okay, off, you know, in this particular spot, it's always surges at this particular time, you know, and so then you could know, like, okay, at two o'clock in the afternoon, or five o'clock or seven o'clock at night, whatever, get in, get in this area, because you're going to be guaranteed a certain amount. So, you know, you could start there or whatever, you know, just or if you happen to be in a particular area, you know, that like, Okay, get over here, and you'll be better off. Yeah, yeah, I

think it's a good idea to do that. Although I may get a little. I mean, for us strategy, guys. It's okay. But it may get a little cluster II on the app, if you got all these cars, and you're like, Okay, where do I go? But I think I early on, he used to flip back and forth. But then it got to the point, I was so busy when I was driving. It's like I didn't even really need to worry about strategy. But,

ya know, lately I well, until I would say in the last couple weeks, I haven't had to use the old strategy. Mm hmm. because there hasn't hardly been any drivers out. And, you know, because I was like, Uber Eats. I mean, it was like I was getting orders all the time. And, and then drivers to riders, people were people during you know, June, July, August. They were so so thankful just to get a ride. Yeah, that was kind of cool. So

cool. All right. Yes, we're going to talk about insurance army. This is, which is this is frickin ridiculous. So let me get to

it. But there's no way it's right, though. Yeah, I don't it's gotta be gotta be a mistake.

I mean, make

it better not be. So the thing is here, they what it says is the premium for the rideshare policy will be $32,482 for 12 months for the initial payment to start off 5524 followed by 10 Auto drafted monthly payments of $2,695 and 84 cents. If you'd like to move forward with the pause, you have any questions, please email me back. And I'll reach out to you within 24 to 48 hours.

Well, the ridiculous part is that is that they not like did they not proofread the email when you know, before they sent it? Or? Or what? Like, it's just like,

a shout out my butthole before? Well,

I mean, Hey, why

don't you think a lot of that is automatic, though. And it's just simply a mistake.

Yeah, it probably is automatic. I mean, everything is auto they just plug in the numbers in a soft piece of software and zip. You know,

maybe it's even because he's not maybe it's spelled based on his driving record. Right. And, and it's because he's so high risk that they want to make the money and who knows. I mean, that's,

that's pretty ridiculous. But

algorithm company came out with like, $32,000 in rideshare. Insurance. Yeah, no, let me just not drive and just,

yeah, then I'll make more money.

I know.

All right. This one, this one's kind of cool. Bear with me. amazon flex rewards. I was pretty excited about this. They've really never done anything. And Kristen, Jesper don't do any flexing, but a lot of people do. And I do a lot of it. And they kind of have a card, debit card, but you can earn up to 6% cashback and that's the most I've ever heard of. Now you do earn points. And it's a three month term. So obviously you have to do a lot of blocks. And that's how you earn your reward points for like how many packages you deliver. I think you get Like a point per package, and then you get like 100 points per blocky pickup. But uh, yeah, I mean, I think the only benefit for me would be the the debit card. I'm not able to use the Uber one. We've talked about that and less times, just because I still don't know what is going on with that. But the the funny part is, is the amazon flex is using green dot the same company that Uber is using. So I may run into the same problem. But 6% I mean, that adds up. That's that's pretty good kickback. What was Ubers? Max? Five? I

think five? Yeah.

Apparently you can get like priority access to scheduling blocks, but I don't take blocks at minimum anyways. So it wouldn't be, you know, it wouldn't be beneficial to me. But yeah, I thought that was I thought that was amazing. Very interesting.

I think it kind of just speaks to the changes the constant changes in the gig economy. And though what are they always continually trying to do to get new people signing up for for doing the services and, and just kind of keeping people on there? So yeah, it's, you know, it's constant change, right?

Actually, we

don't have a tip tonight, but I'm just gonna say it now that just popped into my head. I couldn't think of one. Here's a tip. If you're an amazon flex driver, and you're new. Don't take the blocks at 18 an hour, they will go up? I promise they will. And if you take him at 18 you're gonna drive to Kalamazoo an hour one way. So you got two hours of driving. Plus you have to deliver your route for $18 an hour?

Mm hmm.

Not good. Not Yeah. Yeah, honestly about it. It's a cycle. But every three months, they seem to hire new drivers. And they all take the 18th and then they kind of figure out the game. And then then all of a sudden they're all surging again because everyone knows and then they hire more drivers. And then it's like every three months it's a complete shit show. So

Oh, accident over there. today. prime prime van got hit and Walker Walker in pulling on the 96 Oh, really?

I think he was still loaded to Oh, man. Yeah, well, we have an article tonight about another prime man. It's like two in a row. So before we jump in the next article, I want to talk about oil Luber, which I got to switch over and make

it mega, big, mega

mega Berg. Just want to thank them so much for being a sponsor of the show. And they sign up for another three months. So if you guys are interested in changing people's oil, or

all the other service, yeah, the jumpstarter jumps up

in the food fuel delivery. get her done, sign up, go to oil And get signed up. You can also get your oil changed. I'm I'm waiting for my oil to be changed. So well. I'm not due for one yet. That's what I'm trying to say. So I can use their service. But yeah, go to oil as a customer or to sign up as a tech. We can't thank them enough. I think they have some news coming for someone. They're partnering with somebody that we kind of had an interview about. So I'm super excited to see where that's gone. Yeah, for sure. So all right, let's get back into the screen. There we go. Yes, for you are

talking about Lyft and how they want to enter the food delivery market.

Well, why are they waiting now? Like now they're like, oh, by the way, we're not making any money even more because the pandemic maybe we should do something else.

Well, so that you know, that's basically that's what the article is saying that you know, in the ever three month exercise and how much fun they are losing known as a quarterly earnings call. sf based rideshare company Lyft reported losing about $240 million in the third quarter, which is considered good into the can Valley terms. Oh, and Lyft stock is up.

I sold my I sold Nicholas I bought $5 of each and it was just it was like negative 46% on like the return and I was like I sold it for like almost two bucks.

My Tesla is still through the roof. So that's what's scaring me right now. So anyways, so basically they're thinking about getting into it and they think that they have a way of getting into it without without even costing the traditional two to 3% of food costs for the restaurant, so that's pretty interesting. It's not surprising given that Dubai spin off has been Uber's only financial bright spot during the pandemic. And Silicon Valley investors do love copycats. So that's what they're saying but the the writer of the article does mention that Lyft currently has a have a relationship with grubhub and think that if lifts do enter this market, they can probably kicks that relationship goodbye. So you know that that kind of go in if they're gonna enter into a, into an agreement, do it do it? Yeah, I don't do it food delivery, that's probably gonna go against what you know, kind of be a competitor of grub hubs. That's not really gonna make much sense. So did I

miss it? If you read it, I was doing something else. Not that I wasn't listening, sort of. were they? Weren't they gonna like do less fees for the restaurants? What was it wasn't?

That's exactly what that's what they're thinking. And so lift thinks that they have a solute solution offering lower delivery fees, and maybe even no fees at all, based on trade publication babalawo, saying that, what's happening to us on in times like this, when they sell food on a platform like Uber Eats, they get charged 20 to 30%. They lose 20 to 30% of their revenue to that platform. And so lifts thing they can do that much, much cheaper. That's how I was thinking about, you know, they normally charge a certain percentage of the food cost.

I wonder, I wonder what doordash is fees are? I don't ever really hear anyone talking about I feel like they all have to be somewhat similar.

Yeah, I don't I don't know. Exactly. But I do know that we are talking about one thing that we talk about lately is showing the three times I've been out doing food delivery. The three times? Yeah, I know. We talked about why. It's never it's never worth it. Right. I don't care.

What are you talking about? I make my living on food, mostly food

delivery? Oh, no. And I know, but for me, I just, I don't care enough about it. It's just, I don't it's Yeah, it's one of those things, I just really don't even enjoy it. But what I was trying to say is, one thing that we have regularly seeing is that sometimes the platform signs up restaurants without even signing up the restaurant, right? So they will list that restaurant. And then you have to go buy the food or the food, buy the food with that special card. And then at that point, Uber and Lyft are then just getting, you know, selling in adab prices.

Yeah, I do

have a story about that make making money that way, right. That's that that's one way they've been doing. But But restaurants don't like that at all. They don't


Several the restaurant that no one's doing that. They say no, we're not doing that.

Well, here's, here's what I don't understand. So I had an incident. It's a restaurant called chubbies. Don't ask me why it's called chubbies. It's over by metrohealth. And Byron center. Well, I guess that's Wyoming. I went there during the day. And I think it was like during the week, and it was fine. I ordered the food forum. Normally I order on the phone, but for whatever reason, I missed that this was an order and pay. And so I drove there. And so the next day, I'm like, it's the weekend and I go to order and she's like this is for Uber Eats. And I said, Yeah. And she's like, well, we're not participating. I said, Okay, well, I was just in here yesterday, and there was no problem. Well, the, the owner doesn't want to do it. So we kind of gotten a little bit of argument. I was like, I want it it was a good payout. So I was like, we please just make it for this time. And she wouldn't do it. So I was very fussy. But what I don't understand, I know they little they lose a little bit of quality control, right when they're having someone else do it. But why wouldn't you in this pandemic situation? Why wouldn't you want to make as much money as you can and get your food out the door? As much as possible? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they really have an emotion

they really have. So I don't think they're losing anything when we order it from them. Right? That cuz there's nothing that they're paying for on the plant? No.

So it's a win win. Oh,


Yeah, I don't get it other than not being able to control where their food goes. Right. So if they get a bad review, um, they you know,

so I feel I'm speculating very strongly that Uber Eats is using advertising dollars to try to get these restaurants in through that system. Yeah. Because the payouts on doing that particular type of delivery are phenomenal.

Yeah, I love doing those if you can roll over to the side of the road and order them. I right away, if I as soon as I get an order, even if I'm going to deliver another one, I just pull over find a, you know, sidestream call, order the food and keep going on my way. And by the time I get to the restaurant, it's usually ready to

go. Yeah, it's, uh, but I think what they're going to do is come back to the restaurant later and say, Look, this is what you've done on this through our platform. And you need to sign up, or we're going to just cut this off. Ooh. Right. Yeah. Let's say they're getting 20% more business through the Uber delivery platform. And then Uber comes back and after a while, and so Look, you know, why don't you sign up? This is we have proof of what you're doing. Yeah, this is how much money you've really made, because we know what your cost is and where this is. Yeah. And if you didn't have our platform to do these deliveries, you wouldn't have made this money.

Yeah. Right. And they would have to No, notice the spike. If a restaurant is keeping track of their numbers like they should. They'd be like, why are we? We make it like 15% more a week, like what's going on?

And I don't, when I do the order, I do not say anything about it. I actually order under my name. Yep.

I've learned my lesson to not go in a restaurant because and then I don't bring my bag in there either. No, yeah, I just leave it in the car. I just like it for Jason.

They like, there you go. Well, the only problem one I had was new Halloween night where I picked up a belt line bar order. And then when I came out to the car with the delivery, the app got every day had a bad night. Yeah, had a bad night, and Halloween, and it froze. And there was a car next to me. And I was trying to find out where to deliver the food. And it wouldn't go to the next stage. And the guy in the car comes next. And he's like, yeah, we're Ober eats. We've been stuck here for half hour or whatever. Figure out where to go. And I actually ended up calling the customer to find their address and ended up from beltline, bringing it over to Stan Dale. and was able to drop it off. The app was still froze, I just kind of like quit using it for the night went over to lift. And but I didn't have I got my money for because I had to pay with my own car. Yeah, I got my money for that. But I haven't gotten any money because it was a to ride class. So I was supposed to make like an additional 12 or 18 bucks. Okay. And it was a second ride of it. I was in a surge area, plus the delivery costs. So I haven't gotten paid for that yet. And I've I'm in the process of finishing that. And that's been since October 31. And today is wow.

Yeah, yeah. And I know today they had a there was an a couple of Amazon servers down. So grubhub was having trouble shipped was a complete shit show. I guess they couldn't process orders. There was no communication. So yeah, I as well have paid for an order that I thank you for bringing that up. I'm going to check later if they finally paid me because I did get paid

today. I think there needs to be they need to do something different with that, because I need verification somehow that, you know, it supposedly is on that particular ride. But I need to know like later on that that's been covered. I don't know how that Well,

yeah, it's weird because I send a screenshot and say I paid for it. So how do they know? I

mean, they know I've actually had I took pictures, I had the receipts I had, I wrote down on the receipt, the address that I delivered it to Yeah. And you know, the permit number and I asked the girl's name and I you know, I said, Look, I'm having problem. Problems with this. If you could please verify with Uber that everything has been covered up if in case they come back to you. So then I had to also show that I paid for it on my credit card statement. Okay. To over Yeah, I'm

sure I'm

never really quick. I'm paying that back. Because on their honor app that says Don't worry. We will pay Yeah, we'll cover that. Yeah,

yeah. So I have to follow up with that was only $18. But I'm not, you know, I need my money back. But so

they send out that card now. All right. So you have a new book right now a debit cards, you can use that to pay with no right?

Yeah. But for swordfish has one too.

Yeah, they all do. grubhub does, too. Yeah, for some reason. I've never had it. But you know, last week I went to a pizza place and it didn't work. And then of course, you look like a douche canoe because your card was declined. You know what I mean? I can't even afford an $18 pizza. Yeah, know what I mean?

Twice. It's like, it's not my frickin card. Oh, I didn't even have brought it

twice. I was like, Okay, here's my visa card, like I wasn't

gonna stand there and have run it over, then I'm using my card that I can get some airline points on to so well, I'm gonna use somebody else's money. I'm gonna get some points for me.

Well, they got to make it a little difficult to get your money back. Right? Because otherwise you would do that. Right? You would just every order you'd pay with your own card if you knew like, they would clear it that night. And you'd get your money back. Why wouldn't you do it that way

get rewards. So yeah, but what they're doing too is they're adding it to your total right? So you look at your dollar amount and you're like, no, wait a minute. I have $91 for that food order from sushi place was not my money that I made. This is right, you know?

Yeah, you got to keep keep track of that stuff. That's another tip too. If you're out there and doing stuff, keep your receipts even if you paid through Uber and then you know at the end of the week after it pays out then I would pitch them. But

yeah, you just got a pile receipts, you know, and I'm like, yeah, you never know. You can use those as your your receipts for tax purposes you know, hey, nope,


yes for said that he doesn't represent the gig county podcast without payment.

It was a joke. No, I would never know. I know.

All right, moving on. So

credit card statement.

Right, right. Right. So this is kind of funny whether it's fake or I don't know. For our audio people, there's a like a $7 $8

I think I delivered that to your house Jews or excuse me, sir.

I'm a once a month are over here. Okay. So that, you know, and we do missionary we don't do it that way. So

you would tell us Yeah, right. I would.

So there's a tip of $8. And a note says, Please leave food here on the step and their stick figures. They're going to town busy town. And it says Don't interrupt

balloon animals

balloon. What

is a very famous radio show in town and every time they talk about that, they say they do balloon animals.

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I

didn't know that. That's funny. Oh,

yeah. But uh,

yeah, that's, that's pretty hilarious. So again, don't know if it's real or not, but it's still freakin funny.


All right. So yes, burrs got a tick tock video. Well, this is more just kind of a, it's kind of a feel good video, right? We'd like to put these on sometimes. And just we talk about how we're bartenders when we're driving people around, and sometimes people just kind of open up to you. And you're like, you got to be ready for that stuff. Because sometimes it's super emotional. So I'll play that video, and then we'll kind of talk about it. Let's see if I can

say, Why do I have to play the video?

I know, I know. Shut up. Like a tirade, like, I don't have enough to do. assholes.

I'm driving for Uber. And so this guy gets in my car. And he immediately asked me to play country song and I was like, Okay, I can get down some country. I grew up in middle fucking nowhere, Ohio. I like country. We're good. Let's do it. And he was like, oh, where'd you grow up? You know, like, small talk. And I told him and I was like, Yeah, I mean, it's it's probably not like as bad as like the rural south. But it's I mean, it's still pretty conservative over there, whatever. And he was started asking you like, how it was growing up with parents that were conservative, all this stuff. And I was like, well, it helps when half your siblings are gay. Haha, as a joke, and then he starts crying. And he was like, I think I'm gay. Oh, my God. Don't tell anybody that. Oh, my God. I've never said that before. Please don't tell me you got it just sat in my car for an hour. Because I'm the only person that he's ever told that to before. And we're getting coffee on Sunday. So

please don't tell anybody. No, let

me take coffee on Sundays.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Are you getting coffee just to chat or, or? Yeah, but it's just, it's nice.

I'm working this out. We have coffee with me. Right?


Man, I'm kind of kind of in between. But that that does suck. If you are. I can't believe in today's age. You're like, you feel like you have to be like, hold that back. Like if you're gay. Like, who gives a shit? Like, I mean, I feel bad for

those families. But it's just not you don't talk about stuff? No, yeah. It's this whole, the whole concept of coming out is still a big thing. I'm pretty convinced. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially in the African American community.

Unfortunately, unfortunately. I have to say, unfortunately, because yeah, you know, people should be able to live their way they want. Absolutely.

What is your craziest kind of? I don't know what someone's told you in your like, Okay. I'm sorry. I mean, I've had girls cry. And I'd be like, yeah, that guy's a douche. You know? Like, I don't know. I'm like, she's probably part of the problem, too, but I can't think anything offhand. What about you? Yes. For Chris.

I'm sure. One, don't the only one that came to mind is is my is the guy after the concert. And he was a complete douche. And not that anybody ever told me but he was just a piece of work, right? Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. Nobody. I mean, often people would would do the whole bartender thing and and kind of tell me stories and stuff. But again, same time, but quite often you just try to say a couple of words. And then you know, the years right and, and move on. So it's mean, I don't know. Nothing comes to mind. Nothing really comes to mind.

What about you, Chris?

Oh, gosh. Where do you want me to start? Well,

let's not make it a 10 minute story. We still got a bunch of articles to get to but give me the short version.

So one time I picked up this gal and like, picked her up at a house and we're driving along and she's kind of quiet in the back and We're kind of, in a sense, something was not right. and ended up she was had two houses and was trying to get rid of one and we're just struggling with it and didn't know what to do. And so, you know, I, you know, have a faith. So I'd like being offline, maybe we can kind of work this out for you a little bit and so kind of talked her through it and she ended up just bawling in the backseat of my car and yeah, go sorry. You know, I hope it works out for you.

Yeah, like when you're done, you're like, Okay, I you know, this is a good conversation, but get the hell out of my car.

So I did have a drunken nurse one time and that was she was a

she worked with kids and I know if I ever shared that video, I have a whole video so Yeah, I think so. We need if we get ever get john on here, he just talked about the cooter lady or the, or the hound dog. What was what was that? Uh, I can't remember. But he's got a great story about that about like, the the lady had married him three months ago. And she was hoping he died, or I think that's the same like, was that I know, I'm gonna struggle with it. But maybe when we get him on here, we'll

talk about you know, after a while, we get so many there.

Yeah, I know. And this happened. He told about this about over probably a year and a half ago. And

there's probably been a while 10,000

voice messages.

You never know if it's a real story from john.

I don't know. He is a pretty good storyteller.

He is a pretty he is that

all right. He needs to come to the you know, to the picnic one of these years or you can actually know who he is.

Yeah, I mean, I think I think we get him on here. Now that we're doing remotes for a little bit. He's got the internet. He's got a camera. He's got the equipment. So Pete said I had a girl I picked up downtown to watch her boyfriend smash your phone on the ground. I immediately pulled up and told her to get in and didn't even know she was my passenger. Oh, that's rough too.

How many times have had the one he who was it? The head the one that passed out in his car on the way out to Grand Bailey.

No, who hasn't had that?

I've had that happen several times. But

he had the cops and everything like come in at the gas.

No, that was Justin us. Hi, Justin. That was Justin. Yeah. But yeah, who hasn't had a passed out? Grand Valley girl. All right, before we jump forward.

Your Man you just specify judge? Geez.


I mean as a passenger relax

as a passenger.

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Christmas on my map mapping app.

Yeah, GPS. Yeah. Amazon's GPS is amazing in their in their app. It used to be sketchy, but it's really good. Now, mind you, I'm not saying that if you're in the boonies, it won't try to take you down a two track because I had that the other day. Where it said, I mean, you could probably get through it. It was one of those seasonal roads. But as far as like accuracy, like where the houses and everything it is spot on, so yeah, that guy had a bad day. I don't think it's as bad as the guy that went on the damn golf course. The last show, though, and frickin drove tried to drive under the bridge where golf carts go like a douche canoe.

I mean, come on, think? Yeah,

I that's just you. Come on. It's it's not a hard job.

What do you do that before?

I've gone the wrong way. Thinking. Yeah, but did you? Because you're following the map? And you have no, you know, no idea where the heck you're going. Right, right. And so I'm going, you know, I've gone down roads that ended up being dead in and it's actually the road over. That's the way you're supposed to go through. So

yeah. Sometimes when the roads are closed, the GPS can't figure out exactly where you're at. But yeah, we've all taken wrong turns for sure. But

oh, no, not because of them. often do you do wrong turns because of the map? So the map is actually directing you. Right. And you end up taking you following the map but a wrong turn, right.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're not bulletproof, y'all, so you still have to have your awareness around you. I mean, driving on a golf course. Idiot. So

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for Yeah, so yes, for let's talk a little bit about I know this is just local for us, but we thought it was kind of interesting.

The Bob so the bob is on sale. So it's for sale. We all we tried to buy the Bob and 20 Monroe live many, many times on the on the podcast and other places. And it's a big, pretty big venue downtown Grand Rapids, which you know, compared to California, it's it's a tiny venue. But but the the big old building, which is the the name of the Bob,

What is that sound?

Oh, Chris is pouring a drink.

Oh, there we go. Sorry about that.

He's got his pants off.

For me, guys. Anyway, so the big old building, which is what the bob stands for, as well as the 20 Monroe live venue, they're both for sale. And if you have that nimble sum of $33 million, we can buy both the buildings. Yeah, that's it as a package deal.

I mean, it's cheap. I think we're pretty close with our Patreon. I mean, we should just take that slush fund that we have

maybe one more page, just one

more, we'll push this into the $30 million range, and we can buy those bars.

But yeah, no, I think it's pretty cool. I mean, we've had a lot of stories about the Bob has lots of stories. It's it's one of those spots that you know, people will constantly pick up in front of them even though there is no pay gobbling

nightmare, and

it is just a nightmare. And, and and yeah, was he? Yeah, we Yes. I mean, I would constantly ask people, you know, call people and say, Hey, you got across the street, even though it's it's a pretty busy street in the middle of the night or whatever. I'm not picking you up within for i'm not i'm not risking a ticket. And right, almost every night, we would see the police pulling up and giving tickets left and right. So

yeah, I definitely. I'd really like to see the bob change a little bit. Yes, we're and I kind of talked last week about it a little bit and said, you know, it'd be really nice for them to you know, like, maybe it wasn't yesterday, I don't know who I was talking to. But

I don't remember talking to you about. It was somebody

so when it when it first happened when we were first starting to get tickets over there. I actually called Bob up and talk to management. Yep. And I said, this is what's happening and somehow something needs to change, that your customers are coming out, you know, out front. And that's not the place for we can pick up I said, you know, maybe you can talk to the city and try to get that as a designated spot. Yeah, pick up so we're not getting tickets. And the management person that I talked to at the time actually says why use Uber and Lyft all Hot and you know, I? That's terrible. I'm like, really bad. So,

yeah, I mean, they got to work with the city and you know, maybe that person you talked to thought it was bad, but then you bring it up to you know, the owners. They're like, yeah, we don't really care. We're not working with the city on them.

Well, and I know several people who who call the police and the police says there's nothing we can do. It's out of our hands, because it's done by the it's done down by the

it's a traffic line,

it would, the township has to decide that basically in making those changes, Uber, right, police can't do it. And and, and the Bob can do it. It's one of those things that they have to decide to put money towards changing that lane, as you correctly say, from a traffic lane into a pickup.

Well, and that's the problem, too. They didn't anticipate, you know, when they built that building, they didn't anticipate what who were left wasn't even around. Right. So

the builder was always there. They just restore it was an old factory.

Yeah, well, they figured people would just park in the parking ramp in that would be fine. But then Uber and Lyft came around and people don't want to drive anymore. So correct.

Yep. Anyways, one of our funds are $33 million guys. Anybody want to team up and buy the building was Come on. Let's go. Let's do it.

It'd be worth waiting the price go down. Yeah,

it'd be worth buying 20 mineral live I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to buy the Bob. I mean, clearly, they're hemorrhaging money because it's been closed. And they're like, I we need to get the hell out of this. So

yeah. Well, the Gilmore group is a really, really good group. Yeah, number of restaurants around the Westside Misha they own the 20

min row to

Yeah, okay.

It's the same company. Yeah. Same owner. They

don't that they designed it and everything. So

yeah, they definitely. I mean, that buildings not that old. So I'm sure I have. I actually

took Mr. Gilmore home one night. Yeah. Did he tip? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I forget how much but he did. It sounded sexy. It was it was a good ride. That's good. Right out to ADA. It was further out. It wasn't just ADA. It was it was a little bit further out.

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Christopher Cooper,

I'll play it again. I crystal. So basically, this is it. Let me stop it. So this is a an Uber Eats delivery and they're all been caught contactless. Mostly most people do that. I always when I drop it, I always knock on the door. Now this looks like somewhere probably in New York or somewhere where there's apartments on you know where they probably you'd knock knocking would do will do nothing. But let me play this real quick. And then we'll sorry about loading that. Go to guys walk by and pick up the food.

I don't like this. I'm gonna bring it

Why did they why you know what?

Why? I'm sorry.

Oh, somebody did leave it.

There you go.

I swear he said stupid ass right at the end there when they were driving, or when they were biking away. But yeah, for the audio listeners. Basically, there was two. I don't know kids or maybe young adults walking by and they saw the food and picked it up. And then somebody either the driver or the deliver. Somebody said, hey, that's not yours. What are you doing? And going back to what I said is like I always knock on the door. And then I text them. Like, each platform has a different way of doing it like Uber, you actually if it's contactless. You take a picture. If it's not, you don't have to take a picture because they're expecting you to meet the person at the door. grubhub no picture you just text them say hey, I left it were the delivery instructions said so.

I like the picture. Yeah, I

do too.

I've had people though, coming out the door and I'm taking a picture at the same time.

Yeah, I try to have my camera like when it says take photo as I'm walking up. I have it ready. So The second I take it out of the bag, I take a quick picture because it looks weird, right? You're like, why are you taking a picture of my food? But yeah, I so far, you know, Ben got kicked off that Uber Eats platform, which is very strange. He had like an 82% rating and I'm like, I'm 100% Why?

What did he do? Yeah,

exactly. I mean, how hard is it? You frickin drop the food off and you take a picture and you walk away? I mean, other than if you're like, stomping on the bag of food when you leave after you take the picture. I mean, other than that, like, I'm not sure what happened to the mascot. I don't know. I'm assuming day.

I think I got busted for that. Because

you did you get a complaint?

I don't know. I got it. I'm like, Whoa, why did I get a negative here? And oh, I've

never even I mean, I guess I can look

in my mark your mask on when you're dropping it off?

I do I do when I drop the food off.

Do you have it on in the car?

No. You're not required to. I don't have any passengers. So my food, my foods in a hot bag anyways, so I don't really need to worry about it. I mean, I definitely cough on it as I put the food in the bag. No, I'm kidding. anyone listening this?

Is that before I ask you to take the top?

off? You know, McDonald's?

You know, makes me wonder sometimes because it's like, you know, the Vegas sealed. Supposedly, most of them get on the package, right?

I mean, they kind of took it away a little bit they took away that used to be like remember, everyone was putting their groceries inside their. You know, their garage.

I know people that were like cleaning off every can be they were bringing into the house. Yeah,

yeah, definitely store right. Um, so where am I unmuted Chris because he's like, hitting the mic and driving me nuts. Where are we at? Okay,

yeah, to get power to his laptop, I'm sure. Oh, is

that what it was? All right. So this one is interesting. I actually had speaking of McDonald's, or talking about McDonald's but sealed bags, they seal everything. They put the drinks inside and everything. I made delivery today and the sons of bitches that McDonald's on 44th Street. I don't care if I'm throwing them out. There's suck every time I go there personally, or with my partner no 40 Sorry, I should clarify 44th and Granville, that my or that McDonald's sucks. But anyways, I'm like, he's like, he gives me the bag. I was like, Is it all in here? It feels a little light because it's sealed. You can't see and he's like, well, the tickets on the thing. And I looked at the ticket, had the drinks on it. And I'm like, okay, and sure enough, the lady texted me. And I had a good interaction. She was very sweet. I was like, I'm sorry, called grubhub they'll refund you she's like, okay, thank you so much. Now this interaction on the other thing, well read this. So it says this is your grubhub driver. I left your order outside of your front door. That's the standard text. Does no peppers mean more peppers to you? customer. I have no control over how they make your food contact grubhub for a complaint on your food. So so far fine. You're an idiot. The past customer. Again, no control over your food call grubhub whatever dude, call grab Bob if something's wrong with the food, learn how to read Okay. And then he drives like no hablo English. So, yeah, I, I understand people get frustrated with when they're corrected.

I hop off of Plainfield in 96, I picked up there and brought it to the guy dropped it off. He's like, I got the wrong food. I'm like, Ah, this is what they gave me. Yeah, call call call, I hop up. And

so I actually will verify the name even when they hand it to me before I leave, because a lot of times the name will be on the receipt and they're all different. If the name matches for me, I'm fine. But I always verify the name.

But like I said the name to the gal when I went into the hopper and picked it up. So I assumed everything was good, you know? Yeah,

I mean, some of those places do take out amazingly like chipolte Lee. It they rock it out, man. I never have to wait I walk in there. I mean, they are they have like an assembly line just for takeout. It's just like you doba

is there there are places so you know just talking about that a little bit. I went to Mr. burger last week on Saturday at Michigan. Mm hmm. And, and like, they need to figure it out. And some of the Taco Bells too. They need to figure it out. It's like you guys could make way more money if you would figure this out. And do like these other restaurants are doing because you suck Add it is your your your food is bad. You know? For instance like Mr. burger on Michigan, I don't know if the rest of them are the same they have they have the drive thru. So as a Uber driver, I had a colleague order and so I called the order and I got there ended up having to sit in the drive thru lane. Yeah, well, they were backed up, like all the way around the building. I'm like, great, you know, and so had to go through get to the speaker. I'm like, Hey, I'm with Uber. I got this order. Oh, you're that big order. Yeah. And I go up, I use my card to pay for it. And I'm thinking, what you guys need to do is have Collin orders, set up a table on the inside a, you know, A through F or whatever, you know, set up the different things like ketover does, and have people come in and pick up their order. So that they order ahead of time you got 1520 minutes to prepare it. Put it in the on the on the table outside people could come in, pay for it, take it and leave Uber drivers, Lyft drivers, grubhub whatever, whoever can come in and pick it up, pay for it and leave. They could do three lines out front. Like they do like chick fil a does. You go to chick fil a. They are frickin awesome. I'm sorry, the 28th Street and a belt line chick fil a, they have 40 cars there. I bet they get them through in less than 10 to 15 minutes.

Yeah, and what's interesting about chick fil a is they they come out to you like you don't even have to go and you just pull on the spot. And they're like, they bring like, I don't even know how they know. It's my order. They just come to my car. Like I was like what

the hell I didn't even know anyone is awesome for chick fil a is like, okay, so if you're going through the drive thru, they come out with the iPad, you order your food you pay for the food, they're your stock, if you're ordered it Yeah, you're gonna wait. Right, you know, but they get you through fast. Yeah. So you get your food right away. I mean, and it's like, okay, we need to figure this out. We need to know how we can get the flow going. So we can make optimize the dollar amount right now. And a little amount of time as possible. And this

is why No, no chick fil a has ever gone out of business because they got their shit together from from A to B.

And the kitchen is made for that. And you're not going to get the same atomistic burger. They have the kitchen. Right?

Yeah. Well, that's why.

Mr. burger, I understand what you're saying. Yes. Mr. burger, if you would call in your order from your house in your home and pick it up. You got 1520 minutes to put get that order ready. That's plenty of time. Yeah, plenty amount of time. And if you were sitting down in a restaurant, you would expect your food in that amount of time.

I wish McDonald's would do that. Like, let me come into the restaurant have a table there too. It's kind of the same thing like it. Or even

McDonald's. So they got they got the 123 you know, pickup spot. Mm hmm. So tell the Uber driver to go to one, two or three? Yeah, no, bring the food out here. And they could they could be so much more efficient with a McDonald's then

McDonald's is always slower, though.

Yeah. They don't have they don't have to be fast, because everyone will still go. And honestly, the lot of these restaurants with the pandemic, like, you better get your shit together or you're going under because people are not going to tolerate slower food. So

well, if they've seen the restaurants that are figuring it out, know how to do it fast. People are going to catch on. And if they're not if the restaurant is not understanding what the market is telling them, but you need to figure it out much faster than what they're doing. And they need to get a group of Uber drivers in there to talk to them and ask them what's going on. Get us in there. We will tell you exactly what you need to do.

Yeah, McDonald's wants to be a sponsor, the show will happily take their sponsorship money and we'll get that shit running. Great.

I work on that for you. Yeah, that would be great.

And another thing this is kind of a tip like when you're doing food delivery we talked about strategy for drivers when you're driving like one times ago. know those restaurants in your area that are shitty, like I tell yester don't take McDonald's yesterday, I took a McDonald's a day because it was slow. It was $10 and 50 cents. I'm like, okay, that's that's decent for McDonald's. Like that's a decent tip. I waited in line for 20 minutes at that stupid Granville McDonald's. Because it was already I mean, I literally

it was over 20 bucks. He would have waited. Yeah.

Well, it was ready. I got the notification. I grab up, they pressed, ready to go. And I still waited in line for 15 minutes to get that food. Oh,

and then it was a sure so they should tell you to go to you know, one, two or three. Yeah, we'll run it out to you. Yes,

yes, exactly.

I've also so the other thing I've wondered because they they often tell you just pull up to Window number, you know, the second window, right? Mm hmm. So I wonder if I could just bypass and slide in. At the second man, you're

gonna get somebody to stab you in the neck. I

mean, But they tell you that right yeah. So they're like just pull up to the second window.

Yeah. I'd be better off watch. Oh

yeah. Okay, so I picked up yesterday at the one on division at the McDonald's yo vision and ha Whoa. That there's that one and the what's the chicken place over there? Popeye's home? Popeye's chicken coop? It's like so anyway, I go into the McDonald's and I'm in a thing I get up to the first window and the guy's like, well, you can go over the hump and then drive around and then go up. We've we set up a window for you guys. Oh. And so there is a window division, the McDonald's at division and Hall. Mm hmm. There's a window for you. If you just go right around and you park in the spot and go up to the window and you you just you ring the buzzer?

Oh, you got to get out of your car.

Yeah. Oh, no things by No.

Not division Hall. But anyway,

let's move on. But But you bring her but you know, you give them the code and then and then you're on your way. Yeah, I have to sit in line and wait for right. Yeah, even with those guys there. Honestly, those guys there are word. Some of the nicest. They're like, have a blessed day. Have a blessed day. Oh, yeah. Have them in that that store where we're like,

I know I tease them. I tease the area, but I'm sure they were fine. No, I

know what you mean. Yeah. Like, try to stay out of the area like enter or stay in your You're watching 360 when you're

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I knew I was mad. Right.

I hope Emma's Yeah. So

I guess if you have a banana pee there, you got bigger problems. I'm just gonna leave it at that. This next one? Never in my life. What I have imagined that my hands would consume more alcohol than my mouth. Oh, that is so true. I am definitely like, every time I come out from a restaurant, I have hand sanitizer and a pump like in my door and I just like take a little hit of it, rub it, rub my steering wheel my keys and then go on to the next one. But yeah, my hands are getting so dry. I definitely have to put lotion on and then Yes, sir. This one's for you, buddy.

I yeah, sorry. I still don't get it. Right. But why did my Uber driver eat Ober eats driver send me a picture of me taking my food into the house.

I think it's just a silly, a silly little thing, right?

Oh, no, the guy. So the guy had to take a picture on the Uber app. Right? Yeah. And so he ended up going back to his car or going Oh, and the guy actually came out to get the food.

Yeah, I forgot to take

that where I've saw you know, people are coming out the door while I'm taking the picture. So there Yeah, picture.

Yeah, that's that's true. I never. I never thought about that. Now that thanks for Chris for explaining. Thanks for

expanding to he's obviously the Uber Eats delivery expert.

You know, I prior to pandemic, I quit doing Uber Eats Me too. I think I didn't know what this is. This is this is not worth it. I'm not worth You know, I'm getting berated by the restaurant. And yeah, the summers aren't tipping or doing anything I was making like two bucks. And I'm like, this is I'm not doing it. So I forget like three or four weeks into the pandemic. And I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna turn this on and see what happens. And it was,

I mean, it's gotten even less now. It was booming earlier in the pandemic. Now. There's still decent runs, like I almost everyone I get is at least $10. Although I did get a $4 one the other day to like, I mean, it was a close delivery. I'm like, I don't get off my couch for right.

So you know, you you interviewed me? What was it? August? I don't remember July. And I was like, Yeah, I don't want to tell you how good I'm doing. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's good. Now I've always done grubhub Uber Eats has always been the bottom of the barrel. Like even before pandemic I did grubhub in the winter, to supplement you know, other things. But yeah,

so what I find funny is like, okay, I do. So people will tip on Uber Eats I in every almost every delivery, you get a tip on

I've never had them taken away.

Never. Maybe I've had a few where I did not get a tip on but so when you do a regular ride, right, Uber x ride Mm hmm. You don't get a tip. Yeah. If there's even if you've got a frickin dollar every tip, I'd be happy.

Yeah. I think what it boils down to is it's always been implied if free delivery gets a tip. Like it always says, and and Uber taking people around is always such a new thing. relatively new. And when Uber started saying you don't have to tip at the beginning, it just that was just kind of the thing I've always joked about I get you, your human being from A to B and you didn't die and I don't get a tip. But if I you know, if I get my your cheeseburger there in time, like it took me 10 bucks. I'm like, I mean, yeah, and I and

I mean, you've seen some of the tips, right? Yeah. For over anything. Yeah, race and you're like,

some of them are nuts. Right like that. Well, that McDonald's run today. That reason I got it was like 1050 she tipped me 750 I'm like, kind of McDonald's run lights, like, unheard of. Right. So

so and and so the thing that bugs me though, is that Uber kind of has topped it out. Right?

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. But we got to wrap it up because we've been online for an hour and 25. And, but Chris, I appreciate you guys hosting. It's been great. I think next week as I possibly have Miguel and then somebody that's like a professional ship shopper. It's all gonna be remote again, but she's gonna chime in on some stuff. So Sam, no, Sam was coming in in January. But no, this is somebody that does a lot of it. She's been on Reddit a little bit. We connected on Reddit and talking to people actually talking to people that use ship as a customer, so it's been kind of nice to for her to be like, Hey, listen, this is what this looks like. So just remember your shopper is not you know what I mean? Just those kind of tips. Right? It'd be fun.

You get me back in January.

Did you sign up for two?

Yeah. Oh,

I don't know. I have to look at the schedule. I only work two weeks in advance. So And just a reminder, December 9 as our last show for 2020. We're taking the rest of the year off. Over thanks, Euler. Yeah, we're taking the lot the rest of the the year off. So enjoy your Thanksgiving. And we'll see you on

Thanksgiving. November night. Thank you. Thanks, guys.

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time? There's 20 people on Facebook. There's not nobody on YouTube. What did

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talking and

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wasn't me you know before the actual podcast goes out I actually go mute although it's only for the live

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I didn't I didn't know you to work.

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Oh, shoot. It's your mother got somebody on Twitch. We do. A rando. Oh no. That's Miguel.

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do you have to make it? I'd like if you want to make it explicit. I get it. It's like,

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Um, I mean, nothing crazy. No fistfights.

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No mask fistfights?

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No, honestly, everybody's been wearing their masks. Yeah. Pretty good I was a

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really nose yeah under the nose

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above the nose okay I was the Karen at the start of the day I forgot their mask and just walked in anyways yeah you were yeah you worked no oh just I was going in to get alcohol from my tubing trapped and left my mask I already turned around wants to go get my ID and I wasn't turning around again

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I ran back with my head down the entire time

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so nobody would look at me alcohol for your tubing trip. Okay, I just want to put that out there.

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Well, what do you do?

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Yeah, besides get sunburned anyways, I only have a little bit for you. I don't know how you didn't use your white

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No, I had a lot of sunscreen on because I forgot to do my back racist. I mean it's pretty thick but I didn't do my back so my back has some sunburn.

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Going tubing but my skin like I can wear SPF 110 don't matter.

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Yeah, no, I it wasn't very sunny on Sunday. Pretty overcast. Usually When it's cloudy, it's Oh, I still put it on. So I mean, but no, it was good. I mean, I, I don't know how to swim. So, yeah, it was a little concerning at first, but wow, no, no, no, no. I told mom that and she looked at me What do you mean? You

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her advice was just to hold on better.

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I know how to swim. Mom. I know how to swim and I almost died.

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And we were not at an MCU remember, but we did it again. So you don't

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wear a jacket rim and you brought alcohol.

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Haha. Check it out really good.

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Yeah. Good. How's it grown up?

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Brother proper safety here. Miguel said his car got stolen.

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Somebody said that stream keeps freezing for me well Get better internet.

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Yeah, he's probably on Twitch

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as far as

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like instacart is getting worse. So I've been doing shift Do you think it's because people are on appointments want to know

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100% of people who weren't working because I didn't really have to now have to and it's just flooded the market terribly. Oh, good. No, it's not over is like there's not a lot of Uber drivers but I bet you there's now like triple that there was and there's not the market.

Unknown Speaker 10:32
Yeah, well, I was even thinking about like driving again as long as like everything staying as is and it doesn't get I control but I'm not doing it till the college kids are back.

Unknown Speaker 10:41
Right. Yeah. Like I'll drive again in at the end of August when the kids come home. Do we even know the cars are gonna come back? Yeah, they are NC as of now. I mean, not everybody has to right but they're offering and seat

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right? Yeah, but I mean, a lot of them are gonna do you know, virtual

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like me, me. Going to like, school or anything like that, like a medical program like they're gonna be here.

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They still want to go to their apartment so they can get drunk.

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Yeah. Get away from mom and dad, right? Have a campus experience. Yeah. Like one of my classes was just changed from in person to a real time virtual and I'm pretty ticked about it.

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No. So Oh wow.

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So anything else nothing. I think I'm gonna go out this weekend. Nothing interesting. Maybe Friday night tips are getting worse.

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Well yeah of course Yeah, people are getting running out of money just because they're losing out on planning but also they've been paying all these tips all summer long to get in there at the point where like, I can't afford to keep Well yeah, dropping 20 2020 $30 tip

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every week adds up pretty quick.

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You know, the same people go to the bars still, you know, so

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well. They're not going to the bar now.

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Why not? bars are closed bro.

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Again, they've been close.

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I mean, most places if you

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70% Have your out. Yes. So every bar and green

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bars are closed like just bars like Mulligan's places like Stella's that are open are still closing early.

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But yeah, they're closing early but still so I saw last weekend.

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Mike up you're talking

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last week in those a story about one of the new bars down on the strip that had huge problems with just way way too many people. Down on bridge Street. What was it a

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must have? A social

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point, whatever the thing that's called,

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I know what you're talking about. Yeah, but they may serve food so

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okay, but after after eight o'clock or whatever they, you know, I can't think of a guess. I guess I'm only open till eight and nine to 10. But yeah,

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right. Interesting.

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Again, it's a lot harder to get

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drunk at a bar right now.

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Just get drunk at home. It's doable.

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It's just harder.

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So much cheaper.

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when you go to make your appointment they asked to

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Yep. And they're sponsoring the picnic. So you got to come now. So yeah. All right, the first video up. This one is kind of interesting. I titled his mask, asshole, but that's really not a mask issue. I don't know why I title it that way. But this one the guy has a partition in the back and it gets a little weird. I encourage you to watch this video after the stream when you really can listen to it because I think this was a plan from the get go with these guys what he did. I don't think this was he was mad at the partition. I think they were planning something. So well watch it. It's a little long but and then well, you know, three, four minutes, but I'm a positive in between.

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I'm really like you're like how well you feel about like the roof of your car.

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Give a man

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two sided double sided

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Velcro. So I put it with some rice right? Like how'd you seal that up?

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So pay attention to the guys in the back Don't look at the driver because either they got a plan of something. I don't know what it is. Well, I know what it is but

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you did that yourself. Yeah, I did it myself.

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Sometimes dropping man when we did is like perfectly straight.

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Yeah, because we've requested

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something like that. The guy's got a bad tie rod or something in the car to

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kind of beat. Yeah, sometimes I'm picking up like, the

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plastic that I'm talking about. Like When you're parked Okay, you got this for your like career like for you to drive a car and you put the car like you installed it yourself. Yeah. Really? So like you got this off Amazon and was this across here? Yes. It's so funny because it looks just like the last three free people that I like had in the backseat

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just like this

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same distance, same with all that stuff. So I think you're a liar.

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I should have cut some of this out well this is when the stars get in sketch.

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You get this

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high paying 25 value. Now you put a light on. Now you put the light on

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You open the door, man. No.

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Nobody's open to open the door.

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car so loud I know. Sorry for that.

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Samantha shut the

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See he's talking to him like he's gonna do something Ready he says ready?

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By the way, there's a kid in the car.

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between those two

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cars drive

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What happened to the kid?

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was terrified.

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He just gets out.

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Like, I think they plan to do that because he's like, are you ready? If you go back to the video

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I didn't get a chance to watch this

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was the purpose?

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I don't know.

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I don't know if they wanted a free ride or if they

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that's just horrible. So Janet said the year of the video is 2018 Oh, and so obviously the camera must be this must have been set up wrong because why would you have you know, a plastic or would you have a plastic thing and

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yeah, I mean that's a good call cuz Yeah. Why was he wearing a mask. Wait.

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Yeah, no, there would have been no problem. No reason for that.

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He's a time traveler.

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Anyways, that's

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that was crazy and unexpected.

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Yeah, I mean,

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that's why you thought I thought somebody was leaning up you can. Oh, really? Yeah. I like I thought the door was open because the person was out.

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So he pre opened the door. Yeah, like that guy should have stopped that car immediately. I don't know why he kept driving and he turned the light on. I know why to get better light in the car because he figured something was up. I think the light turned down when the

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door open.

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Yeah, that's right, Joe.

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Shut up, Sam.

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That's, that's nuts.

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That's a scary one.

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I wonder mitre somebody who just hates people for like, people who get mad at other people for wearing masks right now. Yeah, I think he maybe he's one of those it could be and he's got the divider up. So he's like, oh, you're just a little bee or something like that. I had a woman thank me for not having them. Ask them when I was delivered. groceries to the door.

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Yeah. Thank you for not buying all that looks Shut up. Did you tell her to shut up? No. But

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I was just dropping her stuff off and going, like I didn't really plan on interacting was but she thanked me for not having a mask.

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Most people expected to be completely touchless and may even do you drop them off and leaving before you

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99% of time and some people don't care and they just come out and I don't that's fine. I don't care but it's just the fact that she thanked me for not having went on. I'm like, oh, you're one of those you know, the people have

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that and I'm not gonna make this politic. Oh, too late, Nicole, but it's just my thing to people who think that, you know, the pandemic is gonna be gone once the election is over.

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Or that the whole world is faking it.

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Oh, yeah, no, no, just just for just for us. I almost said his name. Cancer.

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Please don't we'll probably definitely get back

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Alright, so

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somebody is looking for a couch auction on Facebook

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where the couch Oh bro was that there's like a group of people that bomb livestreams

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okay yes there is they used to go into like vent chats and mess with you

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might want to get the ban hammer ready

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is that is the man

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the Bo Diddley, you might

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I hit the comment I'm not I don't know how to ban people from Facebook unfortunately,

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a Esteban has the question. Okay, that's what's up. What's your question?

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So we'll move on. And we'll talk to him. Maybe Yeah,

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so the couch. Yeah. The next article.

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Some of these are silly guys. If you're new to the show, some of these are funny. Some of them serious. That last one was serious. This one's a little

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right. A little, even a little bit after Yeah,

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that was pretty

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that kid was a little kid. thing that it was terrifying. It was crazy. So this next one's from Uber Eats delivery driver group.

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I skip mine.

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That's my fault. I did. I did skip yours. Go ahead, just, hey, let's just be professional and just like maybe just let him roll with it. And then after he's done, though, then after he's done, then you can say, Oh, hey, Jason, I think you skip mine. It was my fault. Why is it your fault? Because I put the, the Oh,

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geez. Yeah.

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It's always Jason's always Jason's fault. Okay, keep going.

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Alright, so this next one, for those of you who can't see it says, The doordash man asked if I can meet him in the lobby. I asked him you work for lobby dash or doordash.

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Oh, I laughed really hard. The first time I read it. I've now seen it 15 times on my Facebook page, so it's decreasingly. Bye But by now you know,

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keep keep talking, please. Okay.

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So, um, so my,

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there's another one so I just, let's just

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let's just roll with it. Okay. Okay, so my story here is how unfortunately a Uber driver was, was killed doing a car chase. He was not the one being chased but a police officer, you know, obviously accidentally hit him. So it is a car chase and the Uber Uber drivers vehicle was struck by a deputy after associate vehicle tried to go around him the entrance ramp. There was a driver in the car. The driver was not did not die but but no, the driver died so he did not die. But the driver was announced it at the hospital. I'm sorry I'm a little bit knocked out of it here for a while.

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What was I gonna say? That was one more thing I wanted to mention.

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I forget what it was.

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Okay. What's the matter? I got knocked out of this this a little bit when all the rock is in the studio right now. Sorry. No, it's me.

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Now it's me to Pete and I are trying to

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trying to figure out how to deal with people. I'm just trying not to laugh at all the comments coming in.

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Okay, sorry. Yeah.

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I think that they're just trying to write us out. Yeah, yeah, that's good.

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Um, what did Esteban How would you react to an angry Uber PACs?

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I'm the same way Jason reacts to anybody who tries to target any of his chargers or his radio starring in a band.

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I mean, I do have

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Yeah, I do have more of a an issue when somebody

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I don't know. Man, I'm I've never been in that situation. No, so not not like that. Like, I mean not not even an assault. I don't think I've ever had anyone scream me down like that.

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I had one time. It's about two and a half years ago now. I had a group get into my car, they tried to steal the ride. And they were to do the whole thing. It was down downtown, but there were six people getting into my van. And and I did confirm where they were, but they were I don't know what the hell happened. But they got in there. And they wanted me to change the address. And then I said, well do it on the app. And he said what my phone was just stolen. Yeah, of course it was get out. And so you know, at that point, I knew what happened and they got upset. Yeah. And this one guy started not he sounded pounding on the door. Yeah, he didn't nothing happened to the car, but he was like,

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Yeah, but you're kind of a calm guy can't Well, I've never seen you get

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one video which is now taken down that one where he was just He was just bad guy. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 27:03
So he also asked this Esteban i think is in Detroit I seen a post he has for delivery Do you guys go inside hotels and apartments?

Unknown Speaker 27:13
Yeah, I mean some places you can some places you can't

Unknown Speaker 27:16
yeah every hotel I've done any delivery to whether it be luggage or food or whatever they make you display it in the lobby. There is no go into the rooms and even hotels. Yeah. Or apartments. Yeah, go to their door. Sorry I'm

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inside but don't is something some of them just need to drop them off in the in the by the entrance, right. What's it called? He took the food out by the What's it called? The chicken?

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I don't tell you.

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Yeah, I mean, usually they expect you to wait for the person to come downstairs. Just drop it and go. But

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our newest comment. It's a pleasure for me to write this testimony. Hi, I got my genital herpes cured over a month ago.

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Yeah, we've been in for

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I think we found out why we have so many people listening to our podcasts.

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I think I shared it in the wrong group. I think that's part of the problem.

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Well, there's a there's a Facebook group of people. And what they do is they go around and they harass live streams, until you like put a shoe on top of your head. And then they all leave. I can do that.

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But how that works? Yeah, how does a how to, how do they?

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Whatever, man,

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well, let's see if it works.

Unknown Speaker 28:34
I'm sure just one of them stumbles upon it, and they just share with other friends and What

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I don't understand is get a fucking life.

Unknown Speaker 28:40
Well, there's my friend. What else? Do it's really COVID-19 bro? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 28:45
well, they're bored. Yeah, is anyone else logged in as as the actual page that can start taking care of this so I don't get distracted or not? Are you all logged in?

Unknown Speaker 28:59
I just put The shoe in my head today is gonna be over now. Yeah, no.

Unknown Speaker 29:04
Anyways, um, I kept saying I kept seeing people say doordash slides up doordash slide. I was like, What the fuck is that mean? Oh, we had the doordash slide up. So,

Unknown Speaker 29:15
sorry about that. Okay, so we're on to my nap. Go ahead.

Unknown Speaker 29:20
Okay, so I have a little Reddit.

Unknown Speaker 29:22
I mean, you can summarize you don't have to read it all. But if you

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read it, yeah.

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You come to the show. gets right in and you want to come on. So go ahead, then you can read the whole thing. Yep. That'll

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give us time to start being

Unknown Speaker 29:38
exactly. It'll give you some time Jason to get together. I'm

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Unknown Speaker 29:42
Yeah, you get some time. So I pick up a guy at the bar who did the zombie shuffle to my car. In my head I SAW said oh shit. This is gonna suck. So long story short, he pukes in my car, put down my window down down my interior in the window jamb between the seats. father of three with the submix so I kept my cool didn't miss a beat. We get to his house and he says he'll go get supplies to clean it. He leaves me my car, maybe smart snapped a bunch of picks. He comes back out and starts cleaning. by cleaning I mean smearing he gives me 20 bucks and apologized. I drove away. Park a few blocks down I call support the email me a link I uploaded the pics before I got to the 24 hour Walgreens, it's $150 in my account, I spent his 20 and 10 of my cash on supplies so I cleaned my car for 30 bucks after making 140 because I spent my 10 and he gave me 20 I'm sure he was pissed I saw the charge but come on you're you're a stranger and this is my car. only reason I was pissed is because it happened on my third. My third ride so early in my night. I drive third shift. If it happened at the end of the night I would have made a killing with an ending ride like him. Next day I was cleaning what look like Taco Bell chicken burrito. I don't use the stick to get the checks for my windows. Yeah

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Unknown Speaker 31:02
Yeah, I mean, we've been there. We've all been there, especially Pete, like mostly. Have you ever had

Unknown Speaker 31:08
somebody wanting to clean up after the incident?

Unknown Speaker 31:12
Um, I've had somebody offered anything

Unknown Speaker 31:15
Someone has to worry about, ya know, I had one guy from Grand Valley, his buddy pute. And he came out and tried to wipe it up and didn't do a great job. But he tried.

Unknown Speaker 31:25
I've had two people want to clean up and one of the persons I actually ended up not even charging at all because they did a really good job. It was the middle of the night. It was only on the outside of the car. Right? And they came in of course, that's why you know, but they came. So it was two girls, and the one was like dead drunk.

Unknown Speaker 31:43
They have one cup.

Unknown Speaker 31:45
Well, I shot

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so grow Oh, so gross. Anyways, so

Unknown Speaker 31:56
she was very drunk and she was the one who puked out the window. How to friend her girlfriend not walk friend. They were not girlfriend.

Unknown Speaker 32:03
We know what you mean.

Unknown Speaker 32:06
Yeah, I got them all frazzled.

Unknown Speaker 32:09
But she was she was sober until she cleaned it up. Now,

Unknown Speaker 32:14
I know Gabe had someone who tried to clean up but he has those weird seats in his jeep that have a little holes in them. Oh, I remember

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Unknown Speaker 32:24
He borrowed my seam back because he couldn't get it all out. He should just burn the car.

Unknown Speaker 32:32
Oh, poor buddy. Wait.

Unknown Speaker 32:34
Yeah, I think I've had I know I've had a few peakers my my worst one was in my wife's van that we don't have anymore. But that was that was gross. It was everywhere.

Unknown Speaker 32:45
I feel like there's like a lot of nooks and crannies to in a van because the front seats are split. It's not a bench. So there's just more places for it to get into. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 32:53
she was in the back and just kind of puked on the side of the van. It was cute.

Unknown Speaker 32:59
It happened to way too many Anytime.

Unknown Speaker 33:01
Yeah, I think it's your drive and we saw you at one time when you hit the curb. That

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is not true. we raced downtown for

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that search.

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That one didn't work so well.

Unknown Speaker 33:11
Anyways, so this one is officer though. Yeah, so was that ticket he gave you There you go. So on the screen you'll see it's I call it hustler and I kind of like this. He's got for sale, three ply mask. $1. canine 90 mass three. canine canine. Why am I saying canine Han Cayenne. What? What are they? What are the what are they? They're not called? What do they call are

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usually in 95 and

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95. So what's the

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flux? Maybe it's formerly k n, but nobody says Well, he's

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selling them for $4 So yeah, a gator mass $4 faceshield $3 10 foot chargers $8 Colby shirts $10

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I'm sorry you missed one. Hey, I was that was the finisher you have to wait

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The second last one is condoms $2 or three for five bucks. I mean, some people have high hopes. I mean, three. I don't know they're gonna be so drunk they're gonna screw up the first two and it's gonna take three of them to get it right.

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so crazy All right, yes for your up buddy.

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The three condoms or the two girls one cup. No.

Unknown Speaker 34:30
You I just not doing well. So this is a story from a lift Reddit nearly drowned while caught in five feet flash flood waters around 9pm Wednesday evening in South Carolina.

Unknown Speaker 34:44
You blame this man over

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his flood.

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All right, we gotta get the

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fuck out here. water's coming up to the damn things tell.

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Hey, you.

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Hey, don't don't crank it up, man. How you doing?

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Bro? Hey, buddy. Hey

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there I don't know if you realize this or not, man, but there's war. Cool back here, buddy.

Unknown Speaker 35:21
This is so crazy. Well,

Unknown Speaker 35:22
I love the accent.

Unknown Speaker 35:24
Oh, I know. Yeah, you can tell that's not Midwestern.

Unknown Speaker 35:29
Yeah, that's so crazy. That is crazy. Um, so what day was that? Do we know?

Unknown Speaker 35:34
Well, I don't know why what does it matter?

Unknown Speaker 35:36
Well, because it wasn't there a couple of storms. It wasn't this new, right. Just a couple of times about

Unknown Speaker 35:41
from the hurricane.

Unknown Speaker 35:43
The Hurricane. I don't know if it was that from there. I mean, it was afraid to say it was a flash flood. Yeah, but it's crazy. That comes silver. There was one time we had a rain like crazy. It was the middle of the day. And I was driving on Alpine. Yeah, I know it's right by an st and right underneath the bridge. Oh, something. I don't know what happened but it was crazy. And I had tons of cars behind me All I all I could do was go through it. Yeah, I luckily I was not in the black car. I was in the van. Man.

Unknown Speaker 36:15
I'm in Michigan division in 2007 the other spouse division and 20. So man, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 36:22
Yeah, you got to be careful with those flash floods cuz you're not supposed to go through them. No, I know, especially if you don't know the depth.

Unknown Speaker 36:30
But I had two cars behind me.

Unknown Speaker 36:32
What am I supposed to do? I mean, flipping off, I would just get out, run through it. See how deep it is. Don't worry about your pants. Don't remove it. Yeah, you're like, Okay, I'm good. So Pete wanted me to add this for the Grand Rapids group. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 36:46
Grand Rapids people is kind of an info thing. And it was kind of a funny thing. But the new hotel Mertens, the French style restaurant downtown Grand Rapids has been closed because of COVID is changing its name to Burton's prime, Mertens and I thought it was funny because never fails. Everybody always asked me is the hotel nice and they

Unknown Speaker 37:13
never asked to happen. Oh really?

Unknown Speaker 37:15
No. Oh, well, it makes you think the hotel.

Unknown Speaker 37:17
Mertens isn't a hotel? No, I swear to God.

Unknown Speaker 37:22
It used to be 100 years ago. It was a freaking idiot.

Unknown Speaker 37:25
I swear to God, I didn't know.

Unknown Speaker 37:27
It was a very nice French restaurant. Well, that's why I

Unknown Speaker 37:31
added it for Pete because I didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

Unknown Speaker 37:33
It makes me think of like,

Unknown Speaker 37:36
are they doing some steaks or something on there now though?

Unknown Speaker 37:38
They are the pop up kitchen. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 37:42
Yeah, Miguel says on Twitch the KNN like the car filters.

Unknown Speaker 37:49
But I'm not really good food and they're changing their menu a little bit and I really hope they don't take the truffle pasta off. is so good. It's truffle in a ham. Oh man, no,

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Yes sir. Are you mushrooms are growing?

Unknown Speaker 38:05
Are you on my side with this?

Unknown Speaker 38:07
I'm all over that. Yeah, no,

Unknown Speaker 38:08
absolutely. We have a more refined palate. Oh.

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song called truffle butter.

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was at Drake and Nicki Minaj I don't

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know. I've never heard this song. Okay. No, that's not really my genre.

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Yeah, talking about skeletons probably no.

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Sam. Okay,

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play it again. Sam.

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Play it again.

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This video? No.

Unknown Speaker 38:48
Second here. Oh, we keep talking about great food. I remember the first time I was on the podcast.

Unknown Speaker 38:55
I feel like I'm now

Unknown Speaker 38:58
saying the mushrooms are the best. I'm not sure that Sam, you know, thinking about mushrooms and truffles is the same thing.

Unknown Speaker 39:06
I'm thinking about the truffle shuffle.

Unknown Speaker 39:09
I don't even know what that is.

Unknown Speaker 39:11
on, man. I guess that is I don't know. It's understandable that

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he was in the 80s. You were here in the 80s. No.

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What your Did you?

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Oh, you did? Yeah. You don't know.

Unknown Speaker 39:27
Yeah, I know The Goonies. The truffle shuffle.

Unknown Speaker 39:30
So the kid does. Do it. Come on. Do it.

Unknown Speaker 39:36
Now he does the truffle. Okay, I guess I'm

Unknown Speaker 39:38
never seen, but I know what it is. I saw the movie many times.

Unknown Speaker 39:42
I'm in 90s. Baby. Why would I ever seen that? Because it's a classic. No.

Unknown Speaker 39:45
All right, whoever thinks it's a classic. Please chime in.

Unknown Speaker 39:50
Classic. Thank you. It is a class Next you're gonna see Piper never saw Gremlins. Nope.

Unknown Speaker 39:57
The only thing I know about Gremlins is the Family Guy parodies.

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Hello, hello. Hello my help if I hit that button, How y'all doing tonight? Welcome to the gig economy podcast. This studio is sponsored by Irvine's auto repair and Grand Rapids hybrid located on off of 44th Street. We'll talk about them a little bit later on. Well, as you see, the pink shirt is back. The Danish mumble mouth is gone. What could be happening in the gig economy podcast world. Nothing too major Jasper is on vacation and unfortunately had a breakdown in his van. So he is stuck in Tennessee until Friday. So Pete stepped up and said I will be there. And then we were supposed to have a guest tonight. I'm just gonna say screw bird. The people in Grand Rapids know that and he canceled two hours before the show. So where that's real nice, but uh, I hope you guys are having a good night. I'm super excited that Pete stepped in and we're gonna try to have Larry on in a little while. We're going to see if it works again we're going to bring them into the stream. And yeah, we'll see if that works. If you could share the show and your Facebook groups that you're in or and subscribe in YouTube and subscribe on YouTube, like I said, and smash the like button. We'd really appreciate that. Also for all things gig economy if you go to our website gig economy, screw this gig economy, hyphen, podcast, calm cash, why wouldn't that lady sell us the frickin URL? gig economy hyphen, podcast calm or search the gig economy podcast? It'll come up. But yeah, I also Oh, yeah. introductions talk about Tim and his gig stats. Hey, Tim. Tell me how many rides you've had. Oh, no shit. Okay, that's all right. That's a lot of rides bro. So anyway, story since last podcast pizza quitter. That's okay. We still love them. gr right. Seriously,

yes for that was me. Oh, my bad. I can't access the comments.

You can't read it on your iPad.

Yeah. Oh, I'm logged I'm logged in as dammit dot

bat. Download it back on your phone. All right, just do it. So I am back. Yes, I have been driving or I should stop say driving. I mean, most of the gigs involve your eye on any. Like gun moving, right. Yeah, none. I'm gigging I'm back to gigging full time and I'm really enjoying it. We'll talk a little bit about some of my stories. I don't have anything that stands out a lot. But there's some different topics we're going to talk about that will probably trigger my memory a little bit about that. So also, I want to promote our last show that we posted. It is with lead ship shopper. So if you are a shipped shopper out there and new and want to hear some tips, if you go into the description of at least the Facebook post, you can find that link and you can download that episodes about 30 minutes. It was good. It was good to learn some things I learned some things and I'm a ship shopper. So I'm almost at 100 shops p I'm at 95 Oh, total since I started.

So I only been doing it

probably two years. So it's not very much but seems like a lot. Yeah, my ratings sell 4.7 that's not good. That's not good in the in the shipped world.

So why don't get them good orders. Oh, yeah. Get you some regulars. Buy some hula hoops.

I mean, come on. You know how that goes. Yes. berzon. He's in Tennessee. Dave the Uber slave. Thank you so much, Janet. Thank you for for tuning in. We super appreciate it. All right. Before we get into all of this, it's so weird. Not having Esper here. Yeah. There has been at every I'm pretty sure since he came on every single show, maybe one he just about

because he was in Nevada. Right. Wasn't at the Grand Canyon. This summer.

Yeah, but that wasn't during a show that he had he scheduled that on an off week. Oh, that's right. I'm pretty sure. Anyways, it's just weird not to see his beautiful, beautiful face over there. Before we get to the gig economy news, we'll talk about our studio sponsor Irvine's auto repair Grand Rapids hybrid. You can follow them on Facebook on Irvine's. I don't know why I said that. You can follow them on Facebook. I don't know why I said that. You can get to their website or You can schedule online. You can also look at their Google reviews, which are pretty nuts. This is an old slide but it's a 4.7 out of 276 reviews. So they respond to everything. And Megan was supposed to get me a slide for tonight. But she didn't. They are giving away you get free wiper blades with any service for the month of November. So that's pretty cool. I mean, you need wiper blades going into fall maintenance. So call them at 532 65 three to 6600. Slow down Jason or urban Irvine's calm to schedule, we appreciate them supporting the gig economy.

system working,

what's not working in the comments, really. And my last pass isn't working for Facebook.

Okay, so just a heads up like Pete and I both deleted Facebook on our phones. I still get on it on the desktop when I'm in the studio. Oh, but apparently comments aren't loading on on the on the

on the phone app on the iPad. Yeah. And then on my phone. I have to log in with my password for Facebook, which is I don't know what I don't know because it's one of those weird so LastPass


down. No, I have to you have

to put your main one in your like, I'll screw that. I don't know what to tell you there buddy. Well, I can see it on stream yard. Okay. I don't know how else I can show you Mark says he can see the comments on his iPad. Just force close it and bring it back up again. What do you come on? What do you new shoot? Alright, so, first on the agenda tonight, new privacy features for Uber and Lyft, not Lyft just Uber. If this shows a little off the rails tonight, I mean, I'm fine. I'm not I'm just out of my element. It's just crazy. But, um, so basically, requesting a trip on the way during the trip after your trip, it's just telling you what they're going to release as the driver and what they're going to release as a passenger. So you can see the rating can see the address. And then after the trip, you can see the approximate location. So just another step for Uber trying to reduce. I mean, I don't know how this has reduced the sexual assaults. I mean, I think for them to reduce that kind of stuff they need to if they get better if riders get bad reviews or bad ratings, they should kick them off the platform, right? I mean, I get it, it's money, but that's going to reduce the assaults. So according to Uber safety report, released in December of 2018, more than 5900 riders, and drivers reported Uber rated related sexual assault in 2017 2018. Honestly, that's way too much. But for the amount of rides it takes for two years. I mean, what is what are they consider a sexual assault? Like? Like someone? That's a good question your beard, right? I mean, that tactically is an unwanted Yeah, approach. But you know,

what I find weird is that they don't say anything about Megan shrim I guess this is more lift. But there's nothing in there about making sure everybody has a picture the

passengers. See, Ubers never gonna do that because of people being racist. That's the problem. And I'm surprised that Lyft doesn't do that. They're supposed to be more woke than Uber. And I wish everyone did. Just for like, security purposes. If If so and so, you know, this looks like you and then yesterday rolls up of the I grabbed your to this for somebody else. Yeah, like what's going on here? But

I doubt y'all need to stop being racist.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's ever gonna go away. I think it's always gonna be something where

you always always see, I'm just I don't ever think about that. Because that's not how I operate. You know?

No, but a lot of people do, right? I mean, they do. Yeah, look at all the crap that's been going on. But yeah, it's it's not cool to do that. But I think that's why they don't put the pictures out there. That makes sense. Could be like that other ride share we talked about last week where now I'm getting cold at 66 in here that Windows only open a crack. Where you they wanted to get the passengers background check.

I'll close it. What? What app was that?

That was the one I don't know. I don't remember they were trying to get it funded or something like that for development. And that's what the Bitcoin one. Yeah, the Bitcoin one. So

that's never gonna happen.

No, that is definitely never gonna happen. Alright, so what else we got here? Oh, fuck fate. I mean, this was Tim's article. Hang on one sec. So Uber is gonna start doing reservations. Larry, I'm gonna bring you in after this article. Basically, like, what it sounds like it's Uber reservations. Uber reserve offers drivers more control of their schedule, to ditional earnings opportunity as drivers overseas receive 72% of the reserved fare fee, regular Uber rates for their city share, like 72%. I mean, I, as I was reading this article, I'm like, what's the reserve fee? Like? two bucks? It's actually eight to $12 for a passenger to reserve a ride.

So what is the difference between reserving a ride and schedule? What are they scheduling a ride? Yeah,

I guess it's just the the skin in the game. So like, if that person doesn't show up, they, the driver gets the full rate of the trip. So perfect drivers is that Uber and Uber reserve riders canceled less than an hour before the trip was scheduled to start the driver see the full fee associated with the fare meaning it's logged as a $50 trip the driver will see the full $52 trip. If it's canceled within that timeframe. And you'll receive 72% of the eight to $12 paid by the passenger. I think there's just more skin in the game. Like the passenger is going to show up. And but so you're wanting to know if the driver doesn't show up? Yeah, what

if the driver doesn't show up? Huh? What's the day like? So does it pick a driver ahead of time and say this is a reserve?

How does Uber reserve work for drivers as a driver you need to be on line an hour before the scheduled trip. In an Uber app, you'll receive trips heading toward your reservation in the meantime. So maybe you, you, I read this article, this is from a driver. It didn't say so basically, huh. So you must get you must, it must pop up and then you just grab it right? So then the rest of the time you end up getting rides towards that so you don't miss it. within the app itself, you'll be sent navigate toward or your reservation when the time is right, comes to do so to look like the image above on the right. My thoughts as drivers, she says there's upsides and downsides. Like I can see happening already. Sometimes it's difficult to find a passenger. So being on time, it's not always possible. Yeah. But also, I would not be happy with myself, I arrive 30 minutes early to the destination set outside waiting for the schedule, right? Because they get 30 minutes to like, that's their flexibility. So you could visit 10 o'clock pick up you roll up at 930 they have full 30 minutes before they can come out. Yeah, I know. I don't, I don't want to get there and wait there either. That'd be terrible. Right? So they're launching in some of the major markets. I wonder if it's

like how Lyft you go in there for scheduled rides? And you assign that to yourself?

Yeah, it doesn't really say in this article. I'm assuming it just pops up, you just look for reservations and grab them.

As a consumer, I would, I would hope that the drivers get like biffed pretty good. If you accept a ride, and then you, you know, show up 30 minutes early, and then you leave because you don't want to wait, or you don't show up at all. As a driver. That would suck. But yeah, but how are the consumer like?

Yeah, it didn't, it didn't really say any penalties for the driver. But yeah, what's keeping him from saying ask screw it?

Yeah, you know what I mean? Cuz 72% of the company times, and we've talked about it, like we showed up to a scheduled ride. You know, 15 minutes early, and

you're fussy at 15. I'm out. Yeah. And that's, I knew where it was going. Like, if it was gonna be a $75 fare, right? Or maybe it's just like, you roll the dice that the passenger is gonna cancel. And you get I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't really say that. But um, I do like, if the if the, if the customer screws, you, you at least get the full fare, which is great. But yeah, I mean, it is 72% of eight to $12 going to keep you there for 30 minutes. I mean, what's several 75% of $10? Was that 737 50 for a half hour? I'm just trying to do round numbers, because you know, math.

Yeah. I guess it depends on where if you do you know where the rise is going to go? It doesn't say, Well, I mean, if you're a diamond pitch, then

Yeah. Or if you're in California, that you get to see where it goes to but

brings up a lot of questions.

It does. Yeah, and surprise how expensive that is, though. Eight to 12 bucks. And it all depends

on I'm thinking there's got to be like a pretty significant detriment for the driver. If they don't show up or they show up and leave early.

Yeah, it doesn't say that.

This isn't the customers paying. You know, all of that then.

Yeah, there's

got to be a balance. You know,

there definitely is I'm going to share this in the chat so you guys can take a peek at it if you want to. at your leisure. take a gander ppds nuts. I love that guy. He's comment on some of our stuff. I thought he was always trolling us like, uh, but anyways, he's comment on some of our videos. Like I always smashed drunk girls, like one of those comments was, so I thought he was just like, trolling us or whatever. Okay, Larry. Oh, I should probably send you the link that might help. Let me do this. Coming Your Way, Larry.

Larry, Larry.

Larry, Larry, Larry. Pepe is not in the house. Trying to catch up on the comments. I was hoping you could watch the comments still, that

we're gonna get into. It just won't give me the option to show the that's so weird comments. Like, even if I hit comment, to make a comment. It pulls up the video. But doesn't.

That's so weird. I wish somehow I could share the if I knew this ahead of time, I would have just given you this monitor.

Yeah, I just I didn't.

It's alright. We'll see if Larry. He hasn't looked at the message yet. So I'm on Larry. Yes. It says a way to go. Jason. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. All right. Moving on. Ah, I think that those are the only two rideshare things tonight. Why don't you? You want to do yours? Oh, yeah. It's just funny. I actually have see this is the stories. I have a story from this. This link Really? Yeah.

Alright, so it's a comment. And I don't need to go the link rag industry. Yeah, okay, so since passion is out of their mind, if they think this is acceptable, and the pickup note says, I just want someone to bring me a six pack of white claw, 50 bucks. And then the first comments 50 is 50 like fish say it's 50.

Like we say in the group 20 bucks buddy is 20 bucks, 20

bucks or 20 bucks doesn't

really matter how you make it? Well, it does kind of thing. So my story for that, first of all, what do you think of that? When you see that? Would you do that?


probably not. No, one of the reasons.

License issues are age.

That's a big one for alcohol. Yeah.

I mean, if if I would ask them to send me a picture of their license or something, maybe. Here's a.

Here's another problem. I don't know, what if they just get an ID for someone in the house? Right? That's, I mean, when we do it with ships, when we scan the license, whatever they do, after we do that, that's their business. But that's, this is all through the app, and everything's legit, but doing it on the

50 bucks is 50 bucks, though. So I can guarantee you that probably 5050 of the people that get an offer like that are probably taking it.

So here's my story with it. I did a food delivery. Random like, early Tuesday at like, loving 15 some guy ordered I hop 1115 and I'm like, Okay, this is weird from Granville. So I was like I took it, it was a pretty decent tip on it. Well, I don't know what the tip was grubhub it just shows you the amount you're gonna make on this. Oh, hands down like so it was enough for my I looked at it. Like I think it was like 16 bucks. Like, that's fair. Nothing much going on right now. Yeah, you know what I mean? A little far of a drive because it's up. Wilson in Richmond, so a little bit north of Lake Michigan drive. Oh, but anyway, so it was a little bit of a drive. And in the notes, it says, Hey, grab me a pack of cigs. I'll give you 10 bucks plus a tip in the app. So I've been a little slow today. I said that. I said, Okay, this is what I'll do. I say you vent. I'll give you my Venmo if you Venmo the money $10 plus an extra five ahead of time, I will do it. That's what I was going to text them. And I texted him, I'm like, Hey, you still need cigarettes? He's like, Ah, no, because people people understand when they're writing comments in there. It's not for that order. It's directions to your place. Like you can add comments. So every time someone orders that pops up, but I did think like if you Venmo Me the Money, here's my Venmo link. I'll do it. What do I care? Right? I mean, I'll pay for your cigarettes, but it does have the little the legal thing again. But I mean, it's 1115 in the morning, the guy I think works third shift I my guess is used to get into breakfast. Yeah, whatever. But I think I would do it if they prepaid. like everyone's got Venmo now or, or cash app or whatever, even alcohol.

Because alcohol is a is a is a bigger beast. Yeah. And somebody had pack of smokes.

That's so true. I don't know if I do the alcohol.

That's it's a tough call. Because 50 bucks is I mean, depending on what day it is and what your money goal is. walks is

50 bucks. I mean, I try to make 60 at lunch, right? That's my goal, right around 50 or 60. Now, during the week, the weekends are different. It's a lot busier. But uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't think I do alcohol. I think that's, I think I draw the line. Yeah, cuz if a kid smokes a pack of cigarettes, it's like whatever, but Okay, we're gonna try to add Larry. Hello, Larry. Larry. Hey, what's

going on guys?

Is there any echo for you at all?

No. Sounds great. Sweet. Yeah, I had to turn I had to lower the volume on the Facebook page, but I can hear you to the stream yard so

Oh, okay.

There's there was an echo. But yeah,

yeah. Maybe that's what was going on with Sam. She somehow had something else on I like these headphones you got on. They look very familiar.

I wonder why. I swipe those when I was down your studio.

I am missing one.

No, no, no. That was that was on the equipment list you sent me?

Oh, okay. Yeah, they're great. I think they leak a little bit of audio sometimes if you have too high but well, Larry, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself if people that don't know you and and just what you do and all that stuff?

Sure. Well, I'm full time I'm a computer systems engineer for the city of Bowling Green Kentucky. But in the evenings and on weekends, I do gig work. Mainly rideshare Lyft and Uber, but also do grub hub. roadie Uber Eats a little bit of this and that but it's mainly rideshare

Okay, and how long you've been driving,

been driving for three and a half years now.

Okay. I have a little story about Rody, all these things are triggering stories. So I tried to I tried to you know, I i've been laid off for two weeks, and I you know, you got to relog into all your apps and I logged into Rody, and it said your account is locked. So I sent him an email. I'm like, why is my account locked? Oh, you were inactive. Do you want to be reactivated? Yes. Okay. Wait a couple days? wait a couple days no response and I get the the the response? Well, we haven't heard from you. So we're gonna mark this ticket is closed. And I'm like, No dude like I want to be in so I emailed them back, and I'm like, never heard anything. So tried to log in, same thing. Exact same scenario. If you Jason, do you want to be an active roadie driver? Yes, please unlock my account two days later. Well, we haven't heard from you. So I just I just deleted the app. I was like, I'm done with you. I mean, what is going on? Yeah,

I mean, I mean, me.

Did you do? Have you done?

I probably done maybe like 30 or 40.

Okay, we've done more about them.

Yeah, I did a lot in the winner like later at night at the airport. You know, when I was hanging out the airport,

and playing golf with the old guys.

Now this is during the winter. I was not detailing my car. But no, I would get a lot of bags. But I mean, it wasn't really super profitable. It was basically like, there's nothing else going on. So

yes, he said we don't have an airport, you know, here in town. We we get very few roadies here.

Yeah. Yeah. It's there. I mean, it's there to use if you you know, want a little extra money. But now with so many other apps. I mean, if it's not poppin why even bother with it?

Yeah, I mean, unless it just pops up and I happen to see something and it's worth it right then I'll grab it. But yeah, it's mainly been medicine here that I've prescriptions that I've delivered. Okay. and deliver two hours one time.

I will like the bird I will.

They were plastic the plastic that you put on your porch? Yeah. That would have been that would have been interesting. Oh, yeah. I got to TSC and I had no idea what it was. The guy went back in the bag and it comes out with these two plastic outs. He's like, there you go. That's what your cheese Louise.

So as far as Uber ride share rides, you know how many you have approximately for both platforms? Um,

let me see. I can pull it up here real quick. I've got my phone. I think on Uber. It's around. Maybe 3500.

I see. I thought you were a lot higher than me. I'm.

I can't remember though, for sure. I can't remember where you find it on the app nowadays.

I think I'd look in your ear. Good old Keith. Larry. Such a hoot with these owl stories.

Hey, no, yeah, see what I've done. 2700. Okay. And lifts significantly less than? Okay. Probably 1600 or something.

All right. So how's that podcast years coming?

Well, I've been doing another podcast now. I do the podcast with my friend Antonio.

Oh, yeah. You're still you're still doing that.

Yeah, we've been doing it. We've we've probably done as many of those now as I've done just mine. Oh, wow. Generally about he's pretty good about having somebody lined up about every other week here. So we were supposed to do one tonight. But the lady she has a five year old and she couldn't get a setter till next week. What's uh, we're gonna interview her next next.

So you're, you're on like, it's just like an interview show. And you're a co host?

Pretty much. I mean, we talk about really all different subjects. We did a couple episodes about the pandemic we talked about. We did one show just mean ham on being you know, hustler, being a go getter, you know, working all your gigs, making money doing what it takes. Last one we did. We talked to a guy who's a realtor. He's developing kind of his own kind of realty website. Okay. The way we're talking to you, I think, this coming week, I think she owns it like an auto glass repair shop. We've had a couple of singers on there. So yeah, just a little bit everything.

So the question is, why have I been invited as a guest? I'm a hustler. I mean, come on. I love I love podcasts. You know, I love to talk. I can't shut up.

I'll see what I can do about that. But I in my defense, Antonio is the booking agent for the show. So he he's the one who's who's booked all the guests.

Well, if he is he who's doing the editing is he doing it to

um you know, we don't do we really don't see much editing. Okay, we

need that we need to have a conversation after this show which are rookies over there. Oh, kidding.

No, no, no, no, you know, my show, you know, I spent hours but he he. He just likes to throw it up there. So So yeah.

So during this pandemic, have you been driving passengers?

Ah, when COVID first came out, the city of Bowling Green, where I work at our city manager came out with kind of some rules and regulations since they were having probably, you know, most people work from home, they did say some I did lay down some rules about what you could do and what you couldn't do as far as your secondary jobs. And rideshare was not something that they were going to let me do. And so I switched over to doing all food delivery, and did that for about six months. And as y'all know, food delivery was off the chain. So I was making as much or more doing that than I was doing, you know, driving rideshare. So that was fun and kind of got, like you were talking the other day, Jason kind of kind of got to where I like doing food delivery on time. It's kind of nice. At first, I hated it. When I first did, it couldn't stand it didn't want to do whatsoever. But if you do for a while you're like, hey, it's kind of nice. Like listen to my music. I can. No, I have to worry about sort of puking in my car. Yeah, I worry about it being clean all the time. Well, that

Yeah, the clean thing is nice. If you look at my passenger floorboard, there's Wendy's bags and straws and water bottles. But I also think why people don't like food delivery right off the bat is because you don't know the strategy around it yet. You're feeling a little out of water. And once you figure it out, you're like, Okay, I got this, like I have my little areas I go to in my area to sit and wait for, for deliveries and in the big

thing is figuring out on the apps like making sure you look and see where where you're delivering. Yes. Because those squeeze that map down here. It looks like the delivery is not very far. Yeah, except the ride is like 30 minutes away. Oh yeah, for number pain. I'm not have done deliveries that far, but not for, you know, not for 10 bucks.

Yeah, the problem I'm running into is grubhub. I'm on the schedule. So I'm kind of and I have Uber running also. And sometimes I'll get a nice Uber one that's a little bit further happened today. And then I'm like, denying all these grubhub ones and then I'm taking right should I have done Uber one it's and grubhub you turn it off, they give you like five minutes and they're texting you saying hey, they're basically like you got enough time to go pee, you need to be back on the app and so it it can get a little challenging juggling

apps. And during during that time I did do a schedule a lot of blocks. But now I don't ever scheduling blocks and I really have not been able to tell any difference what's really

we can tell it because we get I get the the crappy ones. I get the $7 Taco Bells or the $6

Well, I just declined the

Why do to even if I'm on the schedule or not. I don't take anything less than 10

Yeah, and you learn to during the during the pandemic when all the lobbies are closed what fast food place off not to accept because I'm not gonna get stuck in Taco Bell Hill drive thru for 30 minutes for

$1 McDonald's on Michigan Street,

the Danish who's not here who is who is making comments. I told him several times, please don't go to like fast food. Like Like, you know, Wendy's is okay. It's a little step above like Taco Bell and McDonald's. But you're gonna wait in line, you're probably not going to get a tip. Or you know, it's just not worth it. So,

yeah, Taco Bell and White Castle. Here are the two I just

I've never had White Castle.

My castle is so good, man. Is it?

Yeah. Larry, is it good? Is it better than in and out?

No, see, we have we're the only place that I know of in the country that has White Castle and crystal. We haven't both. If you go anywhere North it's all White Castle. If you go anywhere South it's all crystal

now. Is that a situation kind of like? checkers and rally's was actually the same company. Are they two different companies?

Oh, they're two different companies. Okay. Yeah. I like crystal a little bitter. And I'm like why castle? Fine, but I got I got burned last time. I went there about two weeks ago and got something really late night. After I'd been working in the food. You can tell they've been sitting there for a while now. Also got a big chocolate milkshake. Had a real urge for chocolate milkshake. It was so thick that it you couldn't get it through the straw. So they want to see it at home with a spoon when I get home. opened it up and there's a big black hair inside there. Oh, yeah. So I'm done with White Castle for the foreseeable future. Oh, man. That's, you know, you can

go to the grocery store and buy like the frozen white castles.

Okay, like can you buy it in our groceries?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

not they're not as good and you don't get the crinkle fries.

Well, you can make your own crinkle fries. You can but yeah, so to answer the question, you weren't you are taking passengers now. Now? Yeah. Okay. So

about probably six weeks ago, our city manager said things that he's up enough so he's restrictions. So I started doing makes a passenger food. I turn them all on and whatever hits hits. Okay. So yeah, especially a lot of times during the day, on weekends, I'm doing a lot more food. But you can definitely tell also that there's less drivers in or used to be. Hmm, I've noticed that because, you know, I used to be here I would sit for 10 or 15 2030 minutes sometimes between rides. Yeah. And especially when I first started back with rideshare it was just back to backs. I think more of the drivers are slowly coming back now. Because there for a while I would only see like, three or four other drivers in all Bowling Green. Wow. It used to be wherever you went, you went up and you'd see the maximum amount of drivers she has sent her home. Yep. So yeah, it's definitely scaled it back on the drivers.

So Larry, if you don't mind me asking, what's your facemask policy? And have you had any riders that have like tried to fight you about either Uber or Lyft rules or your personal rules?

Now I've always been pretty good I keep packages of disposable masks the ones that Uber or grubhub or somebody sends to us every month or to keep them in there and if they don't have one I'll give them one everybody's been you know pretty cool about it. And you know, it's um, we've had so many like warm sunny days that I've had the windows down here lately and you know, gravel drive around with the windows and everybody's enjoyed that.

Yeah, it's been nice up here to key says they don't call leiria Hill topler Hill topper hustler for nothing is that where is he just come up with that or

they call you that? The the the university here is Western Kentucky University Hilltoppers. Oh, that's the name though.

I often wonder why Keith's got a bills hat to like maybe he's from Buffalo because does he live in Georgia?

He went to he went to school at Western. Oh, he did.


Yes, he did. I can't remember for sure where he's at now.

I think he's enjoying us. Georgia. Yeah.

Yeah, maybe. But yeah, I'm pretty sure he went to school Western.

Alright, Larry. Well, why don't you give everyone like one tip. Any of the apps that you think like, Man, this is this is something you really need to focus on? I don't know. I'm putting you on the spot. So?

Oh, well, let me think. Yeah, my biggest tip, I guess said, This popping in my head is, is make sure if especially if you're doing food delivery, make sure you take a little bit and make sure you know where that delivery is going. Because I used to burn me all the time when I first started it pop up and that, you know, it looked like the delivery. And the pickup and delivery were just right and few miles of each other. And then when you actually accept it, you know, they trumped the screen down so much. And it Yeah, it's 20 miles away. Like dang it. They got me.

Yeah, yeah, definitely know your area. Look with our shirt. Take the time to do it. Especially now Uber is little quicker. You only get like was like 30 seconds. As that little timer goes. But grubhub you get about a minute out of it.

grubhub is more of a pain to cancel an order once you've accepted. Yeah, for sure. You know, where it's just you know, you swipe it up and cancel it but Uber they are grubhub they want to they want you to explain why they want you to call them. Yeah,

yeah. When you when you first started the tip and you said something, take a little bit. I thought you're gonna do a joke, like, take a little bit of the food off the top. take a little time. I'm like,

No, no, don't do that.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to be on on some viral YouTube video. Right?

Unless you're unless it's your page and you're making the money.

Exactly, exactly. Unless it's something good.

Yeah. Hey, Larry, before you go, what, um, what service were you in?

Oh, um, I

was a I was a combat medic in the Kentucky National Guard. Okay.

All right. Well, thank you for your service, Larry.

You're welcome. And it's been a pleasure. I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Well, enjoy. Well, you've already eaten the food but enjoyed the the glow of the smoky bones and the Dairy Queen. Oh, and

yeah, it's funny cuz actually, me and me and a buddy of mine. He was in service we we obviously have together on Veterans Day and go get some free food. So we actually smokey bones for lunch today. And then me and my wife went to smokey. Oh, your

poor wife later on tonight. That rooms gonna be there's gonna be like a fart fog. over the tire.

Top. Baked Beans

inside. Oh my gosh.

Your poor wife sleeping on the couch tonight.

She's a saint.


she is. Well, Larry, thank you so much. I'm glad this worked out.

This was fun. This was fun. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate you having me on. All right. Have a good one. All right. Have a good rest your show. All right. Bye.

Well, that was fun. It's fun. Yeah, like a Larry.

I'd love it. I'm glad at work two must have been Sam. I'm to say operator error on that one. Way to go, Sam,

you broke it last time.

All right, sorry for that little delay. I thought it was fun to talk to Larry. He's he's been one of our Patreon subscribers from the beginning. And we really appreciate his support on the show. So hopefully you can get me on the other show is on I'm always looking to be guests. And I want to, you know, you got to share the podcast love, right. Okay. Next up from Uber, Lyft, a new app helps gig workers find where to whiz. So what is this app called again? The Wizard. Hold on. I thought it was in my it's just named Wiz. We're actually going to interview these guys next week, described being developed by gig workers for gig workers whizzes a bathroom finding app that is partnering with restaurants to provide gig workers with some smutch. some much needed relief.

It's a bad time to kind of work on that, because a lot of the restaurants have their bathrooms closed. Yeah.

So we're going to talk about that. And I want to encourage him. And to expand that to let drivers maybe, I don't know, somehow you can certify that they're rideshare drivers because yeah, a lot of restaurants. I mean, if it's fast food, it's closed. Yeah.

And I don't think just go to Johnny's on Michigan. Yeah.

So we're going to talk to him about that. Basically, with attempts to incentivize restaurants with free advertising exchange for bathroom access and promotional offers. So it's not a bad idea. Most drivers aren't going to use a restaurant to go potty though. go potty. What are we cheese? I mean, I don't even have toddlers anymore. I'm like, I got a poppers. Maybe Donegal body. I don't think I mean, I would never go into Logan's to go to the bathroom, right? I mean, it's probably cleaner. But I mean, it just

a lot of the times I'm going to that's we're messing up. We're so busy trying to decide whether to go to Speedway or Johnny's should have been going to Logan's where,

but how many times you go to Johnny's and not grab something to drink or a snack out of there, because that's why you're kind of you're kind of going to pee and you're kind of grabbing a snack. Honestly, the last thing I want to be doing on a Friday night is walking in Logan's,

you know when I'm already probably hungry. Walk around in there and strong stakes and yeah,

like, wow. And then even if they're partnering with with let's say then you're like, Oh, no, I'm not here to you. I'm here to whiz. I mean, like you're gonna have to say that every time because they greet you. When if they give you a little quiz. Yeah, a little bad. You hang on the door. You know, they bring up to bathroom access is a problem for like, homeless people and everything. I totally agree. What what could we do? What could somebody create that? You could put it on the side of the road? But it's not like some porta potti like, I mean, or maybe it is but it's just a little better. You know, the porta potties you open that up and I mean, you're just looking at loads of shit and they're NP like it's kind of gross. But if you got to do it, you got to do it. But it is something to think about I mean, we always Mark I am the one that peas in a Gary Bell I'm sorry I do that's called me a savage. I don't care she then. I mean, if you gotta go You gotta go right I heat then I pee in a Gatorade bottle. I've yet to be caught and in my daytime job or my gig job. Okay, so we're going to talk to them next week. This will be a Patreon only for a while. So if you want to hear it right away, we got a bunch of them in there a new app called wonder where you can get your you can wash people's clothes. And it's very profitable for the Why

should I should really like look into that

as a customer or

as a as a worker? Of course you got to go get to pick it up, right?

Yep, you got to pick it up. You can go to a laundry mat. If you go to a laundromat. You can write all that off. Now you can in your home too. But it's a little I mean, how do you track how much water raised or how much electricity you so while your your hourly hourly rate goes up at a laundromat because it's quicker? I mean, you got five washers, I mean, you can have all of them running at the same time. But you do lose a little bit because you have to buy you know the time for that stuff. But yeah, so go to slash gig economy podcast if you want to get first dibs on some of this stuff. launder is everywhere, but it's not. There's no customers here yes for an hour.

I think they do background checks on the people that do it. You

know, because

I can't you if you get some perv and you're

there that's the number one. You're talking about the undies? Yeah, the number one question they get is the underwear and they're like, you can just wash your own underwear. It's probably like 1% of your total Daily laundry if you think about it, yeah. But I, you know, I can't remember in the interview, if they did do background checks, they have a ton of insurance. In fact, I'm telling you the whole interview, go to patreon and listen to it. It'll come out it's coming out in December for for all you cheap Fox. I just said it. I was gonna stop. But then I just said, um, the insurance they have if your machine breaks at home with you pinky out. Yeah, I am kind of. I was hoping that if your machine breaks, they'll cover it. Really? Yeah. And then the acid is like, Well, how do you know, it's a job for Lunder? I'm like, well, that's what insurance investigators are for. They can figure that stuff out. Yeah, I mean, but the insurance is insane. Like if you rack you know, because you're supposed to check all their pockets, let's say for whatever reason you had a pen in the load before for your home and then it ruined. It's covered. Wow. So great insurance, which is good. But not to spoil.

I won't spoil it. But you should definitely check it out. Because the pay. The pay is nuts. It's nuts. It's it's not going to spoil it. So go

check it out. In fact, when I when he told me how much the worker gets paid compared to what they're making, I'm like, how is that even sustainable? He's like, Don't worry, I got you. I was like, Damn, this guy really takes care of his workers. Right. So pretty nice. All right, my God, we're like 40 minutes in we're only on our second ad spot. Where are we at oil Ober. Joe go to oil. They just signed up for another three months. Thank you guys so much for believing in us. They need new technicians. What oil Uber does is they are on demand oil change company they come to you. So they need customers, you can be a tech or a customer doesn't matter. All oil And now with jumpstarts. I just bought my jumpstarter. So Brian, get me some business over here. I am ready to rock to help people. Nice. You can do that too. You don't have to just change oil, you can do fuel delivery or jumpstarts. So pretty badass oil for all that information to sign up to be a tech or to be a customer. It's all right there. We can't thank them enough for supporting us. And I'm really hoping these guys take off. It's It's It's a great idea. And why would you want to pay for those really loud? Sorry. You know, I think about the jumpstarts. You know, to go through your insurance app. I mean, especially if let's say it's bad weather. That's when everyone seems to need it, you know, in a bullish course. Right. You're gonna wait three hours to get a jump right. You call oil Ober or you request one. There's drivers driving around with either jumper cables and or jump box. And we all know Just be careful when you're doing it. We talked about this last time. Yep. So thank you oil. boober oil Uber for supporting. Okay,

this is just a Alright, so this next one is a guy that lost my spot. All right. It's a video of a door Dasher.

Yeah, we've seen people steal food. You know, eating off the chicken nugget. Yeah. scraping off the spaghetti of that guy in India.

Yeah. But this is something I haven't seen before. So this was pretty interesting.

Yeah, it's very short. But we'll play it and we'll just describe it for the audio listeners. That's it. The comment is do you think cameras didn't exist? Hope doordash fires you? So basically, it's she comes in, she drops the food. She takes a picture of it. She picks the food up and walks away with it. How did she think that? Like? Am I missing something? Is there some sort of loop to not get fired from that?

I almost wonder. I mean, when I saw it, I was like, This can't be real like somebody. Of course you think that about a lot his videos that you see you're like, somebody can't be that stupid. I know like reaching and like that guy who ate the chicken wings on the way to the door like, Are you that stupid that you?

Well that guy wasn't even the member in the article that wasn't that wasn't driver. I'm passenger. I think he was like, bombed, right?

Where the guy I mean, any of the guys, the guy who was sipping the drink at the door?

Oh, yeah, that one. Or the guy that rubbed the ice cream on his nuts. Like, here's a tip for all you new people. There's cameras everywhere, everywhere. Every house. I mean, you can get a friggin camera for like 30 bucks now and it works great with high def, so don't do that don't steal food. Like what does she expect that? What does she think is gonna happen? Yeah. I mean, you have a car. You're not that broke that you can't eat right? It's very bizarre. Why did you look that way?

I don't like the corner. My eye looks like thing was shaking. I was like, well, we have an earthquake or something.

I don't know. Maybe I got a little excited.

Okay, this kind of

this one kind of goes hand in hand. Yeah, I'm

trying to find gosh. Oh, here we go. The tech says this is your grubhub driver David. I love your order. outside of your front door, so that's a pretty standard text. Now with the pandemic, it's already pre written for you. That was that 603 at 611 says don't go away till I verify please

I'm at home like feet up on the on the couch watching TV. Yeah, that man's later Yeah,

that's my last delivery of whatever the day I'm gone. I I drop it and leave. I mean, first of all, it doesn't matter what's in that bag. The driver has nothing to do with that right? He can't control it. Even if you complain, he's gonna say you're gonna have to call support which I've noticed Uber Eats and grubhub are really good with the customers they usually give you credit for whatever is F dot.

I ordered a Uber Eats. Last week. I ordered a will just say I ordered an item and didn't come right and I got a $5 credit.

What do you mean the ordered item? Listen, I

ordered a Big Mac with extra meat. Okay.

You got me?

You get me coughing you got me?

Oh, yes, PR Don't be talking about London calm. They're not they're not paying for this crap. You're banned.

Alright, so this next one is an app that is available on is it on both stores? Or just Google? I assume it's on both?

Uh, yeah, it is. Okay.

It's called neighbor. And it is a space sharing.

Yeah, it's like Airbnb for storage or storage. Yeah, I'm gonna play this video. It's dumb. I YouTube was down. Before we were I was gonna actually pull a video with sound, but I'll just play it anyways, I don't even know if it really shows anything. It's no sound. So it doesn't really help our audio listeners. But I did look at if you go to tickets, let's see if it pulls the app up or the website. Now it's like or something like that. But yeah, there's stuff in this area. I looked at it Oh, yeah. It's it's live here. So basically, it's just like Airbnb for storage. But I don't know if I'd be like, if I had a two cell garage, right? And the person says why park on this side and then you can store your stuff in this side. Okay, what do you start a car? Okay, fine. That would be totally fine. But if you had a bunch of boxes and furniture like in the wintertime, my car melts in the garage and all I mean, that seems weird that you would do that. I don't know if I would

also brings up a lot of you were talking about how the laundry service launder launder. Thank you. Is all the insurance. Yeah, you wonder about that for I mean, you think you need a lot more insurance for storage?

Yeah, I mean, it's probably one of those loopholes. Right. We should ask s Jackie about that. Yeah, because I mean your homeowners insurance covers everything in your home but what if you're making money out of it? Because now you're using your home as a commercial? Yes commercial so that kind of throws everything out the window as we found out with Uber and Lyft yeah rideshare But yeah, I don't know. I don't know I mean, I guess if I had like an empty shed I would do it like that's not attached to my home right? I don't know

I just to me I just don't know I just don't know people who have like random space to be storing other people's stuff

well, first of all what I was gonna say is like people have so much shit like I can see the need for it but like everyone although people watching online can't see it but through that door under there the entire thing is could fill with stuff. Now you can't stand up in there it's like it's you have to it's like a crawlspace but I have plenty of room to do it. But would I do it what I want someone else's stuff in there I would just feel it's awesome. I mean potentially a fire hazard


I mean, why would it be a fire hazard

I don't know

it's more issue with a flood Yeah, everything I have in there is in totes just in case we have like you know the flood from Noah you know man, I already have water issues in my in the backyard there so everything I have in there is totes But yeah, I don't know. I mean, just throwing it out there if you're looking for another gig you got an empty storage space I think it's or neighborhood calm something like that.

The name the app just called neighbor so yeah, see a website on there.

Yeah, um, the thing that's my bad My bad. All right. Just want to touch speaking of insurance. perfect segue. Perfect.


a Jackie from the office. We made that up. There's no that's not a word. It's it's Michigan insurance and financial service. Me AFS my office. I don't know. Jackie is my agent Jackie. Is you aspers agent he just switched. She can save you a ton of money, especially with the insurance reform please call her at 269-569-6127 that is her cell phone doesn't go to the business line or anything or email her Jackie at Mia Fs calm. She saved me a ton of money. You work directly with her. We don't want to say broker What did we establish last time?

I don't think we did you think you were going to talk

to her? No. But But yes, we said something and insurance. independent agent, independent agent. Thank you. Jackie is an independent agent. And she basically shops a bunch of insurance companies and finds the best one for you. Yes, it was shocked how much money he saved and either his guy was ripping them off or Jackie's amazing. I'm gonna lean towards Jackie's ma right? Of course. But yeah, she saved me a ton of money. So your next, your next on the list. Thanks, Jackie. You're next to 69569 6127 or email Jackie mia All right, I'm up next. This mic stand is really getting in my way. Like, can you notice I'm kind of like, like, bear like, I don't know, the monitor is all screwed up.

Okay, you know, your again is the ones that hang from the ceiling.

We've talked about, you know, yes, we're out of town when the boss is away.

Why I brought it up.

Let's play. Let's go to Sweetwater calm and start doing it. All right, this is out of our ship shopper group in Grand Rapids. In the first sentences sometimes I really asked myself are bundles worth it? So for people that are new, and I they weren't doing this when I was doing ship back in January, but they're not bundling orders together. Like you'll get a price for two, instead of like being wanting to, like normally you could accept those two on their own and you'd make more money. It's kind of like where grubhub will give you like I had it today I got a Panda Express for like $11 and like, Hey, would you want to add this one for five more dollars? So you're getting five more dollars but if you would get that separate? It would it would probably be 11 or 12 right? So they're trying to bundle it together because you're already there and I didn't take it because it was the first runs of the morning but so this is a text exchange with customer it says Wow, this is the worst order I've ever gotten. This is the customer you just rang my doorbell at 10pm and woke up my two children who rings the doorbell by the way like at 10 like maybe a light knock you know and if no answer like idiot what my two children who does that you didn't let me know you're on your way. There's a tech there's a spot in there it says on your way Tech's hit it every time guys used to substitute items without asking when you were supposed to contact the member. You contacted me an hour and a half before you actually delivered me things, then proceeded to deliver them two minutes before the cut off as a customer. This is horrifying as a ship shopper. I can't fathom this. Do better. This is embarrassing. I've been a ship shopper since 2017. And this is the worst shop I've ever seen. He says Hi. Sorry, you feel that way. I apologize. I looked in it looks like I got everything correct. Besides the Hershey candy, I apologize. I'm sorry about ringing the doorbell that was a bundle order with $3 order and I had to make a lot of substitutions for her. I also met to send you on the way text but apparently, I did not hit that my apologies. She says I figured you didn't it's obvious you made substitution because you put too much on your plate and you didn't want to take the time to see if I wanted that substitution. It was a lazy move. If you can't do multiple shops in the time slot then don't. I'm not paying for a wrong item because you bit off more than you can chew. It also has nothing to do with you bring in someone store at 10pm on a weeknight. Don't apologize for someone feeling something that's called gaslighting. Okay, she gets a little crazy at the end, either apologize for the quality of service, which is poor. That's not my feeling. That's fact or saying nothing but thanks. I'll be sure to mention this when I report this stage q

need a drink after read all that? Right? Yeah, I mean, that guy did everything wrong. I'm not gonna lie. It's stressful to take multiple shops when I take your Are you forced to do that? Okay. Now a lot of these smaller ones, they're bundling, which I won't do. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna get paid less. Just because I'm in the store. It's still it's everything is the same amount. I can see it for food delivery, because you're literally walking through the door, taking a bag and putting it in your hot bag and then walking out. Not that much work, right? Are you doing a ship shop, you're getting paid less for that second order, but you're still doing all the shopping, you're still checking out, you're still driving to the customer's house. Like none of that's changed the instacart

was doing that too. When I was doing instacart in the middle of COVID. Okay, there were you know, I'd go to try to find some orders and they'd be like, three, two or three of them all bones up together and you know, I'd never done grocery really, I had been signed up for a while but I've never done it because I didn't need to you All right. rideshare Yeah. And, you know, I just like, I don't I'm not at the point where I feel comfortable doing two or three order shops yet. I'm trying to survive doing this, you know, 25 item order, let alone,

right. It is stressful because they at least on ship, they really penalize you if you're late. Yeah, like it's a big, it's a big hit. They do not like it. Which makes sense, because people are there for that hour. Like, yeah, if you're home, you're a stay at home mom or dad or whatever, it's fine. But so I would never take an order. Like, if I take two orders, if they were over 20, I would get stressed. Yeah. And I'm not as organized as a lot of these people that are doing ships. So the

other thing, you know, when I was doing doing shipped, it was like, everything was always gone. And you know, there's couldn't find anything. Just

It was like, when the pandemic started, right. Oh, yeah, I bet that was a nightmare.

Just I don't have no, I can't do this.

Well, I'm and I think people have started getting used to this, like saying that wasn't there. But I think early on, people are probably fussy, but then they're like, this is the reality. So you either deal with it? Or, you know, don't get it, you know, right, you shipped. What else was I gonna say? Oh, they now are offering early drop off. So that's cool. So that kind of helps you on on time, like it shows you early drop off is okay. So if it's scheduled from 4pm to 5pm. If you want to shop it early, and get it done with and get onto something else, you can do that. Oh, nice. So that's nice. But the bundling is horseshit. Yeah, so I'm not I won't say I won't ever do it, but I probably won't ever do it. I mean, it's just as much work. Why don't you pay me the same amount of money right? Like it's stupid. Yeah, I didn't share the pictures of this because they were kind of gross.

Yeah. So this next article is, I found it just kind of randomly. Was Uber passenger was 20 claims driver grabbed her and hit her in the face when she tried to hold it the UK is that UK site your UK mail? It is I got like ads popping over everything. Even on my tablet. Oh god. Oh, I just clicked on.

Oh, no. Great. Not gonna virus. I told Yes. briary bought the already bought the arms. But yeah, so Pete's gonna want to get this up is going to talk about some girl

that got sick. When she tried to escape after he started asking weird sexual questions. And so the driver apparently slapped her and hit her in the face. The pictures are are bad. Yeah, they're pretty girl I was a slap in the face is not like is pretty bad. It's way worse than a slap in the face.

It just brings up what was the whole scenario around those two anyways, it was just a random pickup. Like,

yeah, yeah, she was taken over to her boyfriend's house, when he started asking like weird sexual questions. And she tried to pretend that she was on the phone yoga. And then he refused to stop at a gas station apparently and then turned into a dead end. Hmm.

Yeah, this is where zoom right in Detroit comes in as a female you can request a female only driver female only is that the right way to say?

Like a female? Just request a female driver.

Yeah. You don't have to say the only part. Because Yeah, okay. You can request a female driver, which is great. And I wish Uber and Lyft would do that. It would be a game changer. I mean, yeah, it would suck that you wouldn't get the as many rides as a male. But I mean, if you're, you know,

here's what she said. She said, girls, please never get into an Uber alone. Yeah, and if you do, sit behind the driver.

Hmm. That's a really good idea. Which as a driver Hey, we hate Sam. Sam. Sam is she was taking Ubers for a while. Like when she had all the car wrecks. Yeah.

17 car Actually, yeah, the 72 weeks.

With 17 apps.

It makes sense. Yeah. But when I try to think of my safety, as well, yeah, I don't want somebody sent behind me.

Yeah, but are you gonna say something to somebody? I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't either. No, it would just be I would be on alert. Yeah. Like it would, it would, the spidey sense would be up and you're like, Okay, this person sitting by me. super weird. Especially if you and then you get people to sit behind you. Maybe they're just oblivious. Because they still just have a conversation with you. I'm like you're talking to the back of my head. Yes. On the other side. We're kind of angled back and forth, right. Oh, crazy. Yeah, Carol chimed in zoom right to safer for women for sure. Hundred percent. I mean, I you have a daughter I have a daughter. like yours is old enough to use the right chair might not quite there yet. But I want them to be safe out there that freaks me out. Like there's creepy guys. I mean screw bird. I mean all those guys out there. What

are you laughing at?

You say screw What?

No, I never said anything of this.

What are you talking about? These headphones growing out? Yes, we're time for new headphones.

I'm a pulpy they don't even think that I would even try to say that. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Okay. All right. This is like shipped heavy. This is from I think a Oh yeah, this is from a shopper. Alright, so yeah, just go ahead and not look at your phone rant. I know my texts are going through because I only had a few customers. I only had a few customers answer me right away. Remember when I'm reading this sometimes it you know might not be English, or, you know, I typed it. But my last six customers of the night nothing list of subs. I texted because three of them put in notes text me for subs, I think did and you didn't effing respond for the entire effing shop. Some of them didn't want me to substitute on my own until I asked them first. And I did. And they completely ignored my messages. So help me if I get complaints to them, I'm going to effing lose it. And if you're not going to look at your phone, put in notes ahead of time you ephors I know we don't really say it. But that was a lot of apps. I wasn't going to rant on that. I like that. I like that next that that next comment. The people who put this is from the Yeah, this is a comment that people who put text me for subs are the types to ignore their phones when you do just that. Why though? I don't really have an issue with that.

I'm not like I did when I was doing

instacart people wouldn't text you back.

Or I would text them. You know, a couple things. Like I said, when I was doing this, it was right, the beginning of COVID. So totally out. Yeah, your text was always out. Yeah. And they wouldn't respond or respond. And it's probably I don't know, if it was two thirds of the time, but somewhere between a third and two thirds of the time. I'd be in the checkout. Oh, can you grab this instead? No. Should have answered 15 minutes. Well, if

I'm at checkout Peace out, it's not happening. I mean, it's it's definitely not happening. And I won't I'll actually make a substitution if I don't hear from them. And I mean, would you rather have I mean, there are some things that my wife buys from Meijer that is like, No, nothing like if you buy an any if the off brand. I'm not going to eat it. Right. But I actually would rather like I had the deli was closed. I think the deli is closing a lot early. And I had a roast beef shop. She did texted me back. And you know, she wanted half a pound, but it was close. I was like, hey, do you want me to grab like the box stuff? And she said no. But if she didn't text back, I probably would have grabbed up, you know, whatever, those containers a pound or half a pound roast beef. Because what if it's for sandwiches for the kids in the morning or husband or whatever? Like I would rather have it? I don't know, some people would like don't do that. But I don't know if I'm doing that. As

as a shopper, you're better off substituting anyways. Yes. Because if you remove the item, you make less money, right? Because the money you you get. And I don't know if it's probably exactly the same for ship too, right?

Yeah, I think is it per item? Yeah, I think you get a base of like, five bucks in this like 7.5% of the total? Right? Something like that now. So um, yeah, I mean, it's, I would just Yeah, but I would just be pissed as a customer if now if they did it without texting me, right. But you're also you know, the rerouting the phone number through their system. So I mean, ship goes down sometimes. So I don't know that guy saying like he had the last six. Not texting back seems a little extreme.

I had a day when I was doing instacart at all day where nothing was going through and was going through and I even asked a couple of the other. Oh, they same thing.

So must have been on there. And yeah, so that's like a nightmare, right? I would stop shopping that day. I would be like, Alright, I'm taking the rest of the day off.

I mean, that's one of the things that contributed to just not doing Yeah, you started at the worst time. Yeah,

it's better now. I mean, I've done two or three since I've been maybe four or whatever. Since I've been back and they barely have. Everything's in stock. Yeah, I mean, although I haven't that you still

can't find like a lot of baking stuff, though. Oh, really? I haven't been in the like when I went. I made blueberry pie last weekend from scratch. So good.

You did or your streaming partner.

Well, I made everything. Oh, you did? Yeah. I thought she was watching her. She was streaming in California. Oh, okay. I like cooked along.

Okay. I thought you would like to youtuber together on streaming and you and she was baking it. Okay. Does she have a baking stream? Is that her thing?

She's got a lot of things makes cooks Games Video games. Nice.

Okay, so anyways, shoot.

I don't know what Oh, yeah.

You are having trouble finding supplies? Yeah.

Is there What do you mean? Yeah, they were like there's still like when I went in there, I had to get some Baking powder or something and like the yeast completely sold out? Yeah,

man if I would have known that we up at the cabin my mother in law's cabin that's like Amish country. There's yeast for days. Yeah guy brought some down for my my, my other buddy. He's like if you they have anything up there even some of the spices like I had to buy all spice and the Meijer ban was completely sold out. The other brand was completely sold out. Wow. Yeah. It's just like if you're gonna make pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving, you

better start buying spices now. There's

your warning. Yeah. Oh, man. That's bizarre. All right, last article before we jump into Facebook shenanigans, and so yeah, no, this isn't me. Oh, yeah, it's fine. While it's fuckface. But it's real quick. Basically, the DOJ do treatment of justice. But why would they clear Ubers? Like, that doesn't seem seems weird. But the US Justice Department has cleared Ubers 2.6 5 billion acquisition of food delivery compact yet.

They're said to clear it. No. And they think

no, it says the us the right. The first sentence says the US Justice Department has cleared Ubers

the first sentence on article I didn't go into the article. I just went by what the headline said, Oh,

you're right. You're right. Anyways. So basically Uber Ubers buying Postmates so Postmates is live here. I've used it. It's terrible. No, no, as a customer, I did it as a driver. You don't even know what you're getting. Like you don't know any money. And I looked back at some of my Postmates deliveries last winter. And they were like $3 plus $1 tip for dollar. Like I was just throwing it on easy to buy me a two king size candy bars. Yeah, I mean, it was but that that some of that was even food delivery. Like from Wendy's and I'm like, who even does this Postmates anymore? Why would you even do it for like $4 somebody tipped $1 I don't know. I don't like their setup. So I'm curious to see what Uber does if they like just keep Postmates around now I know Postmates in like California is huge. And my guess is the prices are a little up but around here. I don't know if

I can't imagine they're gonna keep just Postmates do like

they do everything do everything. You can get anything delivered.

I just I still like and I said this last show too. But it just it's mind boggling to me that Uber has already gotten into like delivering other random stuff besides Yeah, they already have that's one

you actually have neither of us it hit the mic. Yes, sir. is usually the problem. He's adjusting his shit up and down.

Tim oh

you're right they already have the infrastructure if that said some something up and like, Oh, hey, bro. Someone just bought a microwave from BestBuy? Can you go swing by and pick it up and deliver like, and lift was supposed to do something like that? They wouldn't? I don't know. But

I don't think they'll keep I can't imagine why they would keep both companies.

Well, they're not going to get rid of Uber Eats so I hope they shut Postmates down because the way they do it. I don't know anyone that would want to use Postmates as a driver. You don't even know how much you're gonna never sign up for Postmates so it's not worth it. They're still I still getting requests cuz the other day it was a little slow and I got one. But then I got a grub hub right away so I never took it but yeah, it pops up and you just go and you do not know how much you make until after the trip is done. I don't like that. Like every other app. They tell you how much you're gonna make. You know my unless the guy like Uber's like you're gonna make $10 including tip now when you when you when you post the when you're done when you deliver it. It doesn't have the tip on there. One hour later it shows up. Yeah, so they have an opportunity to go in there. Take it up. Honestly, no one's ever done it. For me. It's always showed up.

See I happen allows me I was doing instant one out a lot. Well, I mean a few 10s of instacart.

Yeah. You mean the tip veining? Yeah, right, right. Yeah, Larry said a. Larry. That blueberry pie got off track. I know. He started.

So good. Was it good? So good.

Good for you. That's great. Yeah, Larry says I don't do post mates anymore. I mean, when every other app is showing what you're gonna earn, why would you do one that you're just like, well, I'm just gonna roll the dice. I might make 20 bucks, I might make four bucks.

Also, if you're making three bucks,

I'm not kidding. I'll show you a parable. I'll show you at the end of the show. The base was three bucks and I got $1 tip I'm sure delivered across the street. Like, I know. No, it was bad. Well, I see people on Reddit bitching about Ubers $2 and 50 cent base for deliveries but I've been pleasantly surprised at Ubers even their order ahead ones are pretty profitable because they pay you more for that. Huh? If you order ahead and then you pay for it with their card. I just order it I pull over the side of the rode, and I ordered the food right there when I get it, and then I continue on my way. So that way you're not waiting there. But yeah, he says, I think it'll take a year or so to spin off the Postmates brand. Uber said, The batching technology Postmates has the one thing it does better. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. When a company like that buys another company that does the same thing. Yes. For like the Talon some.

The one the Civic thing, huh? Yeah. Although Postmates I did make good money. They had an exclusive deal with Apple. So I was doing I was delivering thousands of dollars worth of Apple products around Christmas. I wonder if they'll do it this year, too. And you would make it was like a minimum of like 10 or 12 bucks, but then they would double up on them and you would get the same amount for them. And they didn't like put them together like they do with grub hubs. Yeah, that's right. I totally forgot about that. It was actually kind of weird because there was a big process with cuz I mean, I deliver an iPad and Apple Watch and an iPhone in one delivery. I mean, you're talking or Mac. I've had Mac books in there. I'm like, Yeah, man. That's amazing. Yeah, mark out his watch lover by Postmates. So I think yeah, I think in the Christmas season, it's booming. But I mean, right now it's probably not but but but but the day after Christmas, or not after Christmas. day after Thanksgiving. That's probably I'll probably turn it back on again. That wasn't bad. Although I've been trying to stay over on the west side, like west of 131. So the only Apple stores that woodlands. Yeah, kind of gotta be out that side of town. So all right, let's get into Oh, wait, I almost forgot. We have a new sponsor. I love that site we use that's like, this seems good for taxes. Alright, skirting board tax and accounting. They are local to Grand Rapids. You can call Dave at 616-940-1045. So we're talking about taxes. Like he signed up for three months. So we'll be doing some in January too. But now's the time to talk about taxes because y'all know on January 1, you'd be like, Oh,

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Because I'm sure most of you aren't doing quarterly.

No, I know. I've never done quarterly. So get with him 940 1045 It doesn't matter if you're in Georgia or whatever you can do your taxes. I don't know about the state one I don't know how that works if you have to be licensed for the state. I don't know that works. I feel like you can do taxes anywhere I better clarify that with him before. But anyways skirting board tax and accounting 940 1045 we super appreciate Dave for believing in us and you need to get a tax done by a professional don't frickin use TurboTax don't go to h&r block. Pete. Didn't you get audited or something? Didn't you? Did you get that straightened out? Yeah. Well, you better call this guy Well, no, you probably should call h&r block, because apparently he owes money to the city legibly. Allegedly. Don't go to h&r block either. Honestly, most of them are not tax accountants. They are just people that are trained off the street to do your taxes. So just FYI. 940 1045. Thanks, Dave. All right. Now we'll go to Oh, tip time.

Tip time. tip toe.

I actually don't have a picture. Here's your picture. What do you see there?

Not a damn thing. And that's

what I want to talk about. I have seen so much. When I go into restaurants, these doordash drivers. It's mostly doordash and Uber Eats not so much grub hub. No bags. Nobody has bags. What are you doing? Like I would be so I would be so pissed. Like it's already gonna be lukewarm when it's coming to you. Like Have you ever gotten an Uber Eats delivery where it's been piping?

or whatever?

I mean, depending how far away Yeah,

I mean, I don't think so.

The only place that I know that the food is piping hot when I even when I go pick it up somewhere. Sometime it struggles was a wing doozy

I've gotten Little Caesars delivered a couple of times to doordash Have you but that being said I live like a mile away not even probably like a half a mile from that one right there on

fuller and Oh, yeah. But the wing doozy I don't know they put their they dropped the wings in there. And then there's like tinfoil in there sound off. It radiates the heat but you open that sucker up and it's like a furnace. But yeah, please do put a bag in like, I will. I'll let you know if you're listening to the show and you delivered to me and you have no bag. I will be reporting you. I mean that I think about McDonald's drivers. What about them? Because they put the pop in the bag. They do. I mean that we can't control because that bag is sealed. So I put it in my hot bag. I mean, that's where it goes. All my food goes in hot bags and every single time and last is a nice Um, well, even an ice cream delivery I would put if it didn't have anything hot next to it. Yeah. But yeah, I don't see very many hot bags anymore. I think all these people jumped on with a pandemic and they're just like, it's fine. I don't know to me I'd be fussy. Maybe I'm old man. fussy, but no, I agree. Yeah, well, you're an old man too.

That's true. Shut up. Mark.

Don't be a spoiler. What the hell we're not done with the show yet.

What did he say? He said,

What is this popping up? What happened about Amazon driver in that job? I don't want to say at all. All right. Uh, I'm up first Facebook shenanigans. All right. This is from our boy Yes, bird, the Danish mumble mouth. It's from Wisconsin somewhere it says folks this has really nothing to do with rideshare but I thought it was good. It's a picture of a looks like a Toyota Corolla.

That's what it looks like.

And it has a snowmobile on the top. It says folks don't try this at home or state patrol friend stop this vehicle Sunday on us 63 in Polk County, because this isn't a safe way to transfer to snowmobile. If you're transporting equipment this winter you're advised to safely holid secured on a trailer or in a truck. Man I'm what's odd to me. First of all, that it's on top of a Toyota Corolla it's hilarious for

second of all, it's it's loaded wide instead of Yeah,

yeah. Yeah. It's opposite it's loaded the opposite direction the cars

traveling Thank you. I didn't know what kind of words

so it's not aerodynamic. So why wouldn't you? I mean, was I don't know why he did it that way. Oh, probably because he wanted to go through his windows but you still shouldn't be able to strap it through the windows. out what an idiot. Yeah. Larry says use a thermal bag. Yeah, Larry. He knows he's a professional. But yeah, don't transport snowmobiles on Toyota curls. The funny part the he snapped a picture and there's a big ass truck right next to the the car in the road. You like bro? Stop. I bet you that's the craziest thing he said. I don't know. He's a state trooper. He's probably seen a lot of things some crazy shit. Alright. P

Here we go. Skipping.

Oh, shit. No, it's just out of order. There you go. Mark. So

well. This is an this is actually Michigan. I didn't realize this. Yeah,

it's in Detroit area.

Does Amazon driver took a wrong turn onto a Michigan golf course. And drove into a tunnel.

Yeah, first of all, there's several several things wrong with this one. The roadies on is wide enough for a car for one car like it's it's it's it's wide enough for his Amazon van. How did he get on there? I mean, do you ever watch the office or your office fan? Okay. There's a car in a couple episodes. Yeah, there's a scene where Michael and Dwight like follow the GPS and drive into like, enjoy. It's like no stop is like no, this is where the DPS has to go. This is kind of what's done that here. Yeah. in water.

When I when I first started doing Uber and Lyft. I was always using the the internal Uber GPS because it was back when I started it was so much easier than trying to tab back and forth between the apps. And there's an area over by East beltline and Bradford right there. By the college. Yes. Got a lake back there. Yes. And one of the roads dead ends into the lake. No kidding. But on Ubers Uber zap the road goes all the way through. And I was driving it was like 11 o'clock at night. So it's pitch black out. And if there wouldn't have been a barrier across the road. Wow, let's hit because I had no idea. I've never been over that area. I was like 15 feet from from water.

That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I've been using the internal app and Uber a little bit more lately. It's just nicer to it's been pretty accurate. Yeah. I've also been pleasantly surprised. amazon flex their app when it first started was terrible. It's really accurate now. Yeah, it's been nice to have have it inside the app. It's just easier.

I go back and forth. It kind of depends on like, I say I go back and forth. Yeah. I haven't been driving him in months. But I went back and forth a lot because it kind of depends what time of day you drive. Because ways is just so helpful with like, the trash grams and rows that are under construction. Yeah, actually, like, downtown when a random ass road is closed. Yeah, one day and then open the next.

Yeah, ways is great for that. Uber's not gonna get you on that. Yeah, I mean, it's old data that they're doing. And this is for our guests that was in earlier

got this one buddy, right. Oh, can you go I can't hear you speak. Okay.

So this is kind of just funny. It says, pass California ballot measure allows Uber Lyft to categorize workers as car parts. The funny part is is like, I'm pretty. I would say I'm internet savvy. And I saw that logo. And I know that's the onion. Yeah. And it's Bs, but I guarantee some people fell for that. 100% Oh, yeah. So apparently are working as car parts now. So Well guys, we appreciate you we appreciate Irvine's auto repair and Grand Rapids hybrid for supporting the studio and supporting us. We really appreciate everyone. Oh, I made a new slide for Patreon. I'm going to show it new song two. Let's not wait till it kicks in. That's a good riff.

That's a good one.

Anyways, well, I see my little sign blocked the lot. I forgot about that on stream yard. It has the little gig economy. So go to search the gig economy podcast, extra podcast a month, and we're gonna be making some exclusive merch just for Patreon members. So yeah, not just a hat, not just a hat, you might be getting something exclusive, you can only get on Patreon. So slash the gig economy podcast five or $10 a month. We'd really appreciate the support. Like the song man. Some of these songs I'm like, I wish there was like words to it. It's good riff. So Well, guys, thank you guys so much. Thank you for chiming in. Thank you for commenting key. Thanks for being a Patreon member Janet, you to know who else is on? Well, we had CPA hustles I don't know. He said hello, fam. I'm sure he's just looking first. So we had Chris posts. I don't know how to say his last name. Chris. Post him us. post them us. post them us. He signed up for Oh, that's one thing I need to say he we are going to start doing rotating hosts the Esper. Like I said, I don't remember the last time yesterday has been gone. Yes, sir. And I will be on. If you want to be on and you're not from here. We would love to have you on. Maybe not be for the whole show. But we'll give you some articles and things that you're maybe you're passionate about in the gig life that you're doing and to talk about. So Janet, that's open to you in New Zealand.

I'd be fun. That would be really fun.

Like two o'clock there. I think when we go live at night, trying to see anyone else in here. But anyways, if you want to be a guest on the show, we'd love it. Next week, Chris is postgame. This is going to be on we are opened two weeks. Sorry, I keep saying next week, two weeks Chris is going to be on December 9 is gonna be our last show for the year. We're taking the rest of the year off. I think the next podcast falls on like December 23. So we're not going to do that. So we'll be back in January. But just give you guys a heads up I probably won't be posting any content. I don't have time to do a best of it's a lot of work. If we took good show notes like during the show. It might be easier but Gosh, I don't remember. So two more shows left for 2020. So, Alright guys, thanks so much. Have a good night. Bye.

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Unknown Speaker 0:01 Hi guys, thank you for listening to the gig economy podcast. Real quick just want to talk about our beautiful, wonderful smiley face sponsor Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid located on Stafford, just east of 131 off of 44 Street, they are all woman, a veteran owned company, amazing Google reviews, they fix everything I think, but Volkswagens. Maybe everything about German, the Germans, everybody but the Germans. Amazing on hybrids. If you have a hybrid, please take it to them when the dealerships get in the weeds they call Irvine to fix that hybrid. You can call them at 532 6600 or Irvine calm, everything can be scheduled online, you pay online, everything's sanitized when you get back in and all those things. They're great and we really appreciate them supporting us in our venture for you guys. Also Patreon you We'd love to have you as a Patreon member, if you go to slash gig econ podcast. You can subscribe there $5 is just to say thanks for all the free content that we give in $10 you actually get some perks like merchandise before show banter which was a hoot this year third this week. And you we get we do about a once a month we do an extra podcast about arm you know, we try to interview maybe different things last month it was the lead ship shopper for Grand Rapids. So, all kinds of goodies in the $10 tear and we really appreciate the sport. It does help us further our venture of trying to make this the number one gig economy podcast in the world. Alright guys, thanks so much. Enjoy the show. Unknown Speaker 2:07 Alright guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. This studio is sponsored by Irvine's auto repair and Grand Rapids hybrid. We'll talk about them in a little bit. But thank you for joining us. We have yes spur. Hello, hello and Peter. Yo, yo, Pete. Pete not Peter. You guys could do me a favor if you're on YouTube, can you please subscribe and hit the like button and if you're on Facebook, can you please share to your local gig group or rideshare group or whatever so also, we never really talked about this but I want you guys to go to the website it's gig economy gig economy dash podcast calm that's gig economy gig economy dash podcast calm so Check that out. We've updated it. It looks great yesterday has done a great job. So yeah, we would love you to go there. But so, a picnic picnic, we are still doing the picnic. It is coming up soon. It is a couple weeks. Yep. Come we're gonna we're gonna do a live stream from there. I'm going to bring this board. God helped me. And we're going to run it through my phone. God helped me twice. And then yeah, we'll have I think it'd be kind of fun. We'll have like impromptu interviews, people could sit down. It'll be great food and we Unknown Speaker 3:36 are going to try our best to do our social distancing and stuff like that as well. So yeah, it's gonna be outside so it'll be fine. It's outside. But, you know, still for people who are worried about that. We are gonna Unknown Speaker 3:50 I'm not coming. JOHN said he's not coming. So Unknown Speaker 3:53 I know. That's crap. Come out. Why Unknown Speaker 3:55 is john coming? Unknown Speaker 3:57 Well, it's his work thing. He Yeah, I don't I don't blame him and he basically thinks he's gonna have to quarantine himself. Because he works in hospital and stuff. I don't know. Unknown Speaker 4:08 What about what about Unknown Speaker 4:11 later? Yeah. I don't know. I think it's still up in the air with Larry. Unknown Speaker 4:14 Larry, are you in? I think Unknown Speaker 4:18 Aaron says he's actually watching so that's great. I realize time Unknown Speaker 4:23 Aaron watched it's been Unknown Speaker 4:24 a hot second. Oh yeah. Aaron Hey, Sam's not on the show anymore. Unknown Speaker 4:31 And he was talking about that in the chat. I know. Unknown Speaker 4:34 This is weird. I move my mic over to this side and like when I want to talk to yes for I feel like I'm going off mic. Anyways, no one cares No. Unknown Speaker 4:43 So the side before Unknown Speaker 4:45 Yeah, cuz I kept hitting it with my mouse. So I Unknown Speaker 4:48 thought I'm gonna move it over here again, the whole thing? Yes. I Unknown Speaker 4:51 know like this. Unknown Speaker 4:56 So stories from lamis last podcast, Unknown Speaker 4:59 you names and everything. Unknown Speaker 5:01 Yeah, cuz I gave her shit. But we love her. Um, I actually worked. I actually worked. I went out and did Uber Eats and grubhub not last weekend, but the weekend before. I followed through, like I said on the last podcast that I would be going out that weekend, and I did. And I was actually quite impressed. how busy I was for the short amount of time I'm like, man, back in the day, we would stay up to like three in the morning, like I'm working three or six to nine and 11 to two and making good money. So Unknown Speaker 5:39 I'm telling you, if you're still out there, Unknown Speaker 5:43 worried about work. did not go live on YouTube. That's a good job, Jason. It's not automatic. We're going live now. It used to get a hair somewhere. If you if you want to work. It's out there right? At least in the Grand Rapids market. Every single Person tipped at least $1. So I was happy with it. And I plan on going out the Saturday so Unknown Speaker 6:06 when Yeah, you made good money. So yeah, I did. Oh, Keith, how was vacation yesterday? It was great roads was awesome. I mean, we gotta have that question. Yeah, no, I'd be drove 4000 miles back and forth to the canyon. And it was it was a great time. So definitely. Unknown Speaker 6:24 Yeah, we're glad to have him back. How much driving? Unknown Speaker 6:27 Yeah, 4000 miles, right. Unknown Speaker 6:28 We drove at least six hours in a day. Well, two or two other days. We did he live. Unknown Speaker 6:35 All right. Cool. Um, well, good. We're glad to have you back. glad it was safe. And was it restful at all or did it? No, it wasn't that kind of vacation. Well, Unknown Speaker 6:46 it was restful because you You didn't i didn't spend any time thinking work. I didn't think he spent any time thinking travel at all. It was just, you know, we obviously we didn't really do much other than we did. We visited a lot. Nature Park you know national parks you got to see Rocky Mountains we saw Arches National Park we saw the Grand Canyon National Park Of course and then we saw Petrified Forest which is amazing that that's crazy you see this giant pieces of wood which is not what yeah cuz they all petrified Dell Dell crystal but you can see can you can clearly see that they're still that they were wood it's just it's just crazy Unknown Speaker 7:30 so what is so petrified meaning it's like so old that Unknown Speaker 7:34 it's some kind of a process but all the wood has been crystallized so so you see you can see that was bog one still has the structure of bike. Oh, it's all rock and crystals. So it's like Harley Yeah, it's it's it's you Unknown Speaker 7:54 know what I would like? You know what I would really like to see is the the red the Is it the redwood forest that redwood trees where you can like drive Unknown Speaker 8:03 has gone on for those one you could drive through, but it fell. Ah, no, it's Unknown Speaker 8:08 Can you imagine the sound that it Unknown Speaker 8:10 was hundreds of years old? That tree was hundreds of years old. Unknown Speaker 8:14 That's crazy. Crazy Crazy. So, um, yeah, I just want to talk about our telegram group. It's starting to get more active again. We just added do we add a new guy recently? I forgot his name. Maybe someone can look it up. But hilarious. It's not Larry. We did get a new guy. Yeah, just earlier this week. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 8:35 Hey, but it was a comfort right? So it's okay. He thought he wouldn't do that. comfortable. Sure. Unknown Speaker 8:40 Hundred percent. But yeah, go to in our Facebook description or I don't know if it's on YouTube, but you can download telegram and join the group we chat. We're x rated sometimes there's a lot of weird gifts. Unknown Speaker 8:54 So mostly buts Unknown Speaker 8:56 mostly. Pizza or gummy bears, hitting butts. Unknown Speaker 9:01 Not yes first bought so you can rest assured but we'd love to have you in to discuss you know the economy you know Unknown Speaker 9:09 then if that's your boss that's on there then you and I need to talk Unknown Speaker 9:17 is that me Unknown Speaker 9:20 Sorry about that. I'm not sure why I was gonna monitor hey oh Unknown Speaker 9:27 that's okay Unknown Speaker 9:27 wasn't an add on our channel. Yeah, you should just let it play Unknown Speaker 9:33 also in the description we would love a review we have not gotten a review and hot second I know as people are starting to drive more our numbers have been down down which is totally understandable I'm sure a lot of people listen while they're driving but we'd love to review that description is in the Facebook thing as well. Unknown Speaker 9:52 You guys got anything else? You any p trying to figure out what this guy's Unknown Speaker 9:55 name is? Unknown Speaker 9:57 Oh in the group. Yeah. I could probably tell you if you go into the list of all the names it'll say who has been on most recently? I bet he is about the 15th down something like that. But I'm Unknown Speaker 10:12 Bradley overbeck Unknown Speaker 10:13 Is that what it is? Yeah. Hey Bradley. Welcome to the group. Welcome to the group. Alrighty, let's get into our first of course our awesome sponsor Irvine's they may be sponsoring the picnic so that'll be fun got to reach out to them maybe kind of connect Unknown Speaker 10:28 we had that one guy but so Pete didn't have any stories. Unknown Speaker 10:32 He had no series. P Are you gonna be driving? I got my battery replaced but there's still something draining it so I'm going to get my car into Irvine's auto Unknown Speaker 10:41 repair. Yes Get it done because we want you out driving I can't be the only one Unknown Speaker 10:47 I may have to take mine as well because my my rear tire is leaking the van. Unknown Speaker 10:53 I'm glad that the van held Oh yeah, it's still well. Good. Well Unknown Speaker 10:58 anyways, if you need maintenance and stuff Which I got a weird email from Uber saying that they needed my inspection which I gave it to them in February. So I'm just gonna ignore it. But anyways if you need an inspection you can go to Irvine's it is not for free, but they do more than just what the Uber inspection requires. They look over your car to schedule service with them for three to 6600 or Irvine comm you can schedule everything offline, or a woman owned veteran owned company, amazing Google reviews and they work on hybrids. So Leo, you know, if you're in Grand Rapids, you need a little tune up on that hybrid that Prius, take the Irvine's auto repair Grand Rapids highborn. We would appreciate it and we appreciate them supporting the Unknown Speaker 11:41 show. Yes, we do. Unknown Speaker 11:44 All right. What are we doing here? Oh, I'm up for some of them. Yeah, ouch. Okay, so Unknown Speaker 11:50 should take that up with a guy who makes the Unknown Speaker 11:52 high now I know this new mic thing why I decided 10 minutes before the show starts to be like I'm gonna move the mic to the other side. It's totally throwing me off. So Uber is becoming the new trip, apparently because they've launched a new feature called drive pass. So this is only in San Diego right now, but I'm going to kind of run down real quick how it works, you can buy a drive pass for a select number of Uber x trips, requests and pay a zero percent service fee on each of those trip requests. Once you purchase your pass, you have seven days to use the number of zero percent service fee trip request app that you've purchased. After you used all the requests that you purchase, you will go back to paying the 25% service fee. You can always buy more, you can always buy another dry pass at any time. Unknown Speaker 12:39 So the way that works is they're hoping people won't use all the passes. Unknown Speaker 12:44 Well, you wait till I get to the end of it and you'll be like, Alright, this is bullshit. So as an introductory offer, we're discounting the price of the dry pass prices will vary from week to week. So right now it's $7 for 10 requests $30 for 50 bucks. requests are $50 for $107 Unknown Speaker 13:02 for 1010. And then what was the next 130 dollars for 50 Unknown Speaker 13:10 and $50 for 100 Unknown Speaker 13:15 not too good at math, I feel like we're getting left. Or Unknown Speaker 13:19 I'm not good at maths either but so and that's a discounted they said because like the the hundred requests normally would be 300. Unknown Speaker 13:27 But it's just the booking fee them and if they have to pay for the ride on top of that I wanted this. Unknown Speaker 13:32 I don't know about that. So the next slide I threw up on the screen. Basically, your earnings out of 10 trips would save you $23 if you had the drive pass, that's what they're saying. So the more trips you know more trip requests you accept while using dry pass the more you save, dry pass can be used for Uber x trips only ever Extra be received counts against your drive fast. Whether you accept, cancel or decline. So basically you don't take it it just you just lost it. So for us that that are selective it would be Yeah, Unknown Speaker 14:17 that's a Yeah, killer. Unknown Speaker 14:19 That's why I said wait till the end it didn't really have to do with what you said earlier. But yeah, you have to. Yeah, the only thing that doesn't count is rider cancellations will not count against it. But if you cancel decline, Unknown Speaker 14:32 yeah, so looks like you drive out to Allendale to pick up that student. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 14:36 well, but wise. So tell me with this, where would this be worth it? I guess Unknown Speaker 14:42 I don't know. Well, if you can, if you can buy them for certain periods, like when when when it used to be busy and we drove downtown, you know, after midnight, we would easily have 1015 minutes an hour. Yeah, right. So So at that point, get get attend to 20 Pass. Unknown Speaker 15:01 Thanks, Dave. I pass Unknown Speaker 15:03 and you only pay 75 cents. You know, as a ride fee per per drive. Unknown Speaker 15:08 Yeah, if you're if it's only $7 for 10 of Unknown Speaker 15:11 the 70 cents fee per ride right? Unknown Speaker 15:15 What's the average fee per ride in our market? Unknown Speaker 15:18 Well, you got the booking fee. I mean, Unknown Speaker 15:21 it's at least over $1 that there is a rider pay that that comes out or not right so as a driver that comes out of unfair Unknown Speaker 15:31 Yeah, yeah, I mean, again math, but we don't have to break it down because it's been so long since we drove but I don't know. I just don't I still don't think cuz like I if I see a ride is Unknown Speaker 15:43 a nightmare ride for Lyft driver he was punched by a passenger who then apparently tried to spit on a field trip attack happened when she would wear a facemask inside it not that it's Unknown Speaker 15:54 shocking. They're not forcing it on you. Unknown Speaker 15:56 Sounds like Uber's way of trying Unknown Speaker 15:59 dashcam video captured a Lyft driver by passenger. Yeah, because if they know the moment I'm on rosecrans and Crenshaw and you know that she wasn't wearing a mask. When he asked her to put one on he says things escalated from Unknown Speaker 16:12 it's always gonna work out. What happened was Unknown Speaker 16:16 that I said on the app is there, she was already mad because of the match Unknown Speaker 16:22 wasn't jiving to the day Unknown Speaker 16:27 he didn't start recording the Unknown Speaker 16:31 20 minute started shouting out, reached for his charger in the bathroom. In the video, you can also see the woman allegedly spit out a car with the ongoing pandemic. Now worried about his health it gets to me but she wasn't positive. Unknown Speaker 16:51 Now, she's having problems. Unknown Speaker 16:52 I think it was just heading Unknown Speaker 16:54 towards push start investigating the statement live said the behavior shown in the video. is unacceptable and has no place on the lift platform problem. Upon learning of the incidents, we removed the writer community. The company also said it's cooperating with authorities. cobia says he began another driver have to go. Yes. Unknown Speaker 17:14 Camera Unknown Speaker 17:15 justice. Unknown Speaker 17:17 Fair reporting in South LA Candace Chrome's take out my Unknown Speaker 17:20 horrific video. So if you don't want to watch it, you don't want to watch some. Unknown Speaker 17:26 I don't see that hurt. I mean, it slips Unknown Speaker 17:29 through. No, of course not. But it's you know, I wouldn't want to be that pet that driver that's for sure. Unknown Speaker 17:34 No, no, this is why you have a dash cam. So live that then then talk Unknown Speaker 18:37 Oh that's the worst part is Unknown Speaker 19:15 keep replaying that Unknown Speaker 19:17 flame that Unknown Speaker 19:18 makes me mad. And my situation was not anywhere near that by any means. Yeah, but how it is that guy? I'm not gonna say his name that I picked up four times three times. Unknown Speaker 19:37 I'm flaking on it. It's ivory. Unknown Speaker 19:39 Yeah, give me a chance. How does he not get banned right? When he was like that close from doing the same Unknown Speaker 19:50 well doesn't doesn't he just create an account Ali al al Yo, Eliot aliases, uses wife but that only can go so far. I mean, or can you put like anyone's credit card on there as you want but Unknown Speaker 20:04 the phone number, the phone number, so yeah, they have to have a phone number. So, but yeah, I mean I my biggest thing about this and I don't I don't know. You're right. He died I don't know how he get that but going back to the video, I don't I am not somebody who hits but I would have been David Yeah, I don't know if I could have stayed as controlled as that pet as a driver was. Unknown Speaker 20:29 What's weird is he said he didn't start the recording until like right before them like you have a dash cam clear that was a dash cam. Why wasn't he recording? Oh, he was just somebody said it was just weird because like I wanted I wanted to see I actually tried to find that video raw without the news part because I wanted to see what happened before but I couldn't find it. I don't know if he sold it to them. Unknown Speaker 20:51 What state was he in? It could be a state where you're supposed to notify him by before you start recording and maybe maybe he was recording them before they got He didn't he didn't tell her Unknown Speaker 21:00 Yeah, maybe it's a two out of two party party state. Yeah, I don't know. But I would have been livid. Oh my gosh. Unknown Speaker 21:09 Yeah, you can hear that. That punch. Unknown Speaker 21:11 I know I've Unknown Speaker 21:12 been here. Yeah. I want to Unknown Speaker 21:17 like I don't want to do Unknown Speaker 21:21 I don't like it like, really? Yeah, I just and I know it's weird to see food deliveries hot right now. I like famzoo interesting. Why? Unknown Speaker 21:32 What? What don't you like about it? I don't think I don't know getting it out of the car. Like, you mean actually, I know. You don't like to sweat. Would it be better if it was cold out? Yeah. Unknown Speaker 21:43 No, I just you know, I don't know I was in just I was in food for so long. Like I don't want to know I can see that and I want to do I really want to drive people in like those kind of situations. Yes, the Unknown Speaker 22:00 thing is just there's just one more reason for hate just Unknown Speaker 22:06 this whole situation. Unknown Speaker 22:11 Well, everyone's on edge. Like, that's the problem. And that's one of the reasons I told the guys before the show started that Unknown Speaker 22:20 because I get only my news. Unknown Speaker 22:24 News, all the channels just because I get stressed out. It's just not worth it like all the fights. Unknown Speaker 22:35 Everybody makes everybody makes a political thing. It's not political. Unknown Speaker 22:42 It's just, Unknown Speaker 22:43 it's all about their republicans Unknown Speaker 22:51 being real. Unknown Speaker 22:53 So next up is another video and we got this one from excuse me from Reddit. And another great example of what's going on out there so go ahead and Unknown Speaker 23:10 starts out a little slow but Unknown Speaker 23:13 Hello know I just got assaulted by a rider who I gave a ride to on darting Uber. I'm at airport. Unknown Speaker 23:29 Okay, let me explain. She's complaining because originally he didn't let her use the charging cable. So he's a man after my own heart in Her phone's dead. So she's mumbling about she can't even call anybody and stuff. So I forgot that was kind of the prime. I Unknown Speaker 23:43 thought it was because of her wearing that mask thing or whatever she could. Unknown Speaker 23:47 I think it's her Sure. Yeah, I know. Unknown Speaker 23:49 Yeah, I know those males. You can't dial a phone. Enough. Unknown Speaker 24:54 Hello when people like do it behind you and he she smashed his car like smack them, turn around Now he calls the cops. Unknown Speaker 25:04 Cops are gonna do anything. I mean, Unknown Speaker 25:07 but he needs to get it on record right? Unknown Speaker 25:09 Yeah Unknown Speaker 25:16 All right, we're just gonna go back cuz he's just basically cops. Unknown Speaker 25:22 The only thing is she does not if her phone is dead. I mean he did she did drop her off at a gas station. So I guess it I guess a little later in the video you hear that? So it's not just some random spot but Unknown Speaker 25:36 I always kind of like Unknown Speaker 25:37 feel like I went from zero to 61. Again, Unknown Speaker 25:41 you only see just, yeah, you only see what is there. You don't get to see everything else. What happened before after so they kind of control the narrative but Unknown Speaker 25:52 I think it felt like that he decided to drop her off when she kind of continued on Yeah, my Unknown Speaker 26:00 guess it had been going on because she was already when she had covered her mouth. I'd see in her eyes. She was super fussy. So clearly there. Unknown Speaker 26:06 So let's let's look at that situation. Let's say that happened. Hang on abbotswood you guys have dropped off. Would you guys? Would you finish the ride? I will and just accept it and yeah, no, no. So yeah, I can see myself saying no, it's the chords true, but I don't think I would have dropped off. I think I would have just chalked it up and taken her to where she needed to be and then be done. Unknown Speaker 26:31 Yeah, I don't I don't I feel like he really kind of, Unknown Speaker 26:33 he jumped the gun. He jumped the gun quite a bit, and she's Unknown Speaker 26:36 bitching at it. And it's like, but but but then you also say like, Unknown Speaker 26:42 you're gonna get a bad review. So now so some people really want that, you know, I'm diamond bitch. You know what I mean? And they don't want to get a Unknown Speaker 26:50 copy. I was gonna get a bad review anyways. Unknown Speaker 26:52 Unless he cancels the ride. Well, yeah, yeah, she can't review them. Like, even if he drove for 10 minutes. You just can't Sir can't you? Yeah, you can. Yeah, I mean it's been that long since Unknown Speaker 27:06 we bought we all like Unknown Speaker 27:08 can you Unknown Speaker 27:10 think where the gig economy pot no Sam Unknown Speaker 27:12 Sam. Sam says I just did a bit pissy not worth kicking out. Yeah. And I think I'm the same way you know? Yeah, but the thing I think that took him and I understand him Is she was clearly disrespecting him right and some some people don't do that and I can see that you know, so I Unknown Speaker 27:32 I guess I cannot stand you know, I can't even I said that. I felt like he jumped the gun but I've had nights where it's just been a crappy night get a bad run after bad run you finally get that one person there being like her just being disrespectful and you like I've done it. See ya. Yeah, I'm done for the night because I don't want to deal with Unknown Speaker 27:51 I just wish I knew what she had said before because honestly, even if I even though I don't want I do let people use it look like she was coming off the air. plane like she had a lot of luggage like I like airport runs used my charger court all the time like I get it you probably been traveling for eight hours here I can give you a 3% radio you don't even use but the charger cord yes no now the radio they were drunk in a noxious sitting in my front seat but I kind of feel like he should have let her charge your phone to like I Unknown Speaker 28:22 I didn't know that maybe you have a cable that matched true I mean, we could have just said that. Unknown Speaker 28:27 Well we don't know that if we did or not because he cut he only showed us that part of the Bible. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 28:32 but she was kind of acting like he he wouldn't let her know versus like train have the ability. Unknown Speaker 28:38 I mean, true maybe see me again we don't know the whole story. Maybe she was just a stock up all the way right? We don't know. Unknown Speaker 28:45 Yeah. Well, Sam said you can end it not cancel but then they can review Exactly. So if you want to get a one star and report that you were drunk, then go ahead and if you just want to move on with your life and eat the eat the money on that, then Just hit cancel so Unknown Speaker 29:02 I think I would have just taken finished it and taken the one star move on. Unknown Speaker 29:06 Really? Unknown Speaker 29:07 Oh yeah. Unknown Speaker 29:08 No, not me. No me I would have canceled because I didn't want to deal with their shit. All right Unknown Speaker 29:14 way to come I'm made to wait to unconfrontational Is that what it's called? I can see. Unknown Speaker 29:20 Yeah, we know you are. Unknown Speaker 29:24 Sam said it's quiet here you know the last couple weeks the last couple shows that has been quiet. I'm not sure why. But whatever we still love doing it doesn't matter. So I have to lift articles back to back. They're both kind of counterintuitive. It's kind of funny. So Lyft said on Friday that it would distribute 60,000 vehicle partition shields to its most active drivers as protection from the Coronavirus. The ride hailing company in may require both passengers to wear and drivers wear masks blah, blah, blah. And then has provided North American drivers with over 150,000 sanitizing products just wait five minutes for the next article in mass since the outbreak of the pandemic lifted began designing the shields and they're basically giving away for cost and then they'll sell them for like 50 bucks at production costs without markup What do you guys think about that? Would you take a shield? I know we've kind of talked about that. Unknown Speaker 30:24 But yeah, Unknown Speaker 30:25 do you ever hear hear from that shield guy? Unknown Speaker 30:28 And well, but see that's that shield guy was a different shield. This shield is the shield. It just goes over you know, it's Unknown Speaker 30:36 not it's a vehicle partition. Did I read it wrong? Unknown Speaker 30:43 vehicle partition shields to its most active drivers. Oh, Unknown Speaker 30:47 so it's not wrong. Okay. Unknown Speaker 30:50 I was like, I don't think Unknown Speaker 30:51 I would take a shield. I don't know if I would drive but I would take a Unknown Speaker 30:57 while if you can get it for $50 like because obviously You're not even on the platform. Correct. But if you were you wouldn't be the most active driver. None of us know. Right, you know, but I would buy it for 50 bucks. I don't know. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 31:16 would you would you Unknown Speaker 31:18 if lift offered you one today for free? 30 bucks. Would you drive people? I don't know. Unknown Speaker 31:29 I Unknown Speaker 31:32 mean, like, I need to somebody needs to do like a Mythbusters on those partitions, right. Like literally I need to see like spittle and aerosols going to see where they end up. Because if I can see it actually protecting like it's supposed to, then I might say, Yeah, why not? I'd have to see them too. If they look, I'll get out like you've seen some of the pictures on line like saran wrap. I keep seeing the story gets air conditioning for us. fasteners, whereas like the two coming from the front, I mean, that looks really ghetto, but it probably work you hose. Yeah. I mean, I would want to see how it worked. And if it worked well, I think Unknown Speaker 32:11 I would drive. Yeah. So Unknown Speaker 32:13 yeah, I don't know. You wouldn't? Unknown Speaker 32:17 I don't know. I just I miss it. I miss I miss it a lot. Unknown Speaker 32:22 Yeah, key said that some riders would be uncomfortable, but I mean, Unknown Speaker 32:27 why do you think riders being uncomfortable? Unknown Speaker 32:29 I mean, it just feels because it probably looks like a cop car. You know, I think it would change the environment, even though it's a clear piece of plastic. I mean, I'm assuming it's going to be like, Knock Knock plastics. Yeah. I'm sure it would change it a little bit. But I think they would understand I don't I mean, I think if people are taking ride share right now as it is, Unknown Speaker 32:57 yeah, yeah, I think they're gonna mind Yeah, that extra step of well except for the people who won't wear a mask maybe they'll be the ones be upset right? Well, Unknown Speaker 33:07 why would you then I would be less likely to be fussy if you didn't have a mask if there was a partition there so Keith brings up another good point is just another thing to clean if they even work like as opposed to oh my gosh Can you imagine a bar night just go Unknown Speaker 33:24 look in your mirror and you just see it like that like a milkshake Unknown Speaker 33:30 oh my gosh how horrible would that be? Yeah you know the ventilation is actually a good point like my pilot has floor ventilation so they would get air conditioning and heat but like my wife's SUV doesn't have that might neither does my comfort has ceiling. Oh, my comfort car. My bumper he can't his looks like I hit a deer but I don't know if first thing came to my head. It doesn't look like Unknown Speaker 33:56 it does, cuz I don't want to pay eight bucks to get it fixed. hundred bucks. Unknown Speaker 34:01 All right, all right. I told you about the, like one of my last rides doing rideshare when COVID was hitting was this couple and she she she had the entire ride she had her head out the Unknown Speaker 34:17 ride Why? Cuz COVID because the COVID yeah Unknown Speaker 34:23 the entire like it was like a 10 minute ride it wasn't like you know down the block it was like 1015 minutes and the entire ride like I talked to him the entire time because she had her head out the window Unknown Speaker 34:34 she probably wasn't the head didn't ever head screwed on right? Unknown Speaker 34:37 either. Unknown Speaker 34:38 Could be Sabrina asked wouldn't you need some sort of PV to clean the partition? I mean, I guess if you knew that person was positive otherwise I would just Lysol it well, but call it a day. Nice. All the same thing you will PV is personal protection equipment. So that means like gloves. You know, they say when you clamp any other movement, right? Which I don't use. Well, yeah, I guess they use gloves. But Unknown Speaker 35:01 like I used Unknown Speaker 35:05 to scoop it out Unknown Speaker 35:08 broccoli it's gross. Unknown Speaker 35:10 Okay, so my article, I'll be ready to that one though. Unknown Speaker 35:15 Yeah, you can just jump right in. Okay, Unknown Speaker 35:18 so this is about a Lyft Lyft drivers are happy about Lyft selling them pp. So, again, they do say the same amount here so they say it was COVID-19 showing no signs of abating in the US most companies are providing their employees with personal protective equipment such as masks. Ride hailing giant lift, however, is selling PP to his drivers through an online store. And that is not going down well. So basically, again, they're saying they have produced and this the same numbers were the article use that they said today we have distributed 150,000 sanitizing products and master drivers at no cost to them. most active dials will now receive a free safety kit consisting of a reusable cloth face covering sanitizer and disinfectant. But some drivers say the number of PV items lift distributed was woefully low. And after the company closed many of its service centers hops at the end of March they're struggling to get hold of free pp. So basically now they're selling it to the guy was, yeah, what do you but this isn't my cost at least so that Unknown Speaker 36:28 I mean, I I think people forget that. This is supposed to be independent content, but that's the thing. Well, dare Unknown Speaker 36:36 you take my social media posts. I actually use this for a social nice like, aren't we independent contractor Unknown Speaker 36:44 is That's exactly right. You can't have both ways. You cannot have it both ways. If you wanted to be independent contractors, then you have to pay for these things yourself. Right? If you want to be employees, which I don't think most of us want to be employees in California they want to be Yeah, but Unknown Speaker 37:01 You know, that's the thing. If you want to be employed, then they're gonna pay for that. Unknown Speaker 37:04 I mean, do Am I glad that I get it free from other places? Yeah. But if they said that I had to pay for it, I might go somewhere else to buy cheaper. Like, if I can find some I don't have to buy it. You don't have to buy it from them. So if someone's fussy about paying for Sam's Club, yeah, I mean, I feel like the masks are not. They're pretty, like my wife was able to get sanitizer. I think that stuff is all available. Now. I know, early on, you couldn't do any of that stuff. But I think it is now. So if you don't like it, just go by yourself or don't buy it. Unknown Speaker 37:35 I don't get a job in McDonald's. Unknown Speaker 37:37 Right? Yeah, we're independent contractors. They don't owe us anything. You know, everything we get is a bonus. Right? Right. So in fact, I was actually it was kind of cool. grubhub is like, hey, by the way, it's time to order more PP and it's free. Like, every 30 days, they just send you an email and say, Hey, you need more and I haven't really even used any of it. So I probably don't order anymore. I guess I was taken right. I would have a bunch just to say hey, I you don't have a mask. Here's one it's brand new. You have to wear it. That's what I would use it for. So I have my own mask, but cool. So this one's great Unknown Speaker 38:16 Alright, so this next one Unknown Speaker 38:19 guy says had this very interesting exchange the doordash customer yesterday. Dude wasn't happy about missing his missing Whopper and I was adamant that I and was adamant that I immediately refund him Unknown Speaker 38:31 now this one is legit there's one later it says text message Yeah, there's a one later on in our Facebook shenanigans. That's not legit but it's still funny as hell so Unknown Speaker 38:40 so since this text conversations related to a doordash order, you left off a sandwich refund me now exclamation question mark. Pay attention to your transactions refund me refund me. Drivers Sorry about that. I'm not able to issue a refund you have to contact doordash support Four times the same message you do it it's your fault not mine. I was like if you read all those I'm turning your mic dog driver says Have a great day sorry about your sandwich. guy says you suck. Driver says you're rude or says that's rude. guy says you are rude for not doing as your doordash agreement promises driver says technically it's the restaurants responsibility to ensure all items are there. Once they confirm with me that it's all there. I'm not going to unseal the bag to check again. Again, I'm sorry doordash should issue a full refund you'll just have to contact them the guy says that's long and basically useless process. I will just delete the app as every order has issues and the delivery person is lifeless and refuses to help the Hey you let me give you money for nothing. You win. Guys so you see it that way. Hope your next delivery turns out better. Best of luck. Unknown Speaker 39:57 Yeah, I mean, so early on. When I started food delivery, not all restaurants seal their bags like in even now q doba does not right. And I remember when Gabe he would when I started doing a little food delivery with grubhub he said like make sure you check that they have napkins and utensils and everything like that, but maybe with COVID now it's getting more strict cuz now like AAA it's sealed up. McDonald's is sealed up. Not that. That's the first one. That's pretty good that 40 minutes in. So, yeah, I mean, I agree with him. It's not his responsibility, especially if the bag is sealed. But I yeah, I mean, I've used doordash and I have got a refund and it's not hard to do they they are very customer oriented. I've you Transcribed by

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Wait, wait, wait, this is thread seems.


Holy shit. I was just saying to the guys. I'm like, you know threat. Threat doesn't doesn't stream anymore. So I all the settings are the same. Wow. That was awkward. So anyways, hi, y'all. Welcome to. I'm gonna piss everyone off because I want to vote yes, on Prop 22. Tonight we have

Jasper and Pete. Hey, and I'm gonna know

your vote. No, you're off the show.

This studio is sponsored by apparently threads and Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid. We'll talk about them a little bit later. God That was funny. But Ben's gonna get a huge kick out of that. So yeah, tonight we're gonna kind of I'm going to kind of go over some things we're going to talk about proposal. 22. We've already had some Uber or Dave, the Uber slave is mad at us because we're I can't vote. We're from Michigan. So but we feel that you should vote yes. Because you want to stay independent. You don't want benefits. This is not what this is about. We're going to talk about somebody that was charged with an assault after farting in an Uber. That's awkward. We're going to talk about an aunt tripping on acid we're talking about Uber was sued for rider ratings to fire drivers. What else what else? We're going to talk about

restaurants stealing tips, and much more, but lots of fun stuff.

Yeah. And we want to hear what you want to talk about to you know, put it in the comments. We'd like interacting with y'all. And yeah, we we super appreciate it. Just so everyone knows it is Pete's last night on the show. He's pissed. He hates us.

I'm not sure why but

I it's because of the beard. It's because of the beard and look at my beard and look at that.

I'm sorry, do you need me be sorry


No, actually, it does look like you did something with it.

So it actually was trimmed a little bit when I got my well you haven't even seen this hold I knew I could take out I got it cut short again. Wow. It's not long but yeah, my my haircut lady decided I need to trim that up a little bit. So she helped me out but it looks really good. Thank you. So Pete is working full time. Time for an insurance company and he's not going to do any gig work and so yeah, he's gonna just not be a regular but gonna step in as a Yeah, I'm not going away no as a co host here there and and

he'll be back sometimes

you just gonna have to deal with the Esper and i times i hope that's okay Jason so it's just you and me I guess

yeah maybe I'm gonna dry pasture one day and like the house is gonna be burned down

maybe it maybe I'll quit to what?

Oh my gosh if it's just me This is the last podcast you all here so you better get it get your get your digs in before you go on if you can share the the Facebook page with anyone else that you that might want to know the show or want to listen to the show. Also, if you could follow us on YouTube, subscribe and like that would be great. We also have a telegram group where we talk to different people throughout the world New Zealand, North Carolina.

We don't have anyone in California let me say North Carolina you have to say it like North Carolina.

Is that how they say it? Yeah, like the song? I don't know that song. Yeah, I mean, my my. I'm sorry. This is awkward. so awkward.

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Urban similans is talking about urban cap

Who said that? Did you use it?

I said, Irvine and I said that's what I heard. nice haircut. Oh, Megan. Megan is in for

podcast shenanigans. So

Oh, is that? Is that Meghan? No, it's Megan.

I'm just kidding. Probably don't know because my Megan is spelled different. But anyways, no.

Speaking of Irvine's we have to show a video. Hold on. Let me get to that. This is what they do at Irvine's. Just kidding. They have fun. They fix cars, too. So let me see. Yes, sir. There's one for you for hitting the mic. All right, here we go. Here it is.

supposed to do with that airbag.

That was Yeah, I should have explained it. That was an airbag that they had to detonate so they thought let's put

it in a pumpkin. If you ever had an airbag go off. Yeah, don't worry friends

when I basically drove in a big hole on 131 and my air and put $1,000 worth of damage. And so now the airbag went off. How'd that feel? It's frightening. And I had airbag burns. Yeah. Because I was driving like it actually burned where my tattoo is because I was driving like this. And it went off and it just

my brother. His airbag went off in an older car that he had. I think it was a dad shadow. Okay, and if you remember those Yeah, I do. I just dated myself here. Yeah,

they were not the most quality

automobile. But yeah, it went off like broke his glasses on his face. He had like burns all over his face.

Yeah, I just had it on my arm. My are mostly scared the shit l every time.

Speaking of Mark Mark

marks always got our jam. Yeah, it scared me. It was so loud. My ears were ringing for like, I don't know, half hour. 45 minutes. But Wow. You wanna hear the story about that? You know? I've never

heard that. No. This the same level you have?

Yeah. Wow. It was almost brand while brand new to me. Okay, this is embarrassing. So, you know, on the highway, they cut out like these huge sections of concrete. And they repair them. Right. They you know, especially on 131 that's not as a construction. Yeah, it's always under construction. So I was it was raining. It was like 230 in the morning. I'm tired. Okay, and I go over so the cones stop and I go over to get off I haul speaking of haul and there was there was no there was no cones in front of the whole I drove right in the hole right? It was probably three feet deep. And then I went down and then of course I didn't go back up and smash right into it and airbag went off

to get airborne.

No, I wasn't going fast because I was it was raining and I was slowing down to get over so I was probably I was probably doing 2530 but enough to pay the thousand

dollars going that. That's I mean not that slow. But I

mean it destroyed the front end.

I like how you say there was no no colon there wasn't sure

I actually took a picture. And I there was no corn afterwards. No, listen.

You will notice yes for that. Jason's got some

what some hand movements tonight?

No, maybe it's the haircut. It is I feel lighter. No, but listen, listen, I'm serious. Like you're you're cutting my story off. I took pictures of it there were no cones. Like when I got out I like once I maybe a minute or whatever a guy drives by construction worker. I start rolling film. He's like, Oh my god, there was no cones there. Holy cow, we better get that taken care of I go you think you didn't

pay for that? Did you

know I sent it to the insurance company. I sent him the video. They're like, Oh, yeah, no problem. We got this and I never paid a dime is everything got fixed and

they send it on to the company that was like the government. He

basically says he goes, You know what? You're not gonna have to hear from me again. This is all taken care of. So

you have to tell Megan that story tomorrow because he's like, Whoa, what Megan Irvine? Why? Cuz he's like giving him you know, faces like, she's never heard about that.

Are you flirting with Megan? Because he

was Nah, I think he did. Paying attention to the chat, man. Maybe you should do that.

I have Jason, can I do that? No, I have many things. To focus. I just do the back.

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Did you say try to find a vaccine?

Yeah, for breaks for breasts for breast cancer. There's no vaccine for cancer dude. What do you think they work on all the time? Yeah, super. vaccine. What do you think HPV is that your daughter gets at the at the doctor. That's a vaccine so you don't get cervical cancer?

Whatever, whatever. It's a cure for cancer. Well, instead of actually I guess that's,

that is a cure. My daughter gets a vaccine two shots for HPV. And the boys get it too. I guess

I've never heard explain this, I guess. Yeah, I'm for cancer. Well,

yeah, that's actually I got that from them. So if you think it's bullshit, you

know, and Megan, Megan put me in my spot. Sorry. Thank you see,

breast cancer vaccine me so but, but how crazy it is that with the HPV that my daughter gets it and she will not get cervical cancer.

Like that's awesome.

They need that for everything. So one day, we'll kick cancers ass.


All right. Sorry. I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

Oh, no, I want you to brighten. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Okay. As long as you admit it, okay, so

I'll tell you,

prop 22 we're gonna watch a video of someone that wants it and does it and let's just have a discussion. So I'm gonna play that real quick. And then we'll come back and chat.

That's right. Well, many rideshare workers call this decision of victory, many worried that it could affect their bottom line. And even though Uber and Lyft are expected to appeal the decision, they are spending 10s of millions of dollars to bring the issue before voters in November,

independent contractors have been keeping a community society moving

out. Porsche was grateful to switchover from driving for Uber and Lyft to delivering groceries and food during the pandemic. But feels like California judge's ruling suddenly threatens his freedom and flexibility. We have the option to work

either during the day

in the middle of the day, late at night,

Porsche drives in San Diego he says handling deliveries on his own time is an ideal gig for an army veteran. But in a stunning decision Monday, a judge is ordering Uber and Lyft to stop classifying their drivers as independent contractors and instead make them employees as stipulated in California's A B five law is called independent contractors. They don't have to pay their their fair share. Mike Robinson drives for Lyft and is a member of the mobile Workers Alliance which hopes to form into a union. He's part of the gig economy workers demanding minimum wage overtime, sick leave and other benefits the law affords them

have been older. We need medical insurance.

This is more about unionizing drivers than it is about drivers getting benefits due to Bell maintains independent contractors can actually earn more than full time employees. I was a full time driver. And I was making approximately $30 an hour. She's counting on the November election when voters will decide on Prop 22 ballot measure backed by Uber and Lyft would override a B five by classifying all gig economy workers as independent contractors.

We're gonna keep fighting. We're not going to give up.

So we'll drivers on the other side,

will Shriver support prop 22 it allows us to keep our independent

contractor status and flexible schedule. How that

shakes out, we'll know when voters turn in their ballots in November. As for the author of AB five San Diego Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, she is praising the judge's ruling tonight for demanding quote, Justice for hundreds of thousands of drivers seeking benefits in California.

Alright, we're back.

Such a sensitive topic. Absolutely. When you get hate before you go live, it's usually maybe you

should specify out to start by talking about you know, AB five, prop two and not a beaver. So prop 22. What does he mean? And what does no mean? Let's stop by that. Yeah, I

think most of the people that listen to our show and obviously follow us are want a vote of Yes. So basically, if the no vote goes through, Uber has to classify their workers as employees. All right. So they have to offer benefits, sick time, like everything you do for a W two employee, not not an independent contractor.

And if we if we go yes, then we got to do everybody gets to stay as independent contractors, right.

And now now there's obviously probably more details than what we're just saying. But that's the gist of it. That's

the basic gist of it.

Yeah. And there's just there's I feel like I see more vote no, when I'm on Reddit and stuff like that. But it's like, Why Why?

It's kind of worded weird. Those maybe if you don't understand it correctly, that well,

that's part of the that's part of the problem is that depending on who's putting out the surveys, right, they're wording them, you know, oh, I don't want to say confusingly, but confusingly

Well, that's what legislators do. Right. Both sides. They're both doing it right. I mean, the vote yes. Or vote? No. I mean, I I just to me, how is that sustainable? It's not sustainable. I mean, I know they have gobs of money, but, I mean, it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work. And I I personally feel Uber and Lyft are gonna pull out for a while if that gets so and then what do you got? You ain't got shit, then you don't have anything. So Dave. He says, and so Dave is is on from from YouTube. And he goes, I'm driving in California. We are voting no on pro proposal. 22. So Uber can't keep effing us over a union union gives us a seat at the table to negotiate a better deal. But and and we understand that you guys want that we all want a better deal. The problem is, comes with strings.

Well, yeah. And do we do we really want that better deal? I mean, do I don't want to give up my I don't want to give up my status of independent contractor. I didn't want to have this as an extra eight to five job.

Yeah, I mean, I want to reiterate what yester said, I think all that would be great. I mean, I'm not saying I don't want any of that stuff. But we're not really taking Uber side, we're taking our side. Exactly. I want to be an independent contractor. I don't want to have a boss Tell me when I can go online. And when I already have one of those bosses. It's not a bad boss. But I mean, I have to be to work at 730 every day, and get my work done. Now, you know, I went out today, it was slow as hell I said screw it came back and did some editing work. So I mean,

Dave, we can we all agree the fact that Yeah, they have taken too much of the pie right now. Those things we agree with that. And we don't want him to do any of that thing. But we don't believe at least the three of us in the studio right now. We don't believe that the answer is to become employees.

me read something, but I found an article, okay.

That was a little loud, because I bumped up for that video.

The most murky benefit is guaranteed wage for proposition 20 to ensure 120 120% of minimum wage, and 30 cents per mile for drivers adjusted for inflation,

wait 120% of minimum wage, so they would get paid 120% of minimum.

But there's a pretty big catch. The guarantee is only for engaged driving time, right? defined as the time between accepting a service request and completing the request.

So not sitting at the airport, right? So you actually have to be in transit. Well, we kind of talked about the Seattle one where you said that you at least had to have that one ride. If you had that one ride and you made three bucks, you at least would get 16 for that hour. So it's kind of something like that you have to be

but I don't I wouldn't want to drive Uber if I made the $16 an hour No. Why no.

Someone from actually periscope I think it's our first comment from periscope says it's better remain independent contractors. You need to want to take away our freedom. I mean, I am not a I feel like there is unions for the right thing like the basketball Union, the sports union is bullshit. I think that's dumb. I think, you know, a union for a worker that is in terrible conditions like, yeah, I, I get that if it's a W, you know, they already get benefits or whatever. I mean, I don't know, I flirt the line with it. I'm not against unions, but I'm not for them. I'm just like they have their place, but not in rideshare. Not in gig economy. That's the whole purpose. You're gonna kill the actual gig economy if you do this, not just for Uber and Lyft. But for Amazon, then doordash. And all the other ones. I don't care if they fund

it. I don't care at all. They started the proposal 22 because they don't want it.

And they already gave California the cat's meow. Anyways, before this, they were like, letting them know how far everything was like, and you didn't even have to have diamond status. Right?

Again, again, they we were not necessarily on Ubers side.

No, I'm on my side. We just

don't want independent contractors. And if the answer not to become an independent contractor is proposal 22, then let's Well yes, that's what we are saying. But we don't want any of those. I mean, we just don't think that that being an employee is the right answer. Because here's the other side, because we don't want to Well, here's the other side. Dave and I know I'm speaking a lot today on YouTube, basically, what's gonna what's gonna stop them from just firing you. Right? or giving you less work, or and all that. I mean, we can't get you have all then you have no control. The

problem is you shouldn't have said the firing, because he's going to jump all over you on that because drivers get deactivated all the time for no recourse. That's where I feel like, and maybe that's not a union, but some sort of coalition would you know, because you get the activated, you're like, there's no recourse. You know what I mean? At least if you're a W two employee, you get fired? Yeah, you're an at will employee but if it's a wrongful fire, you can sue them and say, Hey, this wasn't correct, right? First of all, check out Dave, the Uber slave his YouTube page, it's really good. He's got a lot of good videos, even though we don't agree, he's still he puts out a good product. Yeah. I've talked to him before, so just throwing that out there. But um, I guess, you know, he says, how what killed gigs. I just think when you get the government involved, and all this extra rigmarole it just eff things up.

What, and I think the biggest thing for us, at least with gig work is the flexibility. And you're saying how is it going to change the flexibility? I think it will mean, all of a sudden, if they're your boss, they're gonna determine when you're gonna work when

you're gonna drive. Yeah, you're like, oh, and your rating is a little bit lower than then driver, Joe. So guess what you don't get first. I mean, it happens with grubhub. Now, if you want to get the first shot at the schedule, you have to have a high rating, you have to have a high acceptance rate, like that's already starting to creep into the apps. If you do this. It's gonna be all the time. So I don't know. I don't know who this on Periscope. I think it's Joe on. I don't know, go 29 if prop 22 fails with Uber and Lyft hire only a certain amount, of course.

Yep. I mean, you won't be able to do both platforms. No,

yeah, that's another

good point. You and I there's, I mean, I'm almost

I don't know, could be that would be that would be part of the rules at once. So I think I think the really cool thing, we have an opportunity here, Dave. So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask here and you respond. come on the show. Let's do an interview. Let's talk about this. At our next one of the next future

shows the problem is is voting next week?

What the let's talk about the result afterwards. Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, I mean, it

is another thing. If proposition 20 passes, it would prevent local governments from passing laws that require companies to provide additional benefits protection for gig workers not including proposition 22. That's because of the seventh seventh eighth provision. single sentence on page 18 of the initiative requires a seven eight vote of both the State Assembly and Senate in order to amend proposition 22 in any way. This particular requirement is unprecedented. Some propositions have required two thirds or three fifths, but never seven, eight.

Wow. Wow, that's crazy. Sam, Sam brought up a good point to your ability to turn down rides will be gone. Now. These are all speculation. Because if you turn down rides and be like, Oh, we don't need you anymore. Right. By by

what and so Dave says we can't find too many because you have to have some drivers. Absolutely. But I mean, so we end the Michigan market right when Grand Rapids Michigan market and there's way too many drivers his it is I bet they could find a half two drivers and there's still be plenty of drivers to cover them. Well

even says in LA he it's hard to get trips anyway. Well, this is COVID world right now, too. So you know what I mean? You can't really judge the amount of rides you get via COVID. But yeah, I mean, that being said, I mean, we're looking at it just from a different perspective. You know, we We don't do it full time. I mean, when he did it full time, I'm sure he would still want to remain an independent contractor because

you just you look, I was working three days a week. Yeah, I mean, we talked about this a lot of times I would stay home. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and most of the day Thursday, I'd like go out for a little bit Thursday morning. But I would bust my butt. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yes, you couldn't do that. You can't do that. As you know, as a regular regular worker, right. It's the freedoms that you're allowed being independent contract.

Now one thing I would like, this is way off, not way off, but a little regulation of how many drivers they do not allow on line. So well, I don't want that as because I want to go when I want to do it. But they need to go by demand. Like I wish. I don't know. Right. I mean, maybe I'm flip flopping not flip flopping. I want my independence. But I mean, you talked about the saturation of the market. So sometimes you can't even make money, which again, you go to go like, Hey, I'm gonna do something else. I'm gonna do food delivery. I'm gonna do I mean, new new apps keep opening up. If you join our Patreon, we've interviewed two companies yet that I think are going to be a game changer. They could they had

to certainly have the potential of being game changers,

and they're not rideshare companies. So if you join our Patreon, you get early access to it.

So Dave, contact us on team at gig economy good gig economy gig economy dash

Yeah, we couldn't buy that. Yeah, didn't want to give it up whatever

gig economy dad don't get economy das podcast calm, and then we'll set something up. And or maybe just send us a Facebook message. Or you could do that. And all the things you bring it up right here. We don't agree with that, either. Oh, yeah, they shouldn't be doing I'm playing the game that way. There's no way there's no I agree. 100%.

Yeah, it's it's it's a good discussion to have. I'm not saying we're we're for Uber doing all this stuff. Like I think some things to change. I don't think they pay us enough. But I also don't want to work for a boss. I don't need benefits. This This was set up to be I mean, and nothing against p I mean, I do this full time in the winter. So it's, it's with me too. It was set up to be kind of a gig kind of thing. It is it is a challenge to do a full time not so much anymore, because there's more different options, but just, you know, I don't I don't want somebody to say Oh, because I even thought like, just for an example. And gigs gonna be a little light this year. Maybe I'll get a pizza delivery job. I'm like, No, I don't want to work on a schedule. Like I'm doing snowplowing this year. I'm like, how am I gonna do that? If I got to go out and plow and I got to go deliver pizza. I was like, yeah, screw this. I'm not going to get a pizza. No, that mean, so?

Yes, RM says, you need exactly the number of drivers for the amount of riders. Even if riders wait a little longer. They will insist that drivers are back to back non stop.

I still remember when we just started when we this is when I started for you know, I guess three, four years ago. We went back to back all the time. And that's when it was what it was fun. It wasn't so much about the making money at the time. It was just it's being fun with your back to back. Good. I don't want to sit still.

No, no. I mean, now today was obviously today. See, this is a good example for new drivers. Let me just throw this out here about how you have to have a little bit of a

sorry, I'm sorry. He's plowing and learn on line. Oh my god, I can't know.

Somebody I know who's our who's our Patreon from Georgia. I feel bad. I forget his name. He pops on anybody who's like oh, I hear you're driving a Zamboni now. The joke you know what I mean? What is his name? I feel so bad. It's not like we have that many of them or anything. What was I gonna say?

I had a good point. But you new drivers.

Oh, for example. It's still a skill today. It's been raining for the last two days. Great time to deliver right. today. I was like, I'm gonna go out. I'm home for my other job. I'm almost wrapped up. It's beautiful sunshine. It's the middle of day on Wednesday. And I'm in Granville, which is a suburb of Grand Rapids. How many deliveries Do you think I got? Or that were worthwhile? Yeah, I got to one I went to the restaurant and it had already been picked up. And the other one I got one more and the rest of it. I never got a ping. You got to still do the work to find the money. So you can still do it. But anyways, that's my little, little tangent, but yesterday is going to talk about people farting. And I can't wait for that because It already smells in here.

It was it was Pete Hey.

We still use that or is that trademarked?

Okay, so the article is from the New York Post, which is I don't quite know the the whole thing about this website. Certainly not. It's very just kind of If he funny

no no the New York Post is not the website is just full ads. It's stupid you better mute it cuz it's probably okay

so man is charged with assault after fighting in Uber and this whole thing is just drange. And so you came in was has been charged with assault after allegedly fighting in an Uber and attacking the driver for protesting. He behaved in an unattractive manner that night defense lawyer Anthony bignault told the Bristol Crown Court about his clients behavior. The difference

is that is that is that a farting term?

difference incident reportedly occurred last year when Kingswood James mallet 35 Let It Rip in the back of the ride ride on the way to a local nightclub with a few people. This was the final straw for the Uber driver named Alexander bond Jeff, who had allegedly suffered abuse at the hands of other passengers, according to court testimony. So basically, he had a bad day. And then this guy fights in the back of the car and just it's just been enough. Yeah, exactly. So Alexander just had enough and they stopped fighting.

I was waiting for a break. And

so basically James got said vonshef told malad to leave the vehicle were upon the Fletcher and fair offered to fight the driver and struck him in the hat bunch of reportedly responded in defense by punching the mallet in the face, not going into the ground. So they got it. They got in a fight for that. The biggest I mean, so it goes on and on and on. The biggest problem i think is it's kind of it ends on a on a on a kind of a bad note to deal has proven worse for bond chaff. So basically, the guy who fights gets a fix on a $50 fine 120 hours community service. And the guy the guy who was the driver, Bond czev ended up losing his job his vehicle in his house and has since returned to his home country of Bulgaria. I mean, obviously it was a little bit worse for him. He shouldn't have reacted the way he did. Yeah, it's it's it's bad that that the drive of fights in the in the vehicle, but that is what it is. We all deal with stupid stuff all the time. I mean, I've had many people puke in my car and you just deal with it. You move on. Yeah, but he had a bad day. And that's what happened. And it's just, you know, I think

there's more I there's probably more to the story.

I mean, you'll get half the I'm sure there's much more to the story.

Yeah, I'm sure there is. But

yeah, so I guess the the end of the story is don't fart. fart in your Yeah, just,

um, you know, if you're gonna do it just crop dust as you get out. Like,

I know, I had somebody do that. Oh,

gosh, I had it several times. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, or what happens is they fart and they're sick. Look.

No one's gonna want to sponsor the show. We're talking about farting.

Yeah, yeah, x is three.

Yeah. Earlier he was you know doing this up and down for I need to swap his out because his for whatever reason is loose right there. Anyways. What was he talking burning? farting? Yeah. Talking about no one would sponsor this show. Oh, no, they go while they're sitting down. I do it at my own house and you get up you're like, Oh, God. Oh, God. My wife's like, what did you do? I'm like, that was like 20 minutes ago. I don't know.

Oh, man, what's your boys?

All right. All right. So this next one from one of the Facebook groups is passenger. Why do you guys always do that? Me? What's that? packs? Run red lights? You guys always do that? Me I ran a red light when packs just now see you didn't even notice. Me You mean left on red. You can do that when it's one way streets. packs No you can't. me Yes you can. I'm positive pack Seriously? Me Yep. 100% packs. Oh shit. Me. Yeah. packs I've been reporting over Uber drivers for running red lights. What do I do me? data packs maybe call Uber and try to retract it could be deactivated for that tax. What does that mean? Me fired it means fired. packs. Oh shit. I mean, yeah.

Yeah, I mean seriously, they could be deactivated or that I mean if you get a safety violation of like running red lights like I mean, the first one you're probably okay but for chance you got another one then you for sure out? Yeah. So yeah,

America is weird, though. We are. It's just my family when they were first over here. I'm from Denmark when they came up with the first time and I would always do you know as we do all the time, we took turn turn right on a rat. And he's like, what are you doing? Here? Why no, but you can't in Europe. Oh, you

guys got shit to do, man, we ain't got time to be like

doing the red light

you ain't going nowhere and paying 80% taxes so I go to university for free. I mean, come on universal health care. We got shit to do.

You guys driving the left hand side of the road to No, not Denmark drive on the wrong side of the car.

Nope. That's in Britain. Well, what's weird about Michigan today, for people that are listening or watching in Michigan, you can turn out if you're gonna turn left and it's a blinking red light. That means Hey, you need to stop. But when it's clear, you can go but no one does. They if it's clear, or rush right through, like no one stops. So that's a little freaky for people that aren't used to that kind of stuff to the you know, if you're got somebody from out of town, you're in your Uber and they're like, what the hell

or Michigan left?

Michigan laughs So those are fun two days that he has a video where passenger farts in the car and they couldn't stop laughing. They're pretty high to that. farting and high or bad combination that is like, you know, you know that that's just gonna go crazy. Okay, this got to give a shout out to Gabe for this one. He shared it. It's a picture of like, drop off instructions. I don't know what app that is. I've never seen that one. But it says drop off instructions. My aunt is tripping on acid. And she needs food leave on the porch because she doesn't want to put clothes on knock though. So she knows it's there. Thanks, Mike. Can't make this shit up. I mean, now you guys are the what the Photoshop snobs is this photoshopped or not? Doesn't look like it doesn't look like me either. But I bet

bullies it's very much lined out correctly. If it is. I mean,

I don't know. I don't know if it is either, though. Yeah, I don't know. It says Uber ride on there

were no no, that's overlay for Android. Were iPhone, guys. We don't get that sweet little overlay. Yeah. So they basically that Uber will be on it. It'll Why does it do that? So you can access it quickly. Is that basically it's going to Yeah, yeah. Instead of like searching for it. So

that is pretty nice. Santa says Can we turn left onto one way is in Michigan on red?


Yeah. About

on red, though.

Yes. Yeah. On a one way.

On one way. We just talked about it. In the frickin

No. One way have to relearn. Oh, wasn't blinking at one we have to go left.

Right. Yes. She wasn't thinking. No, no, it's just the article doesn't say it was blinking. Yeah, we just talked about it'll

specified if you can't,

yeah. No, I turned left on red all the time. I mean, we don't have a ton of one way is and I mean, Selman gr but not enough that I feel like I've turned a lot. Maybe. Yeah,

I guess I have to. Yeah. I mean, I've had to, again, like we don't have guard. He got time to wait, we got time for that. We got time for that.

All right. Where are we at here? I'm on that page. A Yes. for Uber

driver. Again. He got

all the articles at night. Sorry about that.

This is a follow up to the other one.

I didn't want to make Pete do a ton of Article since his last night.

So this is so nice. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, this talks a lot about the things that Dave actually was just talking about, which is the other side of proposal. 22. Yeah. One of which is, which is to coercion, basically. So the article talking about how Uber is, I guess misusing or kind of using their platform to to have people come in and kind of vote yes. For the for the

I mean, do you blame them though? I don't I mean, their platform, they can do whatever the hell they want.

Well, yeah, they can, but they shouldn't. They shouldn't. I mean, it's why.

So what is your What is your problem with it? Does it make sense? Because it I mean,

well, as one of the I agree with what he was saying is so they're giving away free food at at the at the greenlight hubs, what because they're using those for for voting mode in places so so they're basically coercing drivers to come in. And while you're there eating their free food, your mind is a vote.

Oh, is that? Okay? I didn't really so

that's what they're doing. And and then they are doing then they're putting apps all over on on the platform. And there's some confusion and there's some disbelief as to whether or not if you if you are clicking out of the apps too much if you're not getting rides that kind of stuff, because it's connected.

Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't mind them showing me a message in app but it would be weird if like you came into the green, the green light hub, and they'd be like, oh, by the way, why are you here? Why don't you vote for this like,

free lunch come good Freelancer the green light hot button. your minds will vote right. Yeah, I don't agree with that. That's not but that's the only that's the reason why this should be no money in politics, period. But

it Yes. Berg, President

I got my vote 24 I can't be president. I'm not born on American soil.

The podcast won't be the same.

I don't want Trump to come and get me.


I am not elite I'm legal. All right, Pete the alien

podcast won't be the same without Pete's pink shirt.

Well, Mark can come wear it instead.

Alright, so this next one is, Uber is being sued for using biased rider ratings to fire drivers. So Uber is aware. This is what this guy is saying. Uber is aware that passengers are prone to discriminate in their evaluation of drivers but Uber has continued to use this system that's making it liable for intentional race discrimination former driver Thomas Lau said in his complaint,

I was wonder how you gonna pronounce it I will read a log with you.

Over prompts customers to rate drivers on a scale of one to five stars, and then deactivates workers who average rating it deems unsatisfied. unsatisfied, according to the lawsuit. law says that while driving for Uber in San Diego, he experienced such signs of bias such as customers canceling when installs photograph, or asking an unfriendly matter where he was from. He claims were terminated in October 2015. Because his average customer rating fell below its minimum of 4.6. The 4.6 cut off automatically deactivated anyone who look different dress different talk different or act a different Lau said in an interview.

Yeah, I mean, it's tough. I mean, there's always going to be that discrimination. Unfortunately, that's I can't I can't

speak on being discriminated against. But I can speak on that. I 100% don't agree with Ubers rating system.

Yeah. Well, how how do they change it? What can they do better?

Well, I think for one, if they're going to allow riders to score below a three i think is is a fair, no. Yeah. There has to be unintentional. And relaible reason. Yeah, you just can't do a you can't just get stars and or one star. Yeah. You know, hit a button that says my driver, what's

gonna stop them from lying, which they do? I mean, how do you how do you vet that?

I think I think lift system isn't all that bad. It's the same thing. But if they don't vote for you, if they don't rate you at all, yeah, it's an automatic five.

Well, I can't. Okay. Well, I kind of feel that and I know, Uber has, what, how many drivers? Millions, maybe I mean, one movie, kind of wish that they would be like, Okay, this guy's been great. Like, up till now. So okay, let's, let's address it. Let's talk to him about it. But let's okay. Like, if I don't know,

the problem is they have one of one of the problems is they have a system where you get voted on, but you can't. You can't find it.

Yeah, and you don't know what it was like, you could be like, okay, like Sam says, I have dashcam I you tell me what time which rider It was, like, I mean, I know they don't they think maybe the driver will have some retribution because they know where the person lives or whatever like that. But I actually had a lady tell me that,

what's that? She was afraid to rate her other drivers badly. Because she was afraid that they would come back.

I mean, so it's, it's funny you bring that up because I watched started watching the Uber videos that you get five bucks. I don't know if you've you guys have watched him. There are there's like five or six videos. It's like 25 minutes of training about sexual harassment whenever they but they actually I actually did learn some they bring up a good point it could make someone be uncomfortable. You say, Oh, you hadn't home. Like even though like I pick somebody up from the airport that might make them feel uncomfortable. I didn't even realize because you're just like making conversation and they may not want to know where that you know where their home is. So those videos I actually did learn something which shocking Usually, it's just bullshit.

Some people. I've had people before who have had been dropped him off a couple of houses away because they don't want to

we had that one time out 3200 to one and maybe they were doing a different house and I didn't know and as I drove away, they walked down. Yeah, but I've only had one person say I'm gonna drop me off about three doors down and then I'm just gonna walk to the house.

I had Yeah, I had one day was three girls, they will all know probably early 20s. And and they had been dropped them out the outside of the trailer park. That was it.

Yeah. I don't think it happens very often. But she said Sam says I've had at once obviously don't know what that means. I feel like that's a joke that we know or a story that we know but where she's had to drop somebody off, not at their house. Yeah, I've had it once. Obviously. That doesn't do anything for us. So let's move on here. But I'm a woman.

Are you a woman? woman?

Shit, where am I am totally out of my lucid

ad spot.

Oh, it is all right. Speaking of ad spots, I don't know why lewbert calm and I just saw on the stream that they now have put it up mirchi services is live on their website right now. You can sign up to be a tech. And you can only if you want, you can only do the jumpstarts, which I'm excited about. I'm sorry, Joe. Well, I'm not an oil change guy. I think it's still a great service. But I'm gonna, probably this weekend, buy a really awesome jump box. and sign up for that. Don't you just use cables? So in situations where you can't, well, I will have cables too. But you do run the risk of damaging your electrical system. I mean,

is that real, though? Oh, yeah. You know, we might we should talk about after the spy. Yeah, let's

talk about after that. So if you go to oil you can sign up for on demand oil changes as a service get done at your house. Or you can sign up to be a tech you can change oil for people. You go to their house, you change the oil you get paid. So go to oil, oil to sign up for either getting the service or attack and the sign up to jumpstart cars. So that's awesome. I'm glad that they sweet. super sweet. I cannot wait to do that. I will probably sign up after the podcast and

after Yeah, I'm not I'm not an oil change person. I can sign up to do jumpstarts to find out about

Yes, that's super easy. And so Oh, back to the jumper kit

a real thing.

Someone that's watching the show right now please fact check it Mark Come on. Like let's figure it out.

Like I feel like I always hear about you know, oh, you could damage your battery if you move in a little bit. But that's I mean, I guess I don't hear that

I don't hear the the battery I hear that your electrical system where if you get a surge from the other car because what if there's a screwed up or whatever and all of a sudden, I mean, I've jumped start probably 30 to 50 times now I'm a little different because I have equipment that sometimes dies and I have to jump started so I've done it more and I've never had an issue. Yeah, so but I will bring cables just in case because those boxes sometimes. I mean, you

got to charge them regularly. Me Jamie Lynn says I was told not to give a jump with my car when I bought it. Yeah.

Again. I mean, I think there is there is a chance that you could screw it up now. Again, if you did two jumpstarts a day for six months you maybe you never nothing would happen. I mean I think there's a risk with all that. But I mean I guess it's a risk of hitting a gigantic pothole

that's rude. Last night you're here on the rag

out of here

got you out of the camera right now.

Pretty sure mark that if the cables Connect incorrectly there's a chance that the cables might burn and smell really really really really really really bad. Really bad really bad. Well, I may know that from personal experience. I mean

Jamie Jamie said hybrid if that matters so that might be a different I mean

I guess I can see that

all electric and there's 15,000 volts on all electric but there's $15,000 worth of batteries in there so maybe you don't want to jump start but if anyone can fact check that

thanks everyone under Jamie Lynn's

a hybrid if that matters I don't know the next

comment what's the next comment say shut

desert dick. Anyways, I'm gonna sign up for it I'm gonna get a nice jump box Sam shut up

definitely definitely gonna jump box

Yeah, and don't get So did you and I talked about those little square ones that you can get that was it you

I have it's just about the size the same size as a phone

extra extra foam batter right so my boss bought one from Yeah, he bought one from Costco thinking that this thing is gonna do great. The truck battery was dead. You put it on there it didn't do

shit. Not fun drunk battery. I had one just like that and it could it could just about starting escort starter

Yeah, I told my boss I'm like this isn't a one time it's

an f3 jumpstart a Honda Fit with that maybe.

So I told him he needed to buy the nicer one so I'm gonna buy a nice one. Yeah, so anyways,

and then maybe I mean you probably not getting China getting paid for it. But what if you also get a compressor? That might be nice. Good. Maybe one that has both.

Well, yeah, then it helps you. I mean,

Well, yeah, but when you're there anyways, you can check there, check the air and

come on man. Then we talked about this last about doing all the extra stuff.

Yeah. Well,

how are you? Good? How are you? Good?

Good. I know we were just picking on Jason but come on now.

Yeah, we only picking on Jason tonight. Come on my bed.

Oh, you guys had a pre meeting.

We should pre mean about him. We should pants him as he's walking. I'll tell him the livestreams over just make sure it's only as back end we don't want to show gonna tell you. Alright, moving on. Yes for this is the rest of these are kind of pictures. Yeah.

Hang on. Hang on.

No. So ever prepared.

I am I was Hank. I was talking.

Yeah, you get all excited. Pete I don't have to tell Pete. Hey, Pete. He just rolls he just he here's the pause. I know I'm stuck with your

just deal with me. Sweet Jesus. Someone helped me.

Whatever happened to God's gift to ride share?

That's what it is. Right.

Right there right to trip.

So I can't I can read what it says.

And then the comment says it's in Biden's laptop.

So but

yeah, the way you give it to me, because I get it might not. It's not It's not. It's not Joe Biden. It's in Hunter's laptop. Oh, yeah. But anyways, but yeah, I'm pretty sure that trip is done. No.

Larry posted some in the chat. They're like doing deliveries now. So I got in a huge fight with somebody on Facebook. Recently calling another company that we had an interview zoom. That's that's live. You heard the interview for that. If you listen to the podcast, boom, right zoom ride. Thank you. Good God. Like it's just another trip. I'm like, No, it's not it's not a subscription base. But for those of you out there that see those companies that are subscription base, please don't. Please don't do it. Don't do it. You should not have to pay to be on a platform. No, they pay you that's how it works.

Now there is certain models of Uber where you can pay a little bit to get more back. Yeah, some markets. Yeah.

I guess.


Yeah, what were you guys laughing I feel like I missed something. Oh, Mark said why? why not bring them a dozen doughnuts for free to who?

Mark said that about the I was you? You're the people. You're starting to batteries. Oh

yeah. Oh, what are we gonna do like ship shoppers? We're gonna put gift cards and hula hoops in the damn thing. If you missed that show, that was last time that was last time frickin Yes. Or wanted to basically rub their back.

All right.

Oh, I didn't see. Pretty much. Oh.


Got it. All right.

This mountain Mike's location uses doordash for its its delivery services. They

pocket all the tips the customers leave for delivery and tell the drivers the customers didn't tip. I know for a fact. I have first hand witnessed the customers app versus the restaurant tips. It's always zero. It's a shame they are thieves. Okay, before you read the comments, explain what is going on there. How would the restaurant see the tips if it came through the app or? I'm confused. It says they use it for delivery they pocket all the tips that the customers leave for delivery. And tell the drivers the customers didn't tip. I'm sure maybe they have one delivery account. And then they paid the drivers that way maybe Yeah, I'm kind of confused because the app is between you and doordash it's now doing you doordash in the restaurant.

The restaurant signed up for one delivery account through them and is using that to pay their drivers with me.

Maybe maybe they're not actually a door maybe they're not doordash drivers their work

for it worked for the restaurant. They're

sealing the tip so you can continue on I was just confused by that

does the drivers This is from I lost my place. Sorry. No, you're good. says Hi. Thank you for your feedback. doordash charges $9 per delivery of any order we have to make ends meet. Due to pandemic we are short staffed and having difficulties hiring new staff. Thank you for your understanding as we move through these uncertain times. And somebody commented the drivers have to make ends meet as well when they get $180 worth of food to deliver in a customer asked they received the $6 tip or an $85 order in a 20 hour tip then doordash pays his drivers $3 to deliver foods you contracted out to them to deliver

See I read the rest of the comments earlier. It doesn't make sense our theory doesn't make sense because it's like I can't comment on doordash policy the driver can work for us and get paid hourly plus tip so is this even is this I don't even understand this. Sam says maybe the restaurant is the customer and call drivers that way. Maybe. I mean while I when I initially scanned I'm like this is bullshit but now I'm reading it I'm like I don't even know how they're doing it. Maybe we should skip this article. Yeah. Oh shit. I got an article next. I didn't even read it. Damnit

talking about me not being prepared right? Again, you almost said the F word again. I didn't I said what the

anyways it's not it's kind of older news but lift deal with with it what am I doing? What is this article about? Oh, okay, so Uber rival Lyft is announced it will be partnering with grubhub This is such an older article that Yeah, so providing its lift pink subscription members access to grubhub free food delivery another person. Well, that's kind of cool. I you know, it this one article I saw and then I really haven't seen anything else about it. But the food delivery service has exploded during the Coronavirus with onsite restrictions in many places. After Ubers failed bid for grubhub agreed to buy Postmates for Uber bought Postmates. What kind of podcast is this? Had? I'm overwhelmed, I'm hot. I'm embarrassed that I didn't read this article. It happens like at least once a show one of us does it. So anyways, apparently lift We are experts

don't do it. We're experts.

There'll be partnering with grub hub. They're not buying them. So I think it's a good idea. They should all be integrated anyways, I mean, Lyft what's Lyft gonna do? I mean, there are at the bottom of the barrel, they're only doing rideshare and some, some delivery stuff, at least Uber, it's got Uber Eats, and that that's exploding that saved their ass during this pandemic is, is that Uber Eats? So yeah, I don't know why Lyft is not doing more, maybe they don't have any money. So.

So Sam said, maybe the restaurant is the customer and call drivers that way. So basically what happens is, you call the restaurant to order. The restaurant places the order on doordash to get a driver to come pick it up. Oh, that makes sense.

But so then how does the restaurant keep the tip?


so how did they do that?

So that mark part makes sense. But how they're the customer? If they're the customer, then they would be the one tipping, right? So how are they keeping the tip because the customer that cause the original order? Is tipping, like my credit card or something? And then the restaurants using doordash to place an order.

Oh, so they're not giving the tip. So when Okay, so the which is

such a weird way, just sign up and use.

So doordash doordash? Is the drivers coming to pick it up without a tip right? No, they're not getting one. But they're still picking it up. But the customer called Okay, I get it. Thank God for Sam. Yeah, I was very confused on it. That is shady. And then they say it right on their Facebook page. Like oh, times are tough. We'll figure it out. We're all figuring it out too. That's douchey I hate that company. Not doordash but the other one that's mountain bikes. I don't think that we haven't I've never heard of them. I've never heard it either. But speaking of saving money, Guess who's back?

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I think she's actually exactly like an insurance broker. Not kind of

well I feel like she heard me say insurance broker what and she goes well that's not it and I didn't get an alternative like what else should I call that? Well,

I think they call independent agent so they don't they don't sell for one agent correct one comp company they would sell for multiple Yeah, so they're calling the right solution for you.

So I need to say independent agent instead of insurance broker you don't know but you really don't know. No. Okay, speaking of zoom,

so this one is a good one gonna be a picture and this is of

this is from Leo from Detroit. Yeah. And this is just basically what a screenshot what

he got it. So I'm trying to figure this out. So the seven minute total ride, right. He had he had to go 2.2 miles to pick up

distance a pickup 11.2 miles time to pick up two One minutes, so

we had to drive 21 minutes to get there. He didn't take this ride

right away. So he had to drive 21 minutes to get there to make $5. So, that being said, zoom actually pays you a premium when you do long pickups like that, right? Yeah, it's if you listen to the last podcast, it was a bonus episode. With zoom. She talked Carol talks about it, but I'm just curious. I just like all the information like they're telling you everything up front.

When and honestly, this isn't any different than getting a call downtown to fucking Allendale. I mean, sorry, but all the time, you would have to do it.

Hello. We had three almost and he just dropped it. Yeah, but you wouldn't. But see, the thing is, you wouldn't take that one. Because you see how short the

ride is? No, I know. But as you're saying, at least they're giving you the long pickup fee. And

yeah, and I don't know what that is. And it's different from Ubers. Carol. You know, it was a 30 minute interview. I'd really like Karolina to be on the show. Like I want her to come in and sit down like in studio and talk a little bit more in depth about it.

what time of the day was this?

That is a good question. Because honestly, oh, it was 2100. So that's 950 at night.

Yep. Oh, okay, just kidding. Why won't you say I saved cuz that's during the day during the slow time? I mean, you get for those rides?

I mean, you get five bucks. The estimating bucks. I mean, it's been plus your you would get paid to get to go. But I wish it would tell you like you're getting an extra $4 for this trip, because it's more than Ubers it's not. Yours is pennies.

But But eventually, eventually, you'll know how much you're gonna get to pick up. Yeah, just like getting to know one.

Right? So I just thought it was.

I mean, if I okay, at nine o'clock at night, it's not really all that great. No, during the day, like

right in there, they're at a soft launch right now. Like they're not even officially launched. So this is all new. I know. There's a lot of drivers out there that are excited about it. When we interviewed and we saw the map, and there was a lot of cars on there, and he's not getting a ton of requests, but

I'm telling you what guys, Jason is being giggly about this. I know the interview like giggling

I'm like everyone thinks I have to say just a preface they don't we don't they don't sponsor us. Like they're not as I'm just excited of how I'm passionate about all the features they have that I want.

Right well and and more than anything, it's it's it's a contender in the market. Yes, it's a third player, and it could have the potential changing the rules

is entered the game.


And you do make more but when they talked about it in their interview, it wasn't an exorbitant amount, which I'm okay with. Drivers just want a little bit more money. And they want some features that are a little bit better. They're not asking to get all the money from Uber. I mean, I'm sure some dumb asses are like the ones that are gonna vote no on Prop 22 you're gonna you knew that was Calvin. Okay, speaking of dumb asses, so I'm gonna try to explain this. So I found this on Reddit. This guy, but basically he's trying to start a new rideshare and it's it's weird, right? It's this on this lab fun. You have to vote to get it funded or something like that. But they use cryptocurrency. They're gonna background check the riders like safety rideshare drivers should not be placed in unsafe working environment. What is again, prop 22 we only require drivers to be background check if dev is able to that's what's called DB is able to save riders money in your riding cost is a $30 yearly background check provided by the writer too much to ask. Okay, that's fucking Whoo, damn it. That's not gonna happen. They're aiming for a 10% commission rate. I don't know. It just seems and then cryptocurrency like someone commented, like, how no one even knows how to use that and I he's gonna back it by crypto. So it'll look like a credit card when you pay for but it's actually crypto is

so like, unreliable. Oh, yeah. I know some guys who were almost millionaires and then dead broke the next day, and then almost millionaires and then dead broke. Yeah. They're like, it's so bad.

Yeah, it's just

maybe someday it'll be great.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think the whole idea behind cryptocurrency is just

Yeah, no, it says we aim to improve safety on our platform by requiring drivers to be one year vetted. rideshare drivers have respectable ratings.

So Bala tile.

Yeah, I mean, the kryptos. To me, that's the biggest problem. I don't want a company that's dealing in crypto because I've guarantee the next day they're like, Oh, yeah, we're shut down. We just lost $2 billion, right. Like it just seems weird, but yeah, this is an app you want to stay away from. I mean, I don't even think it's an app. They're just trying to get it funded. It's this weird like, like I said, lab fun. I don't know. Stupid. Don't do it.


no dumb.

Shit. We never did a tip time. Son of a bitch. Anyways, yes, for Europe next. This is kind of odd. But, sorry, what

are you jumping on? I'm like a

kid in a candy store, right?

Everybody, if you lock your keys in the car while it's running, and it's a newer car, mine is in 2015 you can press the keyhole or little square by the door handle and pull the door handle at the same time. And it'll open. I spent $75 to find this out. It's worth it to try now with the windows just in case it ever happens.

Okay, you This is stupid cuz everyone would break in everyone. I think it was unlocked the whole time. And she just got it. She was like, Oh, sweet. Jesus

was open gonna be the same on every make and model.

Well, I mean, who would even do a car like that? I mean, with the internet out. You can just Google that and be like, Oh, I can break into all these cars. I think the key is while the car says if you lock your keys in the car while it's running. Oh, did I miss

that I was running.

Oh, maybe. Oh, shut up mark.

I could do but I still don't think it's the same idea. It's like that for every make and model. Why would it be that way?

I don't know. It just seems okay. So while it's running while it's running, though, no, it doesn't how many carjackings happen you go to frickin you lock your your lock? I guess you're right. But I mean, if you knew that that happened and you walked up let's say you're like you're you steal cars. You know this make it Mater like Oh shit, they left the car running. It's locked. I know how to unlock it. Baby. I'm sure that it probably

trips. Those those tricks. Mark says the Father has NFC chip and will unlock it when it's well. What's cool is

my wife has that. So it's it's not even that. I mean, it's a nice, it's 2016 it's four years old. But it has it's loaded. It has that feature. She has the key in her purse. She just walks up and grabs the handle and it freakin unlocks. It's

right insane. We had his NFC

Yeah, it's great. We had a car when I was at the pizza shop. We had a car. Somebody came pick up pizza at that store. You park right in front right by the front counter. Yeah, it's probably is that the 44th and Byron center? No, no playing field store. Oh, did you say that? I was not reading. Okay. But just like the 44th Byron center store. It's right there by the front counter. But the lady left her vehicle running. Walk inside to pick up a pizza. Yeah, we ran out to cover your car.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm sure it happens. I mean, so Samantha says that she can't even lock her car if the keys isn't it? Yeah. See, that's the that makes more sense to me.

Yeah, that yeah. I can't lock Yeah, my car we even when it's off if the keys are in it. Every other door will lock except the driver door so you don't lock your keys in the car. I don't know how she was able to lock it with its running. I don't know where Anyway,

I'm gonna try that with the

shit. I gotta move on. Oops, sorry. Free plug. Sorry. You're gonna try that one with the Honda?

Oh, it might work. I don't know. 15. So

yeah, it might work. It's hot down here. I just turned the heat off. It's me.

So there's no tip talk. Keep going.

Yeah, I'm gonna keep going. We'll wrap this sucker up. How long have we been podcast and

on 10 minutes,

or 10 minutes? Pretty good.

Okay, who's up first? Oh, me. Yeah. Uh, oh. I forgot our Patreon ad. Dammit. We'll do that. The end. Do that. All right. When you find out it's an apartment delivery. And it's Kanye being Kanye.

with Kanye faces. It's got so

I actually don't mind it. Like why do these people Okay, do I want to carry six cases of water from Costco up three flights of stairs? No, I would be pissed at that. But if you're making a delivery for food, it's like okay, it's some stairs. You probably need the damn exercise. Anyways, I know I need it right? It's just kind of funny when they

are fussy. I don't need to exercise.

Yes, you do. I ever heard you walk in this morning my temple

chapel for food.

Hey, no. Hey, hello. Kadam I accepted it. $2 and 45 cents order. I was dying to Holwell there because there's a comment. And the comment the note from the customer goes leave a door. Do not knock dog will bark. I will yo shit well. Good real.

Yeah, I've seen that quite a bit

$2 and 45 cents.

That's what I do though. When I ordered delivery from somewhere. It's not to some lead on the step. Yeah. Don't ring the doorbell.

Well yeah, I totally get it for sleeping kids and if they have dogs in Kids are sleeping. You rang the doorbell guess what's going to happen?

Samson stfm Jesper. Yeah. What

she told you shut up? I didn't do anything. Yeah, I don't know what she's telling you to shut up for.

Alright, so next one. In order to protest the new Uber. Uber Eats 250 base pay. I'm going to decline every offer until my acceptance rate is zero percent. Then I would delete the app. Uber is garbage.

Oh, get over yourself. Like

well go to fucking California and sorry. Go to California and vote no. Oh, she was laughing at the temple thing.

Yeah. Everybody knows it's it's interesting.

Well, guys, this has been fun. It's hotter and shit in here. I got a I don't know. I think I need to open the windows when we podcast while you're gone. But I want that gigantic buggin don't see it around this time. Well, I have a frickin screen but yeah, I need to open the windows. I just turned the heat up. I heard it kick on again. I'm like, oh my god. I'm sweating. And I'm in a T shirt tonight. Buddy Pete wear shorts. I think about

my brother. He my brother picked me up to bring me out here. And he's like, you got shorts on? I'm like, Yeah, man. It's not as balls in

it. I think you know, it's just so closed up and you know, the door close. And it's not the big bodies. It is the big bodies and we're just running our mouths for Laughing Laughing Oh, yeah. And I should probably close that vent when we're podcasting. So. Um, john was over in YouTube the whole show not commenting. Thank you.

Hi, john. rude.

No, he was a little bit. Oh shit. Hold on. We got he was the everyday is like your field trip.

It's my anniversary today gonna say Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. happy

with your wife.

Hey, it's been like, a touchy subject that I podcasts on an anniversary. Now mind you. We have a weekend scheduled in two weeks. So anyways, Jamie says I'm having a hot flash. I didn't mean to

touch on that.

Yeah, that's a touchy subject. That's a that's for threads to talk about. But speaking of money, no, I had terrible transitions tonight. If you want to know about extra gigs, when we interview tonight, why don't we interviewed last Wednesday at one we're interviewing next week. Next Wednesday. We're going that we're killing it. We're killing it. Go to gig economy. No, go to I know I still can't get it. Go to go to search the gig economy podcasts, you can join the $10 tier and you get free merch. Just talk to emerge person today. So we're getting that signed up. And you also get one extra podcast a month. You get to this month because we've missed September. And then you get behind the scenes before the show starts or dark shit and all that stuff. So and happy birthday to our good friend john volet. I don't know if I said that. Right. He is probably the Oji of the telegram group. I mean, as far as like,

a fan almost said Who cares, but I'm not gonna

Oh, wow. Oh my gosh, he received that

job. That's something he would say.

That's something he would say

he goes, thanks. Yes. Let's

see Genesis. Have a great fortnight might miss your next cast as I'm away on holiday. Yep. Well, we appreciate Janet from New Zealand.

We don't play fortnight Yeah, what's up with that? Have

a great fortnight. What does that even mean though?

fortnight is like is a term? Yeah, but

is it is it for I want to say like a fortnight it's like 40 days. Hey, Siri,

what is the Forte? My fortnight it's

fortnight. I put it up the speaker do it again. Do it again.

Try it again. Put it up to the mic so people can hear it at least.

What is a fortnight in terms of


She's an answer from I fortnight is a unit of time equal to 14 days, two weeks.

Oh shit. Two weeks and she called us. Wow.

My brother says back to it. You know what, listen, hey,

we've talked that we're not geography people. We're not tying people.

By the way. You can go on holiday.

Two weeks. Hey, you know why she go on holiday? Because she's an independent contractor. So vote Yeah.

On that note,

good night. Have a good night.

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Hi, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. We are super excited to be back. Yes, we're ready to burn out of here with a Camaro.

I don't know. I just, it's the fastest car I could think of.

It's the Uber vehicle. The Uber vehicle. Yes. It's a comfort boy.

Yeah, I don't think a Camaro is comfort. That's by many means. So tonight we have Yes, burpee and Sam is filling his

bag not filling you not

really filling in, but just stop it in. You got to bump that mic close to your mouth girl.

Hey, oh.

Thanks, Mark. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's our little. When's the last time you watch a show?

It's been a while.

Thank you, Mark. This studio is sponsored by Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid. We'll talk about them a little sooner. But thank you very much for supporting us if you guys oh, by the way, no YouTube tonight I tried twice and it said live streaming isn't available. So it's just Facebook Twitch and Periscope or Twitter. But if you could like the post and share it whose phone isn't on vibrate

My phone is never turned on. So it's not me.

Is it me?

Oh, well, we'll hear it again. But anyways, if you can share your

Sam shared the post Thank you, Sam. And if you could share it and like it and all that fun stuff. I was gonna say if you could really subscribe to YouTube, which we really want you to but YouTube's broke tonight so just

let me know.

I just muted

my wires all the way down.

Do we need to start over? No, we're good.

Thanks a lot. It was definitely

good. Oh, that was up. So far. I've been good so far

I haven't screwed up. So anyways, um, yeah, so share everything. We're glad we're back. Keith. Keith wants to know how the roads are. And of course Janet's here too, which is our Patreon our newest Patreon member, and Keith his Patreon member, too. So I'm just real quick we want to we are still doing the picnic I mean, I know things are not quite cool down yet but we're going to be all socially distance and all that so that is August 15. from noon to four ish. So plan on that still looking for a sponsor for that. So Paul, still looking

for a sponsor? Yeah, unless of course we plan on to be more than 100 people in which case we can have the movie

I don't think that's gonna happen.

Unless of course, she's gonna shut down the state again who might know who the hell no now

Who the hell knows. So I'm just want to real go over.

It's falling apart. That was my boy.

Just want to go over cut. This star is just been a shit show.


I guess I should stay away.

No, you're fine. Do you need to bring this around a little bit more exciting. So in the description you'll see, I've been drinking the link

to the picnic and you can see a link to our telegram group which we absolutely love to have starting to get more active now as people are driving. So go to telegram, download it and then click the link you can join the group. And of course we'd love to get your reviews. There's a link in the description as well. Definitely review us on Apple podcasts. That would be great. So sorry since last podcast, I have nothing but I am going to start gig work this week, not weekend. If you're when you're hearing this. I've already worked the weekend but if you're watching it live, it's this weekend. Yeah, you'll be busy. I'm planning on it. I don't think I'm gonna be taking passengers.

Certain somebody talked me out of it. So I mean,

we're not gonna mention any names, but

I ran into AJ at Costco last week, and he's just doing eats and he is clearance and good money, right? Hey, yo. So secrets.

Okay, I know it's not a secret.

No worries. He just

pop it and it's in. This is crazy, because eats is never poppin

Well, we'll talk about this later, too. Right. But with the Uber Eats buying Postmates I mean, that's gonna only make that better.

Yeah, yeah, so hopefully, right. Oh, fully. Well here

though. Who knows?

Postmates sucks here. Yeah. All right, Sam, do you have any stories?

I mean, no,

no. Really. Stories. My days are pretty simple. I did. I mean, last week for the first time ever. I had a temporary vote. Okay, yeah. How does that work? I mean, we opened up the app thinking the end of the day and made 200 bucks. So it was 180. And somebody pulled the $20 tip off the order, and I'd have no idea why. There have been times where I've genuinely made mistakes. And I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna lose my tip haven't even gone in and seen an extra $20 quite a few times. But um, yeah, no idea.

But don't think people do that just because they add the $20 to you got to get you to take him and then they took over Yeah, to me. Yeah, maybe

I don't in Grand Rapids. I don't think it's a huge issue. Oh, it is. I think so. Yeah. cuz I've got over $100 order. They give me a $90 tip and they left it.

Damn, yeah, that's crazy. I'm gonna

sharpen our biggest order was just over 100 bucks. And

I mean, I remember we talked to Kristin miles. She said she'd heard about it. He was from

shipped shipped. Thank you. She's like a local Delete isn't delete. Dang. Yeah,

I mean, I haven't really had a huge issue with him and tips have they fluctuate and instacart shifts and whether or not you get everything and even like the weights of things, like they want four pounds of steak needed them 4.1 pounds you're gonna get paid just a little bit more. But um, yeah, it's the only time I've ever had tip just pulled for any reason. Well, that's just sucks. Yeah, it did. Hope you wanted them. Oh, that's not an option. Oh, no, I wish I really would. I wish I could pick customers to never return to their homes again. It shouldn't be an option. One Two says he can't

hear us.

Well, one has some she is quiet. Sam needs to get up on the mic. But Wanda also has trouble hearing it every time. He comments on the

back in a Sam's phone. It's always Sam's fault. It's not.

Anyways, so. Yeah. Oh, here's the picnic. I always forget the little icon. So yep. Saturday at noon. Saturday, August 15, noon to four. Do

you ever go back home? Well, the logo, did you ever go back and get the beer license for that? You know we have it. No,

no, you probably still could. We probably could. I don't know how much it is but

I think it was $50. But still,

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Real quick before we move on, Nate, we found out how to mute you this time. So you're the only one who can hear us.

If you go to Irvine comm, you can schedule everything online. Sam did that. And it said all the pictures of what's f stop and what needs to be repaired and what's leaking. So,

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what's great about it is when you look at the repairs, you can be like, declined, like my brake fluid was all dirty decline, decline, decline, fix, fix, fix,

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Yeah, that kind of stuff this stuff, right? So, guys really support us by going to use them. So

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Alright, so we're going to jump right into the gig economy in the news and I am up first and you know, I'm not going to read this article. verbatim but as everyone's heard, post mates and Uber finally agree on a 2.65 billion things Sabrina billion all stock deal, which is nuts. My question is, why are they are they just trying to dominate because they're like, oh, grub hub, okay? They don't, we're not gonna come. They're just like going like, it's like they had a plan a business plan, like okay, we're gonna go to grub hub first. And then we're gonna go to Postmates. Right. And I just, you know, I just curious. I mean,

Oh, that makes sense for them to buy up the other platforms. Why not?

I mean, it does. But they're broke. Right?

broke. Oh, they're not they making so much money. You can they broke on paper. Everybody should be broke on paper.

Their revenue is fine. They just start turning a profit.

Yeah. But it just seems kind of weird. But

that's kind of the way those startup started a startup anymore. No,

no, but they've been around for like almost what 10 years now. Have you really? I bet? Yeah, not here. I mean, it's been at least five here. Yeah, right. So figure

out why it's more than fighting. I've driven for four. Yes, mates.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. I was I thought you're talking about you talk about post mates has been around for I think it 2011

and they're big in California.

Yeah, I was gonna say huge in California.

Everybody post mates everything in California.

May 1 2011 post mates.

Okay, so 2011 right. You got the date? What about Uber? You want to Google that just for shits and grins? I didn't know but this I knew it.

Did he said I

didn't. You met? I didn't go

March 2009.

Doing Yes. Smoke on the Google foo.

Yeah, Google food or computers a little bit faster. So yeah, I mean, Guess it's a good thing I'm looking forward to doing Uber Eats and just doing some gig work and

I wonder if Sam is does your computer have windows? Yeah. Yours is faster than

ours not please say

like I should know the answer to that question.

Better stickers on her computer y'all

I don't ever take them off ever I just gave them their

Samsung add on there

that's hilarious. Okay, I never

take them off. So we'll see how this I are the My question is and maybe I didn't read an article are they gonna run separately? Are they just gonna? I don't know. I

don't know why you would I don't know why it would either them all in one app yeah brand whatnot now Postmates is food and

anything deliver other stuff right any delivery if you want it you pick the store where you want it from me Tom what you want and then they go get it. But see that's the

that's the market who was entering with delivery? Yeah, anything though. Yeah, other markets are doing that. So it makes all

the Gotta they gotta ask her get off the pot because now that COVID happened and who knows if it's gonna research or what the game has changed for grocery delivery and all that other stuff so they need to be like game to change for rideshare as well.

Yeah changing.

Yeah, I saw somebody in the Grand Rapids group said Hey, does does anyone get pings at the airport? Because I just dropped people off and someone commented the airport staff is just telling me to take taxis because there's no drivers out there. Yeah, I believe a Sox like when it does go back to Yeah. to normal but

I saw roadie at the airport and I said otherwise was any dollars like how the hell when you have so few people fine Can you not get a bag to where it's supposed to go on time? I mean,

how hard is it it's the airlines so

so key is apparently read the article he said they're gonna run them separately for a while.

Yeah. Which makes doesn't have to for a while. Yeah. But I wonder if those

the group of guys out the airport are still sitting out there.

Those guys

the guy in the Tesla, the guy,

I think I saw him delivering food when I was doing lawns the other day. Like, I mean, maybe there was another test of delivering food, but I swear it was that Saturday to

in rapids. I mean,

yeah, I don't know.

I don't know that. Grand Rapids actually has a factory that makes Tesla parts. Okay,

it makes sense though. Grand Rapids a huge like mini manufacturing. Yeah, like not the big companies of all these little minor companies that make three screws for

another car every single car.

Yeah, exactly. Are the mirrors gentex Yeah, mirrors Right.

I mean, girl does some of the bodywork and feelings for

those. I bet those 50 plus bye.

Bye go. What do they call like bye shops and not body shops pawn shops who does parts?

Yeah, I'm gonna call that manufacturer something.

Yeah, plastic. Yeah,

probably that royal plastics out in Pottsville probably does a lot of parts. So yeah. Yeah. When you see the big automakers go down. It's affecting a lot of people. Oh, yeah. All right. Yes. Barry, you're up next. And I'm just curious what everyone's opinion about this

wonderful, wonderful SBA. Uber is set to agreed No, no, hang on, hang on. This is all

this is about

this guy said that he got approved for $6,600. Right. Mm hmm. For the but

sorry. So this is the this is the

SBA loan. This is

not the idea. It is the idea. This is Yeah, okay. Yes. So I mean, it's prettier.

First of all, he shouldn't have been approved for the idea right.

Now if you are a contractor. Yeah. So You can, okay, I guess

you can get approval as long as you do your credit

determines your approval amount, just like any other loan, I got approved for a lot. And then for this, but the amount of the grant you get as an independent contractor will only be $1,000. Right? big businesses can get a grant of 10 grand

and then get alone. Well, only if they have 10 employees, right. Yeah.

But yeah, yeah. So yeah, he totally can be qualified for 600. That's fine. The question is, can he spend it on business expenses only and document it? Right, and be appropriate with it, but I'm assuming he has 30 years to spend it then. Yeah, of course. Why would you pay it back for 30?

So that's why

he just cut I don't think he has to

know that's the terms. Most of them are 30 year terms. No, no, I know. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess my point was, why would you do

I mean, I think most people do. Don't read because I went through and I read like every single line and most people don't realize you have to run with that right? Because I was like, Oh, I got some credit card debt from when I wasn't working I'll just pay that off

right way better interest rate or pay your car payment off.

pay it off if you pay it for other stuff you because you have to supply receipts right but what if you don't it's fraud to pay it back. Money and penalties? Yeah. Oh, so they Okay, yeah,

that's what you've committed fraud. What about

the first thousand then? That seems to be no bubblegum, do that whatever you want with the first thousand they don't care. Do you snack cakes?

Anybody can prove they spent $1,000 on

exactly. So they don't care. But point three on that so

that if he so 5600 he gets, let's say, can you use that for payroll? No, no.

The EDL absolutely cannot be used for payroll.

So it's different from the PP PPP long

Yes, the PPP alone is just payroll and you paying yourself is payroll I cannot emphasize that enough to people so

that that's exactly a really contract worker cannot get the PPV

no they cannot you paying yourself as a business owner is not considered payroll.

Oh, legally. No, it's just what is it this?

Yeah, it's Yeah, it's a withdrawal you take out of the bank that's it. You don't get a tax break for it. You

don't get anything now. If you are an escort. I thought he said escort.

Your company is technically an S Corp. Then you are hired by the company and yes, and you're

the CEO. There's wiggle room around it. Yes. It's just difficult. Sam. No independent contractor you

might be like,

Oh, yeah.

But um, yeah, gently but like Uber driver, you can't get a checkbook from a business bank account and cut yourself a check for $1,000 a month. Call it payroll right doesn't work that way I guess going to get

I guess why I brought this up. I want to get all your opinions would you do this loan the way this guy has it set up? I mean No, no judgment to anyone that does it. I just don't think it's unless you're desperate for the money

if I knew that I was gonna have six or $7,000 of business expenses this year unexpectedly like I don't know my transmission going out on my Nissan. It could be worth it. Okay, um, because I could use it for that I still have chosen not to

what about replacing a car?

I don't think buying a new cars purchasing capital. It's not a business expense to

capital nurture here.

So I don't think so.

So is this guy is he so well now? This you still get his 1000

I could your you'll still get your thousand. Yeah. But if you were to take like 10 grand and then go buy a new car with it. It's possible it could hurt you because it's its capital. It's not a business expense.

Jamie Lynn Brooks And quite a few drivers are thinking they could pay off their cars as a business expense not sure how far they will get with that. Yeah, I mean you should probably clarify that before Yes After finally get it in writing from the person issuing your loan that yes, you can use it that way. I have a question with this SBA loan is this a new thing? Yes. Okay, so calling an attorney or someone or a tax person may not have the knowledge the

people issuing the loan should know the answers to these questions should they should they should

you're actually not allowed to hire a lawyer anything to help you with this right? I don't know. Cuz I remember when I was going through it you have to like put on there specifically if somebody helped you or you paid somebody to help you fill out the paperwork and then which case they don't allow it. What

seems weird

attorneys that are gonna review this before you

when I filled in the deal paperwork just till the day and there was a spot for me to put in a name somebody had helped me fill out. Yeah.

Hey, I'm sure they want to know who It was

maybe that's what it was. maybe I misunderstood. Yeah.

Did you wrong?

Yeah. Yeah. Like an audit. Yeah. You know, like my tax guy. When he signs the thing and the IRS comes, they come to him first,

right. And if he did something wrong, he will be on the hook for covering your issue. Well, it's

funny, I brought in some deductions on some sticky notes and just wrote it down. And he's like, he's like, Oh, you know, you don't need he goes, I don't really. Or he said, I don't really need those numbers because you're below a certain thing I took them back is like, Oh, no, I'm gonna keep them in your file. Because if the IRS comes back and says, This guy said this, he's gonna open the file and see my pink sticky notes in there. So it's kind of funny. He kept

everything I gave him if he had made a mistake. Maybe you were above that line, right? You're actively throw those in.

I mean, I even wrote the mileage and I was like, Oh, you can round it up. He's like, Oh, I'm writing Exactly. down and it was on the sticky note. It's like well, just in case they come back, I can be like, well, you wrote it.

But anyways, alright. Let's move on because we got a lot to get through.

All right, so the next one is what the what Since when do we ask for tips my food hasn't even left the building and he sent me this, what would you say? And the picture says hi, food orders on the way tips would be very much appreciated Blessings to you and thank you enjoy your mail.

Your mail or your mail, mail.


Hey, Dustin's on. Hey Dustin. Justin, Justin. Um, hey Dawson.

It's a bit early to be sending a text like that like if a thank you your food has been delivered. I guess you could do it. I still wouldn't. But not before the food has even arrived like in there by people

like in this might be just because I spent almost 20 years in a business where like it was severely frowned upon for asking for tips. Like the driver as a driver. He did not watch the right Corporate America you don't ask for likes. So to me if I would get this text message, you wouldn't tip. I don't know if I wouldn't tip but it would be like, two bucks.

three bucks, something,

I would still give them their tip, but I would certainly text back. It's inappropriate to send this text message.

Well, what if it would be at the time of drop off and he would change the words a little bit like Thanks for using Uber Eats, we would really appreciate a tip if you you know, basically the same thing. It doesn't change it. I just

like fishing for tips like

what he's not being instant. He's not being a D about that,

which is why I would still tip them. But I don't know that I would tip him as good as I normally do when I get

well, it's funny, I'm kind of fighting, you know, going against you a little bit but if I'm in a restaurant, and I give cash in the in the server says all set, right. Like that's implying, I know she's not being that way, but she just wants to know but like Why would you say that? Like, what if I had 100 in there, right?

You know what I mean? But she wouldn't say all said 100 I'll do the thing.

No, but she doesn't know what's in there. She grabs it from me. And she says, it's all set.

I don't I'm just more old school or like, I want you to offer change back. And then I'm going to be more apt to saying, Oh, just just keep it

there. Real quick, Dustin. Yeah, we're not streaming on YouTube. It would not stream for us tonight. Never had a happen before so I don't know. We tried twice. It's never

happened before like this. It's never

not working. So yeah, I guess I'm on the fence with it. I'm not offended by it. I mean, but I

mean, he wasn't rude by any means. You look

at it, though. You being on a drug as a driver seeing that, does that piss you off more? Or like are you looking at it from just like a customer perspective? I'm looking as like you're not a driver because I know how the hustlers out there. So I

is it customer. Okay, I'm not if he would say, I just think that he took the tips part out if you sent the rest of the message, I would be okay. And fine. And, you know, I'd probably be more apt to tip them better because he's communicating and letting me know. Yeah. But as soon as you start, you know, throwing that line out there to

Yeah, I mean, forgive me. He said she showed up. also added food is on the way and I'll be there as soon as I can. Please remember that tips are always appreciated. Right. So yeah, maybe change the verbiage a little bit. Yeah, like average little bit value to it doesn't sound as

please tip me. Right.

Yeah. I mean, again, if it was like right after the food was delivered, ended the order. Yes, your food has especially with no contact deliveries. Your food has arrived. It's outside your door. tips are appreciated. Have a good night. See, that's all I was asking. You

drop the fade off like the food's there. And I think I probably care less.

Yeah. So So the difference is in the word are as opposed to what? I mean. That's the whole thing. Right? So you're saying tips are appreciated as opposed to tips would be appreciated, because in this case, the word would, is a little more forceful. Exactly. Right. Yeah. So that is that the difference that make it doesn't mean make it right. I don't know.

Alex kind of changed the game with this comment. You can always rate my service in the app. Because then they're seeing the tip

a little sneakier to get Yeah,

I kind of like that even better. That's a little cleaner. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I knew this would get a lot of discussion because it's kind of I didn't know

it. It's the same thing. I would never I was always uncomfortable asking for the tip driving.

Yeah. You know what, I would never put a tip

tips out appreciate it. Well, yeah, because it's

personal. You're not doing it via text message just so

people know tips are appreciated. Well, it's not a secret. It's not news to anybody. But unless you're not right,

so when when Justin put up the signs in his car about the tipping and how it says tips are appreciated. He got more tips. Yeah, and he got more fire sorry

I swear when I used to put cash up in the visor. I swear I got more tips like early on no Uber days not so much no cash less and less.

Yeah they do can even get coins anymore.

No, No you can't. I'll be put court to all the corners on their carts.

Dustin said the tip box is awesome no matter what anyone says. I know a lot of people see it say it's trash.

I love it. And that's fine. You know, just

make sure Mountain View again.

Grabbing that money that thing went viral. I mean, there's like millions of views on that thing. But

I never did anyway when like eight bucks. It was good.

There wasn't much in there. Alright, let's jump into

Sam's article.

Yeah. So I mean we kind of covered this just a little bit the beginning

let's go for sorry Sam before we go on Sam is like doing instacart like a like a boss now right now so that's why kind of why we brought her in to kind of talk about instacart stuff not that there's a ton going on with it.

No, I mean it's pretty repetitive but still it's just it's been interesting shifting from like 90% Uber yeah percent random other things but never groceries because I hate groceries. I know

that's so you are you ordered shift yourself. I still do sometimes.

The store all day I register for 10 hours and I get home and I realize I need groceries. I am not going back to the store. I am ordering them on shift.

I gotta figure out how to sign up for my free shift account.

Yeah, it's only saving you 50 bucks you still pay out the ass of you know the increase of sat that much

Much Yeah.

Well, but um, okay, sorry, the article is about instacart changing their policy and when tips can be adjusted after placing an order. In the past, it's been a three day window that you have as a customer to change your tip for whatever reason, no reason even had to be given, which is infuriating. But now it is down to a 24 hour window. And they do have to leave feedback, even though last week when my tip was revoked. I didn't receive any feedback. So either it wasn't institutes Yes. Or they aren't passing it on to us

the same problem with Uber,

right? They don't

give us the feedback you're supposed to be able to if you like one star, your driver Yeah, all three stars. You're supposed to be able to put in the reason and then they're supposed to give that reason to the drivers so they know how to improve or what if some,

they do they didn't generalize it Don't say no.

Well, I mean, it's cart does have like if you actually check your How am I doing in your ratings, so People have left comments for you. Yeah, but that isn't a part of the comment they leave for why they're revoking a tip. But that's a whole separate feature. So that part doesn't get passed on. And I mean, the reason that they did this, though, is a tip baiting. It happens, people will put fat tips on an order, because they know it's the only way a drivers gonna pull it, especially if they're pretty far from the store. And then go afterwards, just go and pull it, which they've had every ability to do. And it's really frustrating. I mean, you know, I go into an order that, you know, it was like a $36 order. It was still a waste of my time because it was a triple a batch and ended up being a nightmare. But she got all her stuff. She had an entirely timeframe. I actually talked to her quite a bit in the store about couple of replacements and we had a long conversation. We're like, make friends. Oh, mad.

Yeah. When you go, Oh, yeah. Like

I'm actually talking to you. And she kept going on to me about her health conditions and why things had to be a certain way and said, Okay, that's cool. It's Fine, I'll get you whatever you want. But I'm into then like, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna make 35 bucks on this then I go, Oh, I made 15 bucks on this and it took me an hour and a half. Well

worth it instacart in this article does say it's only point 5% of orders have tips removed? Yes.

I don't feel that it's common some markets it might be worse.

I feel like I've seen a lot of people in Grand Rapids complain about it.

Well, we've probably heard a lot about the big ones that got that

right. And I'm sure right uncovered hit it may have been worse than normal. Yeah. And I Some people also probably don't know the difference between tips being polled and text being reduced. Because when you give a percentage tip like a 20% tip, and the bills 100 bucks, then you know, you get your 20 bucks, but if you only get $99 for those groceries, you're gonna lose some of your tip. That's and people don't realize that that 15 cents it was taken out. Wasn't someone pulling it back, right. Why are you not finding an item? Yeah, no. If you're still if you're missing, like 12 items off of a 30 item order it adds up. Yeah, sometimes you can lose 567 bucks on an order because the storage doesn't have it or any reasonable replacements.

Yeah, Alex brought up a point I was kind of gonna say is why can't they limit the reduction so it's like $20 you can only reduce it 50% right that was sometime I made the

same point that you shouldn't be able to take the whole 20

and now I bet sure I don't have the article or I don't have the picture I did save it but Mazal talk about it as shipped is going to upfront tipping now to which is great.

You think it's good? Well, yeah, cuz they waited three hours for my groceries that were never delivered.

Oh, you think they're doing that to get people out more people out in the street? To the limit? Yeah, I

think it'll just give customers the ability to say hey, I'm willing to pay you this much prioritize giving my groceries

Exactly. That's why my idea for Uber if you live out in the boonies, like if you if the passenger could offer a $10 bonus you drive from the airport For $10 on top of the rate, yeah, plus sure whatever tip there's

probably a lot of trips that I would take if I knew for sure what I was going to be getting extra.

Yeah, the exact same thing I used to say to people to the to the kids getting picked up early. Now, Dale, as you know, the moment somebody accepted a ride you text and says, Hey, I will give you 20 bucks in tip or whatever. Yeah.

Because then you won't get the Oh l&l thing. Yeah.

And now, they could screw you on that as a driver. But most people I would say probably over 90% follow through what they say most people, although they now tip you in the app, when they say that that's not gonna happen.

I got some nice, it's my own nail.

It's a much bigger deal to actually put the tip there and take it back then to just say, oh, I'll tip you in the app.

Yeah, I'm telling you, you take a tip back if everything was perfect, you're just some sort of badass or something. Cuz like, you have balls of steel because you probably wouldn't do that in person.

No. I mean, I've Reduce tips for bad service for bad service but never removed the entirety of a tip.

Yeah, but you also know the value of the tip, because you do it every day. Right? You know, it's the same reason we always said that the people would tip the best other people in the service industry. I mean, I, every time I drove a waitress or waiter or whatever, I would get a tip. It was usually cash, usually cash tip, you know, all that stuff. Because that's, they know the value of it, they will be

great. And that is, wouldn't be great. If everybody had to work like two years in the service industry as they were growing up. People do so much nicer.

Yeah, even if you didn't do service the rest of your life if you did something out, right,

the memories of somebody screaming in your face would forever put you in your

I feel like it's either military or food service.

Mandatory you either got to go to the military for two years, or you got to do food service for

two years. So Sam While we're talking about tip scamming, I noticed that the other thing that's been going on now is that they're setting their deliveries for locations that aren't. Yeah, I saw that if you hit any of those,

I've seen the zero mile ones pop up I've ever taken they've never been enough money for me about it. Like I won't take an order that's less than like 20 to $40 Sure. It's just not worth my time right usually like 13 $14 ones do that. But yeah, so what smooth talking about on the pages if you are outside the delivery zone for instacart which is a huge delivery zone like USB way out there. I've

taken some way out to like,

way out Rockford almost Greenville. Yeah, I heard and I'm there outside the area so they put the address that they're delivering to as the store so it shows up as a zero mile delivery. So you go you pick all this stuff up. And then I would have assumed they were gonna come pick it up. And that's what I was doing. I wasn't doing a full service. I assumed I was Just doing a shop and pick up. And though they're they're texting their shopper. This is my address. This is where you need to bring my groceries. Yeah.


for which point you're not getting paid for that mileage. Like, I would go over it. No, I wouldn't either. I would just cancel it.

Yeah. probably three or four times on the page here in Grand Rapids.

Yeah. And I see him and I'm like, I don't. The one person said they did get paid mileage, but it's not enough.

But here's the thing. The only way that customers gonna learn is if you just put the groceries back, because I know you don't want to because you want to get some pay. But yeah, I would be like no.

At that point, I think instacart will actually they will they try to do right to a certain extent right. I'm sure. Like when I had to return alcohol once which Fun fact you cannot do in Michigan, no state of Michigan and this whole legal to return alcohol.

So what did you do with it? So I drove I


back to fresh. Goodnight, fresh time to bring the wine back. Yeah, like you can't accept alcohol. can't return alcoholic. It's against the law. Weird I like called instacart. And I was on the phone with them for an hour and a half a I couldn't get the order to complete. And I kept telling the guy, please just override the complete the order has been delivered. Yeah, he's just override. Eventually he gave it to a supervisor because that was too difficult to request just mark the order is delivered. And then I was like, Okay, so now the alcohol issue. I'm at the store, ready to return it. They won't take it. And eventually they said, Okay, we'll just take home with you for now and we'll be in touch and they sent us one email. I was like, whatever and I cracked that wine open. I drank it

was very good.

What was the situation that you couldn't deliver the alcohol?

her driver's license expired, so what's everyone else's in the home? Oh, that's Yeah, weird. It's a How is everybody and

yeah, like at least someone in right will have a valid right because,

you know, I'm in the car insurance and home insurance business now. Like not selling it. Yeah. They actually have the column more towards the

moratorium yet the state of Michigan does. Yeah, but alcohol is a federal issue, not a state issue. So the government can't actually override that technically. And instacart policy, regardless of what Michigan says, Wow. So yeah, expired IDs. No, go. I cannot leave the alcohol. But I had two very nice bottles of

organic white wine. Oh, hopefully two bottles. Yeah, organic the way they have no agenda, all their license are expired, but they're ordering organic white wine. They

were very pushy. German people actually. Don't know why.

You're over that for now.

But yeah, very nice. Um, yeah, I'll go there groceries organic. So of course their wine was too bad. It was delicious. It was very good.

I just want to point out before you let me interrupt you, but now Yeah. If you don't say something on Twitch this episode, we're quite into it. But

I meant to get the point was that instacart does you right? Like they give you 15 bucks for the effort of returning the alcohol. And the lady actually gave me a 20 for making me have to go back to the store. Oh, so I got 35 bucks to

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Like, Oh, I think I think AB vi came first it did 22 comes to kind of help. So okay, yeah, I think it's it's probably no, it's it's 25 right now it's 22. Okay, but I think it's all about implementation of AVI file. Okay,

yeah. So we're gonna watch a little Tic Tac video. I'm not gonna describe it. At first, I want to, I want people to hear it, and then just kind of give the feedback on it. So my California

peeps, are you seeing this prop 22 being promoted everywhere on apps? Apparently, companies like Uber, Lyft and doordash and instacart, etc. has spent over 180 $5 million campaigning California to vote yes. From my understanding of what prop 22 does is that allows companies like Uber, Lyft, etc, to keep drivers as independent contractors. Now, why I'm really suspicious of this moment is because do you see the yes 22 site? It is way too nice to be designed by a coalition if y'all know what I'm saying, seriously, look at this, it's too well designed. Now, if this passes, there's a lot of hidden clauses the apps don't tell you about. Apparently, when someone Sue's you under Prop 22, they sue you, not your tech company, and you're liable for all charges. And you have to keep in mind that tech companies control surge pricing, meaning drivers are basically dictated by how they're paid by the tech company, and they don't set their own price, which is what an independent contractor does. If so many tech companies are banding together and calling it a coalition. It's definitely for the benefit of them, not you.

I honestly think that that's all in there anyways. Like them suing us, I don't think they're gonna sue like, do you? Don't you feel like that's already in their terms of service or whatever?

Probably, yeah. It's been too long since I read the terms and toes or maybe never.

But yeah, I, I don't know it. What it boils down to me is I want to be an independent contractor, yes, by probably the definition in the dictionary, and it does not follow true independent contractor because you can set your own prices, I get that. But what I'm saying is I just want the flexibility. Everyone thinks that they're going to have that flexibility when that passes, and it's it's, it ain't gonna work.

But can you really set your own prices as a true independent contractor? I mean, I know if I if I'm,

if I'm a drywall guy, and someone calls I can charge whatever I want. True, but you can also then not get any work. Well, well, right. I mean, I mean, you're right. Yes. You

know, I want $2,000 to put on one sheet of drywall.

Right? Well, you have to be reasonable. But I guess my point is, is they're not it's you're not a truly independent contractor. But I don't I don't want to be an employee. And I'm no no, I'm man, guys, if this passes, how long is it going to come before it comes to Michigan or Florida or

anywhere? I think the big thing is gig economy is here to stay. Yes, it they're going to find a way around it. There. Yes. I there's no doubt in my mind that that the standard eight to five, being at the same factory or whatever for 30 years that is gone that that Yeah, we're gonna be there anymore. And we already seen change in how people do work, and it's going to continue changing in how people do it. Yeah. And it's going to be some kind of a hybrid between the gig economy, you know, a day today, and the full time work we know today, right? Where's it going to be? I don't know. But I think right now the gig economy we see today is very much pendulum swung the other way, and it's gonna land somewhere in between, of what the to what the two jobs I was like, give some flexibility to the people, but to the workers. Wow. Also, obviously protecting the the employers.

So Can anyone give any feedback of how this would be good for drivers? Other than like having? I mean, obviously, the benefits, but do you really think that we're gonna be able to provide all that like, no, no. Would they pull out a California? I don't know.

That'd be weird. Because their base there,

right? I don't think they would matter. I don't think they would, it would matter to them. No, no, they would pull it out in a heartbeat if it if it made sense.

I have a question. And maybe you guys can answer it. Are they back in Austin? Because I know they pulled out of Austin, Texas. Are they back in there? Are they all don't know, I haven't seen? Yeah, I'd just be curious. I know there's other rideshare companies in Austin, but I didn't know if

another back end was in London.

Yeah. But they I don't think they ever actually pulled out a London right there was there was they were they were gonna do it. But then they were saved in the 11th hour,

something like that. Yeah. And they must have a lot of lawyers on payroll to keep up with all that. I mean, they have to spend all our money with some nice parties. Remember, we talked about that? Sorry. Good. All right. So you know, during this podcast, if you guys want to comment on that I know there's not too much live chatter going on right now. That's okay. But if you if you do want to talk about the prop 22, I want to hear your feedback as well. Why and then is it as is that? What do you guys want? What do you think? What do you think prop 22 would help you? And what way? Yeah, I mean, the way that that, you know, the people are saying is the benefits the the fair wages, but I mean, what's a fair wage?

Right, right. I tell you what,

my heart like my gut like dropped, though, when she mentioned that. They sue you instead of the company.

Yeah, but I think they already can do that.

I don't. I mean,

I don't know. I mean,

what are they suing you for? Right? A car accident, right. insurance company takes care of that? Yeah. I mean, I guess if you sexually assaulted somebody, I mean, I guess they could go after you. But then you're gonna be in like, jail. So that you have bigger problems?

I don't know. I just feel like hesitate. You just like small claims court or something for negligence or

I guess, but I feel like they can already do that.

Well, this is some small claims is not civil suits. No, it's not. So that that wouldn't be the same. Yeah. Small Claims is mean. somebody forgot the laptop in your car. And yeah, you don't have it.

Yeah, I just feel that you could get sued anyways, I don't think she and again, I just saw this on Tick Tock. Y'all are may talk. Actually, I don't know. I think someone I don't know. I think I actually saw it on Reddit. But it's from Tick Tock. I don't know who this girl is or anything. So I just wanted to have it. spark conversation.

Yeah. So no, absolutely. Let us know what you guys think. Do you guys think that prop 22 and a minimum fair wage and moving away from the working model we have today would help you do you think that would help you? I just

I just feel like it's just I don't know if we can, but I think

it has to do with the market. You're in as well. Yeah. I mean, I there's no doubt in my mind. It would kill Gravis market. I think it would it would not work at all.

I'm at least I'm glad that they're leaving it up to the the residents. Like it's a voting thing. And if they voted now, now it is but I mean, if they voted in then there's really nothing you can do about it. Right?

Stop driving. Yeah.

I mean, you're gonna end up stop driving, because you're not gonna be able to get on the schedule, because they're to have enough right drivers. Yep. And then and maybe Uber will base it on, like rating. And all of a sudden, if you have a little bit of an acceptance rate, like once you're an employee, they can do whatever, you know what I mean.

When I exactly now they can fire you whenever they want to. Right. Yeah. I mean, they can say they can, but they can. Hey, I want to say welcome to Nick and, and and Galen, thank you for joining us.

Yeah. All the volumes down. Yeah. That was getting me some buzz. GALEN said Wish I could get some rides.

Yeah. How's that going out there. So we just heard that people are starting to slowly start taking driving passengers again, right. Yeah. And so we want to hear about that. You guys. Taking passengers. What kind of What kind of precautions are you guys taking in your car? Obviously, you know, everybody has to wear masks. are you guys doing anything more than that? That kind of stuff?

You know? Yes, sir. And I were fighting before the show about a little bit. He

just read I

know, I see this black guy, or whatever. And I processed what we talked about, but I I wouldn't hesitate to get a divider. I mean, I don't think I would have a problem with that to put one in there.

Yeah. I mean, yes, but but it's the writers there is it is the drivers, no writers there yet in good habits. Are they? I mean, I

don't know. I mean, I

there's lots of times where I see lots of big surges, but at the same time, people are complaining there's nobody there to to do to pick up.

I feel like there's something broken with a surge right now. I've heard a lot of

Yeah, I think they fixed it now. But there was an issue.

Seth on YouTube said

I don't see prop 22 working for part time drivers like me. The reason I do this, because I can work when I want. That's 98% of you. Why would I Why don't want it to pass because like I want to be able to just turn it on when I want to.

Exactly. So Miguel is saying that right now there's a promotion going and there's way too many drivers out there. You know, so there's no path no riders,

Nick is from Detroit aces. It's dead in the de la. They anyways. Alright, let's keep going on the next article. Yes for me.

Hang on.

It's your I'm sorry. I surprised you. Talking about the shift. Yes. Yeah. Shoppers for the holiday season. Yes. A lot of regular shoppers off.

Definitely. And I kind of heard I was surprised when I read this article, because I was kind of hearing I heard that, actually from Sam, that it seemed like ship hasn't been so busy lately, but maybe, I mean, I know they're, they're winding up for busiest season. So anyways, the article goes shift is adding 2700 new grant avid shoppers for the holiday season. And more than that, you know, throughout the entire country. They're adding just a ton new new shoppers. I wonder

if they're the like all of them that came on with COVID they just been shitty and they've already been fired or quit or went back to the regular job or what

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So But anyways, the CEO goes we embarked on the holiday season like none before, and taking proactive steps to ensure we can help American families get everything on the holiday list. groceries essential gifts, essentially gives home decor and apparel in a safe, affordable, convenient, convenient way. Ship says that they will continue to keep shoppers safe by providing PP equipment such as gloves, masks and hand sanitizer. And they add that financial support will be offered to those who may be unable to work as a result of Conan COVID-19. So I think me I guess it's okay. But I hate to create another situation like we're having right now with Uber. What just wait, there's way too many people out there. Nobody has anything.

Right now the shipped app has five orders. That's it open in the metro. And

at like, nine, it's 930. It's getting a little late man is

little late. But I mean, think two months ago when there was like, yeah, hundreds.

Yeah. Hey, I want to go real quick back to what we were talking about with the prop 22 Seth made a good point, also, I think would lead to scheduling. And that would make it harder to run multiple apps. That is a really good point about if you're driving for Uber and you're not gonna drive for Lyft or vice

versa, they're gonna put the foot down and oh, yeah,

and I have trouble with that on grubhub. Because I will pick up a shift on grubhub. Let's say it's three hours, but I have Uber Eats on to and then it's tough to juggle that. Because if you sign off grubhub they give you like five minutes and they send you a text like hey, you need to sign back in or we're kicking you off the schedule. So right when you're you're kind of even though you're still independent contractor for

him, it was dry.

Yeah, but the

con tractor

I was wondering if you're gonna catch that. I was fighting down a burp and then I just let it go. I'm sorry for anyone that heard that. The word and the burp, knows. I'm still an independent contractor through grubhub. But you still kind of feel like an employee when you're on the schedule, right? So that's a really good point. Sorry, I didn't mean to sidetrack you. So what do you think about I mean, if they're gonna add a thought, is that just 1020 700

not just the file for Grand Rapids. Yep. 2700 new Grand Rapids shoppers.

That's not the forums, the forums, the Facebook page for shipped and Instagram. here locally both have like so many people complaining about all of these shipped shoppers and instacart shoppers that are like fly by night. Yeah, I know just breaking all the rules don't care.

So one thing for people that don't know what shipped and I just posted an interview with Kristen we did it a couple months back, but we gave it to Patreon first but then wanted to get it out to everyone else. She's the lead ship shopper. Yep, she said that that honeymoon period that we talked about the first 10 you get first dibs. But then after that, if, if you're not good if you don't have a high rating, you're not going to get the shops now. I don't think instacart is like that. It's just a free for right. Yeah, as far as I know. Anyway, Yeah, I think so too. I don't think writing is super important. Yeah.

instacart but every time I go to Aldi I see more and more instacart shoppers. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a growing service.

So I feel all the has a curbside service. Now I wonder who shopping for that? It's

It's the instacart shoppers. Okay, so it's just like the mic it

is anyways, it must maybe that's why you're seeing more, so they're not actually delivering it?

Well, so they have a big area up front where they put all the finished orders. Okay. And then when they pull up, I think maybe it is actually an employee who brings it out. Yeah. But somebody carries it out to the car. Yeah.

I would hate to I hate to say this for instacart shoppers, and no offense, I told my wife about the pickup and she's like, ah, if all the employees do it, I think I'm okay. But if if if a app base person does it, I don't think I'm interested. And I think it kind of we've had some issues with instacart before shoppers just not caring. Yeah, like, this is my food like, right, you know, the produce, like, give directions, and then it's just like, but you even look,

but that's what it comes back to also with what Kristin was saying, right? It's like the good ones gets weeded out pretty really good, you know, really fast with bad, bad bad ones. Good, but not instacart. No, that's true. But yeah, yeah. All right, moving on point.

So this next one is

this is great.

It says from Reddit, it says I made my own Google ad to mess with Lyft. And says, says Lyft. tipping is now mandatory. So drivers can make a livable wage. If you don't tip they make about 350 an hour. Also, you can get to 711 to buy a candy bar lifts Need a ride, get a lift.

So that was the ad that he created. That was the adequate and then read the comment or the the initial poll. And

so Lyft came back and it says lift. Hi there, tipping is completely optional and not mandatory. The wording of that ad is misleading. And we'd like to bring this to the attention of a specialized team of hours. Can you please send a private message with a direct link to that? What

will the ope the original poster said hey, lift I was searching for your app so I could download it to call for a ride and I came across this advertisement for you. I didn't realize that I had to tip my driver. So that's that's that's how it's hilarious and then less like we DMS I hate that. Anyways, I feel like I want to reach out to the guy that did the ad.

Next one from prompt to man. The next one says lift the specialized team already makes a livable wage. So you don't have to tip them either.

I didn't know people could do that like you can create an ad for for a business and not have any verification.

Well this is just you can you can I'm sure he didn't it wasn't live this is just using AdWords to set up that oh you think an example app? Oh yeah. Well,

lifts responding though.

Well, cuz he's posting a photo. He's posting a screenshot to them that he's not he?

Oh, yeah. Right. He does. Okay, I see what you're saying. He probably okay, screenshot

as long as you know, I don't

know. It looks pretty legit to me.

Well, cuz you can anybody can sit up, but this is an AdWords.

All nerds. Okay, we don't all know that. nerd, Doug. If you want to talk podcasting nerd out with you, but Taliban. I don't know what the hell an ad word is. Alright, so this next one's mine. It's just kind of funny. This is a little. And what add would this picture for our audio listeners is it's about the debate. So it's been a while. But it's it's a poll on a news. Probably some 24 hour news site. But how did the debate make you feel? first answer? Ah, 69% second answer. I longed for death. 31% The third answer? Can you hire a newbie, a newbie to run you over? 19% I just thought that was funny and informed was 70%. That's this the shitty part is like the actual legit answer is the lowest one.

Did you notice how the total is more way more than on a present? Oh yeah, I just didn't even realize that

math. Can you hire an Uber to run you over? Can you hire should it be? Can I hire anyone

who wrote this? This fake news?

Of course. Okay, fake news whoever whoever had the Photoshop

right? Yes sir is going to talk about we got a lot of shift articles in this yeah

tonight. So this is actually a good story and I posted it in there because you know, it's just always good to to run by those and kind of have the good the good stories The Good News come up and you can I

tell you that my response is not it's not a good story. So just read it. You can we'll talk about it because you are. You know, your heart is like, yeah, you told that to the zoom ride people that I'm heartless I said ADB bro. No, ox Don't touch my radio.

I'm not crying, you're crying. So anyways,

I sound effects.

Back in May, I placed an order and asked the shopper to check target for a hula hoop. She's not fine one. Later in that day, she came back with a hula hoop, and a card and a gift for my other daughter who was graduating high school. We had a sign in the yard. Since then, I've seen how about while shopping and we talk The only other shopper that stops and talks. Fast forward to the other day. And she claimed my order. And we were talking on the port and I told her that insulated bags are awesome. They fit so much next days he shows up with two backs for me. There's so many days I wonder what I've done to the to be in the position my family's in and wonder when the good I've done will come back around. Well, here it is someone showing us kindness my six year old daughter was even teary eyed from the gesture. Thank you Evelyn from Lakeland, you rock. So it was just somebody who took the extra time and the extra effort to just do a couple of nice things.

While I think it's nice, I mean, this is what I talked about with those ship shoppers like, how can I even get close to getting a shop when you're frickin buying gifts for your people? Like, I understand the thoughtfulness but like, I've never actually now that the pay that you get seems to be pretty reduced. Yeah. So you're on your shop and I spend in half the money and cards and yeah, and that's why I'm so frustrated with ship because like, I mean, I like

i would i would understand more. I think if she said that this was a lady that always does her shops, but it appears just from reading it that it's been twice that she got her. And I'm like, you know, okay, if you if you shop somebody all the time, you know, week after week, okay? You know, you guys build a relationship. And yeah,

I can see it a little bit. Right? You started somewhere. Pete, you start that relationship somewhere by

buying all this stuff for somebody.

It's not that she's buying stuff. A hula hoop is three, four bucks. It's the it's the attention to detail and the willingness to step out. That's that was what I kind of I that's what caught me on the story. I thought it was cool.

If we were playing Call of Duty at Comic tryhard.

You all you also just have a have no hide. Can you pull your mic?

I'm not merging them. Yeah,

it was it's pointing to your chest, your neck. So

you're on my chest is talking to

Yeah, your boobs

don't want to have them too. So

I think she's you know, I get what you're saying.

I do too. I'm looking at it from a perspective of like being a gig worker. This is like, this is why I'm not successful on ships, because I'm not going to do that. And so I'm not going to have the highest rating. So let's go get the chops.

Let's go back to the you know, so I not everybody remembers Ben but Ben was one of the founding members of the GR rideshare was and now the gig economy whatever everybody remembers Ben, everybody remembers Ben so he is he used to many moons ago and way before even Uber and Lyft was even a thing. He used to be part of a ministry downtown that would drive people home. Yes, right. Isn't that the same thing? is out there showing love? Yeah, out there showing compassion showing that you care. And yeah, it's a $4 hula hoop, but

well, and a card and a in another gift to freezer bags.

No, I understand but but it's just for some people the GI economy is not all about making money.

That's true. But But don't you feel like that's a little over the top like how are How are other people supposed to compete that have to have that in mind. She's She's

not doing it to compete, right? She's not doing it to be better than you. Oh

no, she's not she is cuz then the shipped platform, the higher the rating the more shops you get,

but she doesn't care. She may not care. I can't say she doesn't. I don't know her. No, I, but she may not care about that at all. She may just actually have Evan have Christina's mood in mind. He dm or

WhatsApp ask her.

So we don't know. Right,

right. We're both speculating, but I just wanted to look at it from a guy that struggles on shift because I can't get the shops because I don't have

both. So how are you gonna get it? You gotta get those who love rings. Okay, get those cards. Get those extra gift. You know, daughters,

you know, from now on, everyone's getting a $50 gift card and their groceries. Might as well. I mean, I like being poor. Oh, my goodness.

I mean, at some point. I mean, a lot of shops. You know? I mean, you're getting what? 15 to 20 bucks. You're spending $4 on a hula hoop. That's 616 you made you buy into freezer bags. That's you know, what are those like four bucks apiece at Meijer?

freezer bags? Yeah, I don't know. No, this demo backs

thermal bags. Yeah, for probably six, eight bucks.

So you're looking at eight bucks you made?

I mean, I guess I would

I would isolated Yeah, sure. It's isolated. But it just, I, I have it on there. Don't touch my radio.

That's all I can say.

I have it on there. Just to put in perspective on what you have to compete against as a ship shopper. That's really all the reason I taken the counter argument. It's super nice. I love that people will go out of their way to do that. Because we need more of that. Right? In this world right now. Especially with all the crap going on. But all right, Pete's gonna talk about Uber Eats and they want to deliver. I mean, what are they going to start doing weed? I mean, they're delivering everything else.

So what they're doing flowers.

Yeah, flowers and pet supplies. Flowers. So the latest update to Uber Eats app will make one thing obvious to consumers. Uber Eats wants to expand beyond delivering pizza, tacos, noodles to also delivering flowers, pet supplies, convenience items and unique finds from local shops. This is Uber Eats entering its next chapter of maturity. So the head of product for Uber Eats coming to place for instant access to local commerce. And really, this isn't a really a huge surprise to me. At least we know. We've talked about how they're expanding into delivery with Uber. delivery. I think that is what they call it one. Yeah. Yeah. So I've always thought to myself, why they haven't they expanded into stuff aside from food sooner. Yeah. Because they already have the, the network and the

Yeah, who didn't? Yeah, yeah, they have the technology. Who does the like the Home Depot runs? Or like for the bigger? Is that a? Is that an app that we know of? I don't know. Yeah, sure. And is that an instacart? Is that a but isn't?

I think there's at least one big difference for for just entering that market. Right? It's a different insurance, right? Because now if I if I'm driving, big items, big ticket items, delivering a big trend TV or whatever. Yeah, I mean,

because Best Buy must I don't get

no big screen TV. Oh.

Oh, Nick brought up a good point. roadie, duh. Yeah. roadie does like Tractor Supply. I think they do Home Depot to

Larry delivered to massage therapy. Oh, I bet you did.

I was gonna say some really nasty

notic because it's Larry. He's just such a nice guy. I feel like he's like, Dad, like, I didn't want to embarrass him too much.

That's right, roadie. You wanted to pick him up again. The next day. They wouldn't let him right. Yeah. I can't believe I forgot. roadie. Yeah. I was thinking you were talking about a different one besides roadie so I was like, what's the other one? Besides? Is there another one there is another one because Gabe was doing it for a while he signed up for it oh really deliver for he did some BestBuy things. And something else but it wasn't. wasn't ready. And it wasn't Uber obviously.

Yeah. That reminds me like I get so many apps. I'm gonna have to re sign him to deliver.

Deliver. Deliver.

Yeah, right. Like D Li ve Rs. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, never heard of that. Yeah.

Interesting. Huh.

But it didn't do much. I thought, I think that died pretty quickly.

It's not around anymore, though. I don't think so. Joe says Uber connect in my market delivering packages. Well,

where's your market? I mean, just make sense. Like, I have all this infrastructure already set up. Didn't

we talk about like a bazillion moons ago with Lyft that they were going to start Integrating that because they're like we know where you are. So we can imagine the the coding for

what they were supposed to do that during COVID. Right. Like one of the things that they were supposed to set up for the drivers was that you could deliver, like medical supplies or stuff like that in your downtime while you're slow. And then it never like material at least at least in our mark. Yeah,

I never heard

some of those things that testing some markets. Yeah. So Joe is in Baltimore. I know we talked about Uber Connect before an earlier episode. Yeah, talking about that at some point, but they're testing in some markets and apparently they have it in in Baltimore right now. That's pretty big city. Oh,

yeah. Yeah, I would love to do that. I actually enjoy doing amazon flex, like, Yeah, I don't want to be out there for 12 hours delivering packages, but it's really nice to get a three four hour route. And just like go I don't know, it's just a break from passengers. Obviously, we've had a long break right now, but in general, I still

miss it, man. I know I do.

But I love the packages because it's all it's a challenge for me. I my my brain is so production oriented. Like when I get 50 stops. I'm like, Alright, I'm gonna bang these out. You know, man. Yeah. Larry said lift talked about hasn't done anywhere. Any Oh, yeah. Yeah. Anyways. All right. Our next sponsor is oil Luber. I didn't have any good transition for that. So oil They are new into the market. They are out of Ann Arbor. They are a mobile oil change company. Yep. They'll come to your home. To change your oil. All you got to do is pop the hood. Yep. And, yeah, they reach out to us. And they said, get the word out for us. So if you can go follow them on Facebook, they would really like that in oil. And also, there's a new gig like this is this is like a twofer for y'all. If you need your oil change on demand. Yep. Or if you want more gig work, you can sign up to be a technician. And soon hopefully, by the end of the month, Brian told me he they're gonna have jumpstarts ready to go. I tried. It's not quite ready yet. So right.

This is a startup. But the cool thing about that is for everybody who is out there already is no burning and lifting around, put a put it put us some jump box in your car and sign up for the for the jumpstart service. And it's an extra way of making an extra 1015 minutes.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And if you know how to change oil, they're looking for that too. So Yep. Yeah, go to oil to sign up for being a technician or getting your oil change and on

to be the other end. Right. I think

that's for ambassadors.

Okay, I really apologize.

That's right. I don't know if he really wants to talk about

don't don't confuse them.

Yeah, dude, oil.

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said look at telegram message. Well, look at

telegram it doesn't take 20 minutes to do it.

Okay, when pizza up. That's what's going on. But you're up first. Nice zoom. Right. So that's a brand new platform opening it up. They're doing a soft launch right now. Right. And they are they are from the Detroit area assume right calm, my assume right calm and it's a new competing platform to Uber and Lyft. And it sounds so exciting. We have some just really crazy cool new features, new ways of getting paid that the whole point is is going to be much safer to be a driver and your writer and well driver, writer, and you and as a driver you end up getting keeping much more of the of the fare. They are talking about having cool new features, test pay for the day. And then keep to keep get to keep all the fares as all you can do. A commission a commission base where you get to keep everything about 20% cool new features. As a female rider you can request to only get female drivers you can request to get a ride with a with a car seat, and just just a slew of awesome cool new features that I think we actually didn't we have been talking about needing in hooba enough so that's that's really cool.

And yes for that was a great synopsis. You nailed that sucker. Oh, yeah. I we interviewed him at seven tonight. And I man I was blown away. And they had a map behind them.


That was a lot of cars.

It was a live map. It was I think it was probably made out of 636 inch TVs. So there's a giant TV screen behind Yeah, but it was really cool. And they had I think it was probably a 250 cars on that man.

Yeah, I'm sure they have a lot of people that are approved and have it on because they're hoping to get a ride and they're getting there. I mean, they need lots of lots of customers. So what markets are they in right now? So they're in Florida,

there's an area or they're working on Florida working on Florida, but they are still only soft launching in Detroit.

Yeah, okay. They're they I think they got the license in Florida, but so it's gonna be soon. But yeah, we told them, they said something that we tell them to come to Grand Rapids, or like Grand Rapids is easy, because they obviously have looked into it. So whatever the easy part is, meaning

they made it sound like providing that the soft launch go. Well, that made it sound like most of Michigan will go fast.

Yeah. Mark asks, Can male riders request female drivers to know? This is only on a rider and so riders? No, male riders cannot ask for females. You frickin creep. Anyways, but yeah, that that, uh, I was super stoked. Yeah. during that interview,

it was a great interview, and just Yeah, very, very excited about what's going to come there.

And Carol, that's a moderator and one of the trade groups actually works for zoom right now. Yep. And it was fun to talk to her. She's a driver. She knows our podcast, which was kind of cool.

I think I think that was one of the cool things, too, is they actually took and they went out and talked to drivers. Yeah, in there. I didn't say what do you guys need? You know? Yeah, that one. And so a lot of those features that that put into this right is a synopsis of having talked to veteran drivers. So people have been doing this for many times for many years,

I want to give a little small feedback, and I didn't talk to him on it. I know I said, I would tell them, I don't think it's that big of a deal. But they can turn your camera on in the car if an SOS button is pressed by either the driver or the passenger. I mean, I know it's just for safety. But when someone has and it's in the terms of service when you sign up for it, right? That you sign up for that. It just always and it's really hard to trust. I'm not saying there anything bad about them, because I think they're gonna do great. But if you had to sign up for Gmail, right, and they said that they could turn your camera on at any time, if they felt that something was unsafe there reading an email, let's say that you were typing, I'm going to kill myself, I'm going to kill myself or whatever. I know. I'm going way off topic here. I remember, but would you be okay with that?

Why wouldn't you? You have nothing to hide? Well,

sort of liberal says.

Pretty political now.

It's a pretty, I mean, it's a slippery slope. I mean, I can see it both ways. You know, I think it's right off the bat. It sounds like a good feature. But yeah, when you can when you kind of

think about it, dig down into it, because I'm sure.

So here's, here's a question. Yes. Are they ever going to be getting that feature approved in a dual consent state?

No. Huh? That's a good point. You just thought of that, didn't you? Yeah.

Yeah. That's a good that's a good point. Single consent state easy, right. Michigan

absolute? Well, here's the thing if you if probably in the terms of service for a rider says that if you accept it, I think that probably overrides the

it can though because the other party that's also being recorded did not consent to it.

Yeah. Their terms, their terms, they consented to it when they said I want to ride so in the terms of service for the rider, it'll What

if there's a third person in the car that didn't consent to it?

And then he got me there. Okay. He got me there. That one got him.

Well, Michigan and Florida are not two parties right

now. No, I mean, that's something single consent states are easy, right? Yeah.

I think I would be okay with it. Until like you start hearing stories. Oh, yeah. My camera was recording. Okay. Yeah. Done.

Yeah, I mean, again, they're,

I would not say, Man, cuz you if they have a tech error, and like, something accidentally, like, turns down the camera.

Well, that's the thing, like I'm at home, or somebody hacks

the app. I mean, there's there's some issues there. I mean, I'm not a tinfoil guy. Like I'm not sitting here cuz I'm not I tend to trust technology over then be like, I get that like, wait,

that's not right. Yeah.

Well, that's for a different day.

But yeah, it's a it's interesting. I think it's going to be great. I would love to have that because then honestly, if someone does, well, here's the thing. And maybe we did ask them but if someone does have a complaint for you, is it recording all the time? Like I don't think it is, but like how could they? You know, I'm saying

I think the biggest thing here is what the way they were talking about it. It's not until you push the nine one Right got

the SOS button. I honestly would feel more comfortable if they had a dash cam in there that was their dash cam that they could access anytime I would have much more I'd be like whatever take it don't care. My phone I take my phone everywhere. The basketball not the shower but in the bathroom in the bedroom. You know what I mean? Like I don't need nothing on only fans like

what what's on the fan? I don't

know. I've never been there. I just heard it on talk about a podcast But anyways, anyways, going back to zoom That being said, I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm not worried about it. I mean, the discussion point right

now you brought up you know dash cam now then I kind of give you a dash cams, but they are gonna give you the ability to get they had like a UV light that that cleans out for bacteria. Oh, yeah. And and they give you they have the option to give the drivers like a separation and the divider. Yeah. Now those are free. No, but there's an options for reimbursement of that cost. So that's really cool. I thought that was huge.

Yep. And it just this it's almost seems too good to be true. Like that's why I'm really worried that they may not get what they need. Like I'm really worried about that because I'm like so excited about like, I want you now come to me that was very sexual. saw what I meant but as soon as I said it I was like Nope, that's getting laughed

out tardy


it's live I can't change it. Sorry. Oh,

all right. Anyways, my zoom rights calm.

Go there. Sign us especially if you're listening. You're right or sign up.

Yep. go sign up. If they're not in your area if you know you might get right now still sign up you absolutely. The quicker you guys sign up, the more the more they will get the attention of your market and get that yes.

Or sign up as a driver. He's already denied. I'm not. They said speeding, they called lifts. And they said hey, you know, this guy is like, Oh, he's a lead foot. Don't even

they didn't deny me yet. I haven't. I haven't given up giving.

After they called lift they called vetoes to see how many times you feel

Oh my god, how

many times you hit the curb coming in.

such an idiot. Alright.

Alright, so this next one I'm before I get into it, guys. I'm gonna ask everybody in the chat. Has anybody been downtown? In ridden the scooters yet?

No. No, I seen one.

Right. I've seen him too. But so the next the next article is spin which is who is running all the scooters downtown. They have a bunch of job postings available for being a charger doing scooter delivery, maintenance specialists, mechanics, collectors, Operation specialists.

All for the scooters off of the school. Yeah,

I guess the reason I wanted to talk about it was it's not like gig work. So it's it's like you have to be on the clock from like a certain amount of time you drive a bunch of vans around and bring them back. So I wanted to say like 15 our 20

says earn up to 25 an hour.

Okay, full time. That's pretty good. It's not bad. I mean, I don't know if it was if you were a W or 99 or a W two. I don't know. But Has anyone seen those scooters? Anyone from Grand Rapids? I think

I saw a photo of one on

I saw one. I didn't see anyone seen him. But I

haven't ridden I'm waiting for the story. Now. Oh, yeah, guy gets killed because he was drunk. He fell into the street and I feel

like a lot like I don't I don't dislike our downtown by any means. But I feel like our downtown isn't really set up the greatest for foot traffic. No, let alone scooters. Well,

here's the thing can't so those scooters have. Can they go on? Are they on the sidewalk? Or do you have to ride them on the road?

how fast they go.

So I I some states, you're supposed to ride him in the road. It's illegal to ride him on the side.

Just like technically, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on this. Oh, isn't it?

I was gonna say isn't it the same rules at the bicycles? So bicycle has to be on the road unless there is a bicycle path.

Right? That being said, I gotta pee. I don't care. I'm just for some reason. I thought your article had a picture. So I was like, that's why you didn't go on like, you know, I don't care. Just keep talking. I'll be back in a minute. I drink like a bunch of water except headache.

You Bye bye.

Yeah, so. So scooters, it'd be interesting to see what they're like operating areas too, because a lot those got to be geo geo zone right?

geo Yeah, geolocation. Yeah. But I mean obviously, and the areas We can drop them off a rechargeable, right so those are like a charged man so you can get in touch again. Yeah, no, you gotta ride.

Thanks for the follow jack. But I didn't see when I was downtown, which was like once and I wasn't even all the way downtown. I was close to downtown. I saw one of the scooters. But I didn't see any charging stations. Okay, well, I don't think I think they pick them up and they get charged that way. You put it Oh, like when I was in Tulsa and used the scooters, there wasn't charging stations.

Well, so when we I saw I saw some of the setups in Chicago ones and they were definite charging station for you drop them off and pick them up now. Okay, so you would like take them to one of those areas. And that's how you got to pay electricity for that. While the city like subsidized or whatever, then I'm assuming Yeah, you you you pay for that that way.

So my sweat pants so Nick says in Ann Arbor you have to write them in the road right now, Nick, the question is, do they get written in the road? Or is it on the sidewalk for the most part are people actually follow the rules? I wouldn't

want to ride those suckers. I mean, if even if they go what probably 10 miles an hour.

Look at look at last. Was it last summer it was last summer it wasn't this summer look at last summer. How many pedestrians got hit? It was around talmer

was drunk driving. But still but yeah, it's the same same result right?

Like Can you imagine being on a scooter downtown? Oh

no, no. So oil Uber is actually on here tonight. Thank you guys and this ain't an IBO pickup in an hour guys pick up and charge them and

right that was the the job offers that they got for Grand Rapids. Okay, so they have a team that goes out and charges

See I wish it was just more of a gig where you just be driving along be like had no for the night you're like you know

I'm gonna Mexico it is in some cities. Yeah,

it is like I heard or line. Yeah, yeah. Nick says in the road or get a ticket. Oh, wow. I mean,

yeah. You know how busy it is downtown in the summer. Like, it's gonna be crazy once you get drunk people driving,

right? Well, when we get back to normal in here, I'm being ignorant or the bars open in Grand Rapids right now.

Yeah. Oh, they are ones that last time.

You have no i think i think you have to be 70% of your income has to come from food. Then you can be open, right?

It's not I saw that somebody posted in Grand Rapids. Like the anchor was open. And I'm like they're not 70% food.

Well, they may claim that they are.

A bunch of bars got shut down Flamingo.

Oh, yeah, that place is a dump anyway.

That places a dump. I wouldn't be caught. That's I was gonna

poop on him. But

that's unfortunate, right? Yeah. Oh, man. There's some shady shit going on in that bar. I'm telling you right now. I don't like to pick people up from there. No offense.

Well, I can't I can't even place it.

It is near the salmon zoo. Yeah. Closer to the zoo on the south side of the road. Kind of kitty corner from Joey's ever. Yeah,

yeah. No, they lost

her license to for a while. Yeah, yeah, that's another

that was before COVID. Yeah, that was that's

such a such a burrow bar.

Not too far from puppets. But Joey's is right across the street from puppets. Yeah, but then Flamingo. Yeah, they're all kind

of cool. That's not quite as far down as okay. Yeah.

All right. That was one time. It was so funny. I picked up a a, it was a wedding party, and she was definitely not done being out partying. So I picked I picked them up. They were done with a with the reception and they cleaned up everything. Yeah. And I took him to puppets.

What kind of life what kind of marriage Are you gonna have to

know we're going to Butbut and he was already

drunker than drunk. I cannot cast the stone. So when I got married, the bar taps was around. Oh, yeah. Remember tabs? Yeah. I went there after reception. And God drove. Like I got spilled mustard. The hot dog out there. I Oh, I said Megan's you

news? Yeah, it's gone.

I said inappropriate things to her friends about certain body parts on me like it was like, it was me to before me to my wife. Megan's like, Oh, my God, I'm married. But

can I get this dinner? No. It's been less than 24 hours.

All right.

Moving on, I thought this was interesting email. I don't know where I think I saw it on Facebook. It says hi, Josh. From left, we received numerous reports from passengers that you're not ending the rides at their drop off locations, thus causing them to be overcharged for the rides. After further review with our risk team will be deducting a total of $261 and 46 cents from future earning rides. You did not properly end. Please know Lyft reserves the right to withhold all or a portion of ride fees if it believes you To the fraud abuse lift payment system.

Look. I'm not saying that's never happened to me, or I've never done it. But you got to be trying. Yeah, I $160. So to access

that website, what do you do? So you drop the peasant off and you don't drive?

Basically. You drive somewhere because I've done it. Not on purpose, but I've done it.

I've done it on accident. I've done it if the rides too short, if it won't let me close out, you know, when the ride around the block happened

once to me. That has been too short. Really? Yeah, that's it.

Okay. I've had a bunch of times.

I it was so crazy, because I had to I took them from Stella's to around here whiskey. Yeah, that was practically what it was. Just there it was. What was that? What is the the food joint on the other side? Yeah, exactly. Two minutes. And it was too short.

Wow. I feel like that would have been long enough.

No, that's not long enough. Oh,

yeah. percent i can tell you a fact.

Yeah. But then I drove up to be to be dubs Neverland.

Yeah. And then the vetoes eat more pizza.

Yeah. Um, so I brought that up. Just I didn't know Lyft could just be like, yeah, a few. I'm taking $261 out. But if they're, if that's based on just the extra, he must have been doing every single ride, yeah, unless he's like going for five minutes and then doing it. But honestly, if you're a writer and listening this podcast, first of all, I don't know why, like, get off our stream. But

use your writer doing this.

know, if you're a writer in general, we don't want your stream.

Why not? I'm just

I'm just teasing. I'm just giving you please pay attention to your driver. Because there's a lot of drivers. I think when they're intoxicated riders, they just they don't care. They put the phone in their pocket till the next ride. So

just be vigilant all the time to hook up to your ox.

Yeah, then your one star.

Star. Just be vigilant. And when you take a ride, just make sure that the driver is doing the right thing.

What and while we will ever do that, but the driver has to just be respectful. Don't do that.

Yeah, well have ethics, right? I mean, it's you're stealing. You're stealing from the customer. I mean, let us look at it this way.

Your average ride is what we'll just say average ride is

10 bucks. Right? Right.

ish. That's 26 rides. If they did double what they were supposed to. Yeah. I mean, they had been skimming like, a ton because I'm skimming $10 at a time.

No, no. Yeah. So yeah, it could be like a couple weeks worth of

and now. They only taken what they can prove. And why didn't they just kick

his ass off the platform like that? I mean, yeah, you we teach you you got to lead what but like, you're good, dude. I think

by the way, I think what they're doing is that getting them money, and then they get no,

that's true. Go turn that back and then we're gonna kill Yeah.

Oh, by the way.

You seized and it says right here that he was not allowed to sneak Yeah, right.

They probably eventually did take him off. But speaking of ripping people off slash the

i like i like i like

it is a shit on us. It was a good segue. Yes, we are behind this month. But we're gonna have two episodes for you this month.

Cool. Awesome. Interviews scheduled?

Yeah, two new apps. One is going to be live soon. Probably December January one, probably not in the future yet. But yeah, if you go to slash the gig econ podcast, or just search the gig economy,

they won't weigh in on like it yet. But then the markets, they're coming into some pretty cool features.

Yeah, it's an app that you gig that you'd I don't know if you'll want to do it sounds a little weird. But there's people doing it. And

I Why not? I'm just excited about all the cool new gig opportunity. Right, coming.

Look, how much has it changed since we started back in the day? I mean, there's probably 10 apps right now in Grand Rapids that you can use them on, but anyways.

No, non mine. Yeah. Yeah.

I wonder how many people get that. Like, I mean, anyways, go to patreon and search the gig economy podcast, you get a bonus podcast a month you're getting to this month, you get a free piece of merch, and you get

before the scene after two or three months, right? It's two months. Yeah, we

got to get at least $20 out of you.

I mean, come on that we're on a shoestring budget over here. Yes. Where does the lobby spend shit. So

there you go.


All right. Pete, you're up next.

Alright, so this next one

speaking of money,

Yeah, it's from a person on Twitter that said, um, I just realized that Uber has taken 577 out of my bank account every day since October 7.

And this was posted on the 10th. So in the 10


first of all, who's got who's got 1500 dollars in their checking account? That's pretty nice. It's fine to have that.

Well, we're not

over saying, Oh, are you bragging that you're rich? No,

but people have that. That's it. I'm not rich. I just don't think it's done a reasonable.

He's off. He's done. dunzo. He's bragging about how rich he is. My point was having that amount of money. Like it was a joke. Yes.

No, I know. But it can already be called for I mean, right. Yeah. But yeah, it's just, um, my takeaway was is Uber isn't doing that. Right. I don't think so. No, you're telling was that?

Now the comment I'm in the comments kind of hit it. Right there is it's very unlikely. It's very likely someone hacked your account, Uber can get in big trouble for that. I would file a complaint with FTC right away. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't think that Uber I think that she,

yeah, but how? Okay, so you think she's a drug? I thought she was a passenger. How is the passengers account getting hacked? And how would Uber like, so she must be a driver, then?

I assume she was a driver. Yeah,

that's what I assumed that is weird that they can just take money out of your check. I mean, I get it as a rider because you're paying for a service. But when you're a driver, I guess. I know. Just what wears me out when it goes down.

Details. Really?

Yeah. So not enough detail. Technically, technically the way we getting paid. That is a car. It's a two way connection to your bank.

I go to a yeah.

Oh, yeah. What?

But yes, they can take thing the both take money and give you money. Right. I

didn't think that I didn't think Uber could just take money out of your checking.

lifted into the last guy.

Yeah, that's true.

It's an AC h connection. And you can technically do both.

Even on a debit card. If you're using a debit or credit card.

There's Yes, you can do both. But they are not allowed to do it. Right. It is technically possible. Yes.

But I didn't know that. I just assumed she was a passenger passenger. Not a driver. But

I still don't think Uber doing it. You don't think so? No, I think the account was hacked. I don't know.

Either that or someone is getting some. Some Uber rides on her. Right?

Yeah, yeah, that could be too although that's quite a bit of Uber rides around Salar so

but then no matter what just call your credit card and dispute the charges. Hey,

I have a digression. Speaking of credit cards, I had a Patreon $50 withdraw in my checking account or but not Patreon. Only fans know i mean shed busted hopefully doesn't listen this podcast. Hey pal, I had a $50 pay like $50 even right. And I go to paypal my paypal account there's no record of it because I buy stuff with PayPal all the time. Like it's just easy to me when you're buying stuff online instead of getting your cart your credit right? I mean, I just use PayPal. There's nothing in there. So what do I do? Call my bank and dispute it like yes. So then my next aggression is I waited online or on the phone on Tuesday, so I can work in be on hold because I just have bluetooth headphones in for two and a half hours to get a hold of the bank to stop That's crazy. Isn't that craziness? someone bought our bank got four words for you. Oh he says if you say Bank of America

Chemical Bank link Lake Michigan credit union.

Okay, so this is

our focus we need to talk about first of all yes chemical TCF took over it's been a disaster I guess like Michigan I think they are one of the best banks and credit unions or credit unions in Michigan. Their app sucks their their mobile app is terrible. It's very clunky new stuff coming. Oh yeah.

Yes, they they I I've had there with them too. And they say that all their systems are getting improved. They know they're behind. Yeah, but it's getting much much better.

I'm not saying I'm old but I've been with them since they were teachers credit union. Really?

Your Honor. I love everything I have with them and I have been I was fifth Fifth Third would stay shot.

I don't like them you know I'm at the pump that

Chemical Bank was okay. I was okay with them. They were a little behind I'm not impressed with everything FTC or whatever. That's all Yeah, I think oh my god. I mean, I

understand. I understand COVID but but call screens Like what?

She probably heard her name that

my wife joined The stream Jason

Well, she can look at the bank.

So we I have a story to okay about TCF. No, no, but about credit cards, listen to this and apps. So Julia has an app has a tablet, right? Yeah. And she apparently signed up for and I, I it taught me a little bit because I thought I had all these things blocked. Apparently I didn't. She signed up for this stupid little app to make to make dog and cat talk, right? It was a three day free trial, right? Guess how much that cost every month?

I think you think us was like 250 bucks. $212.


And it's total bullshit. Wow. Right. And I'm still we're still trying to get that dispute. I'm pretty sure we are gonna get the money back. But it's a $212 a month to use an app.

Yeah, it's just a scam. It's for the kids who

are paying attention to their kids.

But it's like that is we did kill us.

Yeah, it is ridiculous. But anyways, sorry about our digression about the fangs.

Oh, and apps. Then.

Be careful out there guys, because they had taken taking your variety we just

talked about before the podcast. How older people struggle with technology and

awkward and call me Oh, not you.

I mean, you are old, but you're the oldest one in here. Call me old. You are beautiful, though.

Yeah, no, that's okay.

All right. What are we doing? steaming packs, okay. thieving packs dropped off a packs as she was exiting vehicle. And she asked me if the keys including key chain on the backseat were mine. I told her they weren't but I would return to the previous writer when they reported them loss. She sees that she snatched them up and said, I like the key chain. So I'm going to take them again. I said I would return them to the owner. Her response was fuck them. I was stunned as as she walked off to her job at McDonald's.


I mean, it doesn't surprise me.

But that video we had last week where the guy got right to steal the tablet and then still stole the phone. Right?

Yeah, I don't know if Yeah, the last

week, but maybe it's two weeks. And we also talked about them driving around with a MacBook for like seven to seven days in the back of the car. Like I was just an idiot.

Yeah. How did you not know that? There was like, you should check your car. Here's a tip y'all check it before you start. You should? Some people say they check it every time. I think Ben did. I was like you're full of ship and you're

not looking. I swear there was one time I had a a wallet in the back of my car for seven days. And I could not find I know I had

that happen where you look in it. I mean, there are a lot of crevices and especially your van. I mean, nothing's huge. But uh, yeah, you should check your car at the beginning of shift for sure. At the end, just look back. And I will like when I drop somebody off, I might look back at the back. Right. But I'm not like getting out of my car. Me What?

I did the same thing. I mean, when I was working Fridays and Saturdays all day, I would start you know, I check the car in the morning. Yeah. And then it's like somewhere around five in the afternoon or whatever. I check it again. And then at the end of night.

Yeah, at least you know, that's just like to find out that people that the person who dropped the wallet got it back. Sorry. Yeah, got it back to them.

I've had people request crazy stuff. Hey, man, I love my iPad in there.

No, you didn't know you didn't.

You didn't. I've looked I know an iPad didn't slip down the crevice. Like it's, you

know, it's my iPad now.

What do we always say if you find a phone in your car, though that fucker right out the window? No, don't do that.

No, just turn it off. Yeah, somebody's showing up to your house

right in the middle of the night, Ben.

That's what I was gonna say. Ben. Ben share that story threads last night. Tune into that. All right. Yes. For last article before.

So this is a Yahoo Finance app. Seattle approves minimum wage for Uber and Lyft drivers. So this is another minimum wage. Yeah, we didn't talk about this, I think, right. Am I I saw it in there. It was after the date of the last podcast. So I said No, we didn't talk about it. But so this is another one, you know, a little bit connected to the whole AB whatever. And I maybe five top 22. So but this is in Seattle. So Yahoo. So here it goes. This has to do a minimum wage law. I believe it's Seattle, if you aren't Uber or Lyft driver, I can't imagine this. It says a couple people talking together. It's kind of weird. So but big thing is obviously the Seattle is now jumping on the bandwagon of approving minimum minimum wage to Uber and Lyft drivers. And what they're basically talking about is that they are proving I think they're saying 16 done. As an hour, as a minimum minimum drive after expenses, as well, yes, but it's also, and this is why it's getting gray areas, right? It's only when you're on when you lie when you're Yeah, if you don't have a ride, it's exactly the

way that if you take a 10 minute ride, you just get paid for that 10 minutes.

What the whole point now is, so that, I would think the only way it could work is so you're taking a 10 minute ride, right? But but that ties into your 16 minute give parents

if you only did one ride and you only made eight bucks, you're still gonna get the 16 for that hour. Well, yeah, but right. That's the whole point. Yes,

the app has to guarantee you at least 16. But the moment you have two or three rides, Now, obviously, you're more than that, that you minimum minimum,

but but then it does, then then you are getting paid. If you're not taking a ride, then I mean, you have to be on the app. I'm saying like, okay, you sit at the airport, let's say, right, and you get zero rides for the whole hour, you get no requests, not by

one, but you're not getting paid. Why they don't have a fare. The point is the amount, the total amount of pet fares you have for the hour is going to give you $16 or more.

Okay, so if you don't get off fair that hour, you don't get paid. No. So what's the minimum wage then?

Yeah. Well, you have to have a fair. That's weird. But But I think that that's how they protect themselves against offering rights, you know, taking?

Well, no, that is fine. Because if you don't take a ride, then you don't get paid. I'm saying if you don't get a request, right? I'm saying not. Not not accepting. I'm saying just a request in general, like it's deader than a doornail, which could be in Seattle. But I'm saying so you don't get paid $16? Yeah, at least. So that's

from what I could read in the article. No, then you have to have a ride. So

you basically have to at least have one ride an hour to get that 16 an hour. Right.

And but but more importantly, what they're saying is this is another situation where this is not what the drivers want. No, they don't want this. No. And this Yeah, it's just it things are changing. Be aware of what's going on in your market and just have an opinion about if this is actually what you want. Right? You know, it that's that's the big thing. We can expect many other cities and states around the country to sort of issue a similar sort of mandate, as we see in California when lift heavy human lead denied implementing adea 85, which did go into effect. And in November, we should anticipate that prop 25 to potentially create that third class of employee will potentially get passed when you say prop 25. That's what the article is saying. Yeah, prop 25 I wonder

if that's something in Seattle, maybe that's where it because you were

talking about prop 25 in California.

It's prop 22

whatever. That's what I'm

trying to clarify. I thought was another one in anyways in Seattle. So

So anyway, so they're talking about creating a third category, you know, you have your employees and you have your gig you have your contract workers. Yeah, there's got to be a third which is kind of an in between. So but yeah, again, people I don't think drivers wanted that's all somebody wants it. Well, yeah, but isn't it just isn't adjusting the government. Yeah, they want their tax. They want their tax money, right?

They still get it we still pay at the end of the year. Stupid. But

yeah. All right. Ah,

thank you so much. Whoever did that. No, that's our tip time. Oh.

can't keep up all your Let's try it again. What

is that? Okay, Google. How did that even happen? We weren't even talking it was

my phone is off. See? And we're talking about

cameras coming on

with apps running

in the background. Anyways, tip time so I saw this on the Reddit group. Uber drivers on Reddit it says if you opt to refund a rider does the entire refund come out of your earnings or just the share you got paid so first of all, what is the answer to that?

Does anyone know

when do you get paid?

Right? Well it says I had a ride and I forgot to check before I started turned out to be a round trip to a notoriously so pack McDonald's drive thru the only way to know that I know of is to hit arrive and stop and then end the ride. No, that's not the only way of doing it. Hold on. I know. This is why it's a tip time. There's lots of air parentheses if I'm doing this wrong, someone please tell me. Yes, sir. Tell them Yes, you're doing it wrong. Okay, you can just cancel the ride. The rider asked me if you get a $72 back and I honestly don't know. First of all, if he said that before I ended up getting Like, I'm staying on. Like, I'll sit in this drive thru. I got my comment immediately says I got paid about $9 for the ride since there was a driver surgeon for 575. If I try to refund the packs, will it take that $9 out of my earnings? Or I lose a 72? He was charged No, you're not gonna lose the 72 if it's just my portion that I give up what happens to the rest of Hooper? Keep it How can he's gonna get it back? I know. So well. First of all, the 72 was probably what he was quoted for the entire ride. There's some mis communication going on there. Like that guy did not pay 72 for what that driver did. But damn if i like i said if he would have said 72 I'd be like, I'll sit in this drive thru right?

You're probably gonna make 50 bucks off that. Yeah,

so Uber doesn't keep it everyone gets their money back. If you refund a rider you don't get paid. Like it's just like it never had.

It's your choice to cancel the ride.

Yeah, well, he stopped it like a dummy.

Instead of canceling the ride, right? If you would have just cancelled it, that would have been fine. No one would have got paid no one would have got charged it would it would all be good. I just

want to know who's paying $72 for McDonald's.

Well, clearly there was a surge. Right? There's a 575 search for the driver. So we know we've seen some of those rates. These people are paying like especially on Lyft we're not we're getting paid pennies and they're getting you know charging the customer $100

I we've been talking about that now. What?

How much Uber and Lyft gets and how much you get

heavy bag talking about? You're talking about that. I'm just like, I can't fathom in my mind. I

was hungry. He was probably drunk and he was

drunk. I am. Yeah. And $72 Hell no.

No, I'll go eat out of the freezer section at Meijer before I do that. Right No way,

because it's right next to the Ben and Jerry's.

Well, I feel bad for this driver. I feel like I need to message them and say hey, do you need some help? Hey, Brian, you're driving like let me just give you a few tips just just to help a brother out you know what I mean? Once

you check out this Facebook groups called GR right? Yeah.

GR Rideshare Adventures

you on Facebook? It's called a

good kind of podcast. Yeah.

All right. Let's jump into social media. Get the hell out of here cuz it's hot as hell on this. I even turned the air on a hot thing. Speaking of hot our next shenanigans, it's for audio listeners. It's a big I wouldn't call it a rape van. Because it's not a Reaper van. No cuz it has windows all the way around. Yeah, but it says Cougar Uber Xl 35 Plus, and then on the back it says Got Milk. I mean, what does that mean? Mother, I'd like to

wear where

I might swear but I'm not gonna say in that form. It's just funny. So I enjoyed that. Jasper.

It is funny. So this is a guy's it's not that there's no right it's that I'm just going so fast you can't keep up apparently. So this is a photo that takes you to a shared on our local group in telegram and it must have been and and obviously an app failure because apparently he was going to 179 miles power I mean a 35 mile must be in a Tesla

Can I ask a technical question? Is anyone monitoring the Facebook feed I have there literally been no comment there has

been nothing going on. I just I don't know what's going on. It's quiet.

I was wondering if stream yard was glitching I think it is I was on stream yard isn't because I asked cuz he's on regular feed.

I'm on Facebook too, but I think Facebook is glitching

Oh okay, cuz I mean there's no that seems odd for us to not but

26 minutes hadn't been anything yeah. Anyway, and I even tried to be a refresher. Hmm. Anyways, I don't know what that boring Sorry guys. Yeah,

don't say sorry, guys. Oh, well. Somebody who said oh, what's you said break away.

Oh my break your break.

I'm gonna go Alright, this is Peters. All right,

PSA, if you

live again, so grip.

If you pick or peel your toenails or fingernails and leave them in people's cars. You are a disgusting human. How hard is it to not peel off a part of your body while in my car? Like GFC stop being trash. Okay, what is g? Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah,

that's bad.

That's bad. Okay.

Stop being trash.

Ryan from oil Luber. We're just in awe. I know you're all dead on me. Now. No one's talking that's it broadcasts

over. You know, that that one reminds me of a guy that I picked up over The northwest side, I pick them up twice. And both times when I want

to turn the corner, same guy that tried to not pick up all the time.

No, no different guy. He's on the west side. I agree. Yeah. Both times I had to make a right hand turn. So I look in the corner of my eye. dude's got his phone and hand on his

groin area. So

you can

both times but yeah, the same guy. The same guy.

Oh, yeah. Did you report him

now? Oh, it's even worse. I didn't. I mean, I didn't turn and look and say Hey, man, you grabbing your balls. You just have a grand. You know?

You got a dashcam you'd be like, what? I couldn't see. You couldn't?

Right? Yeah, I was gonna ask What's the weirdest thing that people have done in your car? I mean, just like gross stuff like toenails. I've never seen people like painting nails. I definitely

had a close sex experience. Not me, but people doing it in my car. Are you sure? Oh, yeah. Yeah,

I had a girl that like was I put a video that's on my my Instagram, but she was like, putting in weave? What nodding her hair.

Putting it in? Yeah, well, so but you have to cut your hair.

She was like cutting hair. She was doing something like she was like cut she was definitely cutting did you do Did you report I dropped her off and I pulled around the corner. And I got out and there wasn't a single hairs anywhere. What did she pick them all up? She must have put them all up. vacuum. I mean, I looked I was like this girl is like doing her hair in my car. Like I was expecting to find stuff everywhere. There was nothing interesting. Yeah,

I haven't really I don't really have any stories of like anything have got to go out during the daytime.

Yeah, this was when all the weird stuff

this was the right out to to college town. And they moved halfway out that they moved from the middle seat to the backseat.

Oh yeah, they got that van. Doing something that share the van sure doesn't quite get to the back. Nah,

not all the way back there. But yeah, I'm thinking about getting the new version of the van true though because it's a bigger screen better camera. Yeah, I only if I start driving and then you got the

rear camera. Now. It doesn't. It's rare for the outside. So if you get rear ended or Yeah, whatever. But yeah, it's nice. I know. I haven't finished that review yet. So

Carol, my teeny thank you so much for for for the CFO tuning in tonight.

Oh, Carol. Yeah, I didn't know what Carol's last name was,

either. But she's apparently Martini

Martini. Yeah, I'm really stoked for zoom. So I know we talked about it earlier, but come to Grand Rapids, sign up, sign up everyone sign up. So I think that's it, y'all.

We got anything else. I think that I

turned the air on. Feels good. That's Yeah, I know. I get it gets so damn hot in here. I got

so hot anymore.

I'm hot. Yeah, check my

undercarriage. Shitting Oh, yeah. You have to go that table that's

so long.

Because you have to go there. Oh my

gosh. All right, y'all. I got no easy guys. Please subscribe to the podcast. Via Patreon.

Come on support us.

Yes, we're tough talking. Sign up for Patreon. Damn it.

guys can't wait to come to Grand Rapids.

I know man. I'm telling you

if Hey, Kelly come to the picnic next year. Oh, gee,

are you really promoting the picnic for next August already? Cause I

am they better maybe the third year in a row. We

got a stupid COVID xover we got to do like we got to have a get together. Like just maybe go to puppy. No

say we're supposed to have that puppies get together.

He knows I

know not vetoes. I know I kept telling you I kept pushing back the day and then I gave up and you're like Hey, bro, this is supposed to be like last week. I'm like it's COVID like just delete it. Alright guys, have a good night. Yep. Thanks for watching and all that fun stuff. Bye


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information. So real quick again just want to touch base on the picnic. It's still happening. And of course, we're gonna we're gonna livestream it. Yeah, we haven't quite figured out the exact way we're gonna do it, but it'll be perfect. Like, all these are right. Jason keeps saying he's gonna livestream it. We'll figure that one out. I'll figure it out. We'll put yes around the tech. He'll get it done. Oh, yeah, I get it done. No,

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Oh god Marquis a frickin throat.

Now you can hear us derailed everything. Man Nate can hear. Nate, turn off your speakers.

I think Nate's Nate's fine Nate's trying to how the roads Nate

is trying to troll us. How are the roads made?

So um, I think I forgot to pull the

audio from john today, which was pretty epic, but just want to talk about our telegram group. And he does a What is it known as? A couple different? No, it's motivation Monday but what's Wednesday, is he always says it's Wednesday and I prepared a statement.

statement Wednesday. I didn't think he did one today, did he? He's Yeah,

he's been doing the last couple of he stopped for a while. And then the last couple of them.

Yeah, he hasn't been driving either. So you know,

Vaughn Yeah, some places say GR. Rideshare.

Adventures. Let me change the name. So

we'll work on that though. Facebook is nice. You know, it's nice good people at Facebook. Funny downs. You can't be saying that. They might caught us off guard. I might say I do just like the Trump people. They got a cut off. I don't

care. I got YouTube. I got Twitch. I got Periscope.


YouTube, I said YouTube went late. I guys sorry. Maybe I


monitor YouTube. Thanks. Thanks, Alan. Yeah, we know we could hear Nate's trolling us. So anyways, yeah, check out telegram. The link is in the description. We'd love to have you we had like, a little bit of a spam issue. Yeah,

like seven or eight people, john,

it was more than that. Was it? Some lady added like 1015 I was a shit time. Yeah. And so I let him be there for a while to see if they're going to contribute. And then I'm like, yeah, that's spam. So we we we cut them loose.

JOHN says it's I've prepared a statement Wednesday. Well, that's a stupid name. We need a better name. JOHN, fix the name.

Somebody fix the name tonight. Fix the name or you

need to stay. He's never gonna come to your Creek. What? I think it needs to stay is perfectly fine. The name it's a good name, john. I like it. Got my support. I'm voting for that name. JOHN.

You want to create a poll? No. I'm the start of this. Cast just feels like just fucking we have

no storage.

I feel like I'm in another dimension right now. I don't know what's going on. Okay, so good to be back. Well yeah, it's been two weeks. I know you missed me

know at the studio I know he ran last time too but this is where you guys should have heard the feelings home again you

guys should have heard the the pre chatter when Jesper was Whining like a bitch about his microphone.

I was I had to stand up and get in between them.

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That was a rough bill. I think Sam just brought her car there too. So good. Thank you Sam. Yeah, so first thing up in the gig economy news is I know this is kind of old news but this kind of broke the day that I think the day that we podcast but just eat takeaway confirms it's gobbling up grub hub. Oh, no. gobble gobble and a $7.3 billion deal. So it's all stock. And, you know, I think they just couldn't figure it out. You know, though, to work with somebody I

got fired for dropping that.

Well, I'm kind of glad that we didn't buy him. I was a little worried. I mean, it's like, I mean,

I've kind of done grub hub. So I don't know how better or worse

Well, it I feel like grubhub is the best one out there. Now I know COVID has changed things I know Uber Eats is like bawling right now. But, you know, normal time of year without COVID Uber Eats was the bottom of the barrel. I prefer grubhub. And then maybe doordash. That overeats and Postmates is the worst. But this company is out of Europe, so maybe it won't affect I don't know. You always just worry on a takeover. Right. And they kind of came in on the back end and like scooped in and I'd never even heard of them either. Not I've heard of all the companies out. No, I've never heard of them either. Yeah,

I gotta tell you I was a little bit not not happy tonight. We my wife and I ordered While we actually went and picked up the food ourselves, it ended up doing because we were looking at doordash for a local restaurant, and I know this is how they all work. I was it annoyed me. First of all, it said it was free delivery when I first logged in, okay, right. So I was supposed to get free delivery. But then I started comparing the prices on doordash to the prices on their online menu if I just call in the order myself. Yeah, if the item was like between 25 and $1 25 cents and $1 more expensive and this was tackles just like nothing right? Yeah. So the tackle was like a buck more expensive because I ordered it through doordash

Well, they're all like that. No, I understand that's how they they tell the recover their costs, but but I

still ended up having to pay a delivery fee as well. Yeah. And then I haven't added much, much bigger text to text when I picked up my food myself was a buck 25 the text on the door that was $6. I don't know why the text was so much bigger because you have to pay taxes on the fees to

know really

put the order to door that would have been $47. And the order when I picked up the door It was 20 or $32. Including.

Yeah, have you used doordash before?

No, I have I do but it was just it was too big of a difference to me. I got

no it is it that doesn't surprise me it normally what that expense.

What really bothered me is the driver doesn't get that. No mo though. Most of that goes to the company, which I'm okay with the company getting the delivery fee. But why? Yeah, it's

just it just I've never actually even used doordash I've done Uber Eats. I've gotten that a bunch of times. Actually. I

think I've used them all except Postmates. Yeah, okay. But I don't do it very regularly. Every time

I look at doordash it's like the same thing. Yes, percent. It's like even compared against Uber Eats doordash is way more expensive, really.

And so Vaughn saying just call the restaurant and mom that's what I ended up doing. I just called the restaurant super nice lady took my over or over the phone. And the cool thing was is I drove up to the restaurant like two minutes away and then you She came out with the food to me she ran my I didn't have to go to the car. Yeah, man my car and I was gone. Two minutes later.

Yeah, yeah, no it honestly it is it's more expensive if you if you if you look at the prices, it's like Ooh, I'm gonna go pick it up. Yeah, like how lazy have we become?

Again? I was fine paying the six $7 in tip to the driver that would have had no problem

but you pay the let's say you pay $7 to the driver $7 in fees so now you're at 14 You don't even have your food. Yeah, and

now the tip was also another the taxes was now $4 more expensive as well.

Yeah, also paying at least regular menu price when sometimes you can get a coupon or discount if you pick it up anyways.

Yeah. It just it it just didn't feel right. That's, you know?

No, I mean, you pay for convenience. I mean, that's just what you're paying for. But if you look at it, though, if you want to compare it to like pizza delivery, Don't pay those up. You know, you get a pizza delivered and it's from the company and you pay $2 and 50 cents. That's typically

all you got to remember. It's kind of like we're getting used to it now. Because remember pizza places did that too. They didn't used to charge for delivery. Yeah, right now all of them to 250 to 250 plus the tip. And so 10 years from now we're gonna look at Uber Eats and doordash like, oh, whatever. Yeah, it's just gonna be just one of them. Probably. Right. I

think they're gonna be around 10 years from now.

I don't I don't see. I mean, 10 years is a long time if you really think about it, but I don't see automated

in 10 years,

I think automatic maybe close, I think automated in bigger cities, but not not in our size, I think.

Yeah, it's, I mean, we're not a small city, buddy. We're

not here. But we had that interview we had yesterday with Janet that surprised me that was interesting, you know, her market was 75,000 people. And ours is 900,000. I always kind of consider grand as a medium sized market, but it's

a little bit bigger than that our city, Grand Rapids is half the size of our country, right? It's to 2 million people. And

now I think it was 5 million but is half I mean, Michigan's around 10 Yeah, yeah, I just was I couldn't get over when she was talking about, there's three or four drivers out and I'm like,

three or four drivers. Now, if you want to listen to that interview guys, that's coming out to Patreon do is actually livestream to the Patreon today, and it's getting posted to the Patreon ASAP and then it'll come out to everybody else in about a month probably.

If I get to it.

Now you will. All right. Yes, for Europe. I am. There we go. Hang on. So I'm going to be talking about how Lyft changed. Lift change there that can Installation fee. Again, I thought I had my computer's having technical problems. So lift it starting on six 16th the lift cancellation fee is no longer just a set fee is now based on your time and distance to travel to the pickup. There's a $2 minimum fee.

But after that, it's always depending on how long it take you to get there is such bullshit. No Yeah,

yeah, stickers the driver.

Well, not always. I mean, most of the time you will but there's no there's no more than five and drive.

Right? Yeah.

Yeah, we got a lot of stories from Reddit, which is really nice, but I've been five and driving a while even for Uber.

Well, was a three at least three and a half 385 or something. I don't remember what you get anymore. I haven't read was five and guys, I think

five guys. Right?

Yeah, that's what we're saying. Yeah. So I

still remember when I did that. When that The one bad thing about comfort like eight minutes you have to wait. Right? Oh my god, I'm not waiting. Oh,

hang on one second. Hey y'all. Nate is just trolling us. So everyone that says he can hear fine. I'm just gonna delete his comments. I can Amy. Dang it. No one knows the joke. Like you're the only one that knows I'm not gonna delete the carbon. I don't even get it spinning anyways. So yeah, we can hear fine. Everyone can hear fine. He's just trolling us. There's kind of a long standing joke with me. I don't know, I was a little harsh, but how's the roads would have been preferable.

So yeah,

it just, I mean, they gotta they gotta boost their stock number somehow.

I mean, why? Yeah, but not that way.

Yeah, it's too bad. I don't know if this is in Grand Rapids as far as that but I mean, this is on Reddit. So um,

yeah, I don't know. Leo was saying it's changed in Detroit.

To this Yep. Okay, so then it's here to Yeah. I cannot wait to get out and drive.

I will do that this weekend. Can't wait to get out and drive and get screwed by lit I know. I know what a dumb thing to say.

I can't wait to get screwed by left

What an idiot I am

sorry notice it again today again I opened up Dubai, you know, quite often and and again today in the middle of the day search is going 678 dogs. Yes,

because there's no drivers out there.

Thanks, Diego. Thank you. Yeah, there's no drivers out there. That's,

that's just insane. I know.

I mean,

so get out there and drive. Well, I gotta get one of those. One of those barriers first.

Oh, yeah, that one that you showed me is way too expensive for what they offer.

No, it's not 300 What was it

329 for the minivan one so it's probably a little bit but did you

guys see that that one also have a sideshow to the passenger. It has a little extra thing to cover is the area in between The seats that opens up so you can actually reach things back. It's pretty sick. Come with snacks

or anything.

Cuz again, I always say does it come with a backrub swiper Drive.

The thing I thought was cool was it came with a quick on and off mechanism to disconnect to the headrest. And that that right there is key it's gotta be easy to put obedience.

Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. No one's gonna use it

looks professional. It's just like it's not just a piece of saran wrap. Right? It looks professional and looks nice. It does. I mean,

yeah, I think it'd be a bitch to clean but

I just don't know if first of all 329 bucks. A lot of money, tax deductible business a second of all,

you and your business. I don't

I mean, I just don't know that. It's that

worth all the trouble.

Let me let me throw something out to you to bounce on them.

They're sitting behind you. You have a mask on. So the whole point is If they have a mask on,

well, there's no if if I drive they're gonna have to have a mask on if I had to wear a mask, five and drive,

so let's say they do have a mask on Pete's car, cuz he's the boss.

How mark your damn brother so freakin funny he throws me off to die. Um

How is the the the spittle? I always talk about going to get on you. If they're wearing a mask, you're wearing a mask and you're facing forward and they're hitting the back of your head, right? I mean, I don't that's why I always look at that. Is that is that thing really necessary for peace of mind? I guess.

I think I think it's just as much peace of mind. And it's then you're sending the What's it called? It's at least sending out the the message the message that you are. You're taking this serious? Yeah,

right, right. I know. I'm really worried. I've been seeing stuff on the Grand Rapids. group about like, maybe it wasn't great atmosphere but not we're in mass like some people don't care

who's seen a lot of people in Grand Rapids. Oh, yeah.

Was it in Grand Rapids group? I'm in so many damn groups. I don't know what city ICP

way. I mean, I've been to the store a couple times in the last month and each time. Like when COVID first started, we had to wear the masks. If I went to the store I always had it on. Now, everything's mostly opened up. Like I keep forgetting. Yeah, they haven't stopped me though.

They're not gonna stop you. The only place they'll probably stop you is Costco. So they're pretty strict without a menards. And, yeah, I've been wearing mine as much as I can. I actually got a Let's call the neck Gator.

And other has one of those. Yeah,

and it's really comfortable and it just kind of sits underneath there and I just kind of, like we talked about with Gabe. And I just kind of tuck my beard in and it just it's so comfortable and it just sits right perfect. And then I just pull it down when I'm done. And

just get a rubber band and like Pull the beard off and just kind of rubber band

that's my that's my worry about driving as well is I just I, whenever I where I'm at when I'm asked my glasses fogged up like crazy and I can't see it

well that's why I need to wear the the Gator thing is not it. There's really no gap. There's elastic that goes right there and so and it's in Yeah, it's it's super comfortable. I think I paid like 10 I could wear one of those. Yeah, it's super comfortable. Yep. But um, yeah, I went to my chiropractor and we'll get on moving here, but he had it and 95 on. And apparently which my wife told me I didn't know that 95 works both ways. So ours is to protect you. Like if I'm wearing a mask if I have it to protect you and 95 goes both ways. Like it protects you and the other person's. That's why everyone wanted him so bad. Yeah, they were so expensive. But uh, Allen says you can't get any kind of seal with that facial hair Jason. Yeah, no kidding. Got the next article and

Alright, so this one was from Reddit as well. And it's a picture of a driver. I might have.

Oh yeah, I had this.

And for those of you who can't see it says a face covering required it's got a little graphic of a of a head wearing a face mask. In it says I got them to avoid fights Lyft has never sent me any peepee I'm 67 years old Five Star Driver I drive because I cannot find a real job. I am in high risk Health Group just put on car 611 2020 damn things were 45 for $4 including tax and shipping.

Yeah, I mean, it just, you know, talks about the mass thing and everything but

$45 before that, yeah, that seems a little pricey.

JOHN, that was for the masks though. Or for the stickers.

That's a good point. I never thought about that. One of the first comments is Like, I'm sure I'm telling, not telling you anything, if you ever heard her try, but casca will pay $20 an hour you don't necessarily need to do any hard labor. That's some bullshit. They work your ass are hard, and then you kind of work your way up to the cashier job but the guy 67 and I don't think he needs to be working at Costco.

I mean, and why is he working at all? I mean, it's high

risk to that was kind of like I mean, why

is he working at all because some people didn't save their money for them. I guess they have to work but I don't think that sign will would mean to me it's a waste of money if you paid that much money for the signs I mean, it's really not gonna do anything

to that guy paid $329 for the divider, though.

It's a it's a nice

I will pay to be on

thought took him about a half a second sticker though. It's a nice,

you're right. Reminder or like, Hey, I'm taking this

shit. Seriously. Exactly. Yeah. And hey, see the sticker. It's It's real. If you're not gonna do it you can get out of the car right? It's just

Yeah, what I need to get is a sticker that says no damn baby's not in a car seat

if that case is a no minors no open container like the whole window is great covered.

I saw a sticker particularly well I saw people using it now because right now they don't lift on what you're sitting in the in the passenger seat. Yeah. So I saw somebody put up put the sticker on the window, saying only use the backseat. Okay, so that was nice.

You know, there was something about a lady putting a skeleton in the front seat. I saw I don't know why we don't have this on this podcast. I swear I share that in the group. But when I was putting the plan together, I never saw somebody

as he had a skill scan of them sitting in the front. Yeah,

I mean, I guess that eliminates unless you want to sit on the skeletons lap. That was funny. Alright, so next up is a video on a racist Lyft passenger. It's a little bit long. I did try them. Some of its hopefully shortened down, but it's a good one to actually I mean, it's gonna be cringe worthy. When you watch it was better.

Said, Pete. I bet when you started driving your first passenger is going to be a no car seat.

You just quit literally Can you

please go live? My done. That's it. I'm out of here out of here. It's great. All right, let's watch this video and kind of discuss.

Hope this doesn't kick me out.

That's a talk show.

Hi, sir. What's my name, Richard.

Sure. Yep.

Yes, sir. Thank you No problem by any chance that you have a mask. No I don't. Do you mind to put your shirt on top right here so I'd be really appreciative

yes I do. Because I have a family that is that is a take of that.

Well, it's not it's not the government it's the people that I'm sorry I've never

heard of someone ask me

Well, it's because we're really close right in the car.

I don't know where you're going. Oh, he's taking me to the freeway. You want to think that way or do you want to drive without a mass? That's fine. You want to get me home quick your

returns fine.

I don't know.

You know what?

You can get out right now? Yes. No, I've been I've got a contract with you. I've been a writer. I've got a contract with you have a write the contract right now. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Yes, yes. Yes. Do you think it? Nope. The contract is not. Yes. I told you I didn't like your standards. I'm the title the free speech eighth. Yes. You cannot cancel the contract for that. Yes, I do. know it's my car and you can get on right. Nope, that's not your car. It's lift. It's

represent lift London to lift

your weight classes. Mm hmm.

Fucking crush if you're on video. I'm not gonna do that. I'm an idiot. Yeah, your video right? No, no, maybe it just took me home. No. I'll get And then we'll keep

backpedaling now.

Nobody will cancel this ride and I want you to cancel the ride. pay five bucks. you cancel there

I don't see this

show up on my phone. No No Get out. Okay, I don't know. I don't know much to you.

I finished it three already. Get on my car.

Your car

it doesn't show it canceled here. No Have you been canceled? I finished at three under three miles four miles that way you finish the trip? I did. Yes, I did. How can you say you finish the trip and I live four miles that way. Because look right here. I already ended up the trip. And now Please get out or I'm gonna have to call the police.

How can you say you finish the trip?

I think the trip you didn't cancel the trip. I did. No, I didn't cancel. I finished the trip. Okay girls have to call it and they complain about it. Okay, that's wrong. Oh, hey, I have video. You got video? Yes, you got video? Yes. You got video? Yeah, you got video

piece of shit I know you think model plus model was mortals didn't even

know I don't know because I speak English but yeah, you think you're speaking or

I'm from here

yes I am. You're fucking you're

American motherfucker I fought every time I'm on American TV time to the goddamn war I'm an American to be you don't speak English yes I do. How can you just want to rip me off for my trip that's all I want to know I don't want to repeat From the truth you can't sue me for for it when you only gave me 100 100 hundred yards of ride. Why would you do that? And how would that be? fair to be fair? I was that concerned to me? Sure.

Is that considered fair in your country?

Yes, because this is my arm.

Yeah, I got video and I'm gonna pretend

I don't know who you are. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

Wow, I know that was a long one. But I feel like there was like a range of emotions from that guy like he was respectful and then he was a dick.

I want to hear what would you have done? Because I know. I mean, I would have not been able to be so so patient as he was.

I was getting anxious watching that, like I wanted to be like, get out of my car right now.

You would have gotten out of the guy you would have ripped him out.

Cuz he's bigger than me he would have, he would have beat my ass.

You know, you could have taken him he wasn't

he was. Well, he had to put he was probably gas out in 10 seconds. But

yeah, I mean, Vaughn said, don't engage.

And I didn't I don't think the driver engagement driver did really well.

He did exactly what he handled the situation Great.

Now, one thing I would have done it just canceled the ride because you asked yourself on a one star because he just ended what he drove and like, Is it really worth the pennies or a couple of bucks like that's the only thing that I would have done different is just cancel the ride like you want it and maybe you would have got out but no, I think the driver did not engage at all he responded to what he was being taught to and he tried to be as calm as possible.

And what started it was not the driver's fault. This was started was lifts, you know, notorious for taking me to the highway. I mean, yeah,

yeah, I knew as soon He's like, Hey, man, you're supposed to laugh. I'm like, Ooh, this is where it turned down so fast. And the thing is to the guy did say like, okay, I mean I can go the other way. It's fine. Like he rolled with it. You could tell who this guy is not a rookie driver. He's like, Alright, that's cool. I'm sorry. It was taking me the highway. Oh, I was good. food.

I can hear right now. Don't

touch the fucking radio.

Ah, sorry, I didn't say that.

That's all right. Yeah, you said the F word. And then

I was just trying to you though. These are words coming out of your mouth. Not true.

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boom. Okay. This one's mine again, g Antonio.

Sorry, what's up? It's an Antonio. Oh

my my chats a little behind yours must be because I the lat I didn't see that.

Well, no, it was just his name on the graphic is Antonio.

Oh, my bad.

Oh, you threw me off. Yes. Okay, here we go. So this is doordash was the so the person posting it on Facebook looks like it's the customer says the driver says, Hey, Antonio, this is your Dasher, one of your nuggets fell out of the bag as I hit a sharp turn. I didn't think he would want it. So I ate it be there shortly. Response just bring me my food before I get angry, sir. Now, we all know we think this is fake because of the iPhone thing. This is an iPhone. So that's a little weird. But it's still funny. Why is it weird? Because I don't know if it's real or not. So when you call when you do texting through like doordash or grubhub, it's all through SMS, which is Android platform. And this is an iPhone screen because of the whole iMessage

Yeah, and it only works with other Apple iPhones. I'd like to think that

that kind of thing wouldn't happen and yet every week we Have a video of some guy eating somebody else's food right? Or you know, something like that. This

is the funny part of this though this this problem, even if it is fake it I could see this happening. Yeah, hundred percent.

You should know the DSM S is not a manual platform. It's like all the other phones like Well, sir, your burger

touched my seat. So I went in ate it for you. Yeah, I think you'd want it.

Yeah, sorry. The there's there's apple and everybody else right? Yeah, exactly the best and everybody else. Some would say that.

Well, I appreciate you thinking about it. That manner maybe you think you don't care about it, but you know,

apples better.

Ah, that's AMD.

You're gonna go?

Yeah, I got to talk about Massachusetts leaders.

I had all the fun stories tonight. I don't know what happened. So Massachusetts leaders increased driver earnings when the commission Do you need it most? It's more like a statement. They want you to do it right. Not not.

Yeah, they're not not a question. So

because the problem is and Massachusetts during the whole COVID crisis COVID COVID mo emergency Massachusetts is one of two states in the country that does not allow search prices at all. And of course the drivers here does not like that at all. This is a organization it's it's it's essentially as its What is it? so it's somebody you know, Yeah, exactly. They're, they're a they're getting getting signatures trying to get the Massachusetts leaders to listen to open up for it. So that D will allow that there the system will allow for right for surge pricing doing that and, and so I would be I mean, I obviously like surge pricing. I also like that there's a cap on surge pricing in some of those areas, but I don't think that they should completely get rid of them by any means.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the reason I added this as as just a talking point about you know, the government involvement in private business because that's kind of what it is. And when I when I see things happen like that shooting in Seattle, this is way before all this disaster that's going on now. You know, and they caught it and they're like, okay, we'll stop it, which is legit, like I'm fine with that.

But the thing about the difference here is Uber stopped it and found out themselves and paid back themselves. Yeah, they didn't need the government to tell them to do it. Right.

And this this whole state of emergency is a lot like this has been like three months. So these drivers are supposed to drive without any search for three months. I mean, I would be mad about that. To now, I shouldn't say this doesn't do anything, but it's just just get out there. To me, I look at it, like, just get out there and hustle. Like, there's no surge, there's nothing you can do about it. So, move on, but,

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so yeah, we got yes sir and Pete

Yes, yes, yes, sir. It looks like he's a deer in headlights. Did I say? Yes. Yes. Yes. burpee

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that. Yes, I missed it in the chat. I don't know if he talked about

so apparently he if you go bubble below a 4.80 they kick you. He got deactivated from from eats. So isn't that weird? First of all, how did he get that low of a rating? Like what did you do? Did you? You know, later on, there's a video of a guy with did that did some with ice cream. Did you do that? Did you get reported?

You got to figure that? Uber probably uses situations like this to call the herd? I think so. Oh, yeah. I mean, they probably have so many drivers right now because Oh, yeah. Nobody wants to take take rides. It's true. Right. So they got so many people on eats?

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

sneeze drunk. Oh,

yeah. I was just shocked when he told me that. I'm like, Man, you're like the nicest guy around like, how did you get deactivated from Uber Eats?

Maybe I don't know. Who knows. Yes. been taken off the phone. Maybe trimming off the top

guy in India. I was scraping off the spaghetti. nasty, nasty mess. I will not be driving this weekend. I'll be out of town. But soon enough. I'll be back out there and I'm looking forward to it. Need to save for a bathroom remodel. So I need to get out there.

That shadow

There you go. So you're just gonna be delivering titone

No, I'm gonna make the chatter. Oh, man deliver the food. Oh, chatter is another term for money. Welcome to America.

I was trying to make a play on Hey,

before we get going, we should go around the room and say Who are you gonna vote for? Yes.

I can vote. Yeah, that's not my fault. Hey,

I want to ask anyone else, no matter what I did not my fault.

All right. So we have a telegram channel where you can join and talk shit or hang out with other rideshare drivers. And if you go to the description in the Facebook or YouTube or whatever, you can click on the link and go from there. What are you laughing at?

Sam called you a jackass. Oh, man.

Who said what's up Dad? Someone said what's up Dad? Is that your daughter?

I don't even see that as my son.

Oh, your son. Like I just swore he's a guitar player. Does she know that this is you know, we try not to say the F word but it does slip out sometimes. Also, if you are interested, even though some guy gave me some hate on Twitter, you can get a activist tablet that you can put in the back of your car and earn an extra hundred dollars a month. $100 $100 I know it's not a ton. But is that here now? I don't think so. Not in Grand Rapids. But the shows are nationally a true internationally international news. We have an international people. That's right. Janet still has not received the merge. It has been one month that I sent it to New Zealand.

But yeah, you got it got a camera and four days.

Well, that's Amazon. We're relying on the post office this time. Sure. But anyways, if you click on the link you and it's available in your area, you get a free tablet and yeah, the hate I got on Twitter is like why are you promoting this in a pandemic? I'm like, Alright, bro. Take a deep breath.

All right.

Oh, that's my new that's my new tone. Everyone stop that.

Yeah, somebody's phone going out. Who's online?

Yeah. So I was hoping I would get y'all. That's the following one then left is the like one. I was a little creative. A little bored. Anyways, newborn?


I gotta go take that ride. Hang on with it.

Honestly, I stopped and thought someone had their phone on it. Did a ride. I was like, Oh, wait, that's right. I changed

the shit man that goes who's on Hoover.

I know. I know. That was super funny.

I was awesome. Awesome. Jason like it.

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said she just legit checked her phone

we got both of them

I love it That's so funny. I can't believe I surprise myself I totally forgot about that.

I mean the second one I couldn't recognize you know It's been too long

yeah cuz he got kicked off the platform. Wow. All right.

So our first article up for today is a

it's hot in here.

It is hot in here it does get we have four people in here the door closed. Are you embarrassed to be a rideshare driver? So this found this on Reddit. It's not okay now when I read these y'all I am I suck at reading but this is I'm reading verbatim so whatever verbatim verbatim it's not and never has been a matter of making money. I can gross two k a week here. I just feel like rideshare drivers are looked down on and it's something I have a hard time dealing with in my mind. funniest part of it all is everyone. Everyone else? always super cool. All right. Well, that was bad English. I have a 5.0 rating on lift and for everyone does. Or 4.90 rating on Uber. I've done a total of around 6600 rides as drive a 2019 Toyota Camry I get a lot of compliments on the car, but I would be embarrassed to pick someone up that I know or to tell people that drive for Uber or Uber and lift if I really busted my ass I could gross three k per week housebreaking camp. I also enjoy doing it for the most part.

Where's this guy from someone move there and right three grand a week doing right?

Why not anymore? Because COVID Yeah, true.

Well, so he brings up a good point. Do you? Do you ever feel like you didn't feel like that now? Like, this isn't my real job? Well, it was for you for a while? Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. But did you ever feel like no,

no, I would share I mean, talk about it openly and no big deal.

But what if somebody said to you, is this your full time job? Or?

Well, I would say that my part time job. But I mean, there's many weeks or I mean, up to I think there was many weeks that I would be bringing home a lot more money than my people who went to college. Oh, for sure. So

yeah, I mean, I don't know. I felt it a little bit. Like I didn't. I don't know. I have a problem with like, even the kind of work I do. I kind of I really love.

There's nothing wrong with mow lawns. Hey,

do me Me, me, me. Got him.

So it's an inside joke. Everyone says I mow lawns. I don't mow lawns. I'm a certified pesticide applicator.

And he's a little bit you know, upset about it? Well,

the people that mow lawns No offense, anyone listening, we are above you. I'm just I'm, I'm licensed. Okay. by the state of Michigan and you

have to take continued it every year.

Yeah, I've say classes and all that. But anyways, um, I do kind of feel like, I know, like, lawncare is kind of like, you know what I mean? Like, I probably could have done more, but I don't know. That's, I think, for me to be my therapist to talk about.

There you go. For me, the big difference was always on why I never really worried about it. It was the number one focus of dying wasn't for the money. I mean, I liked the money. Yeah, don't take it wrong. But I like the social and the social aspect and getting out there and helping people and that was my that was the reason why I did it. That's why I don't do food delivery. Because Yeah, I think for me,

you don't get it, especially with COVID. You don't get really any social interaction other than like the staff at the store. And they're usually pissed at you. When you know they don't want to deal with other people waiting at the door when they say contactless to delivery.

Yeah, like me. I always do that by accident. Yeah. I don't mean to, but like my dogs bark a lot. When somebody comes to the house. Yeah, I just stand by the door. I try to time it for walking away about that one guy with a pizza guy. Didn't you have the pizza guy that put it in a pile of shit in the front lawn? Yeah, I know. You may have talked about it. But say yeah, I ordered Uber Eats actually that time. And I like I have two stairs that go into my porch. And so I say leave it on the stairs. And so I walk out and the guy put it in, like, on the sidewalk, halfway into my lawn where my dogs, you know, took a to z took a to z and I'm like, and it was literally like, this distance away from a pile that I hadn't cleaned up that bro really

like Yeah, well, even if the customer said leave at that spot. I wouldn't do it because

one guy Leave Leave my stuff on my garbage bin.

Okay, like,

just put it that steps. I mean, there's space if there's

space for it, right? I mean, that's crazy. Janet in the chat says she's proud. she's proud of what she Doesn't that you know, that's fine. I just, I think I think people

Janna get that you got to ride

does it goes away? Does it sound the same in New Zealand? That's what I want to know. I'm sure. Not kidding. Oh,

I thought you were serious. Alright, moving on. Yes, sir. This is kind of a funny one. I haven't.

Damn, it's busy tonight.

So I'm gonna, I'm gonna preface this by you got mail? You've Got Mail. See? See what I did that you did? So you're gonna play the video? I didn't know if you well can. So

it's good to explain it for the people that aren't watching. This is a

this is an Uber driver and he has a special story. And all the people driving with him kind of recognizes the voice.

You've Got Mail, these Uber pass. Just orange shock. No. Why? Because their driver is Elwood Edwards, the guy behind that famous greeting from the early days of the internet. You've Got Mail. So how did you end up driving for Uber? everywhere I go. People say you get residuals. You make a lot of money from it, you know?

And the question is always answered with no.

Elon was paid just $200 for that famous recording. His wife was working for AOL at the time and get this. He did it as a favor. I recorded. Welcome. You've Got Mail miles done goodbye. On a cassette deck in my living room. Now, Elwood makes extra income driving for Uber in Cleveland, and his passengers are blown away to learn about their drivers history. Welcome. You've Got Mail? No,

this encounter went viral on YouTube.

You've Got Mail.

At that point, I would pull out my pistol and shoot my

so fun fact, did you know that when AOL was actually really big, at one point, they used up all the capacity of making CDs in America. All of it really doesn't surprise me. I had they had I bought a thing. Yep. You got us free AOL CD. I know they were making so many. They took up the entire production capacity of CD ROMs at that time for like, three months.

That's crazy. Those damn CDs, but you are so excited because you got 500 hours and then you if you think about it now 500 if you had 500 hours of internet, it would be so much but then it seemed like a lot. But then when it took 45 minutes to dial in, you're like, Alright, just wasted an hour just to get online and download that one picture.

No, I didn't. No, no.

I wonder where that was?

Cindy Crawford. Farrah Fawcett. Who's that?

All right about moving

on beat. Alright, so this next article is about a lady from NYC. And she disinfects her car after every ride since the pandemic started. And she's a basically she's an immigrant to the United States. It's been in there, New York since 1993. He lives in Queens. And she's a full time Uber driver, excuse me for nearly four years. And she drives mostly from 5pm to 2am. But the big thing is, she washes it in and out after every single ride. That's crazy. She said the article talks about she washes it you know, she starts the day by going to carwash. Mm hmm. Which I think most of the serious drivers out there. Do.

That's my son's gamer profile.

I said it looks like

what did it do? It was xx Lord. I don't know what he did. Like. I don't know. That's. We never had that one before. All these

noises so distracted. Oh, that wasn't that was in YouTube. That was YouTube. Okay. Oh,

yeah. But she uses Clorox wipes and sanitizer. And I just gotta imagine that like

Sam's doing this.

So just everyone that listens to the podcast, I actually go in there and mute all those sounds. So it's not so just for the live stream. So I'm sorry be been interrupted twice. That's all right.

But yeah, I mean, most of the serious drivers do that. Anyways, you start your day with cleaning your car. Yeah. Or you end up like cleaning out whatever. Yep. But she was like wiping everything down sanitizing after every single writer.

Do you think she really is doing that?

I don't know.

I mean,

doesn't ever ask you to do that after each one. Because that the checklist when you go in like

isn't it also talks about she picked up somebody Who was probably positive and kept on working?

Oh, well, that's a problem.

What do you mean? Do you really mean? You hate to say it right? But they could just be saying that. You don't know whether they actually are true. Was it enough? I mean, somebody will do it just for the for the publicity, right for for saying, say something.

But can't imagine that wiping down your car that much with?

Well, here's the thing. How do you do it with? Well, it looks like she does have cloth seats. So she wipes the cloth seats down with Clorox wipes. Yeah, so I was wondering, I would think you would just spray it. But by anyways, she seems like a better person than all of us. Alright, right up next, Uber releases a new mask policy. So this is on top of the original one basically their hat, they're still having trouble getting passengers to wear a mask. And if a driver reports to Uber that a rider was an American marrying a mask wearing a mask, the rider will be required to take a selfie with their face covered before they able to take another trip. But I thought they already had to take a selfie or do they just have to check a box that says that they are wearing a mask? I think

this is this is for the rider. So the rider big difference. So yeah,

I thought that was already in place. Oh, no, I don't think so. No, thanks. Okay. Apparently since in in implementing the policy in May, more than 1200 50 riders had had their access to the rap removed after multiple reports. 99.5% of our trips have actually had no complaints. So I actually appreciate what Hoover's doing. I'm actually quite impressed. I wish they put that much effort into car car seats. I mean, I think car seats is such an individual thing. It's not a pandemic, right. So I don't think they'll do that.

In the summertime when you're

That's true. We have to cancel all the rides. They won't do them. But so that's good to hear that they're making them take a selfie. Although you can get away with I've tried every time to Yeah, I tried to put my hand up. But my shirt up. It's never flown. I've always had to have a mask on. Really? I don't know why I can't beat the system. Everyone talks about them doing it. But I don't know. Maybe I've been blacklisted or something. Oh, no, he's recognition, right? Something like that. If I'm wearing my hat too low, it'll flag it to it'll say say put your whole face on, put your old face on. So I put my hand up like that. And so then it can see why it wasn't, wasn't it john that sent us a video one time imagine doing it like 10 times or something? Because it wouldn't recognize Yeah, something like that. All right. Yes, sir. I always picked a really awkward ones for you. This next one's yours.

Of course it is. Is Uber. know if Uber is your main girl? Which app is just side check.


Not, but that's what I said. The first one says lift That's true.

No, it's actually it brings up a good conversation about not putting all your eggs in one basket now are married. You should not have a side chick that is just going to cause lots of trouble. Don't do it. Not the grass is never greener on the other side. Not the same. But you haven't tried with the lady don't get another lady.

So why? Why do we keep talking about grass? You always bring up grass.

I know because I love it.

Sometimes mowed the grass mow my own. So did you want me to finish reading this? Do we

really need to read it? This is more summing up the conversation. The people that are listening, What are you all doing?

Right? How many airside check baskets? Do you guys have a Yeah,

yes. Well, the question is, is Uber really anybody's maid or all right now? No,

Sam said she actually drove passengers this week. I'm like, lucky she had like, she had a really good run that she teased me with or something. I don't know. It's like $123 for one run. I was like

Sam has a whole harem of side chicks.

Well, so Sam does Uber Lyft and shipped and instacart instacart the card and although

she said instacart and shipped

it also flex

shipped today ship was head ship had one order at I think it was 11 o'clock in the morning when I was talking to her at one order available. Really? area. Yep.

The weekends is where it's at. I mean, just like Uber and everything. And Lyft you know, Oh, she does. doordash

she did doordash this


Chad says he's been averaging about 700 a week. That's great chat. I know. I'm assuming that's just on rideshare but you always got to have a sidepiece the saying there's lots of them out there.

Yes. And the newest is of course oil Uber that you got to sign up for right now.

nice segue. That was pretty good. His ad was coming up. I'm just gonna have him do his own ad. Oh, no, no, no.

Bad All right.

So Pete All right. This is this is interesting. This might be a little deep for me. I'm just saying a lot of math, a lot of math. Sam, we need you.

Would you pay 1000 a month to receive 100% of what passengers pay?

So think about that. you'd pay in Uber 1000. But you get you keep every penny. Right passers by.

Now last year, I think my fees to Uber, there was pre COVID. Of course, my fees tuba was about nine grand over the course of the year.

That's so much, even with Oh, sure. You do it part

time. That was only part time. Yeah,

that's nuts.

Yeah. A lot more than that.

Yours was meant a lot more than that. Not more than

what? Yeah, of course it was. Yeah.

So one of the comments says so far this month, I paid over 240 upfront for 300 trip offers where I get to keep 100% of the fare. But he's in California, right? I don't know. The guy does math here. I don't know if you want to break it down. I'm gonna screw it up. But so

he said, I've been driving for nearly three years in those three years. 35 months to be precise. Uber has made 37,000 off of the rides I've given that's not 16,000 in booking fees and 20,000 in service fees. 37,000 divided by 35 is thousand 64 a month. So he would have made an extra 2200 with this hypothetical situ situation over the 35

months. Exactly. That's the thing, right? Age 2200 over over mods. It's not and then is that really worth the risk? Because there is more risk, and which is what the second part of his he talks about the risk because he lives in a college town, right? Where it slows down.

Yeah, you're paying $1,000 a month and like barely getting rides. I wouldn't pay 1000. But I'd pay half that.

Well, but then yeah, but they wouldn't offer it for that half. No, not gonna be enough. Right. Well, we talked a little bit about the California service. A couple weeks, a couple shows ago, where we talked about the goodbye 100 100 rides or whatever. But yeah, but it was a counter. Right? And what what you and I were talking about today, if you did kind of ride, it's still counted.

Yes. It's still counted as one of your rides. Yeah, it's, it's wasn't really worth it. Because it basically, it's just Ubers way of manipulating you to take every ride, right? And that's like, well, with Lyft, you got to see or even with Uber for a while, if you maintain, what is it 90% or 89. You get to see all that they're forcing you to diamond status, right? Whatever, you ain't diamond anymore.

Are you really? Oh, yeah.

What do you get it like you your diamond, and then you get the next three months as diamond. And then if you don't hit the points by the end of that three months, then they boot you down to blue?

Yep. Your blue bitch. Sam said she would if she was still driving full time. She would.

For $1,000 a month. She said she just wouldn't work in the summer.

Hmm. Well, that makes sense. Yes.

Ricardo says main chick is that Uber? Uber, the one I love doordash is the side chick is always there for me.

That's hilarious. So all right. You ready for your ad? Alright, let's try it. There you go. You're up. Alright. Welcome to oil Uber. The only thing I can really say right now is I'm gonna give out a 10% discount if you use the code, get her done.

Wow, get it done.

So for a customer if you go to oil and use the code get her done, you get 10% off your oil change and you go in Word, they are looking to expand and Grand Rapids. So oil Luber is a on demand oil change company, they will come to you and change oil. And it's also a good way to earn extra money as a technician, right? If you want if you're able to change oil, you can make money on the side

that can be one of your side checks. And remember, if they're not currently in your market, go to their anyway, sign up and there will be determining how fast they'll be in your market.

Right? Like Yeah, so just go to oil they need tax they need customers help trying to grow their brand, and we appreciate them, you know, partnering with us and have some fun. So

being here. Thank you so much.

Yeah, 10% off guittard. So let's get away. Whoa, we better specify how to say that.

It's g e t e r g or get it up here.

Gi TT er d o n e one word all lowercase. Okay, you get it done. Who's that layer? The cable guy.

get her done. So, yeah, go to oil for more information to sign up for being a technician or to get your oil change. Yep. I mean, the prices are comparable to go into valvoline so why not get it done on your time? Not

the house in your terms? Yeah, right. It's gonna open your hood. Right That's

about it. Yep. We did an interview with Brian or That will be posted sometime next week that talks a lot about I can't wait. Right. Alright, let's get back into it. Oh, Dustin's on. Hey Dustin. Dustin firm.

Oh, that's this Facebook group. Dustin is driving there it is.

Sorry. Dustin is driving. Alright. I want one thing I just saw Larry's on. Larry. Are you in?

Where was it?

I don't know. But you say the Indiana Yeah,

Larry. Are you in Indiana?

If he's in Indiana, that his ass better drive up to Michigan because you're pretty close.

Right? Well, depending on where it is today. So he he's in the middle packs just to tell waiting to take them to eat.

So they are in the middle of a ride.

So we'll see.

Well, Sam says he's and I got so excited. I was like, damn it, man.

Sorry, Larry.

Happy Hump Day, Dustin.

We hear we need to get that drop. Because we podcast every Wednesday. All right. Yes, we're Tick Tock. Yeah, what this one is

Oh, this is funny talk. That is the craziest thing.

Explain it or before?

No, it's a video. It's a video you just gonna play. So basically, this is COVID right. And that's all I need to say. All right. We didn't

pack my bag. I'm gonna keep me on my laptop. You and your bag in the back. Like the backseat. No, no in the bed. You want me to ride the bed of the bed of the truck? Are you fucking serious? Do you want me to sit in the truck? No.

All right.

So it gets in the back.

He puts his seatbelt on.

Obviously that's not real. But it's it's kind of funny earlier if you didn't you couldn't hear the guy had his window rolled up. And then he rolled it down Put his mask on and said in the back

in the Bad.

Bad. Bad. Yeah. Tick Tock is coming through strong for us.

Like Tic Tac Why? Cuz they waste too much time. So that's

the best part. Would you rather be on Facebook and here never bitched about the baits? Or would you ever see funny stuff on Tick Tock? I don't do any of them. Yeah, that's true. I love Tick Tock so all right, Peter. We're talking about tipping.

Dear passengers, this is a this is a note. Somebody wrote we're flying through this by the way. Yeah. I never solicit tips. However, if you voluntarily, voluntarily tell me you're going to tip me and never follow through. Especially if I went above and beyond to accommodate you. Please realize how much of an irredeemable piece of shit move this is. This has happened to me dozens of times in my experience of giving over 5000 rides. I found less than one in 10 people tip anything at all. And of those it's usually about $3 average if I compare this figure to what passengers pay for the ride, which bear in mind is very different is very different figure than when I'm actually being paid per ride. We're talking about a 1% tip rate for jobs provides a much more personalized experience than food delivery of that promise a tip that they don't hand me in cash I found less than one in four actually do

yeah, we can skip the last part hit me

in the Yeah, well

that's we go round and round in the discussion about this is why is it I deliver your food right? And you tip me every time but I deliver your human body gosh dang it I'm gonna have to keep them in there because people are gonna hear the reaction. But why is it I deliver your your blood your body everything safe lately? You don't tip Do you think it's because how Uber started out back in the day from the get go? I don't

think so. No, man, that's been so long ago.

I mean, they don't promote it anymore that you don't have to tip but I don't know it just I don't understand that it's so frustrating to not get a tip when you provide great service even if you don't provide great service or or adequate service. But did you die like that?

I still I still think that people are not used to having to tip for rideshare it's just I

think that's it I I kind of disagree with you a little bit. I think it's ingrained it's just been passed around a ruin that for us. Well, I kind of look at it as and bring it back to the green industry is like trugreen is just a terrible company. I shouldn't slander on it. No, you should not. That was right. Not a good idea. Whatever.

We're gonna be the big, the big. The terrible company.

We have so much money.

So basically, you know the joke is that they're they're not a very good Good company and everyone knows that it just gets around even though people still sign up for I don't know, maybe that was a bad example. But it's just one of those things that's ingrained in people like tipping in a restaurant or tipping for food, like, you know, when the food delivery started the everyone tips like it was no big deal, but I don't know, I think but I'm agree with Jasper.

So Dustin on YouTube is saying it's because people are cheap. They care more about food than safety. And it's absolutely tracked after correct.

I mean, that is weird, though. Oh, yeah. I just I don't know if it's cheapness or just the mentality again, have like we've always tipped for food. That's just how it is up. You tip the pizza delivery guy. And right. You're so new. I don't know. I tip every time So Sam says she got zero tips last Friday.

We're driving people. Yeah, she

was Yeah. That's terrible.

It's just so frustrating when you provide it especially when you go above and beyond like airport. I get out I put your bag in. Right. You know, I make sure not to

throw it is to get out. I've seen drivers like

yeah, I can't pop mine. I actually physically have to get out and do it. But I would anyways even so because your bag? No. I don't know. It's just frustrating. Just tip your drivers, y'all. I mean, seriously. Doesn't says I tip the guys that filled my gas takes us I can't put my own gas in New Jersey. What the hell, they're still states that you can't pump your own gas.


it I just realized this, like just a couple months ago, and I had no idea. You know, crazy. All the states. Not that I've traveled on a lot. But all the states have all been like right here in the Midwest. Yeah, I think I went down to Florida, but none of them over on this side are like that. That's so strange. So I was like, what you're not allowed to pump your own gas or so I've heard.

Yeah. So is the gas more expensive? I mean, you would think they'd have to they have to charge the service somehow, right? Oh, Sam says I wish we couldn't hear that because you don't like to sweat Sam. And if you have to get out and sweat like he you're like two peas in a

day. I'm not even judging her because I don't like to sweat either. So

just Dustin says the only state has ever been in where you couldn't is crazy. So

one says they don't tip because both packs and driver here in Canada hardly get paired again. Well, that shouldn't matter if you get repaired again. I mean, you should tip if the service was good. You should tip it shouldn't matter if you re up again. I think

the i think i think the whole and this is a whole different conversation. But I think the the whole rideshare industry kind of needs to relook at what they charge. And well, the tipping

they are looking at look at California, right? I mean, that's all gonna change. It's constant. One of the features that I would love that oil Uber comm has is you can pick your favorite driver or your tech and you can choose them each time. I want that for Uber and Lyft. If I'm a badass driving

Uber used to have that right?

No, I don't think so. He was even asked to talk about it.

Yeah, but it never happened. Yeah, I mean, I understand why because they want it was actually one of the features that ready. She ready. What was it called baby daddy fair, Daddy fair had, yeah, you could pick your driver. But all

the new apps like zoom and Detroit, they all have that feature. Because I think that's the number one feature requested by drivers is having you know someone that you can fav I think

the big problem and I think one of the reasons why Uber and Lyft maybe don't want to do it is one of the reasoning that is so effective is the speed of which you can get your ride.

Yeah, they want butts in the seat. Exactly. They don't care about your favorite driver. Well, because

if you if you have to pick your favorite driver, it could be half an hour, 45 minutes before you have time to get to you.

Well, I would I would never do that. I would be like, Hey, is he online? No. Okay, I'm not waiting. 45 minutes, right? Normal people I think would just feel openly

he might be online but have three rides picked, you know, already queued up because three other people already picked them.

Well, they have the technology to do it

as soon as they do. But yeah,

yeah, I wonder how zoom is gonna do yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard much chatter about it. Zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom zoom. Yep. Sam said I think ship can choose favorite shoppers. I don't think you can. I didn't think so either. So you'll what what happens was shipped is you'll get paired up with them in behind the scenes. So when that person orders and you're been a good like a shopper for them, you get it offered. If you're on the schedule, you'll get the offer first. That's why when I started doing shift it was great early on, but then after I got over my honeymoon period, they call it I wasn't getting any orders during the day because I wasn't a quote unquote favorite shopper behind the scenes. Yep. So it's kind of a I like that they reward them but it's also like I only could do

cuz you weren't good enough Manning running around Meyer like the mother shopper.

Putting a frickin gift card in your

Like a thank you card. I'm like, I'm like I go back to it. Did you die? No. You're okay. That's it. Me.

Speaking of

I know, you may not touch the radio.

No, I don't have

I do not have an ox cord. You cannot vape in my car. No. So speaking of a new rideshare dumpling, which is a kind of what we talked about that a while back, we tried doubling. Yeah, doubling is a grocery app. Yep. And it's kind of like independent people using the app instead of shipped or instacart. So they are actually starting, but the shoppers has to pay to use it. Correct? Yeah, it's like, what's an example of it? I mean, one is not that one. You always bag on the rideshare. When you try Apex? Apex? Yeah. Um, yeah, kind of, yeah, you pay the service, you pay a fee. And then you connect you with people. Yeah. So it works. It's nice, but they are long, they're launching a rideshare. Well ride hail application. Basically, it's kind of the same thing, what they do with groceries, you basically do everything. So you get the ride. Basically, they charge a 3% credit card charge and drivers keep the remaining 90%. And you pay a monthly fee to dumpling a month. But what about the insurance? doesn't say anything about an insurance?

It that's just a match. So you have to have your own commercial insurance. So how does that work for grocery shopping, though? Because you feel like you should have someone but this No, because you don't have that people in the car. Who cares if some of the if you lose $50 worth of groceries in. Whereas if you if you if you're transporting me and my family, you better be insured if you had an accident, because I'm gonna sue you.

Yeah, that's a good point. It doesn't really say anything about that. But it's basically your own business. But they,

you know, provide the processing in those kind of things. So you said is 3% credit card fees? But then you said they keep the rest of the 90%?

So you're gonna keep 97%? Oh, the only so? No, no, every hundred percent or every hundred dollars, they take three bucks you keep 97. But

that's not even enough to cover the finance charge.

3%? No, yes, it is. It's like two and a half percent to run credit cards. It depends on when you run. Well. Are we really gonna get into brass tacks about frickin credit card fees right now? I mean, seriously,

but why would you do it? If you make that little? Why would they even do it? It's just

because it's like free money

for because they're getting Don't forget to get in the monthly you got to how much? They're getting a monthly to write?

Yeah, so So pay the monthly. Okay. Yeah.

So that like Christine that we use that use dumpling she paid 30 or $40 a month to be on the app and in the advertiser finance charge?

Yeah, that makes sense. Right?

It might be a side chick. Uber.

Yeah. It could be true. I think it might be as I generally Yeah.

Yeah. A little bit more. So I would agree. It's kind of like, Apex rider.

Question is, are you gonna be able to make that up?

Yeah, I mean, you basically creating your own business. So it's basically create your own clientele. Right? I mean, just like grocery shopping, say, hey, I need to go to the airport once a week. Okay, this is the price I'm charging. Right? And so you just tell them you set your own prices, so you just tell them use this app? Yep. This is how you bucket, you know, dumplings, gonna take 3% of whatever it is, and I get keep the rest. But so it's not a bad idea to if you want to build your own clientele. That is true. Um, I don't know. I kind of like that. I don't know, it's a big hustle. But I have insurance.

Especially if you're doing rideshare cuz

it's not a bad idea that when you're if you're driving for Uber or Lyft anyways, and somebody wants to Hey, can you do this on a weekly basis? Sure. Yes. Here's my card. And the card will have the dumpling information on it.

Yeah, I'll share this article. I'll post it on social media because it's really good. If you're interested in it. It might be a good way to build your own clientele.

And as Dustin says, as long as you have the right endorsement, you'll find

Yeah, yeah, that's that's huge. That really changed the game, didn't it? Yep. I mean, I drove without me for a long time. It it saved my

not not us all insured because Lyft screwed me.

Yeah, my gosh. Yeah.

But the second they offered rideshare insurance in Michigan the first company was Farm Bureau I like it's no no take that back. I was with Farm Bureau then farmers are fed it first. I switched immediately. As soon as I found out I felt bad. I felt kind of like rolling the dice.

Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's because you can mean if I mean the same with me. If I drove about a year without that extra insurance, and if I had been an action I would have lost a car door Sibley no done. Well, possibly

Dustin says Seattle just made me Minimum Wage driving as well as $16 an hour. I posted that in our thing for next week.

Oh, our next guest What?

What are the what? I didn't even know that was on the agenda. 16 an hour, huh? Yeah. So are they like, is that gross? Or do they take turns? I didn't look I didn't see you posted didn't read the article. I mean, two weeks, bro. That's, but I will I do want to I do want to post this article about both.

Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay, here's my next video. Here it is. I mean,

I don't even know how much intro you need to do for this man. This This video is nuts. Literally, literally.

Ice cream is hands. Rob. Rob. Rob. Rob. Rob. He's probably trying to put his boner down.

Okay, we're gonna we're gonna play that one again.

Let's see, can I do this? Can I switch back and just okay,

make sure you watch the groin area?

Yeah, it's crotch Jolla.

Maybe he's one.

But look at him. He's like, push it down. Push it down. He's coming. He's coming. Okay.

I don't even think he thinking about it. He's

just doing it. He has like a tick or something. So basically, for the people that are listening to the just the audio podcast, he's holding a like a pint of ice cream.

Yeah. And his hand. Figure out what pizza company that is. Oh, it was it was Domino's.

That's my thought. But I didn't know they delivered ice cream.

I'm for sure. It's Papa John's hundred percent.

Papa John's used to used to deliver ice cream.

Thanks, Dustin for the donation. I think that's a donation thing. It's cut off. I never I never took it down. I never expected anyone to do it. 20

bucks. Holy shit.


Thank you, Dustin. Whoo, am appreciate that. We just got to figure out how to get that money.

Don't even scare me like that. Thanks, Dustin. No, I said Papa John's because I wanted to shit on it. Because I know you've worked out John's but um, yeah, we've seen some of the strangest

stuff that dry.

Yeah. Hey, just

a tip to everyone. There's cameras everywhere. Everyone has a front door camera. I have one. Yeah, I know what's going on at all times. Don't rub ice cream on your crank. Just bad business. Oh. Dustin, what a good guy. Love that guy. All right, what's up next? Oh, it's me. Shoot. I didn't read this one. Damn it. All right. oopsies. I thought I only had two articles. So ships effort based. Hey, model, it just blanked out.

quality's really bad on Facebook right now. I don't know, is it?

Yeah, ships effort base pay model decided a 1400 item order was worth about $20. And we're gonna end shenanigans talk about that one. So, basically, lift strike that shipped has changed there. You know what this is from? Ypsilanti? I just looked in the pictures. This is from your neck of the woods. Right? So they really changed the model and we had Sam on and I don't know what she said because I couldn't hear she said

yes, that's a noob she she just posted

fuck new pay model. Oh yeah. So I know I went live in Kalamazoo like last year stupid ads, but I don't exactly know cuz I didn't read the article. And I forgot about this but basically they've reduced how much you get paid for the amount of work we do. And later on I'm able to spoil it's what was it like an 1100 item for like, $30 Yeah. And I don't know it could have been packs of rice for I don't know, but it's, it's, it's for either way. 1100 items for 30 bucks 30 bucks.

It will be because

so I was looking through the groups and that guy that posted that one that we're sharing later, he said there was an update. I don't know how he knew it, but a new guy took that order with it with a partner. I don't know how he knows. Yeah. Did you see that? Yep. I don't know.


1100 items for 35 bucks.

Yeah, it was like 27 to $30 that was your as I saw

it no way

Yeah, I don't know what changed or if they were just losing too much money but

Dustin's saying it's a negative ghostrider I'm not quite sure what that means. But

that's his tagline when he doesn't something's not legit and he's not gonna do it. Negative ghostrider should watch this channel once in a while you know supports the show you dick.

Anyways, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna read this. I'll pay

it back. I'm gonna send you five bucks Um, so basically show you those shipped as being an asshole I saw

one of these so bad right now. What do you

Why are you worried about it? defeat the quality of the feed is really bad. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you man. Something is up with the quality of Comcast

Well, maybe just go to YouTube we want you to watch on YouTube anyways, it's the

same there.

Hmm. I don't know. Who cares? What do we always say? Yes. For

98% of our listeners listen on the audio podcast I do but we do try to put out a good product All right. Yes, Bernie here's your Mac Book. His last check

book bullshit.

Honestly, I think we needed a computer upgrade Don't you think p Excel with AMD AMD processor? I ain't doing no Intel bullshit

did a new r tx 3070 they're pretty cheap right now. He's

he's getting hot. Are you talking about spending money?

A Pax last laughter mag book in my car. I got a voicemail from saying she might have left the laptop in the vehicle. I checked the backseat and trunk and saw nothing and didn't call back because the number was in audible because of background noise. I even vacuumed a few times back then nine days later. These two very high passengers get in and I thought I heard one say there was a MacBook in the backseat. didn't think much of it since I know mine wasn't back there after the accident. I remember getting back giving getting that voicemail. So I went back and looked around and almost missed it again. It was in the backseat pocket. How can you miss it? How the hell did this go? No. Nine days without getting stolen. I mentioned I managed to find the passenger I have to call him many different numbers I could make out from voicemail. She was Uber grateful and tip me that a $40 Really? You gave a $40 for giving me a MacBook back. Who? There is so much you're right the stream is hot garbage by the way.

It is I don't know why that's crazy. The funny

part was when I arrived at a house I realized how she could even forget something like that. Oh, why would she put it in the pocket? Well

the whole weird thing is that he's he didn't know is now there. But look at it. It's right. How

do you miss that? I know it's in the packet or you're not cleaning

your cleaning? Yeah, or something like that. I don't know.

Anyways, I guess it kind of falls in with the color but still, it's like my biggest takeaways. How can you only mean you tippin for $40. Forgetting I yeah, I can see somebody

thought that I could see. Okay, I could see somebody forgetting their Chromebook.

But not but not. Not a apple. MacBook. Okay,

is that I missed the joke. I don't know what you're joking.

I think $40 is okay. I don't think it's that I think that's fair. I mean, it's not like, you know, built the Mac Book. No, I mean, you literally just handed it to the person. I mean, 40 bucks for for doing that as is I take it I mean, because what you're gonna get 15 through through Uber or Lyft. Right. Yeah, lost or returned. Yeah,

yeah, for sure. So 40 bucks, doubling it.

I mean, I've had I've had too many phones back for 15. I guess so. Alright, we good. We're good.

This is from Pete.

Question my insurance company said I could not drive for Uber unless I had commercial insurance. Is that true? So a lot of the tips that we like to provide is for new riders or drivers or riders. I guess I don't care. And no, you don't need commercial insurance. What are you laughing at?

Sam? Sam got my joke.

Okay. You don't need commercial insurance you need what we talked about earlier is the rider rider.

rideshare endorsement.

Thank you. Right choosing a rider, app rider, rider rider.

It's also called a rider. So right.

rider, it is an additional rider to your insurance policy. It's cheap. I mean, I think I pay like, I don't know, 50 bucks every six months or something that's super cheap like that. Obviously, if you're terrible, or not that good of a driver. It might be more, but please get it. It's cheap. It's worth it. It covers your assets saved pizza, save me. I mean, if you want details, you can email me or whatever. I've, I've told the story a bunch of times, but yeah, it's super important and save me. Right? Yep. All right, social media. Let's see, I'm up first. This is I don't know, I didn't know this. Anyways, says Hi everyone. I'm looking for an Uber Eats partner so I can finish my orders faster. If you live in the Bronx and drive. Please hit me up. Guys like is like, huh? How do you expect that this will work? You're going to have someone sit in the car and drive? Will you pick up the orders and drop them off? Well, this will save you a second or two seconds per trip is that we're splitting the pay. You're just gonna ride around with a random stranger. Yeah, that's not safe. It's actually it's against the rules. I know a lot of people do it. I don't really care. As long as the driver will remember that guy that ate the wings that was walking up. He was definitely not the driver. As long as the driver or the person on the account walks it up. I don't really

I did it before with with my wife. Yeah, she she, you know, we use her account. So she got the food and delivered it. I just drove.

Well, again, it is against the rules. It's against the rules, which is surprising. Don't do it. Yeah. What a surprise. I did it. Yes. I was talking to my wife earlier and I don't know how you came up. But I'm like Pete's even more of a rule follower than me. And that's saying something. So I says Facebook stream shitty.

It's not just the team. They it's how they're getting the quality. Its quality from here, because it's on YouTube too. So yeah,

yeah. Well, it's probably guys it's probably quality from I think is from stream yard. Yeah, that's what I had a

bad night tonight. So sorry, guys. Um, well,


My turn now. All right.

Ah, yes. I'm a little distracted. I apologize.

So has anyone on here ever dated or had a relationship with someone that they

deliver always aka runs for? Yes. Right. Purposely like any p ones? Or like sex ones.

And somebody says, I got paid to be a con one time. Say thank you.

Not that I would have muted it or had it? Yeah, I don't know. Have you guys I mean, I've we've all been hit on.

Oh, no. Not

me. What about that? Didn't you have like a police officer hitting on DC had

a guy that grabbed your leg or something?

He was drunk. That's still that's still


I mean, do you did you accept his? Oh, I did not throw him out of the car shoulder. I almost threw him out of the car.

I have chicks try to rub my beard. Can I touch it? If they ask I let them they can do this. But when they just come around the side and touch it. I'm like, okay, you need Get the hell out of my car.

Yeah, Jason yelled at me. I'm sorry.

You won't let them touch your radio. But


I am such an old man, Boomer when I drive if the radio is too loud, I have trouble focusing. I need to focus on what's going on in my car. This is like when I'm trying to look for something I turn the radio down. Like, just help me focus more. I don't know. Yeah, same thing. Yeah, it's a big thing. So shut up. Yes. We're

funny that Jason lets people just touch his beard cuz you yelled at me one time on Instagram. Right? Yeah, cuz I posted a picture of this. It was New Year's Eve and I was I was delivering this girl home,

delivered her home.

I brought her home

and she like is in the backseat and she like comes forward and like gives me this big hug. And I

remember that took

the writing with Rita picture. And then Jason comments on it. personal space.

Well, I mean, the picture if I didn't know that you let her do that I would have known but I mean, if someone asks, I'd be like, yeah, I can touch it. Nice and soft. I got really weird.

I just said that. I just see. Did you see Sam's comment? No, I'm not saying it.

I got really uncomfortable when I said that.

Yes, I'm not saying that. Nikita

Ah, see. Don't make me ban you.

And Sam right there, that's why you no longer on the podcast. Yeah, right.

All right. Last but not least is in Grand Rapids. We talked about it earlier. Yeah. 1100 and 40 items for

27 to 37. Estimated. And this is local. This is at our local This is your Meijer. Right. That's your Hi Mark.

Ah, no, we go to Granville.

Okay. Yeah, an hour and 55 minutes estimated. That's how long it's gonna take that up

it that seems very not enough time No, no for 1100 and 40 items. I wish you could see what they were ordering. Because when I picked up a McDonald's order, and I was like, Oh, this is a really good pay. And then I looked at it was a 46 items and I got to look what it was. I was like, nope, cancel, cancel, cancel. It was like a bunch of lattes and sodas. I'm like, This shit is gonna spill all over.

Yeah, that's crazy. Oh, all right. What else we got anything else? We got a

read in the context set and funny. One in chat says first time here wants to know if Lyft also gives us a driver's rider credits 20 $20 car per referral. When you get other competition passengers sign up with

I think we had something like that for a while. You got

credits. Uh, I've never seen that. That. So I had been like over.

It was three. They give you a referral fee. Right? They were given that for a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. Dustin says I stay away from McDonald's. Yeah. I tried to tell Yes. for that. I was like, Yes, sir. When you're doing food delivery, don't go to McDonald's. Don't go to Taco Bell. Don't go to the fast food places. They're never gonna tip.

I'm just not doing food delivery. You just

got to listen to me. I'm not

even worried. When I did food delivery. It wasn't even like the not getting a tip part from McDonald's. It was the waiting in line for 30 minutes. Yeah, because there's only two of them at night that do. Uber Eats the one on Michigan Street and the one on one of the ones on Alpine

I would rather get a root canal and go right to McDonald's on Michigan. Worse worse. I might even get a colonoscopy and the Taco

Bell I Michigan's like that. Oh,

no, no both of them I've tried they've they've tapped me twice on that Taco Bell with a little bit because I was close still didn't matter I was literally right next to the Taco Bell I was there for 30 minutes yeah

getting the food so so Juan does answering you I think Uber was all the way done they had no refill fee here for a while. Yeah, yeah, they won't had nothing but Lyft had a little one right so Yeah,

all right guys. Thank you so much to our sponsors Irvine's auto repair and grind overtired and Brian from oil lube

you haven't

Yeah, no absolutely on sorry about the stream quality I'm not sure what happened I pay my I pay out the ass for internet here so that pisses me off.

So let's get on the phone with Comcast next. Yeah,

no kidding or stream yard one of the two. All right guys. We will see you in a couple of weeks. Hopefully I'll get the episode with Brian from oil Luber out

next week. And I think that's it but to add that next basket to your system and sign up on over the next side check whatever we can do that.

Alright guys, enjoy your side chicks everyone. Good night.

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I mean, do you want a beer that needs to be bought by the business company? Yeah. So of course we have yes for over here and P There are nine Jason so for anyone that's new looks like Janet and Keith are on So hi, guys. We appreciate everyone joining. Thanks, Justin. So tonight's studio sponsor is Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid. We'll talk about them a little bit later. But thank you for supporting the show. Everyone that's listening. If you can please, please share the stream and in your groups that would be that helps us more than anything when we can get our name out to other people. So just want to talk about the picnic real quick, which is still on, at least in Michigan, the governor says up to 100 people with social distancing.

So Janet, there's room for you as

Janet book your flight now. There we go. It's August 15. And Rob, if you guys want to come down from that, for that it's noon to four it's gonna be a blast. I haven't talked to you guys about it. But I thought about live streaming during the whole thing will be kind of fun. Absolutely. You know, have different people sit down and just chat about it and maybe not the whole time. For hours, but I think that would be kind of fun. We can figure something out. Yeah, that'd be great. And of course, we're always looking for a sponsor for that. We haven't reached out to our current sponsors, but if anyone wants to sponsor that picnic, we would be open for that. Hey,

we might even let you you know hand out brochures and stuff.

Oh, we might

real quick to a picture of Mr. Miguel who is a Patreon Patreon member of ours and we gave it way a camera it was not an in it was not inside outside just outside outside. So my guess is he'll sell it on Facebook marketplace But hey,

I know he actually said that he did not in one of those vehicles to not have a dashcam Okay, he's gonna put it in there. Oh nice. He does use that for the gig work sometimes.

Okay, so yeah,

yeah. And even if he did sell I don't care if you want it fair and square. We are going to test a van true camera. That one is actually going to go in my car but that will be given away the black view which will be giving away

the black room. Yeah,

which is a $500 camera. I'm not a huge fan of it. I Can't say it's a bad camera. I just like the simplicity of the van shrews.

It's not a bad camera. I don't know. It's just a different camera.

Right? It's just different. Yep. So we'll be doing that.

Oh, Paul wants to message about sponsorship needs. Paul will be reaching out to you. Thank you so much. Right. Um, so stories.

Funny story about Miguel. Oh, all right. Let her settle in him. I didn't even realize I met him. I was at the shell. At Johnny's over I was at Michigan. Fuller. Yeah, Michigan falling oil, and I'm pumping gas and I see this Uber driver pulls up next to me. And he goes in and I kind of wave at him and he comes out and I asked him how he's doing. He says, Good, and I'm like, Alright, well have a good night. And so I roll on and I see in the chat. He's like, Pete, was that you? I just talked. Oh, whoops. whoopsies Yeah, yeah, thanks.

Yeah. Well, it's weird. You know, you join that telegram group. You don't really see pics. It's not like Facebook, right where you're seeing their life. It's just they're just messages, you know. So I wouldn't quite recognize them outside the group either. So although he does have a he does have his own picture up for his eye.

My Profile Picture avatar on telegram by the

third column avatars

kind of old I know, but it sounds right to me. Yeah, I don't know. So yeah, we don't have any stories from the last podcast I have announced to the guys that I'm going to be driving after the fourth. So I'm ready to get back into it. That when face masks are like done no, there is no there has not been having like

now you're gonna wear a face mask. I am gonna wear a face before the beat up or you're gonna get one of those. Yeah, like gamepad. Yeah,

what are they called?

I don't know what they're called. But I definitely looked online for today. You just basically pull them up. You basically pull them up and it's good if you have a beard. Oh,

yeah. Because when I put my face like depends

You're not even getting a hail for that. Because like with my beard it like it kind of comes right here. So if I can just talk all everything in and then pull it up. I think that'll be fine.

Some made with a logo on epic cool.

That would be kind of weird.

Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, I'm not gonna wear it when there's no one in the car. What's the point and here's the thing with those pull up ones you can just kind of quick pull them down and then put it back up and then pick somebody I

thought about getting one of those plastic shields.

Nobody not not for the face. Not one of those. Like the ones

we talked about in the last podcast.

Well, they made some they've since then they've come up with the it's not it's made our last last

podcast. He wasn't here remember? Oh,

the last podcast I kind of left up and I had an issue so so what if since rating Oh, no, I can say what I want. But But I saw a pretty cool one that it was actually

it was pretty Plastic It was not

like plexiglass,

so it was more flimsy.

Oh, yeah. No, it was it was actually plastic, but it was it was all velcroed all the way around. And that seemed like a pretty good idea.

But here's the thing. Uber driving for me is about the connections. I mean, it's about the money, but it's about the phone connections. You put that up and it's just like it's weird then then you lose dashcam like it's kind of all wobbly. Right? You know, and I don't know, I like the belt. If I were to have to do it like this is required. I do like the Velcro option because you can just pull it up and rip it down really easy. Right, exactly. But

saran wrap.

So you could just wrap the ride up before he gets

noticed have a dispenser that goes right across the door. They walk in and there's like two sides

like that. Spin twice, exit.

Nice. So Scott, I asked if we're wearing branded bill hats.

We actually are

But unfortunately not without bread

right and afford it but we'll get there. That's funny that he caught that he loved these hats,

and then they got a frame. Ha. Scott frame. Yeah. Do you

know him? Yeah, okay. Yeah. And they Hendrick said where's the social distancing guys? No face Mac How are the roads? I mean, if we

about six feet apart so

you two are but I think we are

close close though you know

it's fine. It's fine so

the roads are not good what they're I guess they're fine

they're wet right now there were a lot of branches.

Yeah there was like for not having a tornado. Well Granville

got hit with a 75 mile an hour wind gust at some point and apparently on the other side Ivan rest got hit real bad but we I had a few branches down in the front but nothing they shut that one 196 for a while because of the downpipe. Oh really? I think there was in Holland there was a semi trailer that got flipped over. I'm like that's pretty powerful. Right there. Hopefully was empty. I know if it was full I don't think he got flipped. So but anyways back to Yeah, I'm gonna start driving.

I don't know yes for is on the fence.

The problem is I have a day job and I have some responsibilities to them correct and so I'm trying to figure out when is the right time for that because I mean I have business partners I have you know daily responsible that have to do and if it I don't know I want to go back on the road just as much as you do. I mean I itchin right. I want to go back. I'm missing my I'm missing my weekend therapy is missing the extra money. I mean, that's Yep, I definitely I never did do any of the P ua or anything like that.

No, you know, what you're really missing is whipping out of vetoes. I do I do. 230 in the morning.

Well, it's like but

it's the whole it's the whole experience though. Right? It's all of it. I'm missing. It's missing going out. It's the adrenaline, adrenaline rush that still was there a little bit right. Not allowed. anymore, but you still missing? Yeah, you miss going out there and catching all the rides and having fun and as you said, you know, talking to the people, and yeah, because that was the best part.

Yeah, and is the best there. I wish I could have one where I could just push a button and be like, okay, you're assholes.

I mean, like, but I also

have been in the limo seat. Yes.

Yeah. I don't know. But what about up? Have you thought about it at all or not?


not really. No. I mean, I have. I'm kind of in the same boat. I'm kind of like, itching to get back out there. Yeah. Like, again, it's not I mean, it is about the money but like, talking to people and like picking up those awesome riders on Friday nights when the bar gets out. You know, the good ones.

Yeah. Well, I think it's a little different from you because you've transitioned to, like, hated when I say a normal job. I feel like I feel like you have People but like a non gig job where you work an eight to five, so it's a little bit different. But, yeah, I mean, you you probably do miss it. I mean, it's probably been a nice break, but it's I mean,

I'm ready. I'm

good della.

Yeah, I mean that weekend, I won't be doing anything but the weekend after the fourth I think I'll be out. I mean,

I'm thinking it's already gonna be slow. We all know summers are slow as heck true, right? I mean, so they are slow. They will always slow college is probably nothing. Yeah, they used to be down to like minimum now then nothing because they're gone. Right? They'd be they would like they took all three months early.

Not all of them only the people that were on campus. Anyone off campus were still on

campus was a lot of the traps true.

I did see somebody complained about the on the I know we're kind of getting off topic, but that's fine. In the in the Grand Rapids group, how slow it was, I'm like, well, it's kind of Yeah, it's slow because a it's summer. Right. You know, everyone's Well, I think it was the first night they were open. They were like, yeah, everyone's walking around. I'm like, yeah, it's summer.

That's what people do. Just wait a month when we get those. How many scooters don't? Oh,

don't Why'd you have to remind? We all

have scooters. We have drunk people. Yeah, that seems like a really good idea.

Hey, yo, yeah, you weren't?

Yeah, the last episode. So a dust off those dash cams, because you're gonna be getting some good footage.

posting that stuff again. I know.

But once again to say you're old.

I was gonna say something that was important too. And it'll come back.

So real quick. The telegram group, we're talking about it. The link is in the chat. I know Jana and Rob just joined from New Zealand, which is awesome. It's funny three months ago.

Yeah, just

wow. They're the newest Yeah, I met. Well, it's funny. I've looked at our stats and our New Zealand stats are going up a little bit. It's

I love it.

Yeah, I see that New Zealand is declared. I know,

they're the only ones in the world. Hey, good job. They did something right. Good. Yeah,

they shut down. They shut down.

Yeah, completely. And but but I mean, there's not that many people in New Zealand though, right? I mean they they had advantage of and their island so that's an advantage too.

But it's not a small island

No, but I'm saying it's not like Michigan, Ohio where you can just drive to the next day, you know, right. But anyways, so yeah, so join that telegram group that would be we would really like that. And if you have to download the app, and then click the link in there for some reason, or maybe just try to click the link. I've been saying that for about two years, and maybe it's different now. I don't even know they fixed it. Maybe they fixed it.

It is a pretty cool app. And it's a very, very cool community.

Yeah, and I missed that too. Like the other day, Larry He said he got back on the chat because I had started chatting and then all sudden you were in there and he's like, it's like 40 messages I missed. This is like the Oh yeah.

It was like 130 message. What happened the world and what's going on?

Yeah, there was nights where there would be thousands mess messages. Yeah, no.

People have just

yapping, right. Janet says there's 5 million people. So Michigan has 10 million. So that puts that in perspective.

So Denmark has 5 million people. Yeah, I think 6 million but yeah,

so yeah, that kind of puts it in perspective of how small now I'm not. I'm not Pooh poohing it by any means. So just for just for fun. I always like the stats in our group. It's we've shared 5050 500 photos, 338 videos.

And 55,523 voice messages since when it doesn't give me a sense when they were created. Yeah, but yeah.

Does it say how many gifts?

No. Well would that be Under videos or it's media,

no images,

probably images. Yeah, it's 5500

it's got to be more now I feel like there's nights where we lay out the whole way of communicating. Yes.

It's probably you know, the same GIF is only one comment at once.

It might I don't know.

There's a memory usage of gifts.

Right? Right for sure. You're up? Yes,

sir. I am up. So again, talking about all these things that helps us we want to make sure that obviously, we encourage our users our listeners, not users, this practice here to to write a review on is an essential lockdown listening. What does that even mean? You wrote that? No, I didn't. I didn't write that. Anyways, we just wanted you guys to write reviews on our show. On all the places you can review it and right now, the biggest place For us to do that is on Apple podcasts. And I think maybe also Google's home I think I've seen on Google But anyways, definitely have a podcast. It does make a big difference. It helps us a lot. So

yeah, I you know, I had a sticky note. What I do with it, I think we're rated in for podcast charts were like 350 in our category. So that's pretty good. I mean, if you make the top 200 is where you want to be. So every review helps us kind of bump up or bump down however you want.

I chose Of course, and listen to us regularly, you know, helps.

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so no. Us base no and

I it's not like go America that I'm saying but I'm like not even North America, right? No, no. And I'm like, okay, that just caught my eye didn't isn't that weird? That is At least, but anyways, so within the Uber app, you'll be able to request this trip as you would as any on demand ride while setting multiple stop multiple stops needed throughout your journey the cost is 50 per hour with mileage over at varying city by city. riders can book an hourly increments per

Oh, Uber comfort.

So my question is what it doesn't say is what did the drivers get out of that? I mean, is that normal your normal rate you know, we always go over this right, like Ubers ripping us off and everything. Is it just the normal time and mileage route? any extra bonus? Because if that case, I'm not interested?

No, I would think that they would get Of course to no no more mileage and stuff. But I would think then when the car is sitting still,

they would increase the time I would think so. Yes.

Yeah. I have to dig in dig. I hope so.

because no one's gonna do it right? Because you can opt into those or not, but right now currently, it's only in Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas DC. Houston, Miami, Orlando, Philly feed. Yo Tacoma in Tampa Bay

for anybody in those markets please let us know how that works Yeah,

I know I know this month DC market for stats was up there away so anyone that DC market or Chicago we'd love to hear but yeah I'm just not doing it if they're gonna pay me the 10th whatever our market What is it 10 cents a minute.

My man It's been so long I need to get back driving stat

but no me too.

I mean, I think it's good for the passenger though. But I mean, I feel like they're just gonna take advantage of it just like they always do.

But I I can see, I can see like parties. Such as, you know, wedding wedding parties. Yeah, it's like that they would schedule like two or three hours.

Yeah, you actually

I come from a van or something like that. You know, I would often have rides with what was it a bridal party is not bridal hope but but wouldn't bachelor Thank you. parties, and I would have people say, Hey, can you come and get us and yeah, oh, you just got just all on a ride. I can see like that they would want to pre pre order for the whole night. So what would be if, if it's charging the customer 50 bucks?

What would be your ally to do it to do it?

Because that's the thing like if they drive one mile, like they pick you up, they're going into let's say they're going to meet a hooker. So they go to the hotel there. It hasn't happened yeah, they live a mile and a half away. You drive them you get paid for that mile and a half and then you sit there for you know 49 more minutes

unless you know he's Jasper then probably 10 seconds but

hey, oh.

But anyways, I mean, I'm not gonna do it for the regular hourly.

Yeah, no rain. So I think I would want to get $30 out of it.

No, that's not happening.

No, but then I would do it. I mean, well,

you're not easily barely get well, I shouldn't say you barely get $30 an hour when you drive. But that's not true. But here's the thing, though, if you if you could get less per hour, you're not putting wear and tear on your car. So you would probably take less, right, because you're using less gas. True. So would you do it for 2020? No,

I would not go below 25.

I think my line would be 25. Because it also depends on what time of the day it is. What Yeah,

there's tons of variables. You're

talking about Friday night at? You know, midnight. Yeah, yeah. Make way.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll have to look into it. I haven't seen a lot of chatter about it in the I mean, we follow the groups all the time, and I haven't seen I've heard about it. Yeah, I haven't seen much, how much the writer gets. So that would be interesting to see. But, yep,

yes for Okay, so this is a share from

Facebook, I think it is one of the groups. And this is Angela who is talking about she's a writer, and she's talking about one of her drivers and this was doing the whole thing after well, within the last month or so is everything with the black my black lives matter. Yeah. Blackout Tuesday. What determines, uh, basically this, this Angela, she's sharing the post of La Tasha. And she had a she was a writer in a Lyft car and this one driver has been his or her I don't know if it says just read it or, okay, fine, man. I was complaining all morning about lift jacking up my morning commute but God, everyone meet Christina my Lyft driver. Thank you. She's a woman. She literally asked what's your address? I was so confused because in my head, I'm like shooting you already have it. I almost hopped out the car, y'all. Long story short, you can summarize. I could Go home for free. She's been lifting all day only taking African Americans to and from wherever they need to go for free. She said, this is how she's using her voice and she's contributing to blackout Tuesday. So thank you, Christina for saving me a $30 $33 trip from work. But most importantly, thank you for advocating for us. So I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, well way of doing it and definitely a neat way of supporting

Yeah, it's always good to see you know, we I feel like we always focus on the shitty part of rideshare driving or gig economy in general. General, what the hell yes, we're said y'all. And I'm like Jean or

one way that that Christina could have done it, though is she could have taken her the past in there and then she could have said, Please refund the Yeah,

you She probably should have done that. Because at

that point, the insurance still covers

that's such a good point. Yes, Rosie, there is a very good point. We're thinking about,

like my No, there's a professional

right there saying Hey, be careful when doing that. not covered. Wow. Nice one. Yes, sir. I appreciate that. Good job.

Yeah, I'm trying. So he also still leaves the option for tipping if they want. Because,

well, if they refund the ride, I don't think there's an opportunity for them to do anything. So unless they unless you went home and did it,

right. I mean, who knows?

Although it so to put it in the interaction, it would be weird if you said you were going to refund the ride, because then the customer is like, Yeah, sure. You are. Right, right. You know, I mean, so to get the good connection with the customer, it was probably good. She did it that way. But But I agree with that. Maybe you say, Hey, I'll show you that. I refund the ride right after it's done. I don't know. But either way,

oh, you can wait and have the interaction afterwards. Because they're still there. Right. And then you don't have the weirdness of asking for the address. You taking them there. That's true. And then you say, Hey, you know what, this is my, this is what I'm doing today. Right? This ride is free and you go in, you refund it and it shows up on their phone right away. Yeah

within like, yeah probably 30 seconds. Yeah, like driver refunded you so that's that that's a good way of doing it, then you're covered so, alright, uh, last so this is

yeah this next video

I mentioned it to hear your point on it so I didn't I cut out a lot of the garbage beginning and but so

you want to watch it okay

for my

I actually have to

what I have to cancel your

flight. I have to cancel your ride I cannot go down

there Why would you come here if you can't go that far because it doesn't tell me that. It's okay, we'll get another

You can't You can't drive to Miramar

too far or you don't show up.

Bye, guys.

Alright, so I'll wait to hear because when I watched it, I'm like, okay,

I don't know who that guy is.

I don't really like him either.

No, just the way he was sitting the way he was talking to him. And I guess the one thing we don't know is how far was the ride?

No, it was it was like, I cut it out. But it was like, it was either 16 miles or 16 minutes. Yeah,

it was not that long.

Well, I think he, I read some of the comments and I kind of agree, I think he just didn't want to take five right? And so he used that as an excuse, but why not just use the correct excuse that You're not supposed to take five,

because he just lost himself the cancellation right? Yeah, he canceled he didn't get he didn't get the cancellation rate.

Yeah, there's a weird vibe from him. Yeah. And I don't know why, but he's talking real quiet and I don't think the girls were. I don't think that we're being that like one of the comments is like, well, it's good to you cancelled. She was gonna puke and I'm like they didn't they didn't see that.

They seen the little little over? Well, but if it was 1616 miles or 16 minutes, either way, that's not a fire drive. No, it's not not

and I do agree. They don't tell you where they're going. So I mean, unless you're like diamond bitch, right like Pete.

Well, are you still

not anymore? I'm still diamond. You're


Oh, that's funny.

Yeah, I when I saw that video, I was like, that guy's just his attitude is

You know what though I swear cuz you guys have seen some of my index cameras I have set that attitude sometimes. Oh yeah, that girl that I still remember don't touch the radio.


I'll never let that one down.

So why was this camera like on the ground? Yeah it was

a weird front camera just don't talk to me

again what like racers do right right like their camera down at the bottom

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But what's the big deal with the two people? Right? Yeah. And they're handling two orders.

Yeah, technically, that doesn't seem wrong. If there's two separate accounts.

I don't see why the problem what the problem Man, I mean, I I was I was shopping pretty late the other night and I saw two obvious in, like shoppers, I don't know what they were using one platform, but it was a probably a couple out doing it together. And they were just doing one order. So I don't know what the issue there is, I guess.

Well, it's against the rules. You know, okay. This just takes advantage of like, can you chime in on this? Like, am I missing the point why it's now the rule? I don't know. Like now that yes, four brings up a good point. I'm like, I mean,

it's just one account. I mean, there's nobody else in the cars not like the three other writers.

I think it's just taking advantage of the people that don't have that extra person because honestly, if if you were technically they're doing four orders right there one in two phones each. Does it say they were running two phones? They're running two phones. Oh, total.

running total. We're running two phones. Oh,

yeah. I can see that problem. I have a problem with that today. Yeah,

clearly they're using some else's account, right? Yeah. But I can see how it would be easy. if let's say I missed that point. Yeah, I did too. Thank you. Reading as hard as I can see, if you had like, let's say you have 10 items, and you have two people, you're like, here's a screenshot because like, sometimes it'll be like some stupid cat letter. And then the rest of it's in the dairy. So you got to walk, although I could see having your partner or your wife or whatever, run over get the cat litter, bring it back. But that would be the extent of it. I mean, when using double phones and that kind of stuff, but I was

so confused. Those are the first time I was at Maya for two months and stupid arrows on the floor.

While you're there like this going around, like

oh, no, I'm going the wrong wrong way again.

How's that Walmart and the guy cussed me out as he went past me.

Well, what's funny is because like, well, you shake your head, but you're a rule follower. I feel like you would be the old man cussing everyone else out.

The problem was is I wasn't doing it on purpose. Of course, I just didn't notice the big gigantic blue arrow somehow,

or we had what's her name on the ship lead? She said she didn't follow me there. She's like, I got shit to get done. Like, I'm not following things. I mean, I give

them I don't really know what it actually

think i think it what it does is it keeps people the cross. So when you're going this way, the arrow says and some people that go this way, then you know, you have the potential for exposure. But if everyone's going the same way, I mean,

that is smaller. It's much easier to do the social distancing is everybody's doing one direction,

right? But it's almost impossible. Like especially if you're not familiar with a store and you walk past it and then you have to walk but like what are we just doing laps here until we get our item like I have an IRF

wire the other day and like I was getting laundry detergent, and we come up to the ion laundry detergent aisle was coming up towards us. Yeah, and like I can see the large detergent I had to get

put the arrows the other way around the other way. So I had to watch

All the way around come back up. He's,

he's I'm not walking. Yeah. Pizza brothers in here. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I would have just grabbed it.

I would have I mean, I honestly I did do that

though several times I went the wrong way. I did it again.

Yeah, that's like whatever. Obviously it must have been a store policy because I didn't see anything come down from the governor about direction of walking. Yeah. And so I'm not you know, I wouldn't be too worried about it. I

think most of the stores did it though.

You're right. They did. But I don't I don't remember hearing like

maybe it was maybe there was still in a written in the Yeah, you're right there. I don't know.

It's like 40 pages and it's not like I read it. We shall we shall read each one. Each time. She puts one out.

How many orders did she put out? like crazy many? It was?

Yeah. Well, each time I feel like since it's like an emergency status, she has to make it official like that. She can't Just Say

No no, no. Yes. And there's a full auto been written out. Yes.

So that kind of a pain in the ass but alright, Jesper. So this guy, go ahead.

No, I mean, I always do. I always do it. So this is an interesting video. It's a it's a guy who is a delivery guy who is. Well, according to himself, he's essential. But then somebody else thinks otherwise.

Yep. Don't play that right now if I pay attention

I'm not even doing anything

that tells me


serious, serious. So the cop he's saying Calm down, calm down. He's I would be like, I wouldn't be calm if you weren't falsely arresting me. Right. So I wonder how many times that did happen. I don't know if anyone that's listening. I saw any issues like that, but

it was obviously in Britain Right. I mean, cuz you look at the hat.

No, that's that was New York. Pretty sure.

Sure. Anyways, okay, so

it looked to me like

it was well, I think they have their riot shields on. That's why it looks a little a little weird. Okay.

Yeah, but it's still weird though. I mean, why would they arrested? Well, I can't help but wonder that something happened before will be there you're not seeing but

I don't know why I have a lot of things in the past few weeks happen.

Yeah, I mean clearly there was a miscommunication. They didn't they did not care to even look at as I mean, clearly he's delivering although you could sneak by with just a delivery bag, but then there must be something on the app. I mean, we apologize. We have not been driving so we don't know. But if there was why didn't the police officers they like but they're just like no bullshit right now. They're just like, right, arrest them and we'll deal with it later.

Yeah. thing i did i didn't recognize the backpack. I didn't recognize what app he was. I think

it was either doordash or grubhub one of the two was red one it's either grubhub or door it was orange

but either

way so do we need to watch the 19 second video again? We arguing about colors

Yeah, absolutely yeah we know we only 44 minutes enemy a lot of time, right?

does look it does look orange, but that bitch

Come on,

give me give me the fight

and the elbow.

All right, so next up, he This is this guy that wants to rent something.

Oh, yeah, I came across this.

And it's a guy asking a question in the Uber Eats livery drivers national. And it says how much can you rent out your bike in the account? per week. I got it. Another job I want to make extra cash.

Well, first of all, it's a bike, like,

well, but I think some of the biggest cities that they do beat on bikes,

yeah, for sure. But why you can't get a $10 bike from a grad sale? Like, why would you want to ride your bike out? He just wants to rent the account out. Right? Yeah. So I have a question. So why do Why are there some posts that I see that people will maybe it's not the account maybe it's the car they're running, but I swear there was like this group for a while that was renting out their accounts, and maybe that what they were doing, I'm sure is wrong. I know it's wrong. But I swear it was like some legit Facebook group that I followed for a while that they were in New York, they were like renting out like how did probably is but like how does somebody do a fleet I that's what I'm talking about. Not maybe the accounts but where they work for somebody. Let's say the guy has 10 cars that he's just renting the individual car, and then then he pays a portion of it back to the owner

Didn't we have a we had a fleet like that and gonna have it's a One point well let me get Yeah, they called

it stay the guy always post yeah still post because he owns a garage to

inspect car now what was it called?

Yeah I forget.

There was he had more than five I would think. Definitely had a small fleet of vehicles.

Yeah, I didn't know he was like renting them as like that.

They were all they were always out new and I saw them with the apps in the cars so they will definitely do Uber and Lyft

Yeah, well anyways, you can't do that y'all because obviously, you're not the person doing the work. Although no one cares. I know Uber Eats. I mean, do you really care? Do you actually look at your profile picture from your food delivery.

Now, I have only had delivered once and

I've had a couple of times. You know, I saw I was out doing mowing lawns. You know, like Last week and I saw a guy with his girlfriend in a Tesla delivering he he was driving and she was doing the delivering. Like all he had to go pay for that car. I mean, yeah, but like maybe you should get out there and do it like she was kind of funny. That's just to see a Tesla doing that. There's somebody there was someone I did train and I did that

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so I hit the road once.

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I tried. It was too early man too early. So for some reason.

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I'm still only I mean, I'm still only driving goober eats. So I know. I'm also taking the doordash No, no, you are. Yeah. Yeah, I had to you had to request a I gotta get I gotta get a new red card. Yeah, but I'm technically a doordash. Driver.

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But and then Uber Eats. Holy shit. Stop. What? Keith bot I tip view in the app from Zazzle when we had it, that's the one shirt that got bought.

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out there's my brother.

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Where's your hat? Oh my gosh. That just made my night. Like there we go. Recently. I think one person you gotta show it to us key. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. Oh, sorry. I didn't I didn't mean interrupt you. I had to talk about that. That's awesome. All right. That's awesome. Anyways, I hit the road once. I tried to go out because Uber had this whole they had that special going on for a long time where they would give you $3 extra right? I figured well, you know, they started for they did well yeah, they have a promotion that was only if you had the card. What card the their new pay card. No, really it was no matter what yeah, I get I qualified for the promotion. But I also do have the Uber card so maybe they No

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no, this is a different card This is so that you can buy you can order for somebody and pay for it if they don't participate with it's like oh, well, my promotion my app and my promotion my upset I will qualify for an extra $3 Okay, from four o'clock to eight o'clock all we gone. Try that. Okay, and from four to six nothing. It was just crickets. There was absolutely nothing that was what crickets it was though. I I did not have no that's not true. I had two requests. Yeah, one Starbucks. It was like $6 and so no way it's gonna take me $29 to complete it is 29 minutes, right? It's that and then I had and then a chicken run.

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I was like seven hours and I dead to drive 19 miles to get.

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Yeah, no, we're doing bucks for an hour work. Seems reasonable. So I said no to those two and then I drove home. And I had pizza with my family which I bought a Domino's, by the way.

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Anyways, so yeah, that was my so in the past when I talked about it, you can't go out at four o'clock on a Friday night. Now, you may have been the pull that off on a Thursday, because people order but at Friday night people order later, it's the weekend. Well, and and again, the promotion is one of the things that Sam also said, incorrectly. So two promotions, but many more drivers out. It was just right. Well, so I went out on Saturday, and I had a great day you killed it. I worked a total of six hours and I made $185. And again, I can't beat that. That they did have some promotions on there. But I think it was just the boost, like a 1.4. I didn't I didn't get anything like a $3 per that's so weird, because my app even said, I think they had a promotion on the Saturday too, huh? Yes. I did see something if you if you would the pay card, but you obviously didn't order that. No, I don't have to buy a car. Yeah.

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So I had a great, a great Saturday, one of the things I want to tell new people and I've seen some posts on Facebook about it is

Unknown Speaker 6:27
Thanks, Robert, that when you get the quote from Uber how much you're gonna make it includes the tip. Right, right. It's the estimated what they think they're gonna tip. That is actually what they tipped, but they have an hour to change it. So people are looking at is like, they kind of tricky with the verbiage like, Am I going to get this? Out of all my deliveries? I got exactly what was quoted. So it's kind of turned into the grub. No tip baiting? No. Well, kind of Oh, yeah. You mean where they changed it? Right, right. No, I mean, I'm sure it does happen. But it didn't happen to me. So people are like, Oh, I don't know if I should take this. I'm like, if it's worth it to you the price presented, you're probably going to get that unless you totally mess it up, or the restaurant messes it up because they have one hour. And it takes one hour before that tip to come in. So if you do like three or four deliveries in a row, you're gonna be like, Ah, no, it tipped me. It will they will pop in. But so just just as a heads up for new people. I saw that three times this week on Facebook.

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So yeah, for sure. A couple of things. I had to uh, so for new people to when you get an order, now you can get an order that is actually where the word Uber is working with a restaurant, and one that when Uber is not so somehow they just like, I don't know,

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scan the menu in and you can order one I had one at the Wynn tavern, which is a bar and genossen Well, they're not participating with Uber. So that's where we use that pay card. That's way out there too. Isn't that Baldwin? And yeah, 20th 20th Yeah, so I ended up getting a request for the wind and the wind is so freakin popular. Like it is a great and it was a good money. It was gonna be like $20 and it was a short delivery. I mean, tiny like a half a mile. Well, I called because I wanted to place the order and the phone was busy. I'm like, Nope, I cancelled it. And then I had one, I had one item, and I picked it up and it was at McDonald's. Now I told the Esper, never take that. But it tempt me because it was $20. And I was like, I accepted it. I looked at the menu, it was 48 items. And I'm not talking a cheeseburger and 47 packets of

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ketchup. It was like lattes fries, the whole nine yards. So

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I can't tell

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why. Because it's too much rule. I'm not dealing with lattes. And like it just wasn't worth it to me. So I cancelled it. It was a bunch of it looked like I don't know. I just seem like it was a bunch of kids just ordering a shit ton of food and I do probably hungry. Well, someone else can do it. Then.

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yeah, I don't know what side you're on. But yeah, you know, I didn't tell you guys and maybe I can bring it up now. Because Roberts bring it up. I had somebody messaged me from one of the big groups because I share the podcast and he wouldn't let it show. And he's like, Well, hey, let's have a conversation. Maybe we can work together. Come to find out. He's part of the union and he wants to do all that. And he was not happy that I wasn't on that side. I'm like, it's okay. We can disagree. He goes well, I don't want to work with you. I'm like, that's okay too. Like, it's

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I like it. It's kind of weird that he's like, Yeah.

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Was the amount of one of the groups or something? Yes. And he's supposed to be pretty like down the middle right? Yeah, it's not and it's it is a big group it had 27,000 people in it. So it would have been great but I wasn't gonna go against what I what I believe in or not, you know, I don't want it and Roberts on our side. Thank god right.

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Mark city had his first bad experience with it. He's a car guy. only had two hours with him so far. They forgot all of his produce today.

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Unknown Speaker 14:32
But yeah, Grand Rapids, Michigan. All right, first article is mine. Then the title of the show Uber pledges to go all electric but it doesn't own the cars, which is

Unknown Speaker 14:45
it's hilarious. Oh, get off the frickin ad G's do brown Tuesday pledged to convert its fleet in US and Canadian European cities to fully electric by 2030. By the end of the following decade. Uber says all of its rides will be a board of electric vehicle.

Unknown Speaker 15:00
It goes either cars, bikes or scooters, the pledge follows a similar one from Lyft. Rival Lyft in June that they said that so let's see.

Unknown Speaker 15:10
Yeah, that if you want to drive to Cali Robert, you can but that's gonna be a hell of a drive.

Unknown Speaker 15:15
Kelly. Yeah, he's from Cali. Let's see he there was a couple of things. I should have highlighted this.

Unknown Speaker 15:22
They do say that rideshare drivers are the worst for carbon footprint, because of all the idling that we do more than buses and all that stuff. Because apparently we sit around waiting for rides. We'll get that group. It's just not the airport. Yeah, the airport, any golf. But see, I turn my car off. Even in the summer. Now, if it's cold, I'm not going to do it. But I mean, I turn it off and roll down the windows. Why waste the fuel? Why would you want to waste the fuel brass band on the starter?

Unknown Speaker 15:54
Yeah, you have starter problems. Did you get that fixed yet? No, not starter. Battery, you have the problem. 99 problems. But basically this article breaks down is like Uber wants to go electric but they don't have cars. They're going to offer all these

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discounts. But you know, electric cars are expensive still.

Unknown Speaker 16:16
They said to offset the higher cost. Uber says it will spend 100 and 60 million annually until 2025. They are going to offer $1 more per ride if they drive a battery or electric or hybrid. Apparently they did this program last year lasted about a year where they did pay $1 if you had a hybrid or an Eevee, do you think that the writer would pay more for an Eevee? vehicle? No, it actually says an RV type. They actually get a discount to if they choose it. They gave it they got 50 cents off. All right. I should have highlighted this. So there's some markets that actually has that as a type, but I don't think they do anymore. I go whatever. Says driver. I know I hate doing this. I hate listen to podcasts and people are trying to read basically the the passengers got a discount in the drivers got more. So Uber was just eating the cost. That's cool. It's cool, but

Unknown Speaker 17:07
I'll get rid of this a lot of questions like, what about us? Well, you don't have a hybrid car. Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 17:15
That's exactly what I'm saying. You know how to say somebody? let's say somebody buys a 2020 right now. 20 brand new car. Do you want to do Uber for the next 2020?

Unknown Speaker 17:25
No, selling regular car? How long is the

Unknown Speaker 17:29
like, what's the cutoff for a car right now? In here, riders. So in 10 years, you can't use you can't drive for Uber anymore, is what you're saying? Well, but they see in First of all, if you drive full time, you're gonna pay that baby off in more than two and under 10 years. And it'll be you can write it off as a business expense. Well, they can't they can't drive for Uber regardless, if they bought it now it's 2030 they would have to get into regardless. Your example. Yeah, but what if, if they bought it for 29? Right? What if they don't want to buy an electric car? I'm gonna guess I can't drive for Uber around this article. Exactly. That. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 18:06
that's just a business decision to have to make. Yeah. Can you tilt your mic a little bit towards your mouth? I can try. Is that better? That's beautiful.

Unknown Speaker 18:16
So yeah, I I was gonna ask, do you guys are you guys? Would you guys purchase it? Just I mean, I know the answer is no. I don't even know. I'm asking. Would you purchase it to just drive for Uber? If they said if it was my full time job? I would Yeah. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. But you would what's the what's the percentage of Uber drivers that use Uber as full time? They've always said that it's like a 2%. Yeah, super small amount. I mean, the other thing you got to remember to this tax incentive to to buy a hybrid car. I mean, there's lots of they're innocent. Yeah, but what about these drivers that are that are struggling? As it is? No, I get that. Yeah, yeah, but should they be driving Uber in the first place? Is should this be their Lifeline? I think it's just stupid for Uber to be like, 2030 we're gonna like, what happened to self driving cars like I will be throwing that shit out the window because I thought we were getting to have like three years out, but they decided that's not gonna happen. Well, right. Exactly. They've gone from self driving. We killed somebody to we were going to do ease now.

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I'm sorry, we kill somebody.

Unknown Speaker 19:21
So anyways, apparently you better put your Benny's away because TVs are more expensive even with a tax stuff. It is more expensive because then you got to think charging stations. I mean, charge on an outlet has got charge all night. I mean, I don't know. I think it's gonna be interesting because

Unknown Speaker 19:40
so I was looking at my brother's comment.

Unknown Speaker 19:42
I said, Man, it's one of the one of the one of the largest European delivery companies just announced today that they're moving away from

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gig economy drivers.

Unknown Speaker 19:58
Which company

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Just eat I think it was called

Unknown Speaker 20:03
just bought grub hub. Yeah. Or vice versa. They just announced I think it was today that they're moving away from their drivers being an independent contractors, they're gonna be like full on employees.

Unknown Speaker 20:17
how's that gonna work?

Unknown Speaker 20:19
Oh, that sounds like California, right? Oh, I mean,

Unknown Speaker 20:25
I guess it kind of it depends on on, on how the pay works right? Yeah, I mean, you figure out how to competitive competitively pay the drivers. Well, I think the problem is with,

Unknown Speaker 20:38
you know what we're looking at with prop 22. Okay, I know I'm not completely up on it isn't prop 22. The same as AB five? I thought it was I thought it was too. But anyways, the problem with that is they know how broke Uber, what they claim is. So they're like, that's why a lot of people like us and like, there's no way they're gonna be able to have benefits and like, we know how much we're making. Right? That's why it just, it blows my mind that someone thinks that actually that's gonna work like Uber is just gonna saddle up, you know, sidle up, saddle Seidel said, Get the money, whatever and give it to them. I don't know. It just seems odd to me that even in the European market, I bet. I bet.

Unknown Speaker 21:21
Sam can talk about this. He says, Hey, you got to wait till 945 that's the plan. We just ran 45 got 1519 minutes. What we're gonna say?

Unknown Speaker 21:32
I bet if Uber was to redirect some of their money, though,

Unknown Speaker 21:36
they probably could pay the driver. I mean, they probably could because they're spending How much? millions or even billions of dollars on you know, driverless cars. Technology. The problem is you think they're going to be able to pay the whole world of drivers that way. Are you just talking California?

Unknown Speaker 21:54
Whole world?

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Either a spelling Sam sorry. She says math isn't that guard was like

Unknown Speaker 22:03
Yeah, I don't know. I You're right. It's gonna be interesting. Now for sure. Yeah. You know, electric cars, driverless car. I kind of feel though that the European markets are probably more bro union anyways. I don't know. I feel like that they definitely are. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. The even from

Unknown Speaker 22:23
there's much more taxing. Oh, yeah. The universe, you know, the University gets is free. You know, why am I struggling at what anarchism where you're from reads? Then my Denmark I can my Danish in my head. Danish country? Yes. But that's also a more social country than over here. Right. Right. That's it. I mean, more than Google is illegal. Yeah. In Denmark? Oh, yeah. No, that's crazy. They killed them. Yeah. But they are they have taxis. All right. Well, yeah. But that that's why it's illegal because Uber doesn't want to have to pay the tax that the extra taxes to the government. So all right, let's move on. Moving on. Yes, I'm up talking about a really cool new app that a guy from Wayne County had has developed. I can't talk either. Sorry, it's an Uber of ABS to lend a helping hand. And it's called I need a hand. And it's really cool. Did you do the video? I just Yep. Because of the video. You sent me to screenshot Oh, I know. But you initially you didn't do that. Okay, so it's an article there's a video and the article but that's fine. You didn't get so anyways does you have to do this ever seemed too much to handle If only there was an app for that. And now there is. So it's pretty cool. Michigan in Michigan man Wayne County has developed a new app that connects you with people nearby who are willing to lend a helping hand.

Unknown Speaker 23:43
He did it because he years ago needed a help helping hand to move a mattress.

Unknown Speaker 23:52
And there was no helping hand until you figured out this was a new cool way of doing it. It is really it is just Uber for

Unknown Speaker 24:01
if you need a helping hand, or if you want to be able to give a hand in hand. So basically, the gig workers are the people who are willing to give up that time to you like a hand service to do well. You don't have the doesn't have to be a handyman service. Right? It can be pickup groceries, it can be do X, whatever. So if you pull up the app, this Oh, you have it up. Right now you can see the categories

Unknown Speaker 24:26
that they have on the app is all the things that you can kind of do, but one of them I just signed up today just to kind of to see about one of them is rideshare that I thought was very interesting. You can actually use the I need a hand to be a rideshare driver. Well, it's funny on the other picture, it says rideshare five dial $5 a mile $10 a minute, right that's what he that was this guy out this was a guy downtown Grand Rapids. I'd like to point that out that he was on the map as a I needed a hab driver and I need a hand

Unknown Speaker 25:00
worker good dude. Sorry, I had to get out of my system.

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Five dogma?

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better be more than that regular ride.

Unknown Speaker 25:14
Anyways, buddy bone cause brings up all the normal questions, right? What about insurance? Yeah. What about whose will it bring? It brings up all the insurance for being a handyman. You go to somebody's house didn't one of these apps, like just closed this year? There's a couple of apps like that. I don't know. There was there was another like big one rabbit, or TaskRabbit. There's another like, Tasker, I think, down? Yeah, that's the beginning of COVID. And it was very similar. You'd have somebody come, you know, fix your lights, or, like, you know, do random stuff. Yeah. Now it did say, when I signed up, it says, please be sure to trust the guy who's doing the work. So they apparently don't have because I'm already approved. So they probably don't have like background check or anything I know.

Unknown Speaker 26:08
So there's word, there's something else going on? So you know, I'll always hear saying it's an awesome idea. And yeah, it is. It is certainly a great idea. But there's a couple of things that need to be, you know, covered. Yeah, I don't think that they have those yet. Oh, only that going? I'm gonna go back to that picture. But look at it just some random profile. TJ 222. I'm like, Okay, I'm not, I'm not gonna you know what I mean? Exactly. It doesn't even have a photo of the guy. So I actually signed in with my, and it was pretty easy. I logged in, and I just used my facebook profile to log in and automatically pulled my profile from Facebook. Yeah, I love that. It was very, very easy to sign up. And as I said, I can I can actually start right now to say, I want to work and what what kind of service Do you want to do? That's clear. you mow my lawn? Yeah, I could, but it's gonna cost you $150.

Unknown Speaker 27:03
Just kidding. I'll do it myself.

Unknown Speaker 27:06
Hey, I'm a cheap, man. I'm not cheap. So I said, Oh, yeah. handys are great. Yeah, they're.

Unknown Speaker 27:14
So anyways, I think I mean, just like all the other apps is a great idea. But they really got to get their stuff together. I mean, honestly, you got it. They're probably don't if they're not doing background checks. They don't have any insurance. So it's just basically a platform. here's the here's the question. Did you have to, like, agree to a bunch of legal stuff. Did you read through all that when you signed up? I'm sure there was. I didn't read it. But I don't read it either. Say yes. Except, sure.

Unknown Speaker 27:42
But yeah, but how many people are going to sign up and then but the car accidents say, but the problem is always. They're gonna fight those. Hey, one accident, and some good lawyers gonna fight that term. Yeah. So I have a question. Does this guy from Wayne County, Michigan? Yeah, well, why don't you book an interview with them? Why haven't I don't know.

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Wow, I can.

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What No, I moving on. What is wrong with

Unknown Speaker 28:13
that, but what you meant to say? He's, uh, he's getting back for future possibilities. Right. Well, we should get him on because we can ask him those questions about the insurance and, and all that stuff. It is a good idea. It is a great idea. But there's a bunch of apps out there it's like Tasker or whatever. Right. So we'll we'll we'll keep you updated. Maybe we can get him on the show. All right. Be right so next up, we got a from the local ship shopper group.

Unknown Speaker 28:43
coworker called me last night as she had worst ship experience ever. I told her to call shipped. She did not get half for groceries and two people showed up at her house a girl and her boyfriend or husband not only came to her house, but walk into her house. And we're looking around it scared her to the point. She didn't know what to do as she was home alone. And her son was just killed in a car accident. Three weeks ago normally it's home with her

Unknown Speaker 29:09
now she is scared they know our address Why can't people follow the rules I explained to these report this and a contact me I'll do her order as I feel horrible. This gives us shipped a bad name. Isn't it fun to read stuff verbatim and you don't realize how

Unknown Speaker 29:24
it sounds like you're, you're dumb when you read I've done it too. Like

Unknown Speaker 29:29
I always say okay, this is I'm reading this for verbatim so please write the I didn't type this. Yeah, I mean, that is like I know there's people that in our like group of people that go out and do shops with their family members and friends or whatever.

Unknown Speaker 29:45
At least like just go to the door. One person. Yeah, it does not bother me that I know. It's against the rules. I don't really care, right? I mean, I'm not gonna I'm gonna spend more time just shopping. I'm not gonna worry about what Joe Blow is doing. But you're right. If you are the shopper

Unknown Speaker 30:00
You need to be the one that go right up to the door. I mean, don't enter like, Don't enter the house. No don't Well, a lot of people asked to bring them in. Really? Yeah. And when I actually asked the customer when I received when I was doing, shipped, and instacart it was like, right as COVID was hitting up, so everybody was like, Oh, yeah, we're down the steps. Don't know. Yeah. When I was when I did it last winter, I would say would you like me to bring them in? Or would you like me to leave them here? Yeah. And some of us have the old Betty's want me to bring it in, put it on the counter, which is crazy.

Unknown Speaker 30:32
You know, when we've done it, we've just like, we've actually just grabbed it from them and walked it in ourselves, but so that that's not uncommon to come inside. But yeah, you just Sam says, even if mom and I co shopped. I told mom to stay in the car. Yeah, right. Yeah. We're gonna you just gonna raise bells. And but it's a respect issue too. Right? I mean, what do you mean respect don't walk into the house unless you ask? Well, it doesn't say

Unknown Speaker 31:00
well, it says her now husband, a boyfriend walked into the house. Well, yeah, I guess we don't know if they were asked to come in or if they just walked out. They just walked in without like any, like, That's messed up. Like, why would you want to do that?

Unknown Speaker 31:14
We used to have a couple of times and he every time they we had them. We asked him to put this off in the mudroom. So we but we also have a mudroom. So what? I b ci

Unknown Speaker 31:27
asked me, Mark and you got to do a show. I mean, we got to do it. Let's start another podcast. He's just so effing funny. Jason is bringing stuff in the house of what that's why there's COVID now I got to share that one. I mean, I'm serious. We got to do a show together. It's just got to happen. Um, yeah, just don't walk in people's houses. Just follow the rules. Or you're gonna get a you see that a lot with, like the food deliveries to like, one of the ones we covered a couple weeks ago was the guy with the wings that ate the wings. He wasn't even the driver. Yeah, he was, you know, riding with the driver. That was weird. Yeah, he that was weird and a lot of a lot of different reasons and reverie. Okay, speaking of weird this next video, I'm just gonna play it. Just gonna play it. So why did you Why do you have to take time? I hope we don't get a Hey, Tom from Chicago. Holy cow. I don't think he's ever been on the podcast. tellement telegram group. Oh, let's hope we don't get banned on this Tic Tac. Last one we did. Or but I don't I don't think we will. Here we go. This is awkward. Hello. Hey, welcome to Uber. Can I use this? Yeah, for sure. Go for it.

Unknown Speaker 32:38
Damn, this stuff takes forever to dry. Why would that drive? That's lube. Why would you let me use lube? Oh, I nothing.

Unknown Speaker 32:46
Okay, so for people that are watching or listening just audio. It's basically the guy gets in the car. You hear he hands this hand sanitizer. It's lube. And then you look around and then the guy's like basically wearing boxers. Back box boxers.

Unknown Speaker 33:03
Very funny. Just kind of a lube Luber. louvered Uber for nice sorry, God, y'all I did not have any whiskey tonight. I swear to God, maybe you should have had so yeah, loosening up a little bit pre show on loose. It's just my mouth. A little

Unknown Speaker 33:21
pre show it was the worst and worse than it is now which is almost impossible. All right. Uh, yes, sir. This is hilarious. Here's a tweet. from Dr. goon Dr. Live Dr. I had known him for a little

Unknown Speaker 33:39
Hey, oh, linoleum flooring info is minivan too much a totally necessary first of all, why does this look like all of our childhoods will known him? When we were growing up? First of all I know. Yeah. I do you see how he took the exit took the seats out. I think that's a great idea. Like if you're a full time rideshare driver in a city that has the seasons like

Unknown Speaker 34:07
Michigan, Michigan, where it's snowy City, Michigan gonna have it? Yeah. Yeah. When you have the I meant the like, the four seasons where it's, you know, not just sunny and 80 in California. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I think it's good to do again, I wouldn't do it. No. I think it's a great idea, but I wouldn't do it.

Unknown Speaker 34:27
Like it does look like he took the seats out and install the seat. It says he had it he had it. I don't think he had it installed. I think he did that. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 34:38
hundred percent. He did that. Um, so so far. It looks pretty good, though. I mean, Sam says it looks trashy, I mean, but effective. I mean, yeah, instead of you know, having to shampoo what if somebody pukes.

Unknown Speaker 34:52
Okay, your first thought is, well, a great because it sound linoleum this mop, but if you're driving and somebody pukes it's gonna start yelling

Unknown Speaker 35:00
spreading everywhere. There's no lips anywhere, like you're just a three minute cleanup job for a little bit of puke just turned into 45 minutes of trying to get underneath your seat. So wait, what you're saying what you're saying is use maths. I mean, I think if you put like some cheap mats right there something

Unknown Speaker 35:20
that'd be great. Well the whole point of the like the WeatherTech it's Yeah, it's got lips. So it catches all that in that one spot in. You can just take the mat out but and rinse it with a hole. I don't know. It's kind of funny. It is funny. I just don't know how effective it is. It kind of looks like tile. But yeah, anyways, that's just huge. That's one thing I do not miss. Honestly all. I don't think I'm ever gonna go back to the to a bar stuff like I just, I was struggling with it before COVID just because I was so tired of it. I don't you're gonna have to pay me a lot of money to go out there. I miss it. I mean, how I missed it. I missed the chatter with you guys in the stories and like this drunk be like, I missed that. But I don't miss it happening to me.

Unknown Speaker 36:07
Put it Frank. All right.

Unknown Speaker 36:11
All right, next one. Right. It's me. Yes, sir. From the Uber Eats delivery drivers group. Lucky for me, Jonathan, I've delivered to your complex 1001 times. So john, left a note in the in the order says leave that door. Look for at least to sign and turn in there. Then take your first left up the hill and stay left at the top of the hill. You'll see an open door on your left go in there and up the stairs to the first floor. And then the signs are pointing to my apartment getting murdered. If you do not follow these instructions, exactly. You'll be the 1,000th driver to get lost trying to find me because they thought they didn't need instructions.

Unknown Speaker 36:54
I mean, that's pretty specific. very specific. Sam be nice. That's not nice. I'm gonna ban you. Um, I actually appreciate the instructions I actually do. Right? But I don't like how he added if you don't follow these instructions because it probably does happen and he probably gets annoyed by the text and the phone calls. Just I read those instructions I follow him I always follow the instructions. I don't try to like not listen to what but don't think there's a lot of people who don't care. Yeah, that's the problem. Right and that's probably why he does it. Absolutely. Now that one night I was out and I actually did do some deliveries I wish I had instructions that night because Holy smokes I couldn't find nows and it was just getting back in the house numbers forget about it right we got to deliver to your Creek no this was like this was like them not do that. No, no, no, no Don't do it. I didn't this was like the cheap the cheap houses behind drill Creek. I thought those are more expensive. I don't know how to find slopes. Yeah, they don't they look more a little more expensive. But yeah, you cannot tell you cannot find the house numbers and those things no offense anyone that lives in Alpine slopes or your Creek no there's lots of offense

Unknown Speaker 38:12
over there looking like he's I don't know find a singing Chocolate Rain he lost me Chocolate Rain you lost me there no more podcasts Mark I'm out.

Unknown Speaker 38:23
No, that is a good thing to bring up for a tip if you are driving at night bring a bring a spotlight

Unknown Speaker 38:30
it's it's tough. I it boggles my mind. How many people don't have their address, at least on their mailbox. Granted I don't have mine on my house. I don't and we move boggles my mind how many people don't have theirs. I don't have mine. Well, I don't have it on my house. I have it on my mailbox. Okay. Yeah. We always say we're going to do it. We never do it because we have to

Unknown Speaker 38:50
nail it on the wall. It's concrete like we have on either side. So it's like you gotta get the special drill bed and it's just like, I'm not gonna bother. I put new house numbers on my mailbox did a good job. My minor little faded. The nice ones that the reflective and well, all you need is something little because everyone has GPS. It'll get you close. Yeah, exactly. You just need to be able to tell that there. See what Sam said about Grand Valley. Yeah, you see their announcement today? Yeah. Shelter in Place. They've had 740 positive since August 1. Oh, Chris. You better go get tested, bro. Yeah, it wasn't Chris doing some like Uber Eats or something out there. Yeah, he was a couple days ago. Yeah. Oh, man. That's crazy. All right. Speaking of not crazy. Our newest sponsor, oil Luber. Yay, the it stayed up there. They are an on demand oil change company. So you don't want to bring it to Irvine. So have them do it have oil. Oh, yeah. Like you're eating like I just realized, competing sponsors. That's okay. Everyone's don't really want the oil change. No. They don't know why.

Unknown Speaker 40:00
They do because they get to see what else is broken and see if they can fix it. But yes, go to oil Luber on Facebook and follow them and go to oil Luber calm for to sign up for an oil change. They also looking for tax but you know we got to get I can barely change a tire so I'm not saying no, no, it's not that hard, bro. I can barely change I can change a tire. Didn't you swap out this alternator, the alternator? Um, I would never tackle that. So you're one of those right on the top though. So it was Yeah, but you got to get a tensioning like thing erdinger like you don't get to rent a tool to like,

Unknown Speaker 40:36
take the valve on and off. I decided

Unknown Speaker 40:40
maybe that's my car. Oh my god. Sweet Jesus. Right in the middle of this ad please go revise get fixed. Oil Uber. Yes. So they're new out of Ann Arbor. In the next couple of weeks. We're gonna sit down with Brian from oil Luber gas. And he's going to talk about the company. It's a startup. Super cool idea. It's a great idea. cool idea. So yeah, you can follow them on Facebook, go to oil to sign up for,

Unknown Speaker 41:08
you know, to get an oil change. And the prices are pretty competitive. Now they are a little higher on conventional but I mean, they're coming to your house. Right? Right. But for synthetic, they're right with Mark, this is perfect for you because you don't wanna leave the house. So right. All you got to do is pop the hood. Yeah. And if you do want to be attacked, it's all lined up as well. You just go to the closest Which one?

Unknown Speaker 41:32
What, what changes AutoZone to pick up the stuff and you do it. Yeah, that's great. Um, they they are down, they got it down. They're coming soon with tire changes and emergency services, which I'm gonna sign up for that for sure. Because I'll keep a jump box in my car. And like, if I get a notification, I'll be like, Alright, I'm gonna do that for 20 bucks or whatever, whatever it is. Especially if it's slow. So yeah, I'm super excited that they partnered with us and they trusted us to get their word out. So please go sign up if you need an oil change. Shoot, if I needed one right now I would do it. But I don't need one right now. It's at 100% so I need I need one of the black car. You do? Get er done. Get er done. I don't know if there's any. drive it enough.

Unknown Speaker 42:19
I don't ever leave my house. If it needs to be done. You need to get it done. Yeah, but anyways, so yeah, go to oil for more information and follow them on Facebook, because it is a piece of shit.

Unknown Speaker 42:34
And it's a Mazda which is disappointing. Because I didn't treat it nice. Alright, yes, there's that. Yes. Buzz up. So someone Yes. First pissed car. That's how I titled it.

Unknown Speaker 42:47
Someone said my car smells like piss. I couldn't believe it. It's been a whole week since I urinated all over my seat cuz restaurants wouldn't let me use the bathrooms. I used reprise and everything. And she was wearing a mask too. How could she tell? It's not febreeze it's five breweries. That's how she spelled it. It's far breeze. Okay, so my my immediate comment, of course was why didn't he use a bottle? Right? Yeah, don't be a savage. I mean, why?

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It's just I when I read that, are you gonna see pee in a bottle? Yeah, no. Right. So yeah, and he probably had cloth seats. So what a fucking dump. Right My gosh. So Jason, like the point that Jason uses the bottles with the bigger the bigger opening so he doesn't have a problem? Yeah, the Powerade ones are a little small for me. So I used the Gatorade ones and they fit just perfect.

Unknown Speaker 43:41
And then he leaves them in there when he takes a kind to get detailed and then they throw it away fire him

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that happened one time one time

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no one gets it oh man

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who wrote us a bottle lol under that. I did. All right. All right beat we got a video alright, so this next video Sorry, I couldn't believe you gave it to me. That's why I did right. So this next video is of a Uber Lyft driver. I'm not sure which one it was. But he takes his family on a ride and

Unknown Speaker 44:19
well the guy tries to steal his tablet so I rewatch I added it because the first part of it was Yeah, it was a long intro so I edited edit. You can't say that I edited it. edited it out. I added some right didn't edit I just started a certain time. But I want you to focus on the little girl because that will make you even go Holy shit, not him because I mean you can do both. Maybe We'll play it twice. This is very long, but it's it's kind of hilarious. So

Unknown Speaker 45:05
She captures mom's legs and points.

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They looked at you. All right, they grabs the tablet.

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Now he's just holding on to it.

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She taps her dad.

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So they're just kind of slowing down here. He's got the tablet in his hand right now.

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Now he's putting in his pants.

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The daughters like

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what is my dad doing?

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What a piece of shit in front of his kid.

Unknown Speaker 45:53
I never noticed notice the daughter when I watched it. Probably not the first time though. I'm going. I need to. I need to solve it.

Unknown Speaker 46:04
I don't know why you would do that man. You're literally on camera, right?

Unknown Speaker 46:15
Even if he did take it, it's literally I just found my tablet. tablet.

Unknown Speaker 46:21
That's somebody else's. Someone else's.

Unknown Speaker 46:26
And he took the up. He took that phone too.

Unknown Speaker 46:30
So basically, it was hard to hear. Yes, sir. Started interrupting but I yelled at him. Okay. Let's go back to the main screen. Sorry about that. Like how my brothers thinking. He took he took the phone.

Unknown Speaker 46:43
And it wasn't even his phone. He's like, Nah, my phone and he took the phone so the guy was gonna steal the tablet. And then take the phone. No, she didn't need to be in a car seat. Maybe a booster? Maybe? But I don't even think she had a seatbelt. Well, that's not the big. Who cares? We're not talking about that right now. God damn it at all, man.

Unknown Speaker 47:02
We're not talking about car seats right now. But anyways, it was just weird. Like, right? You're really stealing a $60 tablet like the other the other thing I thought that was weird was he obviously had a fake leg as well.

Unknown Speaker 47:18
So how is he gonna run a run away? How? Wait, wait a minute. Yeah, fake leg didn't catch that. Yeah, I will spin all over Mike. He was probably a veteran or something. And so yeah, he I mean, who knows what he worked, but he had he How was he gonna run with that? Well, they can run there. I mean, though, I know they can but not that fast. What about blade guy that from? Well, yes, but that was not what it was. Man.

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There's just so many things wrong. I need to I need to

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do the through

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pegleg I don't know why you would do that man. yet. It's hard to hear with all the masculine tags. pegleg you guys.

Unknown Speaker 48:07
Even if he did take it, I didn't even notice that. Like it's not my tablet company tablet.

Unknown Speaker 48:13
That's somebody else's. Someone else's. All right. I'll take it.

Unknown Speaker 48:19
Daily Damn. thing, man, we we missed a lot. Like I didn't even notice the pegleg That's terrible. Jason. Well, it's just me doing what's going on Dennis? More than anything. It's like, why is he doing this at all? Why is he doing in front of his daughter? Right? Like, there's so many things wrong. Yeah. Hey, y'all. If you're in the Uber, chances are they have a dash cam. So yeah, just saying don't have a dash cam. They should should always have a dash Tam dash cam. And if you have a dash cam have a little extra money. We'd love to have you as a Patreon member. Go to gig economy. Nope. Go to slash gig economy podcast. No gig econ pod.

Unknown Speaker 49:02
I had such a good transition to It's like my goal to do transit a gig econ podcast. Yes. And we haven't had one in a while. We need someone on there you get behind the scenes.

Unknown Speaker 49:14
We can do behind the scenes video to Jana. Did you get your merge? Oh, yeah, that's right. I haven't heard from me. I'm on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, if you go to slash the giggy con podcast you get behind the scenes. You get an extra podcast a month, which we have to schedule that y'all. And you get some merge. And we send it all over the world guys. Yeah, we international you'll get the merge. Yeah, we send it to New Zealand. We don't know when it's going to get there. But yeah, we would love to have a new

Unknown Speaker 49:46
What am I saying? Hey, timer number. Yeah, we haven't had one in a while. And we appreciate those that are members because it really helps pay the bills and all that fun stuff and your buys Yes. For whiskey and

Unknown Speaker 50:00
No, I'm just kidding. Doesn't I make them by that? Joan? Did you skip your own Walmart thing? I sure did. I sure did. Yes, bird that is my mo if it's not in XSplit I fucking skip it.

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So, Sean Tucker to answer your question.

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He said he doesn't have one. I'm trying to find the right one. The right one, by most people's accounts is the vantrue. T two

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into two. And yeah, there's a new one that we're reviewing right now. I that's the T four, right? The one and four and two and four. The one we're reviewing. Um, yeah, it definitely is. I think it basically it is a little bit better camera, but it actually has a third camera in the back, which is kind of cool. So like if someone rear end to it really does nothing for your in cab. So I mean, it's like, it's just more for your outside protection if and choose what you need. At the very least, right and at least yesterday, there was a $30 coupon. So yeah.

Unknown Speaker 51:06
Right. And Mike, Jason already have several hats. I have the hats.

Unknown Speaker 51:12
I have it. It just doesn't fit right. I don't know. It's not a Brady, maybe not Brandon, Bill and Bill. So we need to trim your man bun. Yeah, maybe I need to trim this frickin beard.

Unknown Speaker 51:26
And I'm like, no one's from a beard. You may have to look at YouTube and figure out how to do it. She's like, Yeah, I don't think so. Daniel says he'll be a member soon enough. Come on, Daniel. Do it tonight. You can do it. 10 bucks. You get some free merge to I had that probably will fit your head. unicorn level. There you go. Yep. Come on, Daniel. All right. So go back to my article, which isn't, you know, it's whatever. But it's like all these damn apps. Shut up. Sam. abandoned her. That's it. So Walmart is launching a service to compete with Amazon Prime.

Unknown Speaker 52:02
And they're gonna offer for $98 for an annual membership. You get groceries in store items delivered same day. So Amazon hasn't. I mean, they do that in some markets and the new store in Gaines township is supposed to offer that but I don't know because of COVID maybe they're not doing it yet. But they're supposed to offer same day delivery. Like if you place an order. You're supposed to get it within two hours. I got I order sorry. I ordered a vibrator. vibrator. I ordered a electronic food scale. You trying to lose some weight fast? No. I was doing some bacon weed and not weed.

Unknown Speaker 52:39
And it was supposed to take a week. I didn't even use MX I don't have amazon prime. I just have regular Amazon got there in two days. No shit. You know what really impressed me.

Unknown Speaker 52:49
I bought a new handle for my sliding porch door. Right.

Unknown Speaker 52:55
And I put door after five o'clock and I headed the next day. Wow. Yeah, I mean, that's probably coming from somewhere in Flint. Or, like, it was like, it wasn't it was. I mean, it wasn't like something I don't think that many people are ordering handles for signing for Well, yeah, that is crazy. Cuz you that must be on the stock must have been stocked in Michigan. I know. Of course. I mean, which is bizarre. It's like, well, it's a pretty common slider. I was on Labor Day delivered it on Labor Day.

Unknown Speaker 53:27
Holy shit. I mean, I love Amazon. I do feel bad how they do. I mean, they can work. I always look at people that say, Oh, you feel bad for the Walmart employee. But they choose to work there. They there's plenty of other jobs, they can go there. I'm not saying it's okay. For the for a company to mistreat somebody. I'm not saying that at all. But I do feel bad for about the employees inside the factory. Because they work them like dogs like, Hey, I mean, they time their bathroom breaks. Like I've seen a few leaked videos of what they have to do. It's nuts, how fast they have to work and it's all day. It's constantly that's why you get your package the next day, but I still want the package right? I know.

Unknown Speaker 54:06
But anyways, um, what am I doing here? Oh, yeah. So currently Walmart offers home. Thanks me. Currently, well, Walmart offers home delivery from about 27 nurseries using companies like Postmates doordash rhodian point pickup. I don't know point that GM obviously around here. But customers haven't been promised same day or even two day delivery like Amazon Prime.

Unknown Speaker 54:28
Walmart plus is out to change that beginning September 15.

Unknown Speaker 54:32
So go like to get out of the crowd. We highly recommend you sign up for Postmates instacart and doordash. But yeah, I think it's 9898 bucks. Yeah, it's an Amazon. It's more it's Yeah, amazon prime is what 50 bucks right or 59 or something knows that prime is like 120 Oh, go Yeah, but listen this you get that streaming service, you know, with Amazon Prime. Oh, you get and you get the music service with Amazon Prime. It's not

Unknown Speaker 55:00
mean and y'all Amazon podcast launch day and beyond it's on there um yeah it uh it's great Amazon is it's worth it I think amazon prime did i when i got we've been in member since I know 2008 maybe and it was under 100 bucks so they've really they've raised it some but I mean it's so worth it if you don't get a lot shipped obviously not but we buy all the time I know you do. I mean it's it's addicting you have to be careful though. You can spend a lot of shit and in a real hurry I have I'm sad to get in trouble for that. I have gotten in trouble for that and I am I have to be careful brand new microphones No, I bought those from Sweetwater tried to support the local business and these he got it approved before he did it. I don't need nothing to prove I

Unknown Speaker 55:54
know anyways, Alright guys, the next one I give you I didn't go to my picture.

Unknown Speaker 56:01
Amazon uses former government agents to spy on workers. Tell them what site you got this from beat world socialist website. ws I love it. I added I did this for I set up the the rundown. I'm like, I'm gonna give this up. I'm gonna see how long it takes before he says something about the website it's coming from. Because I looked at it too. I'm like, I'll just seems shady as shit. But I skim through the thing. And

Unknown Speaker 56:30
I don't think Amazon is doing much different than any other company. I mean, a lot of companies are hiring. Yeah, you know,

Unknown Speaker 56:38
people to review their data about employees and what they're doing and everything. But the the people that they hired are going through a lot of data. This I guess, like so level seven is what they were saying, I guess Jeff Bezos, Bezos, whatever, he's level 12. So a lot of people, all their information is going

Unknown Speaker 57:04
being checked.

Unknown Speaker 57:07
Isn't the article about I thought the article was more about them spying in Facebook groups and stuff like that? Yeah, it's they're going through like social media accounts, like looking through

Unknown Speaker 57:19
tracking and worker's productivity.

Unknown Speaker 57:25
Kinda like what you were talking about, like timing, their breaks and their lunches and yeah, their bathroom breaks. Yeah. I guess the whole point of where where I wanted to add this article is just like when you're in your Facebook groups, just be aware that there's probably people and maybe people don't maybe people realize that I don't know. But I don't think it's just Amazon. I think it's no no Uber Lyft. Now instacart like there's employees in there. So just be careful what you say in those groups and, and who you're messaging but

Unknown Speaker 57:54
they said that in July 2018 there were seven companies are seven posts looking for positions like that. And as of September 8 of 2020, there's 46 companies that are hiring really, people like that to like dig through social media and get all that data together. So Damn, you're being watched, always being watched? Absolutely. So I need to take a little bit of a sidebar about

Unknown Speaker 58:25
Keith actually, the shirt that he bought he shared it in the group so nice. Hold on a second. I have to do something I have to do this live so you're gonna see a blank screen in a minute but just hang tight.

Unknown Speaker 58:37
Let's hope it doesn't crash

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talks amongst you so I was talking talking talking. It is a pretty interesting article. But there you go.

Unknown Speaker 58:53
Yours truly design that shirt. Nice. So I had a bunch of other like, a like things around it like designing and it wouldn't let me print it because it was like copyrighted or something like that. But that was from Keith. The one guy that bought a shirt the old school logo. Those are looking right now. That's the old school logo. Yes. Yeah, I will tip you in the app. I can't believe he bought it that Ah, that's awesome. Anyways, he he's the one who bought it. He's the one because like I don't count it there's the $2 is still in there. It was like $2 and 16 cents. You know, you have to have $10 to pay out. Oh shit, but we do. We are thinking about having some merged done and haven't done much better. So yes, for sure. We're in the process. By Design a Jason won't design the next one. Thank God. Uh, okay. So this kind of has to do with AB five and, and I just thought this was kind of funny. And the prop 22

Unknown Speaker 59:54
if Uber says vote yes, vote yes, you morons. That's the title. I thought the dumbest people

Unknown Speaker 1:00:00
On earth or on tik tok, or YouTube when I was wrong the dumbest are an Uber threads on Reddit Fucking hell, I don't even want any benefits or any of those other offers that they are presenting we still pay for those things like any job I want to be a subcontractor. I would like rates as high as possible only but these morons want even more they think will be full time employees making bank for waiting in the parking lot for a ride to ping. They won't they will not be hired most of them dumb Fox fuck these idiots running a good thing for most people who like the fact that you can turn on and off Uber when you want. What the fuck is wrong with these morons? Are they being brainwashed by lawyers? Bloody Fucking hell, and they dropped the mic and left. I mean, that's great. That's great. And that's kind of how we feel. But we just didn't say it that way.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:49
You're not going to get all that shit. Like, nope, stop. Stop.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:56
So are you voting? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
So what you're saying is what you're saying is they're all effing morons. Right? And Sam is struggling today with the typing. Oh, yeah, I think she's drunk. I mean, she was half nude in the in the video.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:12
I wish I could get her audio to work. Oh, shit. That was funny.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:17
What do we got next? Yes, for earnings. This I thought this was interesting.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:23
Yeah, looked at this. Hi. No, I thought it was. Okay. So anyways, we estimated earnings using data from Orlando, Florida drivers who drove in the past four weeks is particularly difficult to predict driving patterns due to COVID-19. So actual earnings may greatly differ from estimates.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:41
And so they this person drove on 50 hours and made $684 which include 57,000 tips.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:52
I don't think that's worth 50 hours worth of work. Yeah, that what I'm bringing up is is now this was during COVID. But that I have Have you gotten any of these estimates at all in your app or email? No, I haven't either. You made 684 for 50 hours. Wow. That's a lot of work. But it didn't have that you can see in the picture. It didn't have the includes deliveries with Uber Eats. I just thought it was interesting. That's a whopping $13 and 70 cents an hour. If you have 50. Also $57 in tips, like 50 hours of driving. That is the worst. I mean, I get it. That is like an example. But it's an estimate. But man, I don't think I know a lot of people posting on the group's the local groups that they're estimates have been coming in or they're blank. Oh, really? Yeah. I've never I've never gotten one. Well, I'm not driving. I'm not driving passengers. Maybe that's why.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:54
Yeah. That's crazy. That's ridiculous. That's way, way. Christopher says he drove 30 hours on Lyft. And he made 1032 cents, Chris. I mean, it's pretty good. It's possible. Yeah. I mean, depending what market you're in, even with COVID. I mean, there's a lot of markets that are up back and running. You know, not us, not with Grand Valley. Holy shit, like now even if the bars were open.

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We would be getting nothing. So don't plan a

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It's my favorite. All right. So

Unknown Speaker 1:03:32
this is just kind of for newbies. I know all of you that are on the live chat right now. Listen, our podcasts are not stupid. I just received an Uber.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:42
I just said not that stupid. And I just received an email from Uber asking me to become an ambassador. They said that I've been so great and that I'm qualified to make over 100 $1 50 per mile from now on. It's nice to feel appreciated. Hmm. I mean, there's a sucker born every minute. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 1:04:06
I could be I could have egg in my face. Maybe this is legit. I've never heard of it. I'm not saying we know everything about everything. But I've never heard of it. Nope. Someone said I got an email like that last week. You didn't pay any attention to it sounded like bs to me. Did you call the phone number they listed? And then the next comment was what market are you in? What else did they say? The program involves? There's a lot of scammers out there. There's a sucker every day. And I'm not saying it isn't true. Because I don't know. I didn't research it. I saw it on Reddit and I just, you know, whatever. But the tip basically is just saying, just be aware. There's people out there trying to get your money out and try it. They'll try really hard and do a great job, real job. They will know things about you that you should do you think to yourself, they probably should, you know they're probably the jet they know this stuff. So and please remember that Uber support will never text you and they will never call you. Yeah. Unless you're

Unknown Speaker 1:05:00
Unless it's you know, you have initiated it. Yeah. Sandberg brings up a good point I'd call Uber directly NASA about I mean, you're gonna wait on line for like 60 minutes, but if you got nothing else to do, you might as well call. But yeah, that's only Sam. They'll have to. Yeah, she I mean, she's talked so much on this FM podcast. She should have been sitting here talking shit instead she's talking shit from her phone, but she didn't have phone didn't have time that pisses me off. I should have I should have tested that out. Okay, pisses me off. Okay, we need to get past this next one because I'm starting to hyperventilate, just thinking about it. Which one, though? Your next up one. All right. So we're gonna do social media shenanigans and get out of this sucker. I don't even think I have Oh, alright. So the first one up says, oh, boy, I can't read it. So it's a picture for people that are listening, have these giant steps and they're in Grand Rapids. And basically people walk up and down them run up and down them for exercise. And it's tough. I mean, what do you think there's probably what? 400 steps or no, maybe not 400? There's maybe 150. But it says, so there's more than 150? Thanks. Oh, yeah. So there's a guy in a fighter stance. And I know the audio people can't hear that or see that. But he's in a fighter stance. And the comment says, I'll leave you a nice tip. If you bring my food to the door at the top of the stairs and watch out for the dude halfway up. He'll want to fight you. Thanks, Mary. It's just kind of funny. The guy like I said, if you can, I tried to zoom in a little bit, but he's in a fighter position. Yeah, I think he's doing the rocky

Unknown Speaker 1:06:38
That's hilarious. Yeah. I just thought it was funny. Now my wife and I and kids tried this.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:45
And it it. It didn't seem like it was gonna be that bad. We didn't run. I walked. I was gassed when I got to the top like, I just walked him up just a normal pace. I need to sit down and take a break. Just looking at this picture. Well, we know you don't go outside.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:02
Oh, that's hilarious when he

Unknown Speaker 1:07:06
spurs Oh question. I was looking at my Uber driver profile. And I see everything is in English, but where the compliment icons are. It's in a different language. Why is that? It never looked like it's not really funny. It's just bizarre if you if you look below that. Everything since Spanish, but her profile and everything. My guess is for some reason her app thought this he was in Spanish, like her app on her phone was in Spanish. But why is everything else the same? Because that's just data from her profile. She put in that data? Ah, the other the other stuff? Well, you would think that when she gets a request that it would come up in Spanish to correct the trips. She doesn't put in though 22,873 trips over two years. That's true. She didn't but that's true ma'am. knows. It's kind of interesting.

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Auto limp

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Auto limpio Come on

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the program. Why is he Esper whispering I don't know. I'm not whispering? Is he quiet?

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He likes to whisper

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he wants to do the whisper sound with a handy

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know he doesn't sharing with you all this awkward moment I had with my member today. I think she was thankful for the door drop off. That was bad since that's that. Yeah. When you read it, you read it verbatim. You're like I don't best laugh I had all day. So she the the passenger or the customer says we can try that flavor. Sure. Naturally, who gets cast? He had a reasonable hour. How are your nipples?

Unknown Speaker 1:08:50
And so the the Dasher says sends back a question mark. And then the customer says oh gosh, I'm so sorry. Best Friend with new baby. Oh my god. That's very embarrassing. And I apologize.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:03
I'm sure that happens on a daily basis. How are your nipple? nipple Nye asking how are your nipples but like

Unknown Speaker 1:09:10
texting the wrong How would you answer that question? If you got that. How are my nipples? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:15
They're a little they're a little firm. Would you say they're a little hard right now? They

Unknown Speaker 1:09:20
would be hilarious look like little grapes that says that an Android phone that looks so weird. That text messaging? I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:28
It just looks weird. Is that what your text looks like with those stupid little red lines? And no, because this is not this is not this is not using the Android to standard text app. This I think this might be the Verizon text app. That looks to me like the Facebook Messenger. No, well, this is the bottom that's Facebook icons on the bottom bro. Were the very but the

Unknown Speaker 1:09:54
I'm not seeing your eye cut out. I'm not looking at either that or they screenshotted it from somebody. Oh yeah. It's a

Unknown Speaker 1:10:00
screenshot that's not sorry. I cut it off on XSplit so I didn't know what you're looking at. But anyways,

Unknown Speaker 1:10:06
Sam says her nipples are fine. They're fine. Well, you were nude. I mean, we know that so

Unknown Speaker 1:10:17
what do you think about the show? Yes For I thought it was a little bit of a dumpster fire but it was a dumpster fire.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:24
I escalated quickly. Wow. No, it was a good show. It was a little bit rough. A little bit of a dumpster fire on the area. That was a good reaction show dumpster fire. Again, check out our sponsors Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid, the studio sponsor and then of course oil over oil to sign up as a tech or for teacher oil change. Yep, what else we got?

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We got anything coming up exciting. potential new sponsor,

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automotive related What could it be?

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This sponsor could partner was someone of another sponsor that I just mentioned. Who is it? which one could it be?

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Anyways, thank you so much guys for staying on. And remember, we are always looking for new Patreon Thank you so much.

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we're always I was like, Okay isn't gonna say sponsors is you're gonna say we're always looking for new Patreon. I just was like he looked right at you in the eyes. Yeah, it was a little sexy Lodi for new sponsors, Patreon.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:35
Everyone check the nipples. My pits are wet my nipples are saw. What does that mean? My pregnant. Okay.

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Sweet Jesus, Jason. Bye bye.

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Welcome to the GR Rideshare Adventures podcast rideshare infotainment for the new driver, old driver and everyone in between. This beautiful studio is sponsored by Irvine's Auto Repair in Grand Rapids hybrid. We thank them so much for sponsoring our show in the studio. Thank you. So we are Jason and yes for and P and we are down a member tonight and Sam is just not feeling well. So we're gonna try to do it without her. I'm not sure if we can But we're gonna try so she said headache. Yeah, Sam's working her butt off. I think this is a shock to her system with corporate america

corporate america corporate shill. I think

it's good for at least you knows you ever had right?

Has a head to mouth. I need a quick I need a crickets one for ya.

So let's, uh Yeah, I just introduced you guys. That's my job. And we're just gonna jump into the stories because that's what y'all like to talk about. And we're always open to hear your stories. You know, if you got a good one, we'd love to hear it. You can always email us. Yes, we're doesn't have much this week. But um, so I'll just start. I had we had winter beer Fest, which was really good. I didn't drive during the day. I did clean up that night. So I wouldn't I don't know. I was recording doing something that day. But so I picked this guy up and he's going to the ballpark and he He's a little tipsy. And I'm like, Okay, all right. I was like, are you going to meet somebody there? He's like, no, my car's there. I'm like, okay.

So, remember that.

So we're kind of going down the road after about maybe three or four minutes. I'm like, man, are you sure? Like maybe I just think maybe you've had I mean, it smelled like a brewery in there. It did smell like a brewery. So I'm like, dude, I think. I don't know. It's just not a good idea. So we keep going. I tell them one more time. I'm like, maybe just grab a hotel room. I don't sleep it off in your car. I mean, technically, you can still get caught for drunk driving. The keys are in the trunk or something. I don't know. I don't drink and drive. So. But so we get there. And he's like, Yeah, I don't quite remember where I parked. So at the ballpark. Right. So he worked for a brewery so he had been there all day. So the must have gone out with his buddies downtown GR. So we start driving and we go around the back side of the ballpark is you know, maybe people aren't listening, you know? And then he's like, I'll just keep going in the back. So we're We're going we go through the parking lot, we get to the gravel way in the back. We keep going. He's like, not keep going. I'm like, this is the end of the road, like by the bridge. Yeah. Well by that, like, that landscape company that at the end there, yeah. And it's like this. We're at the end of the road and he's like, Oh, no, I meant you had to go all the way around. I'm like, okay, you said, keep going back. So there's another indication that he's had too much to drink. So we turn around and he's like, no, it's this way. So I was like, Okay, this this row right here. I'm pointing to me. It's like, yeah, I start turning. He goes, No, it's over. Here I go, this ride is done. And I said, you're gonna have to walk the rest of the way. But I felt really guilty. I should have followed up on a drunk guy. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're in the ballpark. I mean, heaven forbid, he has to walk around. I was just tired of him because he wasn't gonna listen to me. Right. He wasn't gonna sleep it off. He was gonna drive and I'm, I'm, I don't know, I don't know what you guys would have done. I probably should have got his plate number and then there was no cops. But of course, as I'm pulling out of the ballpark heading to my next ride, there was a cop about a quarter mile down to sit down. Yeah, I didn't stop. But

it's only happened to me once that I had somebody drunk in my car was gonna go drive. And you know, I still wish I would call the cops on I

know. I find it to be it's a tough spot to be in I felt real guilty of not looking at his car and his plate but he would piss me off at that point. I just wanted my Oh yeah, by the way, this is gonna be an explicit podcast From now on, we've changed everything. So if I mean we're not gonna go for broke saying Fuck, but we're gonna just let you know what I'm saying. Fuck. Okay. Yeah. So just to let everyone know, sorry not say for kids anymore. After our last video that it said the effort. Remember that last one towards the end of the pocket? I was like, Alright, I'm not beeping these out. We're just gonna make an explicit so it's not for kids. But, uh, I wanted him out of my car. And so I but I did feel real guilty. Yeah. So what would I mean? Well, I was I mean, clearly you've had the same it was three years ago.

It's pretty. I mean, I've only been a rideshare driver for about it. Yeah, that's true. And I was in my black car, and I picked up these two girls. Wait a minute you

you bird with that Mazda I did

that. I never told you the story at one time.

Oh yeah, the basketball player. I

picked up three Knicks player. Yeah, my mocks.

Yeah, that's right. How

about the one that's parked outside, right? Yeah, that was before it's all doing don't pick three. Next player. Yes.

seven foot three mix player.

I don't even know how that's possible because I picked up a couple of dry players from the Delta hotel on the beltline. 28 Yeah. And I have a bigger car and they still were cramped.

They were crammed in there.

They probably needed some massage I haven't seen

all the way back right. I actually I used to drive with the master. I used to drive with the seat. And then I was a little bit cramped when I drove I gotta be honest. Just to give them a little bit more room, but they were only going I mean, it was probably a two minute ride. I picked him up with beat ups. Surprise. I know.


And I drove them over to the hotel. One parallel so it was,

yeah, it was a very quick ride. But anyways, get back to your drunk.

So yes, I agree to two girls and one of them was not the drive on she was not drunk. But yeah one was what's the drive on? She was in no position to drive but she couldn't go home without the car because something about her parents not knowing yet the cause I don't know what it was. Well, I thought it was just and I was I dropped them off. It was the apartment complex up behind Wendy's up on Lake Michigan drive a truck move there. Yep. And and I just feel so bad. I felt so bad for not calling the cops on him. I mean, today I still think about him like, Well, why did what what would have happened had something happened, you know? It just you just never know. Yeah, it's but it

well, I talked to Megan about my wife about liability and she's like, you wouldn't be liable. I said, Yeah, but

a bartender's are liable.

Exactly. But I think their license says you have a legal duty to not over serve. So I think that's part of them, they probably have training to their bartenders to get that license. So we don't really have a legal obligation to stop somebody. This guy wasn't going to stop anyways. I mean, he lived like Way up north in Mount Pleasant. I mean, I didn't even offer to take him up there

because like he would have said no way but now it's been would have taken me Oh, no, he would have taken him out.

He would have done it for free. He would have done it for free. So a couple other things.

I'll go to the sad one first. I was having a I will stop swearing again. I was having a shitty day with with miners, as I'm not going to talk about today because whatever I made a video I haven't posted it yet. But um, and I picked this in you. You heard me bitch, and like I was just I was just at my wit's end. I had like four miners in a row. So yeah, I remember that too. Yeah. So um, then I picked this lady up and she gets in and like One minute in, she's like, I'm so sorry. I just found out some terrible news. My cousin just shot himself this morning and he's dead. And I was like, oh man, and she just lost it. So it was a really eye opening. I teared up whether it's hard not to you know, especially when that when the emotions are so raw, like it's it just happened like within the last couple hours, she just found out. And it just, it kind of put things in perspective. Like, it's not that bad. Jason, you had a few miners. It's not your problem, just move on. But we connected we talked about Grand Rapids a little bit. It was a shorter, shorter ride, but I remember her name, her name is Ashley. So hopefully things are looking up for her. And then the last one, I had a customer buy me breakfast in the morning. It was I mean wasn't Wendy's. No, it wasn't I had Wendy's yet. I have not but I went to the drive thru the day with somebody and she did not offer and I was fussy because I said that chicken sandwich looks real good in it. Have nothing but crickets in the background. So, yeah, so she didn't bite But no, it was, uh, I don't know it was McDonald's and then it's like, I didn't add I never asked. And usually I turned it down. I was like, no way. I'm hungry. I know. I'm not getting a tip from her. I'm taking the sausage biscuit or whatever. So that was kind of cool. I absolutely I don't have that often. I don't do drive throughs at night. I know y'all don't either. So it was in the morning. It's like, like

I did do one Saturday night, because it was the taco bell on Lake Michigan drive. And like stand down. Okay, it was slow. Oh, nobody in line. So they

were close. Now I have to do.

It was probably it wasn't after two. Oh, it was probably like, one o'clock or so.

Okay, that makes sense.

All right, Pete. I know you had a rough Saturday, so yeah, yesterday doesn't have shit.

Oh, you do actually have something. We made a lot of money. You did a ton of comforts. Next.

Hashtag comfort. comfortable. Come for gang. That's right. I saw that. You're so rude. Okay, go ahead. Oh no. It'll be over in 20 seconds he

can do it. No, it's fine. It's fine.

I'm mad now.

My story is I don't have any good stories. I just had a rough Saturday. It was like minor city and kids without car seats just all day. And it wasn't like normally

Saturday it was minors. Yeah.

All day. What was

going on that you know, I don't know. Was it the like the winter snow fast dance or? No, that was like last week before

but socks the all of the the people who had kids and no car seats were just angry and just cussing and it was I think I called lift. Three times. Why passengers? Why are you calling them

Well, I mean through the app.

Yeah. What are you doing through the

app? Oh, come on. We didn't have Carsey

but don't why you just get your five enroll

because they were so angry I didn't want to stick around there.

Oh, she Okay. Did you get your five Yeah. Oh really? Yeah. What do you like a diamond bits for lift two.

But I thought isn't that there's this in some markets the legal right. A dry writer a rage for lift is 16 I was reading the terms conditions and there was something about in some cases, you can actually have a writer account and be legal with as your 16 I guess you know what, I don't know. I've always just assumed it was 18. Right. And it certainly isn't all my good I know that but there's there's a certain type of writer account what if you're 16 you're fine.

Well, that'd be one of those things like where you if you're getting a Uber or Lyft or somebody else There's a way to do it in the app. Right? No, no one does it. Yeah. So it's probably a way to do it in the app. Sure. And Nope, just Nobody does it.

But I mean, I would never do it in all my kids. Absolutely not.

What the 16 and under

no, are 16 year old Sorry, I'm yeah, yeah. No. Yeah. I mean, not not unaccompanied.

Yeah, it's just not it's very common to use someone else's. Oh, yeah. Oh, speaking of that, I didn't have it in the rundown. But it just triggered my memory. I wanted to talk about pin verification. Did you know that's only up to the customer? The customer turns that on that is not from Yes, yes. I actually watched Dustin's video about how to turn it on. Thank you, Dustin. I didn't even know that. So that's why we only get them random. I had one this week. So I kind of started digging into it a little bit.


I don't know if that's exactly true, though. Because Gabe. He had like, I don't know two weekends ago. He's, like 75% of his rides were pinned writes,

maybe it was somebody who, you know,

it may have been just by chance, but I mean, I've got that

he's in the beta though. So that could be none.

Because it's basically giving it to the customer the option to do it. So I've had

more lately I've had probably, I mean, last week, and I probably had four ish.

Okay. Would you just want Uber to make them do it? Or do you not want to do that?

I think there's you just make them do it.

Yeah. I mean, it's gonna cause trouble with

the ride on rides for other people. Yeah,

you have to have that pin.

I don't know. There's got to be just, I take people. I mean, if I didn't, I'd probably lose 20% of my income. Oh, yeah. I mean, cuz it happens all the time. Yeah.

Does the pin expire? Sure. Get a new one or

I don't know. I just noticed that to start the trip. I had it. I swiped it. I asked him for the pin. He gave it to me. We kept on going. Right. And I did say to him, because his name was on the account. Maybe it was we just had a conversation. Well, this is gonna eliminate a lot of people using other people's accounts. So with the pins, but

right, I actually had an issue with the pin system. Yeah, that that same lady that I brought to the Taco Bell. Yeah, I picked her up. Not Joey's puppets. Oh, good old pot butts. And apparently in that back alley is like a dead zone for Verizon. That's what, that's what so I didn't have I could not get signal. And I couldn't like start the ride because it kept on asking for a pin. And so I type it in and it wouldn't be able to connect. And so I finally had to pull like, on a Fulton Street. So

you figured out my must be in some weird dead zone? Yeah. Okay. After like, probably a minute or two. Yeah, like trying to trying it.

Yeah. So the weird thing is once I got out of the dead zone, I didn't even ask him for the pin again.

Well, maybe it had already even though it was just spinning. Maybe as soon as you gotten the signal it sends Yeah, right. I don't know. But okay, yeah, spur. It's your turn.

Well, I just have it I remember one

Oh, I didn't even pay you to you got three more things on there. I got to just jump in. Don't just tell me to shut the fuck up.

Like one of the videos we're gonna watch actually late later. But I had to rise my last to rise the night Saturday. I caught it early. Normally I stay up to like four or five in the morning, Saturdays and Fridays. But I called it good at like 230 on Saturday because I picked up while I went to go pick up this guy over in East town. And we'll watch the video later. But that was terrible. And then so I went downtown to be dubs. And I pull up there and there's like three guys standing outside, like not really yelling at each other. But they're like, loud.

Yeah, they're yucking it up, right?

And so two guys get in. And I'm getting ready to pull off and the guy in the front like, Oh, wait, hold on a minute, hold on a minute. And so he rolls down the window, and he yells the N word out the window at the at the bouncer at V dubs and I'm like, get out. Because like what man You don't understand. He called me first and so I don't care.

Was it was it a black guy you picked up or white guy?

I think he was mixed.

Okay, well, that's fine. I'm just curious cuz Yeah, like, I mean, not that it shouldn't be like that anyway I just curious if it was

no I he I don't think he was black he might have been I think he was Mexican to be honest either way, right? I was like I'd already had a shitty day. I don't laugh at that. I'm

sorry. It's so like, you could laugh at it now, but during that time, you just wanted to be like, I hate my life,

right? I'm like, get out. Keep a guy on I went home. Yeah, hold a good color.

Good. Oh, man. So any comments on Facebook before we jumped into your amazing stories Esper? No, no,

nothing. No, no. Wow. It's very quiet tonight. We have 18 people watching. It's so quiet.

Maybe everyone's on YouTube.

And no,

maybe everyone's on pair. I would

Facebook know about the noise. So I had my own story I kind of wanted to bring up was, I actually picked somebody up at It was a family picked them up at beat ups on 44th street I think. Right 44th Street out by the mall? I think so.

Yeah, I mean by my house.

Yeah, exactly. Around the corner,

right Jason lived

a mile and a half from my house.

So So yeah, they're kind of broken down. And did they had they had four children three of them they own and they had obviously car seats so were those really nice and so they took the car seats out and put them in my car and I kind of got him home and so that was that was really cool they had abandoned broken down and like all of a sudden out of nowhere in the parking lot. This something stewing broke on and so wouldn't steal at all. No cheese. Yeah, sorry, obviously couldn't drive at home. And so yeah, I picked them up and took them took them back home. They had been down in the Z DC and ice and wanted to get get some food after that. So okay, so that was kind of a cool story. Thought and kind of a positive story on top of all the No.

Well, that's what word is used for. Like, I really like it when you're like, oh man, I'm screwed. My car broke down, you just come to the rescue like, I'm so thankful that the customers are so thankful because like, Oh, I can ride with a while you can ride with a tow truck guy, but you can't fit all Pitt can't fit all the kids in there. So that's

why this way you know, he could do left to the van there and you can come and pick it up the next day and get it fixed now. That was pretty I

probably fixed it in the parking lot.


so calvess opinions and thoughts says Why does a person's skin color matter when you take in a way where all the blue and safe underneath?

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I was just curious. It doesn't matter at all. I was just, I feel like black guys use that word a lot more freely. And yeah, it's, it's, it really has nothing to do with it. So I was just curious, because they whoa boy, I'm going down a rabbit hole. I'm just gonna leave it at that. So that's what I said I that's what I said in chat. So

yeah, I mean, we have a couple of new guests on you on Facebook now things are looking up we have Scott Rhymer from Green Bay. And we have john McBride none Roma john. Oh, he's from Pennsylvania now. So we just found that out. And then Sean says Aloha. So maybe he's from Hawaii.

Yeah. Whatever happened to what's his name?

He doesn't drive us as often. Right? Because Carter? Carter Carter. Yep. Dallas Carter. Yeah, those Carl. Yeah, but he doesn't have as often because he's a teacher.

Yeah. But he kind of like fell off the planet. I don't know if he's still in the group. He is.

Comes back on once in a while and kind of he joined in about a week ago. Just kind of took a couple rides and went home. Okay.

Oh, you he chimed in?

Yeah, like, just a little bit. Oh, hi. In the group. Yeah.

Yeah. So I do

want to shout out to our Washington listeners. I keep forgetting to do that. The tri cities in Washington, it's Washington, Washington. 10

in Portland to is looking at porn and like we have a ton of business and

yeah, I don't know we I've never connected with anyone, anywhere from Washington and it's our number one market. Like there's three cities that connect around Washington. What is it Oregon, Oregon, whatever, say whatever the hell you want. But in that little connection there I don't know the name of semies like Yokomo

Yokomo I don't know.

Yeah, we've gone over that several times. We suck at geography. So and

then I hit I picked somebody up at the airport later and I kicked out my bag and I went home so I actually missed out on the bobcat. So I just couldn't anymore I was just I gotta go home. Yeah, so yeah, 130 and like,

I think I was home before bar close to I think I hit my goal and I'm like, peace out.

But I still had a decent weekend. And then of course, BMP weekend was really solid. Yeah. And I know I need to mention this because a lot of people really want me to talk about my comfort. Right? Right. So I know I got to do that. So I had 12 conference, BFS weekend. And then I had 11 comfortable last weekend. So I'm

gonna go up to Once I select goes away,

yep. So that goes go away. So

no, it won't because I never get a select. Although I'm not picky. I'll take an Uber x. And so maybe if I would get more if I would eliminate Uber x and XL, maybe I would get more. Yeah, but my guess I'd get five rides for the week. I mean, I don't remember the last time I got to select.

I remember that. Oh my god.

So how you want to do questions on Facebook? Let me just

yeah, if it's if it's Yep, legit. So

Kaz 6439 says, Wait,

well, one of them's like hidden for some reason.

I don't get any questions.

Are you on our account?

Yeah, you on Oh, you're

on YouTube and I'm on so you can on block that I think it's because they think it's spam. Sometimes Yeah.

So his first question was, well, he or she, I guess I don't know who cares is but will Lyft and Uber ever have cameras in the cars? I I'll never use or have used Uber as these rides are companies are taking away from real cabbies.

So obviously, he's not an Uber Lyft driver, right. I know, Uber offered a camera for a while. You can lease it to them

as young right? Which was

Yeah, I haven't heard much. It was terrible. Yeah. And it was probably a crappy camera. And what was his original question? Will they ever have cameras in the car? Yeah, I don't think they'll mandate it. No,

I but you should have it you should I mean, absolutely. You should have it.

Yeah, we definitely recommend it the end to pro we are in the process of demoing a their newest two way camera so to Yep, no, that's nothing for right. So the unfor Yeah, the one we just did is for Yeah, talking about the next one. Yep. Okay. I've tried to lie a little bit. We haven't quite got the camera yet. Can you just go along with the frickin lie?

We'll get it. So Judas

Gordon Joe has 20,000 rides for Uber 6500 for Lyft Yep.

Wow, somebody is

we bow before you go someone's

got a soul sore ass

is a guy that he gets his ass or when

he drives so so john McBride did ask a serious question and what what do you get with a comfort? Right? So let me just spend a couple minutes on that. And yeah,

just real quick.

I won't for a long time on it. But basically you get a vehicle that has a little bit more room. And then you get the ability to actually set your your conference, your preferences, the right I get to define Yeah, you know, the heat of the vehicle. He could decide whether or not he wants a lot of noise, you know, quiet or not quiet and whether he's talking to him or not. So that Kind of give someone some some preferences to me as the driver as to what he wants beforehand.

So speaking of that, what happens does a notification come up if someone wants quiet

instead, instead of instead of accepting the ride, you can see it says, See preferences, that your next


and you click on that, and they'll say, I want it to be I want to be quiet or whatever. And then you see, and then you can accept the right.

Oh, so if you don't like those preferences, you can be like,

you don't have to know that you're saying but

it's still, you know, I had a comfort ride once. What? Yeah, as a driver. Yeah. I was last year during beer fest. Actually. I picked up somebody from the hotel out there and

run about a an st No, Grand River.

Yes. Thank you. Well, that's an answer. No, no, not that one. The one right by the ballpark. back behind whatever.

Yeah, Hampton.

Yeah. So I picked them up. And when I got the request, you know the thing popped up and apparently the rider before them had canceled the ride and somehow it slipped through to me why wouldn't you want a second screenshot of that? So I this thing pops up says they want to chat and they were very chatted It was a great group.


yeah, that's cool. Yeah. So funny so so just to do the follow up for john real quick you gotta have a new enough vehicle john, it's got to be only certain vehicles just like we select only certain vehicles will be will qualify for comfort and if you if you do, Uber will let you know. Nine to 10 Rep. 900,000 miles. Ah, what's up? That was golden Joe? Yeah.

Where's he from? 900,001 car.

No cars. Oh, shit.

Sorry, golden show. I didn't mean to love it

that fourth guy. So.

So I want to just address Scott real quick you said most time to Comfort people don't select an option for me they do more than half of my comfort wise they'd have definitely selected and often option here in Grand Rapids, you know some preferences as to what they want. And but most times, it's just normal.

You're getting it like don't want to chat.

Oh yeah, absolutely. I want to get one that you can put your own custom in. Like, I want the driver to sing. You know, go tell about the mountain. That's the first song that

I had somebody who said he wants to be quiet and he would not stop talking. You'd be like Hey, yo,

you might want to check your settings

he said Mr. Bass Am I supposed to answer this over corporate and I

was really I didn't know what to do I bet you

should have just you should have just said it like hey, you know you're on your site because it's a set it and forget it. Yeah, don't do it each ride so he probably said at one time because he was pissed at the world and then it's been like that. Why these drivers never talked to me What the Hell

yeah, man. Oh, anyways, I'll stop it here because I know people hate it when I bring out comfort but yeah,

yeah, we were we might have to skip some articles. We've been Talking about so we're gonna jump into the picnic. It's August 15 in Grand Rapids, Michigan at Riverside Park. This is our second annual rideshare picnic it's open to anyone that wants to come we'd love we should have a contest whoever comes the furthest gets some Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, we have a camera giveaway. Yeah,

we do. We're not sure what we're gonna do with that camera yet but but yeah, Saturday August 15. We'll have some food and not

so great hotels and Airbnb and I don't even want to come from long time. Yep. And I

I didn't think you were gonna say hotels. thought you're gonna say hookers. I don't know why I always say

I don't know if we have any of those two maybe my

Yeah, I don't know. P I mean, whatever. Like, if it's if it's super, whatever, then just skip the same one we just talked about.

Different 102 this

so Larry. No, no. We said maybe you couldn't make it now. He says he can't make it.

Oh, he's making Can I

know he says I'm bummed? I can't No,

no. He's gonna make it.


So wait, I don't have it's not up on mine.

What? It's on YouTube, so

it's not on Facebook.

What's not a Facebook?

Well, none of those are coming up for me because he's on YouTube.

But why are they not coming up on Facebook? But the the what the comments

know that that thing?

Oh, it's like a 15 second delay. There it is. Oh, you just put it up.

No, I didn't. It's clearly a heavy delay tonight. Yeah.

Sorry about that, guys. My job. My problem. Yes.

Okay. John's on YouTube.

I just sent you a message and telegram, Pete.

No, coming. I

can't hear my boy. No, you can but I'm trying to stay on the download. Good God. Okay, so john, thank you for Being on YouTube, we are going to talk about our telegram. The telegram is a group that we connect you can see the link in the in the show notes or in the comments. And it is a messaging app where you can talk to us and people all over the country we got people from we obviously talked to back feet, dammit, you can't talk well, again. laughs

john said to tell you sexy tonight. Oh,

he's just not because he wants to hear his little his little video or audio put together. But yeah, look in the comments. Download the telegram messenger app, click on the link you can join our group it's nc 17 group. I say that they don't ever read anything nc 17 but when I was growing up, I felt like that was like the then LBL so we don't do politics or religion in there, but there might be some butts. Some butt gifts. So check that out. I'm gonna play

from john by might be he means there will be

there might be one up right now. So I'm gonna play this. This is our john does our weekly recap and, and I'm gonna play that and then we'll be back. It's the GR Rideshare Adventures telegram weekly recap week 27

I'm ranked 1382 for the week,

bro. Yeah, I guess I missed the messages john put together. You know, john.

I don't care. What Jason says about you. I think you're right.

I knew that Mitch was going to do that. Ah, they want though lift and go fuck itself. Talk dirty rideshare daddy

came didn't even wave at me when he drove my first offer of sex by a female that I would consider. Wow. Maybe it should have stayed home.

Go Go. Go. Go. Go.

Oh my goodness take a ride and come back and wow look what did I miss? Wow.

A chapstick on my phone. Now I'm going to apply the chapstick. I hope everybody's having a good night.

Yes. And the amazing thing about that company was a company.

New Year new me.

start chanting freedom. That way when I get pulled over, the cop walks up, I'm just chanting freedom.

I drink me some beer. I need to work on getting you some good material. I haven't got anything in a while. She's trying to hook a brother up. I'm not dipshit I just wanted to hear I need to work on getting you some good material. You're awesome Taylor Swift.

JOHN, I'll have you know that. I just tried to go to Popeye's again.

To try the chicken sandwich. You bougie bitch.

I wish my ass would look that good in a speedo


That was lovely $2 and 80 cents.

starting to get a little slick, come with it around the corner. come from

out to the airport to the hotel.

drop them off and I got a Excel pick up at the airport. I gotta be really close to getting back to my 85%

core. Yes.

I just had a one star this

time I'm a robot. Well fantastic and all the time.

It does Blake

she doesn't love us anymore right yeah, I'm gonna bring it way back

to yours This is this 1997 that's shaggy

sorry my screen fucking go home

what I'm hitting the home button it's not going home god it's f1 Judas. So I hope you enjoyed that that is a little bit of the sample that we we talked about so there was maybe I don't know 8% ride share in that and that rundown or that video or that what the fuck is wrong with me that audio so, but no we really have fun and it's always good to have somebody there's usually somebody on there 24 hours a day that you can you know who knows If you need if you're having a bad night and need somebody to talk to, you can talk to somebody. So

check it out. Scott wants to know what the regular schedule is for the shows. Nice. I just replied, oh, did you?

It's every other Wednesday for the live stream. And on Mondays following the live stream, the audio comes out and you can find that on any podcast. Why isn't

there a thing though? If you go to patreon

you don't get it early.

Well, no, but you know another video right?

Yeah. So I like up. So if you do go to, slash GR Rideshare Adventures, it's $10 a month. You get a gig economy podcast. Once a month. You get mirch a hat after two months and then you get some like some some banter before the podcast. It's not I can't claim it as well. It's not safe for work. But so is this now. So you so hate you We just yeah, it's just kind of fun. We don't really realize that the mics are on and sometimes we've had to go back and edit some stuff because some sensitive information get out. So, yes, were you ready to talk about a review of the week?

I am so love the podcast. He This is from Tesla, Arizona. I'm a rideshare driver from Phoenix, Scottsdale Arizona. Found you guy I guess it's Tesla from Arizona. I guess when I found you guys on Apple podcast. I searched and searched on Arizona rideshare podcast to no avail and appears there are none. Anyways, I'm grateful I found yours. It is very informative and absolutely entertaining. Keep up the awesome job. We actually just got another one today. Today. Yep. And it has a super long comment, comment and so we'll go through it and we'll talk about next time but yeah, he had a lot of cool stuff to say as well. But thank you so much Tesla from Arizona. I wonder if you drive a Tesla if you do, I am so jealous because I'm I think

Leo's gonna buy one.

I'm not gonna buy one because I have kids. So I can't afford, you know, Tesla's

but yeah,

no, that's this is the last one we got. No, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Anyways,

thank you so much. If you liked the show, go ahead and rate us on.

Hmm, this last one. We didn't get another one. We did. And

I'm looking at it right now. Wow. Show it to you after the show. No, you find it now. Oh, my gosh, thank you so much. Find us and rate us on?

Yeah, our goal is to get one a month and so far in 2020. We've had at least one in January and one in February.

I mean, I'm finding

my pits March 4, we would appreciate a review.

You're so demanding. I

know I am. I'm sorry.

No, you're not. Don't say you're sorry.

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You're looking at your thing.

All right. So we're going to jump into ride sharing news. Only, like 54 minutes after the podcast started. Well, maybe 44 minutes. So this first article is, you know, I read it today, while I read it a half hour ago because Sam, this was Sam's article, but this woman was charged or not charged. She has a book out about Uber sexual harassment. I kind of you know, breezed through the article. But basically, her life turned upside down after she kind of came out about this with the book, or maybe before the book, but when she had, you know, told them about the sexual harassment, she was Stark, she was hacked. Like, everything was crazy. They This isn't like Uber corporate. Right? Right. She was a software engineer I believe. So it's just interesting what Uber went to the lengths they went to like they had private investigators. They were digging up stuff from her from like her 13 year old friend like people that she didn't even remember because they were get she was getting messages from these people like someone snooping around like I know we haven't talked but this is this is weird like someone's snooping around so they did they wanted to quiet her as much as they could. It's it's a long article, but we'll link it up at some point probably on our on our Facebook page, and Twitter, but you can read that it's just kind of a I don't know, we all heard about the good old boys club back in Hoover. I'm not I'm sure it's cleaned up a little bit but and that's what kind of makes me feel bad about Lyft because I really respected live. They treated their drivers good. And now I hate Lyft right. They're fucking the drivers and it pisses me off because that's You when I said that?

No, it just, it feels like you are making a point of me using more words.

I mean, it just I just feel a little more. You know, my potty mouth in the telegram group. I mean,

it's just funny.

Um, but yeah, I feel like lift has kind of taken advantage of the the writers of all the riders and the drivers because we've seen these huge surges on lift, and I don't know, just pisses me off. Like, I'm kind of leaning towards Uber again. And that pride

that reminds me of that scene from Star Wars. You were the chosen one.

all upset, you know what I mean? Yeah, lift was the woke rideshare company, like they're all into, you know, REITs and, you know,

whatever doing this, I started with Lyft. Yeah.

Yeah, mainly, and I started like doing Uber as like a side thing. But the more I when I was like,

well, and I hate I try not to say to the riders, but they I've been if they've opened the door of opportunity to talk about two platforms, I said, I'll be honest with you, you should take Uber and they're like why I said because Lyft discharging a huge rate, and we're not getting any of it right? Very rarely. And they're like what I'm like, yeah, at least Uber gives us a sticky surge. I mean, yeah, it's not the multiplier, but sometimes they even give you more if you go a certain distance, right, lift.

Nada. So every once in a while, I think Gabe and I have both caught like a $17 surge on lift on the weekend. But it's here and then gone. Right. And you only I mean, only God knows how much they're charging the rider.

I know. a ridiculous amount. Like I've even had riders get in and I didn't ask them how much they're like, Man, it's ridiculous how much this is costing me. I like no.

Interesting. I'll take my $3 and 75 cents

right. I'll take my min fair. Yeah. and move on. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just a shame.

It is. It is. I mean, yeah.

No doubt you're gonna go on a

second break.

Talking about the penny stocks and you know, that kind of stuff is that that was one of the Worried about what's going to happen when someone the multiplier started swinging away and became became something else. And it just it? It never happened. Right. So Uber stayed. I mean,

I disagree a little bit, because I think your comfort has blinded you a little bit about how much you're earning on the weekends. But although you're doing that before comfort, I was always

making 375 400. The big differentiator right now is it's comfort. Yes. But it's also promotions. Yeah, I mean, they are they're doing promotion and a half. Last month and a half. I've been making an extra $40 every weekend because of emotion. They should have closed that Uber office a year ago. Right? Because it was kind of the same time and they closed the Uber office and now we're getting promotions.

I don't know what it is, but

what the hell 1600 dollars a month they don't have to spend on rent.

Is that how much that place was? I'm sure it's still for rent. I've

been looking. There's been a lot of people checking it out. There's been a lot of cars

really in there. Yeah. Huh. That's still around. They must have made it public. Well, no, yeah, if anyone out there I should always bring this up to if you guys want to sponsor the show, we are cheap as hell so and if you have a studio space or a small space that you want to rent me for dirt cheap, actually we can trade services. I'll talk about your business and you just give me the studio. Not that we don't love the studio in here. But yes, burn I got big plans.

David says it's funny. That's exactly the opposite of what's happening in Washington DC. Uber is cheaper than left.

Okay, I think the rate honestly here Lyft is a smidge cheaper, right? But I'm just noticing just not the surge. Although the last weekend I don't know. Son of a bitch. Sorry, one of my rookie. rookies scared the shit out of me. Last weekend, everyone was getting surges from lift added on the right bonuses just randomly. They weren't even in the box. So I don't know if that's the new thing. will see this weekend.

Maybe Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I haven't. I probably should start getting back on lift now that I can. I just I haven't really focused on I don't want

what do you Why would you if you have the comfort? I wouldn't?

Yeah, I mean, well Lyft is doing their new thing now, right? What's that? Isn't Lyft doing like a select B? I have no idea.

Oh, yeah, I don't know if that was that offered in GR I thought it was just Detroit. I haven't seen anyone get it from GR maybe they did

think that. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I think you're right. Maybe that is just to try it though.

I don't know. All right, next video is kind of a fun one. And it's about a guy did it damn about my wife has been catching me too. She's like, what do you mean about this guy brings a puppy with him while he's Uber driving, and it's the best saw that I watched this whole thing and I had like warm fuzzies at the end. I mean, I I know the beard. You think I'm scary and mean but I really love this video. So we're gonna watch this real quick. I hope you

don't mind having company in the car.

We have a special guest.

Say hi Susie. What's up? I'm Susanna. I came from Alabama with a banjo on my knee. They shipped me up here because I was a straight man in the barn. Do you take Ubers often?

Ready for the best Uber ride of your life.

excited for Monday.

I'm a little late.

That stress you out or you're just used to it now.

Oh, you know it helps with stress.

puppies. Stop it. You want to

say hi. I got a little puppy here. And who doesn't love puppies on Monday.

My baby everywhere.

I do say hi Susanna

she's about a month

or so so

you okay you can queue

if you don't mind having company in the car.

Get my Mustang

back to Daddy.


We don't want I didn't realize it was three minutes apparently I didn't want to thing I was like shit. We're not playing this whole thing.

There's a couple of people in Grand Rapids that do this.

Yeah, regularly. Like they have a small dog or something.

Yep. One of them's got a pretty big dog from what I've seen. So is it a service animal? I don't think so.

For a while there, I thought I read somewhere that the drivers are allowed to bring a dog like it's his prerogative. But then I like a month later, I went back to try to find it and I couldn't find it. So I don't know.

I think it is allowed for them to do it. I just I don't know if I would.

But I mean, the problem is,

people might be allergic, like,

or if it's sheds. Yeah, like if you get a group of people, where's the dog gonna go? Oh, what does

more than shit on your panel? You mean shit.

One month old puppy.

Yeah, boy. Yeah, that one he probably had to bring out but yeah, I mean, it's cute. It's fun. Gave me warm fuzzies I wouldn't do it. No, I got it. I got enough trouble keeping myself on the road without a dog in there. I don't need a dog. You

need to use the bathroom all the time. No Hey

good for you.

okay yes for bed bugs

bed bugs crawling in your eyes. Sure. I mean goosebumps just

I know well, we'll play it but I've never heard this and now I don't know why it's just this one guy in Texas like why aren't we hearing this like crazy because when you hear how many he cleans that week, you're kind of like Yeah, but how

much so here's the thing right? He cleans maybe that many a week. But how much of it is fear and how much is accident? Yeah, he never does say like

no many actual cases of bedbugs are in the car because

he probably just smokes it and then but you should still be able to find some carcasses I mean, they're tiny but you if you look enough, you could probably find them but we'll play this video and you can creep out with all of us. This is a level nine

john Brooks has a job that will make your skin crawl.

I have nightmares at nighttime, but

he runs Duff done pest control and treats bed bug infested homes across Dallas. By the time you start seeing them, you've got a bigger problem than probably you had any idea and get this Brooks can also treat your wheel out spray all this area here but lately he says he's been treating more cars where you wouldn't expect to find these little guys. I probably do five to 10 rideshare cars a week. Yeah, bedbugs in rideshare vehicles. Not a great combo. But it's not crazy to think a lot of customers get picked up every day and those cars it can be just one of them that just crawled off of someone. A small study last year by insurance company net quote, even found rideshare cars are 35,000 times more germy than a toilet seat. And drivers Brooks has met they either seen him saw one or someone complained or they don't know and they just want to make sure Brooks often puts cars needing to be treated into a tent and then turns the heat up inside to 150 degrees to kill those little guys. There's no better bus than a dead bug, or he just sprays the interior of a car, which is cheap. I could square the car in 15 minutes, and they can be off. And hey, this story isn't to scare anyone. There are hundreds of thousands of rideshare drivers in the US, and they're required to keep their cars clean. But if you see one that's not it's not a matter of if it's I think it's a matter of when they're going to get them in Dallas. I met our

Why is it playing it again?

Well, it's weird. Yeah, even at the end, he's like, I don't think it's a matter of if it's a matter of when.

Yeah, and I have to say that we are required to keep him clean. We know we know who controls it. Now. We all do, right? Yeah. I mean, I always clean my car before I go out and drive and

he does. Okay, I've ridden in his van before

about once a week. I will I will spray down my little seeds. Yeah, cuz I have little sheets and it's easier. But so it's Yeah, I know.

Well, it's funny. Bring that we bring up the cleaning part because when Megan when I first started getting into rideshare, and we would use rideshare. She was shocked at the cars. How dirty were she just assumed that everyone kept their cars as clean as we did. And I'm like, No, I mean, some people just like don't care. That's why it needs to be another tier lower than Uber x. There needs to be I don't give a shout

out. There was another tear. I thought it was Uber Uber x Uber XL.

Could be there could have been way back in the day.

There's the Uber pool pool, but yeah, they

don't have that here. I mean, we were in one in New Orleans, Washington. It was nasty.

Was it i'm sure yeah, we gave him five stars and a tip.

No, I did not get one star no tip. We will we will get about to get late to the boat. We were you know,

you didn't care. You're just like we had to

go right. We had already waited 15 minutes to for them to get there. And then we have to you know, embark with it on the cruise. So it's just one of those things though. gave me a guess we're doing it. Well. We probably should treat us home for bedbugs afterwards.

It's fun. Yeah, the last time Megan and I took a lift together. I we were both a little tipsy. It was like a Thursday night. Like, what are we doing out during the week? I don't know. must have been some random thing we were going to I think it was at the mitten. Of course, my favorite brewery. That's a free one.

No, you're gonna get another free beer next time though. Yeah,

no, I'm just saying that's a free ad for them. It's great. Every time everything remains in Maine. Yeah, get a free beer. But yeah, the lift pulled up. It was kind of snowing. And I get in there and it smells like cigarettes. One of his headlights says out and apparently his defrost wasn't working because he had a hole the size of a softball driving down the highway. I'm like, Oh, we dead. We are dead. But I was a little I was like, I don't I was you know, I was drinking. I was I just want to get home. I don't really care. I want to go to bed. But I did read them once or report it to left but right.

And I think that's the that's the right behavior. Right well When for riders and drivers only out writing other cars, make sure we actually treat treat this as an MPP a writer, I mean be a driver, right? Because we understand we know what it is. But also be a writer. Make sure that that don't don't

accept something that is not acceptable.

I've heard drivers say they're like, no still took doom. And I'm like, What are you doing? Right? Like, yeah, you don't want the awkward conversation to call them out. And that's fine. Be you know, be like a millennial. Like, I wouldn't do it either. I'd be like,

I'll tip you in the app.

Yeah. Tip you in the app as long as you don't out yourself as a driver. But I always when I did take rideshare I never said I was a driver. I wanted to see how he acted and did things. And then if everything was on the up and up, then I would say, Oh, I'm a driver too. You know, then you know, you kind of bond with them. But

one of my car was in the shop. I had to take an Uber there. When I dropped it off, then that ticket will be there. When I picked it up. And the one I took there, the guy was really Nice his car was like pretty old but it was really nice car was clean. good conversation. Yeah got it picked me up. He had like a an Acura like it was really not or not Adi sorry. Oh nice SUV, like probably would have qualified for like Uber black or select or whatever. And it was dirty.

This is trashed.

Yeah. On the I mean look nice on the outside. I'm like, oh man, I'm about to ride in some style style and yeah, I opened up the door and it was like trash on the ground and I'm like,

I don't even know. Like, I don't even know why you'd want to even drive on that normally, right?

I mean, I yeah, he was retired. Yeah, he was, uh, he did something else for a

while but just driving like your daily vehicle like that, because clearly he doesn't care. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't keep the most clean car before I drove for Uber, but it wasn't trash. I mean, it wasn't like you know, cheese sticks in the back that have been there for

cheese sticks. Yeah, cuz my wife's fan. I'll find cheese

Not the new car. Hopefully she'll keep that clean for a while. That's a sensitive topic. We're not gonna talk about that. All right, we're gonna jump into this video from Dustin. I don't know if we'll watch the whole thing. I did. I liked Dustin's videos. They're good. Yeah. Do you know?

Yeah, it's, it's about a feature that Uber is starting. And so it's gonna be cards in the window. Yeah,

I think the I think he shows the pin thing. Yeah. In this video. The pin thing?

Yeah, it's on its own in some markets, right?

Yes. Yeah. It's not gonna happen. But

I thought it was because it's a requirement of the market. Not not Uber.

Ah, no, the

day it was because of was Megan's Law, or

I think it's Sarah. Sarah's law, whatever. Yeah, the South Carolina one. Yeah, but that was the license plate one. This is a little white placard, like a piece of paper that you're supposed to put in your window.

But let's see. Okay,

can we watch the video and see? Okay,

this video guys I am talking about the new Uber place cards.

Did you see that guys, you see that? That's right, we all will have place cards in our windows. Now. It's not good enough that we have the pin service. Yeah.

Now, we're gonna start as a little extra precaution to make sure passengers do not get into the wrong vehicle. In a way though, this should be helpful for the simple fact that we should no longer get the false reports of we took the wrong writer for the simple fact of if you have to scan this or input a pin before we can start the trip. It had to be you right? It just had to be and if people don't know why this is in place right now, it's because of sammys law. With the sad incident that happened in South Carolina where a passenger I was too much to drink and got into a vehicle that she thought was her Uber but wasn't even a driver. So now they think that putting these in the back Windows is good. To make things okay, I hate to say it but if you take a look at this right here, as you can see I've opened my sliding doors here you're gonna put it on the back left and back right

people that are listening you can't see shit to the to the window right?

Yeah a lot better in camera then you can actually see it in person because the tint on the vehicle is you know 10 It's not easy to see so I can't imagine how this is gonna go down at night when people are drinking you know, are they gonna be on as you can see right now it's been raining

so do you think that'll you're kind of familiar I think that will pick up and it's a window isn't gonna be a struggle.

All the way down. Same problem I had was

required to put the finger in the bag windy. I didn't even put it back there. I know. Nobody can see that. Yeah.

Well, once you put it on the inside, you can't see jack. But that's where you're going to be. She says that was all this gonna prevent people from jumping into the wrong vehicle. I sure hope so. mean they already have, that's a good point to sure make model

dollars and a rip it

have everything in the palm of their hands passengers, you just need to pay attention and look at your app. And now that they also have the pin system in play, make sure you actually enable it, you have to go in your app, right here.

And then click this.

And you slide it over, and that's it, then you're on. So every other trip you ever take, it'll have a pin, okay? It won't be in play unless you put it in play. So if you're really worried about your safety, you should definitely be doing this. Now, for all those wondering if this is in your market, just open your app, go to your inbox and see if this popped up.

Or they're

right here.

If you didn't see that, you ain't gotta worry about it for all those that did. Get this, you need to actually worry about it because if you don't do it, you will be fined $250. And you could potentially get deactivated. And if enough of these citations do

anyways, you get it. So we'll go back when I go I saw thing but I

think I'm gonna stop telling my my writers that they can turn it on if it's something they need to do in there.

Yeah, I mean,

I mean, I think a pin things better than the Oh yeah,

picture card. Absolutely. It's better than the plate. Yeah, I mean well not necessarily because someone could be using the drivers phone. So I mean, again we talked about this a nauseum Is that the right word nauseum?


I'm Why am I asking the Dane? No.

No that that, like he said, you have a plate. Picture the driver picture of the car. Right. Then you're gonna have a placard and then a pin. I mean,

how much you can't even get pictures of my riders.

Yeah, I think that should be a requirement to But people would be racist because you know,

people are assholes. So that's the other thing. So we, as drivers, we were required to upload a picture of our I know our driver's license, why wouldn't right us be required to upload a picture? You know, think about

their day to day ID. It's funny.

I mean, I think Jason said it, but doesn't have to run the background check on him. But at least you can optimize that shit. You can make it you upload the photo, and you can read the name automatically. And if it matches what they put in, you're good to go.

Yeah, they're gonna lose much money. I mean, why many drivers and Grand Rapids drive around miners? Because they want that extra, you know, five bucks. So they don't say anything. And so we're getting all that money. Yeah. Our land and lift. I mean, it's worse on left in my opinion, but yeah.

Yeah, you did say that. And I thought about that today when I was on lift, but I really do feel like it's in work. The area that you're in Oh, that's definitely if

I was, you know, well, you live Kenwood.

Yeah. But today like I was, I was a lot of the downtown and just kind of the outskirts and that I didn't have a problem with it not to say I wouldn't but every time I got a lift ride I was I don't think I only got to today. I was on over the rest but as I so

I'm not doing that again. No, I was gonna say something else. They love me.

All right, so it wasn't that

the NC 17 Oh, shit. Sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. What are you talking about?

The bots

now somebody Leo just posted a link about sex and prostitutes and police or something

on YouTube. Now in the chat,

there's all you also can look in there that's that. When I talked about butts, someone posted bots. That was yeah okay this next video I think it's in the chapter right? I don't know.

Maybe not I think that little

No, it's about stupid disgusting toilets which I know that Detroit D Tw has had a hell of a time le x is the LX but anyways so enjoy this video it's grown

yeah of course we can see trawling the drivers they get up

so this one I was here and it was late and I was like I have to use the restroom you like

nobody can use this is because those those dirty is smells bad.

So I go over here and I said oh my god helped me I can't and this guy comes running up with a can of Lysol

and he's like, Look, I'm going to spray you down. When you before you get in and I'll spray you when you got out and I was like tempting but I can't even enter in our browser. It's so disgusting. I gotta use this because this is an insult

to every driver. I'm mad, because we have to treat us with more discoveries.

Well, I've never seen them played. So I don't really know how often they came up. And we asked him the authority, we're asking me to work on these changes that outrageous kind of a thing you have

for drivers to use immediately.

The least kind of services would just be a working restroom. And if they say this is working, I would beg to differ. It's not I mean, you can just see the condition that they're in right now. I mean,

there's a petition, oh bitly.or slash lacks hygiene 2021.

And then if you go into more, if you saw the T shirts, he was Was NWA the mobile web or mobile workers Association. Okay, so that's actually they have a big Facebook group as well.

So I didn't actually look at this article before. Are these paid for by Uber and Lyft? Or

I think they are by the airport. I'm pretty sure that I don't know. I know that Detroit ones are paid lift, provided them and then took them away and then brought them back. While we can I ask why we're blaming Uber and Lyft these are animals using this toilet? These are fellow drivers


right? Well, no, but hang on. We don't know if it's drivers does use him in peds doing it?

Well, I think it's a TNC lot. Its drivers that's not pub, I

know but those public, it's not like it that lopped off. Anybody can use them.

In LA x, there's gonna be a you know, two to 300 Uber cars in there. I don't think there's other people

but there's probably lots of people who don't have access that uses these all the time because I can guarantee you Those are not marked off. The law isn't locked.

No muscles lots have a security guard

at night 24 seven.

What what what was I listening to?

Anyways, and I was

reading that guy's book, and it talked about a lot. Oh man, I may have just made this up. But I think on those bigger loss there is security in there. I don't like put

it this way. maryna naturally is just as bad and his thing is to drive

nine to 10 maybe I'll give you 10% I'm not giving you any more than that.

But obviously the drivers need to you know not being

Yeah, I feel like they're blaming lift. Yes. should lift once a week come clean them. If they're not doing that, then that's a problem that that's just

that brings extra costs. That's the problem. I've we looked into it for a little bit. It's about $100 a

month. We didn't look into it. We talked about it, but we never called.

I got the prices. Oh, you did? Yeah. Oh,

it's dollars a month.

Hundred 25 $250 a month to get it emptied once a month.

Once a month once a month,

Leo says his lot does not look like that. I just asked him if his are owned by the airport or by Uber and Lyft.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I it's Lyft but um, but either way I don't like them blaming lift unless lift is not clean them. It's the drivers like who How do you get shit on the opposite side of the toilet? I mean, you literally must have just decided to go in there and it was gross. So you just shit on the side of the toilet or on the

stand in front of the speedway. Yeah, pull people come on out of the bathroom. Right? How did that happen?

Right. I haven't been in there in probably a year now. It's just I don't know. I I feel like they're blaming the wrong people. Like stop being a savage and poop in the toilet. I get it if it's gross. I don't know.

It's Oh, Leo says his are bad. They're on my left. Yeah,

like I said p don't ever doubt me.

Try to deadpan um, you weren't looking at me.

But yeah, anyways, you know, make sure you wipe

appropriately. Make sure you poop in the toilet.

Yeah, I mean, I know that people listening to the podcast can't see it but so think about if you're sitting on the toilet and looking at a wall, there was poop on that wall. It literally somebody must have turned around and squatted right there about if you went in the bathroom and decided to helicopter.

You know, we we were asked, we briefly discussed how do you how do you do that? How do you do a group toilet like that? And we talked about one point. And maybe this is just something I'm just going to ask the question move me somebody is some of the drivers watching would chime in and see if they were willing to pay for that. Would you be willing to pay for access to a toilet that was locked and only usable for us? Because you can get pin toilets you can get out with it with a pin code and we would know for sure who uses them. And it was just because we were talking about how do you how do you get the money back for doing something?

Yeah, it's almost beyond like, yeah, it almost be like on an honor system like, I mean, it would be a pain in the ass. I would rather not do the pin thing. I'd rather just be like, here if you feel this is a good service, pay us five bucks a month. So we can reduce the cost. If not,

but but you give them a pin.

Yeah, but I mean, that's but then the like, what if they don't pay? And then you got to take the pin away? Like how annoying would that be? Well,

you just reset the pin once a week. Yeah, yes or no? And then post a new PIN. Anyways, but I'm just wondering, you know, if that's something people are even willing to pay for?

Yeah, it'd be good to if anyone that's listening would be willing not say we're going to do it because I don't ever go to the airport anymore. But when I did, I would have loved it. I mean, we do have a giant airport here in Grand Rapids, you know? Yeah, our queue is often five to 10 people. Yeah. All right, let's jump into the app. Next add is Michigan insurance and financial services. Who is my agent Jackie who is a badass, you can email her Jackie at Mia Fs calm or call her at 269-569-6127 she sent me like 70 bucks a month. So you should at least once a year get an audit of your insurance. Maybe she can't save you money but why not reach out to her and just say hey, can you quote me on insurance and she's kind of like she didn't call it a broker. I keep calling it a broker but she has several companies she can look at and get you the best price because Company A might be cheaper than Company B or might not be fit and your your circumstances you may have children in your home that are young drivers that like oh this company does not deal well with them. So give her a call again to 695696127 that is her cell phone number. She will get back to or email her Jackie at mia What's up feed


see being a joker

you're not gonna tell me what it is or it's not safe for this or not

could just crap in a bottle


crap bottle crap jug

yeah the the picture we saw on the back of the wall that one probably could have gone in

there's a description for you

I didn't know that this is this is what article is this?

Oh, so this is about gay but if we need to

Yeah, you know what I'm gonna skip it. Good call because we're running.

We're running behind running over anyways.

Yeah, so yes. Briana

read this one. And you'll get to listen to more my Danish This is good. I guess English me Dang. So this customer gets in my car this morning and smells mint in there because I use Icy Hot on my elbow. That's been hurting lately. He asked me all about icyhot and I told him it's good for arthritis and pain. So he asked me if he could try adapt because he has arthritis in his wrist quite unusual question on passenger, but I oblige him and give him a dab of ice. About 10 minutes into the trip, that guy's squirming around in the backseat and I'm wondering what the hell's wrong with him. Then he demands that I urgently stop at the next gas station stating that his nuts on fire. I know got him with a positive look as he's getting out of the car. He says he scratched his nuts and did not get all the Icy Hot out from under his fingernails. Now he's not burning, and he has to go into the bathroom at the gas station to watch them off. I was laughing so hard that when he got back to the chi couldn't stop laughing the whole way to take him to his destination. I thought for sure I'd get one stop because I couldn't quit laughing but I didn't. I know he was super embarrassed. So

the real question is is why He's scratching his balls. Uber. I mean, come on. We're all we all have alone time and we scratch our balls. My wife complains about it all the time. Like, get your hands out of your pants, scratch your butt. Who does that in an Uber? I will tell you

that I picked up a guy twice. Over on the west side off of Lake

Oregon. The West Side, not the best. I don't know. Like

the good part of Lake Michigan drive up by like, just before staying down. Oh. And I picked him up and he works, I think downtown. But I picked him up. And I'm driving and I had to like turn to look. Oh, no. And

it's it wasn't out. But he was doing something in the front of him. Do you think it was broken? it? Yeah.

Oh, so it wasn't just a scratch. You know? You got to tell the difference between that.

Yeah. And so I picked him up. I picked him up probably. I know three or four times in the past year and a half that I can remember. Yeah. In two of the times. I picked him up. He was down there like

Do you want to stand up and show out a phone?

And his phone in one hand and then

he was private for when he got home?

So to answer your question, that's who puts the hands in your pants and scratches the ball? That's

so gross. I'm more grossed out with that story than the Icy Hot but why is it like that area so much more sensitive down there? Because like you can put it on every place of your body except your butthole and your balls in your in your Johnson? Well, you know, I was telling you this before the show,

yeah, tell you again, but they're saying that your balls have taste buds. Now.

How does somebody even know that and where's the test group for that? Because

did you have to? I mean, I couldn't tell you. Okay, I just I just remember seeing it was floating around Facebook for a while. Okay.

You sure it wasn't from the onion? I mean, or Babylon wasn't? What is that? Other one

Babble Babble online Avalon,

Avalon online or something that's

up solera wants to know he can't believe why Pete didn't one stop him. And he didn't because obviously Pete enjoys it.

I mean, she didn't account for time. He's got mine there.

I slow down. I said, Hey, guys.

I like what you're doing. Yeah.

All right.

This one's mine. Yeah. So this is a story about an Uber driver, who picked up some people in the I think it was the Memphis, Memphis area. And I couldn't tell by the article in New Orleans. I couldn't tell by the article whether or not he was actually going the wrong way or not. But these passengers were trying to tell him that he was going the wrong way. And he wasn't listening when he wasn't listening. Finally, he pulled over and argued with them and they got out in orders. Another Uber and Driver waited till the other Uber got there. went over to the other driver pulled his keys are the ignition, and then gotten to the fight with the passengers again, and then shot at them.


Yeah, he returned to the scene later. Yeah, he

left the scene and then came back. And that's when he got arrested.

What a dumb ass. Wait, he was later released from custody. What kind of bail did they get? I didn't see that. Yeah, the last line before the comments is under the you know, Panda Express ad. So looks really good. firecracker shrimp. He said he was later released from custody. Like how do you get like a $500 bond on aggregate aggregated aggravated assault with a firearm? illegal use of weapons like I wonder if

and theft. Three different Yeah, favorability price alone?

Yeah, you would think would be

Yeah, it's a felony. I mean, anything with a firearm is a felony. firearm

in different states. Yeah. And Michigan's what, 10 years automatic, right?

Something like that. I mean, at least you may not serve that, but you definitely, uh, so he's a douchebag. Yeah. Um, see, he's so this tweets kind of funny. I know, Pete can chime in. I think he actually shared this. I actually thought this was p on the retweet. But as somebody said, seriously, ask Lyft and Uber support How do y'all expect people to toddlers to carry a car seat booster seat if we don't

own cars or child in on that one? I chimed in on that one. But I mean, it doesn't matter what they expect or not.

Yeah, if you don't own your own car, I mean, Oh, wow.

What I'm just gonna put in Angela said that she had a guy suspected of finally I'm saying I don't like saw that one. Yeah, really kept on telling her how beautiful she was. He was like, dirt. Whoops.

That's twice getting over here. Hey, new pay rookie. That's my new term. What are you doing over here?

But you still are. I mean, I get it if you don't have a car but I mean okay so you take the train all the time take the bus

or the train right

you Those are not required to have car seats. I don't know if taxis are I don't

axes or not. See, I know what

is that?

Right? Why wouldn't you?

I don't understand what the differences Why Why is it so much safer? Even in buses? Like why don't kids have to?

Yeah my kids ride the bus there's no seat belts in there.

I don't know maybe they think they're tanks or something. But yeah, they've obviously done a study with seat belts and buses and that it's causes more issue if they have to get the kids out. That's probably what it is. Yeah, I mean, the chances of it crashing I don't know. But

the problem is not so much the car itself. It's everybody else right? Yeah. All the other stupid assholes on the road. Look at you, sir. Oh,

yes. Oh, yes. For combo deep breaths, just the whole thing right there.

I don't know I'm not going to read the whole thing about car seats and people being okay with take it and put their kids in my car. If without a car seat, I just don't get it. Yeah,

I think you can order one of those like, strap car seats now. fit in your back pocket.

Yeah, I think it's just, I don't know, in the United States, you need a seat or a car seat. If you go to other countries. They don't use them at all. But that's not the United States. So I think Uber Pete from DC nailed it. Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah. He's kind of a dick on Twitter. I mean, he, he's really snarky. He hates like, he basically, what am I trying to say? Anytime there's an issue. He's kind of a dick about it. I don't know. I haven't seen him a while but maybe I blocked

him. For those of you that can't see it. It says Parenthood is a responsibility. It is Yeah. So it is

at her. What do you call that the tagline for her is at suck my tweets. That's classy. Yeah. All right.

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Oh, yeah.

Do you didn't read it?

No, I did.

snitches kids did.

You didn't read it did do.

I read the article. I just don't like that photo.

What's wrong with it? It's great.

Ah, discretely snitch on that drivers.

So there's a new feature in the app for the riders and now they can do a ride. They can report to Uber. If the driver is doing something They don't like to do right, as Jason said they can snitch on the driver that just gets stitches. So yeah, and obviously in the app itself in the article itself, that talking about you know, people can, you know, can can report it and saying, hey, the driver is texting and driving doesn't have a phone mounting. There's no phone mount that kind of stuff. And and, you know, I don't have a problem with them having that feature in the app. I don't because it's gonna make us all safer.

Yeah, but what's the benefit of doing it? Real time because it literally says as we're, I'm looking at the article, it says my driver doesn't have a phone mount. And then you click Submit says, Thanks for reporting the issue. We will contact you after the trip. So why not just do it after the trip? Because it could make an awkward exchange in the car? Well, sure. I don't know.

But if the if they're not feeling safe. Yeah, we saw that video. What was that last week when somebody somebody sideswiped the Uber driver and he wouldn't allow his passengers and he was going crazy.

I mean, then you call 911. Well, that's extra he

was already calling 911.

What What is okay? So let's take that example. Perfect example. Let's say that feature had been active last week or two weeks ago when that happened. But what would Uber have been able to do different for that driver that would have changed that situation by being able to tell them right away? What was going on versus after the ride? Sure.

And probably nothing. I mean, it might.

So that's a good point. But if it's text, maybe it can, action can be done quicker. Like if you have to call Uber if you were going to quote I mean, in that situation, it's like you call 911. Right? Screw Uber at this point. You'll deal with that shit at the end. But right now you need to get saved. But I think maybe texting it now. I'm kind of retracting my statement, maybe texting gets to them quicker. So if something was to happen, I mean, I don't know. My my worry. I'm

not against the feature. Yeah. But I'm I worry that I mean, there was just a drop On Facebook earlier this week they got deactivated on Lyft because he was in an accident. Yeah. So that's happened to me as well. On Lyft and Uber, yeah, people have done it. So I worry that having that feature, people are going to try to get free rides even more,

it just encourages them to be able to do it.

Forget about it. They do mention that, that in the article about writers being able to use that system to to trick the system or to to get know exactly as you said.

Just be able to

report things that's not true to get free rides, right, you know, and they have to have some things in place to try and kind of

counteract it but how do you know that I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate.

Yeah, that's good to do that

because that does it even work. I mean, look at look at ivory.


yeah, I picked him up four times I'm left

and he just quote unquote probably been deactivated from support emailing you. I mean, they don't actually tell you Right, right.

Well, he told me once they he had several deactivated accounts.

Yeah. And he can just keep creating them right. Well, something's gonna happen with that and not just ivory but it could happen with him. He gonna kill somebody he killed driver for whatever reason and then what who's like I save everything you get from Uber, y'all. I mean, text messages, emails, like do not delete anything because you never know like, if you would have recorded that phone call from Uber, you'd be like, hey, they said they deactivated or you're dead but your wife can you know pull that up and be like I'm suing the shit out of you because you said you deactivate and he had another account. I don't know we probably signed our rights away for Uber anyways, their terms of service.

So yeah, I mean

all right, say You're going to snort.

Angela says Pete I'm convinced that Jason doesn't like me. Well and wise addressed me as daddy.

What What did I miss? That I don't like

her? Yeah, Angela, Renee.

I remember the name but I don't know. I don't. You have to give us more content. Yeah, I need more context.

It's okay. And he doesn't make any women.

So what are you implying? were like, man, what's wrong with that? Nothing. Let's move on. Okay.

Hi. P All right. Pete's videos up next. This is kind of what he dealt with over the weekend. Yeah, so this was

this is my second to last ride. Saturday night.

So I want to play it. Yep.

Oh, Oh, I know. There's a there's a good handful of people.

It's a midnight storm

many more people are coming that's it we're going out around the corner here that we're not going for

okay I can only fit two more in the back

well you know

we're literally going like five blocks

Can you can you can you swing us I think now yeah

check it out my my driver's license.

We have five blocks and I probably got my backpack in the trunk.

Yeah, actually I'm canceling the ride. So

yes, cancel.

You have to call the exile for that many people.

I mean, You can't just give me a ride there now.

Yeah, I say there's like we could easily just get split right now because the ride because that's some fucking dumb shit, dude. Okay. All we had to do was call

I'm gonna get out of the car.


All you got to do is get out of the car,

right? And you will be respectful. I was

until like he he started cussing at me and then right I didn't even want to really even cussing at me. He just started cussing and I just knew like, okay, yeah, if I give this guy a ride, it's gonna be a one star anyway, so

well you didn't get you're unable to get that Right. And that's why I started telling him

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, you could hear that saying that. And he was wearing some fucking lasers. Yeah.

It was a weird party there was they were all dressed a little.

Yeah. What people understand is the reason he canceled it is because he's gonna get a one star and he's he's like, I'm done with this shit. So

let's talk a little bit about that. There was a conversation earlier today on Facebook. They were talking about whether or not you know, people some some dialers, like they were saying just do it. Just Just come down with this comment. Oh, yeah. You know something about, you know, I'll take six people sometimes. But what he forgot to mention is the fact that he already had a van. And right different from Vans or force Excel vehicles that takes that it gets a four and they really should have taken six. Yeah, because guess what? It's not against the law. Right. That's the problem. Yeah. Whereas if your next vehicle and you take more than four that you said,

well, it's against the law. There's probably some insurance implications if you get down There is

absolutely there. Larry said I could have split the group up. And Larry's absolutely right. But if it would have been a better interaction between me and the guy, yeah, I probably would have have offered that. It's your call seemed nice when he first got in.

But then I just until he did the Yeah, we a little bit more than that.

Yeah. And the other problem was, it was a lot of people. Like there was at least there was one person in the back seat there was probably at least four or five, maybe even six. Okay, that were like trying to try to cram in.

See, I had I had a situation last weekend I was driving. So I was dropping somebody off. I picked somebody up at the airport. And I was dropping somebody off over an ADA and there was always, you know, cars in my area, right? But I had somebody fishing for an Excel vehicle on the next time. And it was so crazy. And I'm almost convinced as the same because they came up it actually ruined my rating. Damn bitches. Yeah, I know, but it came out four people in a row in a row first he came up with an Excel right? And and I accepted it was fine and they cancelled immediately. Okay, and I just know they saw there was a there was a van in the area, and they tried as an X up the same one save it was the exact same, you know, direction and destination to them so I knew it was the same. Yeah. And then they came up with an X and I declined them right. I declined it. And then almost immediately it came off as as a comfort like okay, fine, whatever. But then they can't they cancel their line convert they canceled. they canceled right? And then it came back three times as an ex afterwards right. And I cancelled cancel. Can you think that I had that?

Maybe yesterday the same person. It was an interrupt. I just think they didn't want me they didn't want a guy whatever it was. I don't know who it was, but

they wanted my vehicle. Yeah, that I was sure they were fishing. Still fishing for a large vehicle on the dock on the cost of a neck

now, can I encourage you next time to accept the x drive up to them get video of it and cancel right when they try to get in? like think about Sure. Think about us next time. That would have been a great video you'd be like, Suck it, man.

But you can't you don't think of it at the time. But now 2020 you're like I should have accepted that.

All right, I cut out a few of them out. But the next one I don't have a video on it.

We have next

um, this one I'm going to do. So Uber and Lyft both both bought a on the top. Although I think Ubers his cargo is right, because Uber owns part of cargo McCargo shut down shut down but they've they're doing this. Well. Yeah, they're doing the top of the car. So what are you what are you guys feeling about these? I mean, I'm not going to go into the article. You can you Well, where yourself

the issue is I, before I did this, I worked in the pizza business. Yes. Had car toppers. Yep. Most of them leased the company that we went through, which is what a lot of the pizza companies go through, right? They're only rated for like 45 miles an hour. Oh.

So you go on the highway. They don't always fly. But good, but like their rule is no faster than 45 I've seen a couple that were 55 Yeah, but none of them. Oh, interesting.

But that one is that one is actually my it's attached.

It looks pretty heavy duty. I didn't even notice that. I mean, it's not a magnet. Yeah. Because you Yeah, I mean, it looks like it has, I mean, obviously it has power. That's gonna be electrical. But here's the thing.

I mean, it's a screen.

It's a screen to monitor. So how much I mean, I don't think it I wouldn't do it for $200 a month. I think. I think it's a pain in the ass like okay, now I can't park in my garage. I have to take it off each I have to park in my garage. Can't run it through the carwash. So I got to take it off when I go through the carwash i mean is how much whatever your hassle factor is worth it or do you guys just think it's stupid and gardenia wouldn't do I would do it?

Well you're on that you wouldn't get anyways because you

drive enough I have comfort sounds good

no I don't but seriously I mean yeah, I mean what I wouldn't even do it if I was full time driver. Okay, I think it's stupid.

Yeah, you wouldn't do it even the right amount of money

well, I'm of course everything has around them. Well,

yeah, he talks Well, it does. But it's 200 enough.

No, is that what is that what they're saying?

I not in this article, but I I heard there's I saw it somewhere. I'm not gonna say it's fact. But I thought I saw I saw something about $200 a month.

I guess it all

Oh, okay. This one says 400.

It says Halo is fairly simple business model full time highly rated drivers who signed up. Applications are closed due to high demand got up to $400 per month agreeing to carry a connected video cable installation on their cars while they worked

$400 a month if

you're starting to shop, ask that's your gas bill, you start, you're starting to be up. I'm listening next year.

I mean, that's gas. That's your carwash. That's your

That's a lot. But

Disney is right though it's it has to be easy to take it on and off. It's

got to be easy. It does say marketers can even ask to shut off ads when the driver in certain areas. So an ad for a family movie won't run while the driver is passing by an adult store. So the drivers control that. Like we got to know we're pressing a pause

door, but they probably know GPS, so

well. I doubt it. I doubt it's gonna be automatic. I gotta run it. I don't know about that screw that I gotta get going on with I can't have a puppy in the car. And I can't be known when I go past the store. That's why it would be GPS.

I don't know. They're not asking us to do one more thing like geo fenced. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

maybe. Yeah, I guess that's I don't know. I don't know Florida. dollars a month. I might look into it. I'd look into it for 400 That's a lot. I mean, that's yes was like No,

I mean, I don't know. I don't know what my number is. This still seems too low.

Yeah. All right, we're gonna jump into your video. I skipped a few. So you might see that this is the the Ubers here. That's that video.

Do just play it. Just play it. It's funny.

Okay, you guys have called the Uber and it's gonna be here in six minutes. So I gotta get going.


I just called the Uber. It's gonna be here in like, five minutes.

Okay, cool.

Just putting on my coat. Does everyone know where the code is? Yeah. Free. Yeah. Like honestly, can you put on like your coat and stuff is going to be here in four minutes. So that's like pretty soon

hair look okay,

I think we could do better. Yeah, no, you're fine. Your hair looks totally fine. No, no, it's fine. Let's do it. We're going to be here in like four minutes. So tough time. Honestly, it's not a lot of time because like, you have to get your coat on. You have to get your bags to get downstairs. So lobby should do French braid. I can do that if you want. Would you Okay, you know what? You guys are still trying to braid. We're gonna be here in three minutes. Okay. You said it was four minutes away. Yeah, it got closer.

I'm gonna do a fishtail. Oh,

you guys honestly. It's gonna be here in like two minutes Hey Ross. Another sorry. Before we go

on Well, we're ready to clean up all this glass.

No, I don't know.

Oh, I can make you a quick pair of shoes. just graduated from high school. I'm gonna get the elevator.

God cobbler school.

I love that.

My hair. Oh yeah. Oh shit.

You guys. Honestly no the elevators broken into the car. I can cancel the car. Oh my God, he's here.

He's actually here now.

He's actually here look at the car. I can see it

we're right behind you

so work definitely big.

Guys I'm serious now.

Come on you guys come in.

We're just gonna make some shoes. Oh, can you rephrase my haircut? I think

you guys

have a shower.

girl that that that set up the ride that's the guy that sits up front.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah there's always Megan from Irvine's our studio sponsor. She was over Uber in the weekend she like

she may have drunk messaged me and at like 130 invoices like

I said the front Jay said like the mob, cuz I ordered.

Like I remember you talking about that. She doesn't sound like that, but I'm trying to do it girl voice. But uh, yeah, so, yeah, you know, that happens all the time. It was really funny. They did that really well. Um, tip time. Tip time is brought to you by

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this kitchen trash bags,

but even those they kind of come rolled up.

No I know but but those they're much better in the scenes,

so they won't believe.

Yeah, it is it is a smaller, thicker plastic. Yeah, it's a smaller area where they have to hit but I mean, it's like just put it up to your mouth. You'll get it. Oh, yeah, definitely.

So the audio is cruisin for a bruisin. Why? He says Jason, you want to use a girl voice just talk normally.

That's my that's my Mickey Mouse voice when I get excited, Leo. Sure. You don't

hear about you getting excited, man.

Yeah, I don't know about Ziploc bags. Yeah, I mean, I think we all

I stood in my kitchen trying to close the damn ziplock. I know, like 100 times once not drunk.

Yeah. You can just spin them, right? Yeah. I mean, you just spin them in you. I don't know, depending.

That's what I did. Okay, so we're gonna, I was doing with the Icy Hot balls. Yeah, he was.

All right.

Again, it's a packet. 2424 bags for $10 on Amazon.

Yeah, cheap. Yeah. So I want to talk about the Patreon again, you know, for $5 a month you get nothing just because you love us. No one's done that yet. I get it. I we had to make two tiers. So. Yeah, so the go to GR right. Or I'm sorry slash gi rideshare. Get Free merge behind the scenes, the gig economy podcast, all that fun stuff. So we thank you for supporting.

Yeah, we

we appreciate everyone that's on board right now. And we you know, we definitely love some more in there. It helps kind of pay the bills and that kind of stuff. So we're gonna jump into Facebook shenanigans. The first one that was Sam, I'll just go for it. I share This Oh, it's a picture of a McDonald's drive thru and it says so I was in the McDonald's drive thru yesterday and the lady behind me honk and me and flip me off because I was taking too long to order. Who does that by the way, like, chances are it's probably the employee that hasn't got to the to the microphone yet or whatever. So he says I paid for her food. I moved up and she leaned out the window looking out crazy at me because the teller told her I paid for her food. She felt embarrassed. When I got to the second window to get my food. I showed them both receipts it took her food to I paid for It's mine. Now she has to wait even longer. She's gonna learn today. I mean, ain't wrong. I mean, yeah, wrong. You probably should have just gave her her food. You know, you know, let's spread a little kindness, but that was frickin awesome. I totally like that. So

this one's totally

Yeah, so I didn't have I don't know why I just did the the text for this. So you just see us again on the screen, but So stank a Smith I mean, I'm just reading what her name is to Uber Lyft drivers Facebook group. Why is it always the bitches in the back whose name isn't even on the Uber account that asked me about a fucking auxiliary cord or for me to change the fucking station sit your ass the fuck back. Listen to this good s 90s r&b and stop playing in my backseat. Thanks.

So are they the one sitting behind the driver? Probably.

Probably Sam.

I also just wondered if your name is now stinky Smith. Stan.

I like that thing in our telegram group snake Smith. So yeah, stanky doesn't put up with any bullshit but yeah, when if when if she slaps hands, who slaps hands?

Stanko Smith. I don't.

I gently move them.

The more I'm looking for you. This is the driver and a passenger. I'm on my way I had to get out of the restroom. A lot. Wow, shit happens. Oh wow, you just made my day. This is gonna be fun.

Yeah, this little poop emoji.

Yeah, a little bit of texting back and forth between drivers and

yeah, it's fun to get when you get a little playful time.

Usually it's like were you

I'm here do your dog. Yes I am. Are you at 4747 Oh yeah.

Mo front asshole.

Peter tonisha that's your new name.

I deserve

that. Are you gonna get a new license and Nisha

plus one adult? Plus for kids? No car seats on quickly. Kids 2457 and age. Me plus the other adult will have a child on the lap. The other two were right next to me.

Know what the f

Yeah, I mean,

guys, it's it'd be it'd be funny to think that this is like a joke. But this is a real situation. No

yeah this happened in our Grand Rapids market this happens every day yeah

so no way

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