Episode #103

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guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. This studio is sponsored by Irvine auto repair in Grand Rapids hybrid and Ev. We'll talk about them a little bit later. Oh, shit. I don't have my rundown of typical Jason. Thank you for joining us tonight. I asked for how are you? Good. How are you? Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. All right. Before we jump into things I would love for you to share the show on your local Facebook group retweeted on Twitter smash that like button on YouTube and always subscribe, please, we would really, really appreciate it. Of course, you can follow us at gig economy hyphen podcast.com. You can also follow us on Tik Tok and we actually have a new Facebook group that I started today it's more of a community group it's not a page it's a Facebook group where you can go in and bitch about what everyone else bitches about and all the other fucking groups so

maybe not making enough money Yeah,

making enough money How are the roads stuff like that? So I

think you know speaking of the road that's why we remote tonight we kind of have an in between of bad roads. Yeah, I mean, a little bit slippery earlier than probably the weather is probably about done now. But we decided not to crowd into it.

Yeah, exactly. Yep. Mark says how are the roads? Yeah, exactly. So So yeah, check out that Facebook group that would be be great if you could join that and you know, just post whatever you want in there. Just be you know, don't be racist.

Then Jason's gonna kick you out? Yeah, I

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Also known as him and I was just kind of shooting the breeze shooting

the breeze, but hey, you

got this fun. Good talk. Yeah, it got a little bit of standard stuff, too. So

yeah, so yeah, we're more than just gigmasters. We're humans. Check out our telegram group. We'd love for you to join us there. And then of course, rideshare rodeo, you go to rideshare rodeo.com. That's our Steve, our sister show. It's funny. We got an email today or yesterday that said, Hey, Steve and team love to connect with you blah, blah, blah. It's been a while. Here's my phone number. It was for somebody that we had interviewed a while back. I never told Steve this. So he's gonna hear this for the first time. And I was like, Hey, this is Jason and yes. For he's like, Oh, this isn't rideshare rodeo when I'm like, Nope, he goes, I thought it was the same thing. I'm like, Okay, we've been we've been sucking face a little too much. I said, No, no, no, we're, we're, we support each other. We're on a lot of stuff together. But no, we are not the same thing where we were two separate podcasts. So

that was kind of he still wants to talk to us again, though, so

yeah, I mean, he probably just said that just to be nice, but you know, he's probably trying to hustle on for sponsorship or something.

I know. Hey, Steve. Yeah, he's ours. You can't have we talked to

him first. mrfr. So yeah, I'll be on the radio show this Friday two from seven. So we lost my train of thought because I muted him. Oh, you're gonna swear me? The radio show Friday seven, nine Eastern go to TNC Radio dot live to join in. You could download the Android or iOS app. We would greatly appreciate it. And yes, for now you can interrupt me go. Fill I'm ready. No Fill content. You got five minutes to fill go.

Five, five minutes. What what do you put me on the spot?

Oh, no. Remember, you're doing the ads this week? No, you didn't say Yes, I did. Who was in this last show? Janet was Janet. i He said I told him he was doing the ads next week, didn't I?

I can't do the ads. That's like, No, you can't do that.

We only have one. So one sponsor? I just prepared. You never are. Steve. It's the guy from launder. Steve Nielsen, I think or Steven Nelson. How do you say that? I always see the word Steven. It's spelled s t even. You say Steven right?

Yeah. PHV

So then how do you say Steve? Is that Is it see Janet? Yes. You sure dead? Look at that. Boom. She was on the show last week or last time?

What do you said it doesn't mean that you know I am going to do it.

I'm just gonna mute my mic.

There you go. But no, Stephen is pH Yeah.

Well, what is what is Stephen then? It's there is no Steve and

no, there's no Steven.

Come on. What the in there stuff. Fine, but the fun

but that's with an F pH. It's just pronounced that way.

That always mess me up. You know what else used to mess me up is Shawn, where the ca n or n O C?

S E N? J J Yan Shan

though that must be in a different country then.

Well that's the desta Spanish way. Oh, is it? Yeah, no, that's not Spanish. Oh, sorry. French. Oh, French.

Gotcha. Shawn. What? What podcast? Did you just stumble on the language process? Deaf? Alright. Stories from the road. I didn't write anything down this last two weeks. But uh, it's been busy. Like, no, it's not been busy. It's been slow. I didn't mean I'm just gonna say I've been trying to stay busy. Yeah, I've been complaining to yes per house low. It's been it's been I

came in early today because I don't want to be on no fucking roads or not making any money blah, blah. do you how do you like my accent my my way of pronouncing Jason. That was me bitching that owes you? Yeah.

No, I have you. I haven't tried to go out early to get to get the jump on stuff. But and I'm telling you, it's been rough. And then today, we got snow all day. And as like DoorDash is like super busy. $5 P PE finally get on not not a frickin order. Not an order, because there were so many people on trying to get that peak pay. There wasn't enough orders to support the $5 peak pay. Right. So, man, it's a that's that's a struggle.

And define to grow? I don't think it's define I think it's Steven.

I think it is Steven to either do

even it's even what do we

talk about this on the show? Geography math or names apparently.

There you go. We could jump right into the next hour unless you want to do their Montana again. Did you do the math?

I haven't. You're up. Hold on. I can't do the let me get it up there. No. There you go.

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You too bad? You forgot to say Irvine's dot com to schedule all your services. That's right. But that was great. Like calm that was that's that's pretty. Pretty good. Yes. Bravo press. Yeah. Okay. So thank you. Hopefully

Megan isn't too mad at me. No, no,

she's only mad at you because you won't bring your car there work in the

car that the black cars pretty much paid. Oh, speaking of car, I made my last auto payment on the van today. Yay.

Yeah, no doubt as you're driving to Aldi tomorrow, you get fucking T boned. Like shit.

Well, I haven't I haven't given up the big insurance on it yet, but I will probably next month

I kept mine on. I don't know, I don't mind having laws, you

have to have it when you drive Uber.

I don't think you have to have full coverage. You Oh, really, I didn't know that. I thought you could kind of get away with the the, the writer and then some lower coverage for you're used to require full coverage, it may still be true. But that brings up a good segment, we're actually February 16. We're interviewing buckle which Steve has posted, or has interviewed. It's an insurance company for for gig workers. But it's an all inclusive insurance company, meaning you'd get your personal and but it's I'm not even trying to explain it. I haven't talked to him. But it's not just an extra rider you get like tons of extra insurance. So

when I think that's that's the thing that we're gonna be very interested to see in the years to come is the entire as as the gig economy is going to continue to integrate into everything. The insurance companies kind of have to change to follow along. It won't just as you said, it's not just going to be a writer. And it's not going to be full commercial insurance. As you know it today, either. It's going to be this weird hybrid.

And I think it's probably good for the insurance company that have another avenue to make money, right? Because no, we don't want the commercial policy, like you said, cuz that's gonna be like $400 a month. But we definitely need more something than just you know, what we got over on this side. So yeah, I'm looking forward to talking to them. And I just don't know if I'm comfortable switching my entire insurance company to somebody that is nothing against Buckle. It doesn't matter who it is, if it's not a State Farm, or GEICO or whatever. I think I'm with progressive. I don't know if I'm comfortable with that.

You know, it's interesting. You said that about 20 years ago, when I got to America. There's there's always been a website around called lower my bills.com. Do you have you heard about Yes. Okay. So 20 years ago, I was still on whatever was kind of looking around. And at that time, I switched our phone provider, Lou, you know, find out from our tough haul a stand up hotline, to you know, one of the famous was one of the big ones like TDC, or whatever the hell they were called to somebody, nobody could pronounce something. We had little whatever. And he was working fine. I was saving a fortune. Okay. So I was one of the earlier I'm assuming I was one of the early adopters in this thing here. And our phone bill went down like 5060 bucks a month. Okay, it was crazy. But it was one of those things is like, why doesn't everybody just follow? Follow along?

Well, I think, yeah, I think eventually people do. I can have an example with my cell phone. I was with Verizon, and XFINITY, which is my internet provider, they're like, Hey, we have cell phones now I'm like, Oh, hell no, I'm not jumping on. And then more and more people did it and they got good feedback. And so now I pay $130 for four phones a month, you know what I mean? So

I'm actually pretty close to probably switching to Google phi. I'm not gonna look at that. It's pretty decent price and particularly with their new they have a new plan well, basically if you keep on this plan, no matter what every two years they're just gonna send you a new phone.

Oh, really? That's kind of nice. But but you're always making a payment though. Right?

Exactly. You'll never own the phone but you know right now you do it anyways, right? Yeah. So anyways, you just post this No, I didn't click on it.

No, no, did you just write this

right what look on this own? No, I didn't mind

who has access to our account then?

I don't know. I didn't write I didn't either.

That's super weird. You didn't type that in and hit enter.

I did not.

What Duff FOC

that's super interesting.

So somebody have access to the Facebook account.

Holy shit. I wonder who's an admin in there? It's probably fucking Pete. Pete's probably still fuckin admin.

It was P

was it? It was me. Dang it Pete. Phone LogMeIn oh so he is still an admin. Okay. That's so funny. It really, uh, clearly we were on top of that pizza show for like,

champions tonight my gosh, I

was like, I literally was going to Facebook to figure fine pee. I'm just glad it was you. I'm like, Oh, no.

Sorry. You're ready to move on.

Yeah, let's move on after we talked about insurance, but

I know so do you want to show your photos cuz? Yeah, I'm a cool

I'm working on it. So I finally upgraded my logo on the back of the car. No, no, the logo so I had for the longest time the GR rideshare adventures logo on the back of my car. And finally, Justin made me a couple slides. I actually have one more we might do it for a giveaway at some point if you want it if you're my

car. You want it? I'll give it to you. I think it's I think it's cool to see how you didn't actually bother clean the whole window just to

look at how dirty my car was. That was a day that I couldn't get to the carwash and I had to clean the shit out of that to put that sticker on. But yeah, look at the top of that. It's incredible.

And then the next one this is cool.

This is my new license boy I know people say you're not supposed to show your license plate but whatever you can find out where I live I don't really give a shit but yeah, it's my new license plate. I would love the new winter wonderland plate and I thought why not get a personalized plate so

when the new the new personalized face another expensive right? No, it's

15 bucks. Yeah, who cares? Yeah, so I thought that was kind of cool. It's Oh, that's yeah, people recognize my car and that sticker though not the plate because the plates new because I I've Do you remember Liberty clerk?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. She called you out?

No, no, she's like, she messaged me on Facebook. She's like, I know you're at Walmart shopping. And she's like, I parked right next to your car like yeah, when I get a new car people are gonna not recognize me You know, I don't know what I didn't know which one was hers.

Just keep both sides who cares?

So p Okay. Back to what he said. What I said is look at out of those fake gas gas companies that people get scammed. Yeah, like the DTE scammers not DTE but they're like oh, we work for a bla bla bla you know what I mean? So

thank you, Steve. Patreon, LinkedIn, I like it. I like it.

So yeah, those are my two new new things going on with the show. I finally upgraded my sticker and I got a new plate. That is kind of cool. So next picture. Yes.

I like that one a short.

Yeah, I always give these to you.

I know I know. Cuz I of course you do you always everything like that. Like, and this is a daughter's order. From big tisby No for law for big tits be whatever she does. She's the person that making the order. I like how it says please use this ID instead of your customer name.

Oh, can you imagine I'm here for you walk into like a fan. Like a big fan. They can be big. Just be here. Anybody? Oh my god. It shows like, Why does? Why do these companies allow this shit.

I like I think I think that when I saw it, it said I immediately cancelled that or I would

too. Because literally, I never used the order number like no one has ever asked me for the order number they always asked for the name. I think I would have been that one time or I would have just held my phone up and not set it because I normally don't like to do that to that I asked that name. Unless I can't pronounce it. I'm like, I'm not gonna yell big tits. big tits be and like a family restaurant or something that I'm picking up?

Yeah, what are Danny's right?

Yeah, somewhere where there'd be some kids around when you're screaming into the back. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they should be able to put whatever they want on I think they should have

control that though. What's, you know what? You know?

I mean, you want to be inclusive, right? So just because you have a different name you want to be able to allow?

I would hate my parents. I'm telling you that.

They named you that. God dang it. All right.

Yeah, name me that right. Yeah.

John says imagine being the restaurant worker rest of mainly input that order and they know the point of sale. Yeah, they probably laughed too. Oh, all right, real quick. Next up, this is a we're gonna have to replay this a little bit because it happened so quick. But this is a FedEx driver that literally throws the package from awestruck. I don't think I can fast forward when I play this. So it comes at about 30 seconds I think. Let's watch it one more time. I should have done like a slow mo but I like it hitting the back of the you can you can tell when he's coming up, you can hear the brakes Damn. That was incredible. He has quite the arm. Well, not only he has quite the arm. It's kind of like, he kind of curved it a little bit because he knew it was gonna, like, oh my god, this is what that MacBook is gonna. I know.

So it's actually the district my wife just had a she got a new phone. We it broken. So they I like how Assyria and just kind of sends a new phone. But they comes to the FedEx that could have been a new phone now. Yeah, another one. The FedEx

is terrible. Like, we were kind of doing some stuff in our bathroom, and we ordered some mirrors, and frickin one of them was broken. It's like FedEx just throw shit all over the place. And I could probably get on one of those videos too. Because if I have clothes for Amazon, I chuck that thing. How do you know, you can feel you can feel it? You know what I mean? You can feel it like, you know, you just chuck it. So yeah, I do the same thing. But I would never do that.

I'm surprised not not when there's a ring cam,

right. I'm surprised FedEx and Home Depot, Home Depot, UPS have gone to the photo system of where the driver has to take a photo along with that. They just, they just use GPS pin because when they scan it, it puts a pin right where they're at. So it doesn't actually prove that they deliver it, although there are tons of cameras on everyone's doorstep. So but yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised that the bigger companies haven't gone to that.

It is yeah, that's gonna be another area we're gonna see a bunch of changes to come. I mean, I see a lot of companies now are introducing the the drop boxes. Instead of instead of, you know, just putting it on on on your front porch. Now you have to actually put it in a box.

kind of works with the smaller packages, but like anything bigger, you know, and my guess is those bigger ones that are get stolen. Not the super heavy ones, but one that might not quite fit in that locker,

the TDC TVs and stuff. Oh, gosh,

I've delivered TVs from wall I know. I bet you for the Super Bowl coming up. I will get some TVs and it's like no box. It's not covered up. You just throw that son of a bitch on the front porch. And I think a lot of it too is like they're so cheap now. So like yeah, I don't give a shit if they steal it. Like we

don't have to be moved into this house. My wife ordered a dress online. But it was a it was a solid wood dresser. I kid you not I swear I think the FedEx driver. He hated us that day. was a heavy it came in two boxes. Really.

So when we got our countertop delivered, it was it was 90 pounds, and I watched him on the camera. I'm like, he's gonna fuck this thing up, bro. But I watched him he actually lowered it down. And then he just dragged one corner. Yeah, up until the garage. He didn't even use it dolly and that's the thing too. Like a lot of those guys have dollies but it's quicker to just kind of like and handle it like that. Then try to put it on a dolly but I'm like if this motherfucker breaks this thing I need this thing today

man handle, man handle manhandle. That's true. Okay, do you want to talk about the first article? No, we actually have one picture before that other picture. I'm sorry about that.

That's okay. No, that's not it. There we go. Start to read. You might have to read it off the dock. Ah,

yeah, I got a starting January 24 2022. Only if you work for Apple to takes customer orders directly. This is I actually missed this one here in the in the line of what services does.

Okay, so I'll run down and I miss something on it as I reread it. So this is for New York City. Oh, I wish they have those general rules like A B five and all that shit. But what I did miss it says starting January 24. Only if you work for apps that take customer orders directly. So doesn't that. Does that mean DoorDash or does that

mean would that would be DoorDash that would be Oh,

okay. Yeah, it would be all the apps and I was thinking it was the restaurant it was talking about

no Yep, calm the order comes in in the apps interface.

Yeah, okay guys, you so basically starting at the end of this month, last month Apsos tell you how much the customer tips for each delivery as well as tell your total pay and tips for previous day. You may have better access to restaurant bathrooms. When you pick up orders you may have better like that you'll

not make Have, you may have better access on the line to me? Yeah.

So then I guess in April, you have more control how you over your deliveries, you can limit how far you will go from restaurants. Ah, that's awesome for us

to use bridges or tunnels. Yeah,

that's kind of what I'm driving hit tility helper kind of can do that anyways, you know what I mean? So, go ahead. Say I was just gonna quick read these apps must pay you at least once a week app must tell you route details before you accept a delivery. And apps will give you free insulated food delivery bags after six deliveries. What a random, what a random thing.

Well, I think it's good, right? Because then at least they are making sure that the food is staying warm on Yeah, no. Yeah. Now it's actually a pretty good intro into the next article, which I'm not going to read the article, but you can. Did you introduce it at all?

I actually have a video I'm sort.

I'm a dick.

Why don't you jump in here? Okay.

Let's do this first. And we'll deliver that deliver the video after after? Yeah, go for it. Because here's the thing. So the interesting part is that this is obviously talking about how that all the special rules for for delivery drivers and so forth. The Adam, that article I'm talking about is how, in Spain, they did it too, but it backfired. Totally. And so all these rules, so they're doing in Spain right now. And it's really the same set that they're doing in California and all that stuff. It's basically the whole idea about harm, whether or not no delivery drivers are we are we contract workers, are we employers, what are we? So in Spain, they introduced in the entire country introduced a very, very rigorous rule set that you're supposed to be employees. But the companies are fighting back like crazy, like Deliveroo, which is just, well, that's the company that the company there was just bought by Uber. Anyway, so one of those companies fired 3000 cars employ 3000 drivers, because they didn't want to do that. Right? Another one just pull out completely Spain. So these companies are just fighting it. But one of the things that the articles that I thought was very interesting was that one of the apps, it's not an app we have over here, but they they completely changed their, their what's called the algorithm, the algorithm. Thank you. So that it was more again, so the main to ensure that they weren't employees, but they were gig workers, right? They were the contractors, contact workers. And the interesting part was is it actually completely killed the drivers because what they did, they lowered the base rate. But then they gave the drivers a multiplier, right? So the multipliers, not the driver to delivery drivers, they could set their own multiplier, thinking that the idea was now because they could do that. Now they are setting the rules themselves. And now they have to be contract workers. The problem is, it backfired. So now what happened is, the drivers who sit there multiply to hide don't get no orders, of course, right? And so they have to sit there multiply low enough they can get on and now they're making half the money they were making before. Oh, man, it's like, What the fuck. And in Spain, you have to pay, you have to pay a fee to be a contract worker, which is about the same your pay over here as your contract taxes and that kind of stuff. Right? You pay that. So sometimes, the article is stating that, you know, some months they have to decide whether they can pay the fee, or they can feed them their family because this is the thing that is a crazy amount of money that they're making, like so little. This was like the one of these people saying that I'm trying to find the numbers so I can be specific, basically, and this is ridiculous. This was a Rodriguez he used to work as a homeless was it stripper? No, no, no, no. Bay, I forget what it was, but he can't he came to Spain. And he couldn't find it, you know, couldn't find a job. And so then he finally decided to start working for this company. And let's see, oh, she I'm sorry. Well, this year and now between 800 and 1000 euros a month. Okay. Now, and that comes out that comes out to about 600 to 800 pounds, which the pound is just a little bit more than $1. Can you imagine even living for $1,000 a month?

I mean, depending on Spain. I don't know what their costs The Living is not that

much different. No, once you as dawn paying for the pain, the vat, the Freelancer fees and the income tax, the salary is now about five to 700 euros, which is four to five, about four to 804 to 640 600 pounds, which is $700 a month. Like,

can you imagine they have the same cost of living? How do you even what's eight why?

Obviously, depending on what area exactly, you're because there's still a cost of living is still a little bit different here and there. But it's not that

crazy different and they own a car doing this the whole time.

So that's why it gets even more difficult. Some of the delivery companies requiring you to this is this one was on a bike, but you could do they want to buy. And they because you're a contract worker, you have to pay for your own back, they require you to pay for their back pay pay for their back and all that stuff. So it was just all these things that, you know, Spain put all these rules again, together, they're supposed to protect the worker, and it just backfires. And it completely works against it. Because the companies won't, they will do everything they can to. to to to fight against it, which is just proves is like government needs to stay out of some of these things. Yeah, obviously, you can't. It's just getting making it worse.

Yeah, the bottom line is you can't have your cake and eat it too. Like, you're gonna You thought you were gonna make all this money. And they're like, Okay, like, clearly the companies realize what they what these guys were going to do. And they made out like a bandit. So yeah.

And as John says, don't be surprised if you see the same here soon. It's right. I think sometimes. Some of the company some of the workers want is why they think they want to be an employee. But no, because all the stuff that we like about the gig economy, it's kind of be taken out of it. Yeah, and it's not gonna work.

Like we've always said, I do want a little bit of balance with government involvement, meaning like, some things just so it doesn't be so shady, or, or we talked about a right to appeal and that kind of stuff. But other than that, I don't want this and yeah, let's let's hope that it doesn't come. I don't think it will. I mean, that clearly the apps have a shit ton of money to fight this stuff. So I'm hoping that it doesn't come to Michigan, at least. Hopefully not even though it is a kind of a blue state.

I think what's what's going on? Is the state to seeing that the apps are here to stay. Right. And it does help it does help the economy. Yeah, but they can ruin them. And I think so that's that's gonna be their that's gonna be the balancing act. How much do we have to regulate? And how much can we regulate it before we ruin it? Yeah, why does she that one. But that was an interesting article. It was in just say, can you guys can read if you want to. It was in the hawk magazine. And it's an instrument. He's very long. That's why I didn't I did kind of took apart a couple of spots out here and there. But it is an interesting read. And so yeah,

John's like he's in California. No hope. Like, yeah, you need to get out of there. You're paying like $6,000 a month for rent or mortgage payment over there. So

I will I want to go. So I want to visit California. I'm not sure I'm ready to live there yet.

Yeah. John says I'll give them props for Prop 22. It's been amazing. Are you being sarcastic or

I think John, we should have you on the show and talk to you as as as one of the workers. Actually,

we did try to bait him on Monday. And he bailed? No, he said shit going on.

We'll make it work, John. We'll make it work.

No, he's serious. Yeah, your internet's kind of laggy a little bit. Yes. For mine. Yeah, it's a little laggy Oh, I'm sorry. It's okay. It's

talk so much

new all it's good. Yeah, exactly. Maybe it's like Oh, yes. Where your connection let me mute you. Alright, let's watch this video real quick. I know you've all seen it. You know with us doing a new show every well not really new show but every two weeks most of stuff you have seen but it's still it's still a good video and I've actually seen it all the way through be honest with you. So basically, a DoorDash driver gets arrested and this is what happens.

It's usually not a good thing when the police show up at your door bought for one South Dakota woman the unexpected visit was merely a cue that it was time for lunch. Take a look

No, I'm not here expecting but they can oh my gosh see they They protect the answer. The DoorDash delivery person got pulled over and arrested minutes earlier. So Sioux Falls police officer Sam Byrd decided to complete that Arby's delivery himself going above and beyond how people are tempted Well,

yeah, come in you know, go ahead. No, no,

I would say the best part is I really noticed he he actually drove the food to the house. He didn't arrest him right in front of the house because I was like, where's the purpose car like what's going on here?

Do you know the other thing that I know it sounds great. But the food was still sealed so the officer didn't help himself

Ah yeah, that's a good idea. Mark says probably a second job got to pay those bills Yeah, you know cop salary what it used to be a US me I thought that was great. It's always nice to see the the nicer side of the police and nicer videos of DoorDash is being delivered. I wonder what he got popped for? I swear the cop said it but it kind of the lady kind of talked over him. But anyways,

probably he got arrested those I mean, it wasn't just a speeding ticket or something, you know? Yeah. Either

didn't have a license and or had a warrant.

So that the customer tip the driver and the officer that's a good question, John. That's a good

that's a really good question.

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then you'll then yes Are we the only person on our show that hasn't had it done? hasn't gotten to fucker All right here's another video I got to give a shout out to Pete for this one he shared it he's actually still got access to our group because every once a while you see something on Reddit and I actually didn't see this one. I try to avoid incar ones lately I don't know why it's just it feels like you've seen it once you seen it all but this was actually good. This is about a guy that's not letting the guy in with his daughter without a car seat. Let me get to that real quick but the trip

Pete In the olden days yeah back

in that the oh gee have no car seats alright here we go.

Oh yeah, I'm gonna pay for my compensation for God what did you do for us bro? I didn't tell us we couldn't get no right if I would do for you put your child at risk and your child get injured or killed you want to get us a not rap? I know. I can't bro Who the fuck wants around with a booster seat that they know that Oh, come on bro. It's against the law you get out the car you do I'm not gonna So,

and he makes him get out of the car. Well,

the interesting part is he talked about a booster seat. So did the driver have a booster seat in there? And then the kid wasn't quite big enough for that. I was

no no. He says who walks around with a booster seat. He was requiring

Oh, gotcha. You get the boost? Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, no, I totally get that although When we traveled to Florida, I don't know many years ago when the kids were small. We went to Disney World, the one and only time, at least with them. But it was so damn expensive. We actually brought our booster seats on the plane and we tagged them. And so then when we got to Florida and drove around, we had the car seat. So they usually

don't make you pay extra for me though. They'll check them. So yeah, it's Yeah, problem.

It's not extra, no, surprisingly. But I actually think that driver handled that incredibly well, like a guy wanted to fight him. And it was just, he's like, bro, I'm not gonna fight you.

He was clear headed and everything. It was not a big deal. I used to drive. I used to have a booster seat in the back of my car, and I would use it once in a while. And would you? I did, because it was, you know, it's approved booster seat and it wasn't, you know, it wasn't expired or anything like that. Yeah. I would offer it up to my my passengers sometimes.

Yeah, we go, we go back and forth. You know, you know, when Pete was on the show, we talked about this endlessly about liability and stuff. And honestly, how do we I don't know if we ever reach out to insurance company and say, who would be liable at this moment? Like, is it the driver? I mean, obviously, it is the driver. If I think the liability we obviously know the liability if you don't have a car seat. Right, right. Yeah. But I was I think we talked a lot about the liability if we provided our own car seat. And there was an accident and the child did get her and not not a fault of the car seat. But right. Oh, shit still happens when you're in the seat belt or a car seat? You know? We never did ask an insurance company if we would be liable. I really don't think we would.

I think particularly in if the if the car seat at least wasn't expired. There was that? Yeah, expiration date on it, which I don't even know how many people are aware of the fact that car seats expire.

I think if you buy a car seat knew you're good until your kids out of that car seat, I think Oh, sure. Yeah. Long enough. Yes. But I wonder why they put expiration dates on them. Like,

I think it's, it's because of the you know, first of all, pastic does get brittle and so forth. So that does happen. But I also think it's, it's to allow for new things, new research, new technology, so people always have the newest for that when it comes to safety of car seats. So it could be like

Apple trying to get you to upgrade your phone.

Yeah, no, I think it's just as much to people to ensure that people don't just buy a used car seat and use that forever.

Man. People buy used car seats all the time. And I I sold my old car seats. No, they weren't expired. But still, you never know. There's the you're also supposed to throw it out if it gets in a car accident, too, because you just never know if it was compromised. But yeah, that guy did a good job. John Boehner brought up that's why I don't do rideshare shit. There's more reasons than that. Why I don't want to do rideshare but, but right now it's slow as fuck. And I'm doing rideshare and I don't I didn't do it today. I was like, I'm not driving passes around the snow. I've already stressed out for myself. I know. I don't want to have someone else in my car.

Didn't I hear that somebody ordered? It was kind of interesting about that. I think I think I heard somebody had a Walmart order with a car seat to the to be delivered to the airport.

No, that was me. Was that you? Yeah. Did I not talk about it on the show?

I don't know. Maybe? I don't maybe that was it. I must know. But then was that now somebody then needing a currency to be to take a car to take a ride?

No, I think what happened was, can you remember that? But did I talk about this? John? Yeah, man. Anyone that's a super fan that listens to all our shows that I talked about the car seat at the airport. Let me know if I did or not.

I don't know if he did or not. I don't remember. I it made me think of that. At least that story.

No, I think the the car seat one. I think they probably fucked up a car seat. And they were probably replacing it. And that's why I delivered it to the airport. I don't know what

the coolest thing that I've ever done. I rented a car in Denmark once and that had a built in car seat that

Yeah, we all built in booster seat right? Yeah, yeah. Not for like infants. But like toddlers.

It was a BMW which I didn't you know, anticipate but there was a little button and it kind of the seat came up.

It was really cool. Okay, I have to tell this story then. Because it's a good story. Yeah, no,

tell the story. How do you know about it? You did I do hold me I think you're doing you're talking to me on it. Okay, so anyways, I

get I get a it's called a batch order from Walmart and it's like 10 stops and they all have like one item I last ones at the airport. I'm like, this is frickin weird. So I don't know how to cancel just one. Oh, so I was like, all right. I'll call the contact and I call the contact and it says hi. I said It was Janelle or something. She's like, I go, Janelle. She's like, Yeah, you know, you know that phone, you're like, Hi, this is Jason from Walmart, and I'm delivering a car, see, and I just want to make sure where I need to go. So I don't waste any time and I can drop it off. Who's this? And then she's like, she's like, who's it for I go, it's for Frontier Airlines. And I said, and she's like, in Grand Rapids, and I was like, yeah, and she's like, I haven't been lived in Grand Rapids for two years. And I don't work for Frontier Airlines anymore. So when her and I just had this conversation, just laughing back and forth. She's like, Yeah, they must have never took my name off the Walmart account. I'm like, I was just calling to see where to put the damn thing. And she's just die and laugh. And she goes, No, I hate that place. I'm in Rhode Island now and funny story. So then I get there. And no one by frontier. It's a very small airlines. So I ended up talking to sweet lady from Southwest. And she tried to message people and she's like, you know, you can just leave it here. And I laughed, but I it's funny that I thought I told that story. But Janelle and I were laughing so hard, like it was just the funnest, what turned in what I was when it looked like it was going to be a difficult delivery, right? It turned out great. And I had such a fun time talking this lady how frontier wires is a bunch of dumb asses and haven't changed the contact on their Walmart. And I didn't have to bring it back to the store. So that was even better.

But but it was frontier who ordered the car seat?

Yeah, it literally said frontier wire or wireless Frontier Airlines on the account. That's

the account. That's cool. So maybe they were doing that for our customer.

Yeah, my guess is like I said that baggage fucked it up. You know, or they dropped it from the top of the plane and it bro maybe so that's cool. Yep. Well, thank you, John. For

Matt. Disrespectful.

Disrespectful. So we got about 48 minutes do we wanna? Well, I guess we can talk about Yeah, we can talk about the rest of them, you're up access to gig economy may spur small business creation.

This was actually yet another very cool article that I found. And I think, you know, I can, I can kind of recognize some of that in myself and kind of that kind of stuff, the auto. Again, it goes to, it says access to gig economy may spur small business creation, study fine. So this is an article at Rice University news and media relations, I'm assuming they're the university who did this study. And basically, it just goes out that saying that the gig economy is, is providing more, what's the word I'm looking for more and more opportunities, opportunity is in the sense of allowing people to start their own companies, because now they don't have, they don't have to go out and get a business owner, that kind of stuff. If the nurses if they don't have the necessary savings to start a company, now, the gig economy will kind of give them the opportunity to go out and make that extra money while they're building, building their business or, you know, testing the entrepreneurial spirit, if you will. So that's kind of cool. And that seemed to work, but particularly in larger, larger markets. So that's basically the gist of it. So but I think, you know, having talked to a lot of gig workers, I think there's a lot of truth in that, because a lot of the workers that we used to when we just kind of shooting the breeze out of the airport, and that kind of stuff, a lot of the people were having, they had they had all the things going as well, and trying to start new businesses and that kind of stuff. So

yeah, I mean, it's always I always I talked to somebody the other day about, you know, it's hard to make a full time gig worker, it takes some some grinding in some very smart ways to do things, but I'm telling you like, right now, I'm, I'm not stressing about it, but I don't like not being busy. I don't like not hitting my goal, or I don't want to go out at night after I've been out for five, six hours, all day. I don't I don't want to do that. You know, and but as a side hustle, or if you're trying to grow a business and you need to make extra money somewhere else. The gig economy is great for that. So just a word to the wise as you're listening to the show, and maybe you're new and maybe you're excited about the gig economy, it's great and you're like, oh my gosh, I I make so much more money at doing gig work than I do on my other job just just remember there will become come some dark times where you don't get the money you need but punching a clock you get that same paycheck every week. So there's there's balances there.

And so how is it we are saying what is the best thing you can do as a gig worker to do that have many buckets of Yeah,

I mean collide. For every single gig in your area get approved. Yep. And you may never use it, but you may, you might need to what I found out last year, there's a tip for you if you are a Walmart spark driver, they will deactivate you after 14 weeks of not taking an order. And it was kind of a pain in the ass for me to get reactivated this fall. So I plan on at least once every two months, taking an order or two on the weekends just keep my account active. So

yeah, so again, as many as you can, right and until in our markets just to real fast, obviously Uber DoorDash. Is Postmates still around? I don't think right? Oh,

Uber bottom.

That's right. That's right. Yeah. DDI. Laundry I think is in the market, but not really that act. They're everywhere.

God, I wish they would take off every year. Every fall, I get a new app that I make my most money on, and I'm hoping next fall, it's launder so I can sit home and watch Netflix and make money

while you do while you're watching other people's clothes. Yes, but that's what that is. Right? Laundry is a laundry service, which is really cool. I think I might I might do it. God. I don't think so. I don't think so. Mark,

Mark and Pete one a, an app. I think that's called like, prostitution or something. There's probably an app for that. Sorry, there's probably an ollie fans guy account for that.

Oh my gosh. So but I think that's that's and then of course, Amazon. Walmart.

There's tons of apps. What do you try to list off? Oh, it's

just all the ones the local markets have missed?

I guess put it this way. I'm still in Instacart shopper and I haven't shopped in Instacart in two years. So if the shit hits the fan for me, or something happens I mean, I don't know why wouldn't be able to do Walmart over in Instacart. I mean

is roadies still around some Victoria was roadie

UPS bought them but I'm still I think they're still wrong. You know what fuck roadie I tried so many times to get them to reactivate my account and they it was like a password thing and they just dragged their feet and I don't fuck them. Like it wasn't worth the hassle. How much money i Wait i made from them. But

one cool thing. Jason does not like roadie

well I just if you can't even find my account, like what company am I dealing with? And maybe maybe the time they had already planned on selling to UPS and so they're like you know what, I don't give a shit anymore. But yeah, so speaking of roadie Walmart is starting to or not Walmart so Spark Spark is different from it's not just for Walmart they're starting to do Home Depot now too. So spark works for just not just Walmart it's it's other stores too so I'm hoping I haven't got to Walmart or Home Depot order but and we all know since we talked last show that Walmart's bringing in their 30 are trying to get into 30 million homes bringing their creeper people in to put your food away so we'll see how that goes. You know I talked to

a few shoppers Yeah, not gonna be let into my home. I'll tell you

either. I talked to a few actual Walmart employees that are there like me. They're they're called pickers. They shop just like I do. They just don't leave the store and the right

way is that is that pickers that would be

pick hers. Some of them probably are packers though. They they said that they I can't see how people are going to let a Walmart employee into their home way. Victoria says yes, it's true. The payout wasn't great. Yeah, yeah, check out spark. It's not in every Walmart or in every area, but it seems to work for me. But it's, I swear, this isn't a spark segment. But I swear spark throttles me when I get too many orders. When I get around to the $130 range between 120 and 140 it goes silent. Like I get nothing. So I they're doing something with their algorithm. I mean, I guess it could be that what I should do is when I when I get a dry spell, I should go to the Walmart I know a lot of the spark drivers I see him every day and if they start fucking walking in and then I'm like it's got to be it right I'm literally sitting at the Walmart I'm not getting orders and I'm watching their cars pull up and go inside. So

just my something something is up.

Alright, so I got a this I was going to talk about it but there's a video and I'm going to try to do my sharing. So give me a second. Share the screen. Okay, remember we had audio problem last time what What happened last time? Oh yeah, I had it off is off. Okay, I'm gonna unmute the site.

I work a full time job and my husband does as well. And we both work opposite shifts is an understatement. I also run my own design firm and then we have three kids to make life less hectic, she uses Instacart We've always enjoyed Instacart we've used it for Audi we've used it for Kroger. Laureen says she's never had an issue with the service and the roughly two years she's used it until Sunday when she noticed some strange activity, but she was shopping really quick. And the quantities that I had in the system, let's say I bought just one piece of food like one bag of cheese or something. She tacked on 15 bags of cheese Laureen shared these screenshots showing the shopper buying five or more times the number of each item she ordered. What was supposed to be a $125 grocery bill came out to $300 I was waiting on her to get here to ask what happened. She never showed up. Laureen reached out to Instacart customer service. They sent another shopper to fill the order at no extra charge. So the second shopper went through did the same thing with a bunch of quantities somehow and never brought the groceries. So it happened again. Yes. Instacart issued a refund that will hit Lorraine's bank account in five to 10 days. I was pretty upset. We have a very set budget on food. You know we had other bills that were coming out that week. Laureen posted her story on Facebook, where she learned the same thing happened to other people. The Better Business Bureau of Central Ohio has similar complaints as well. One claiming the Instacart shopper bought gift cards instead of groceries. BBB investigations manager Leah and Lanigan says the nonprofit gives Instacart an a plus for how it's responded to complaints.

It's not hard for Instacart to figure out who the bad actors are. And those people can be terminated. They could even face criminal charges. The integrity

of our platform is very important to us set an Instacart spokesperson. Our robust monitoring protocols such as automated alerts when shoppers manually add goods that exceed the pre approved amounts, identify abuses of our service, and any shopper found to have engaged in fraudulent behavior is immediately suspended from our platform. Okay,

well that didn't happen.

Well, so here's the thing, how, how they can never prevent that from happening, right? Because, you know, it's simple to get on these apps, but it's no more there's no more background check for Instacart than there is for Uber so you know what I mean? But you just have the opportunity for more fraud on Instacart and shipped and stuff like that. How can these apps prevent that I mean, boy if your backgrounds clean I mean what are you supposed to do you can't discriminate against this person because you don't you don't know if they're gonna steal it.

But kill kill the bad apple right away though, right? I mean, that's the thing once it happened once you're done once and done

yeah, no, I they do that that's fine, but it clearly keeps happening and then what what are these people do they just get an Instacart account to shop and then they do a one and done and that's it and then I get fired? I mean, do people really go through that much work to like go do onboarding and all that shit just to have a one time where they steal? I mean, maybe

unless unless they are technically I mean, it says a thing as them like using a an already started with accounts somebody just started an account and maybe they are buying them or whatever. I don't know. I do feel

like Instacart is the wild wild west when it comes for for shoppers. I think shipped is strict A F like I don't hear a lot of fraud stories was shipped now. Again, I am a ship shopper. They only hired me by the way. Talk about discrimination. I applied many times with this giant beard and they never hired me in one time. 2019 I shaved this fucker for UPS and they'll never happen again. And during

Yeah, you don't lose yourself.

Dude, it's crazy. And during that time I reapplied for ship and they fucking hired me with a clean shave face. So when I it's not been this gig season but last gig season when I got laid off. I did a little shift and my picture still had me clean as a baby face and I was walking up like with this fucking thing on and no one ever said anything but anyway ships a little shit like

birds and small bugs and stuff living in that area. There's no problem. If you watch

Family Guy there's a incredible episode with Peter growing a big beard and it has to do with birds and I'm sure that Mark has seen it and that's why I brought it up. Of course. So yeah, I don't know what's going on with these scams like it just seems like people are just pieces of shit and it's it's got to be a one because you know, you're getting fired?

Well, exactly. But then that's the thing, you know, are the people out there just creating accounts, and then selling those accounts for five $10 for somebody else to just do it and then they get shut down immediately. I don't know.

I think you're right. There is a lot of buying and selling again, probably on the black market. I don't even know how to fucking get there. So don't eat or though dark web. And I bet they're some of that shit going on. But yeah, Instacart is the Wild Wild West, but it's just

crazy. And some of the biggest cities people are buying and selling rideshare accounts. You know,

I don't even know how that works. Like, maybe I'm stupid. I don't know. I don't think like a criminal but whatever. Um, I'm glad there's a video there because me trying to

think like a criminal. I don't do that. There's a video there.

No, we don't have any more videos. Where do you watch say, we're not going up? Or going down?

I know. You said something about video anyways, do you want me to mention the ad spot? What do you want to do?

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awesome. I think a lot of people have probably heard about fibers that that is, you know, I was just mentioning all the apps that's going on fiber is a is an online service has been going on for a long time. And if you feel like you have excuse me about that, sorry about that. If you feel like you have a skill set that you are not currently using, like you can design stuff, if you can translate into weird languages or anything like that, you could potentially go on Fiverr and offer up your services there, we obviously we are not obviously, we've utilized fiber a couple of times in the past for logo design and that kind of stuff. So that's a great way if you if you want to, if you are starting a new company, so that you can utilize fiber. But if you haven't skill set, you can also be use it as one of your many buckets of income. Fiber, if I ve r.com. The cool thing is what the article is saying is that five is a platform is is cool for that perspective, in the sense that they're you, they're making money on both sides of the coin. So they are getting a small transaction fee for the buyer, but they are also making some money on the person, the gig worker, if you will. So they're taking some parts of the transaction both there, but as what I was gonna bring up, but the cool thing is that they're not taking very much of the gig workers part. So that's kind of that's cool. But that's something for you to try out. And as I said, they have a ton of different things, translation services, content, writing all that stuff, you can kind of do a ton of different categories.

Yeah, early on in our podcasting career, we did use Fiverr for our logos, like both our podcasts are actually all three of our stuff that we hired out. But I've gotten so comfortable with Canva. Like, and we have the Pro version. So that does help. I could definitely create something on Canva. But I tell you our experience on Fiverr was great. And the prices were very reasonable. So yeah, if especially if you're a design person, because I couldn't do Photoshop like or was it? Is it Photoshop?

Photoshop was one of the big ones. Yep. Yeah, the big ones. But the thing is, and one of those things that you may know how to use Photoshop, but that doesn't make you a designer. I mean, yes, true. You may not have a design bone in your body.

That that is true, because that's another reason to go to fiber, even though I can design the logo, I might not have the vision or whatever that lines things up correctly. If it were, you know, sometimes lines intersecting look stressful to people and maybe that designer would know that. So

I have worked with many designers in my life and I got to tell you Some people, they don't know how to put two line together make it look nice. Oh, I know Photoshop. That doesn't mean shit. I mean, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, you can do whatever, you gotta know how to do things. Exactly. You

got to have an idea of what you're looking for. So, alright, two more things. And then we're out of here. This is an interesting texture and DoorDash says, Hey, Nicole, this might sound like a weird request. But would you mind? I think he meant. He says don't Delve I think he meant to say delving into a little bit of my order. I'll write you five in the in, Nicole says, delving and he goes trying some of it like, What the fuck? Well, they will be looking

for a video right like to create a story for online or

something. But yeah, she did the right thing. I cancelled the order. I think honestly, I think I might cancel order. Even if I already had the food. I'd be like, yeah, the drive the, I don't know, I don't know what you would do. In that point. You probably have to call support.

I was gonna say you can probably reach out to support and say what the hell?

And yeah, and they probably would say, you know, we're just gonna cancel. This is a little weird. i That's the food. Yeah, I see a lot of pictures online. Like this. This is the first time I've seen one customer asking if the driver could try.

You know, it makes sense. Because there's been so many stories online, it makes sense that somebody would be out there asking for it.

Yeah, yeah. 100% I, I totally agree. So you've got

dicks given that they are

dicks. Okay. So the last one is just funny to me. It's Walmart related. So we're gonna watch and talk about it. It really cracked the Esper up. But let's see. Okay. Basically, I titled it too many pancakes Hey, why are there so many pancakes in

the freezer? So I did a Walmart delivery order. And they were out of the mini pancakes which come in a pack of 80. So they substituted regular sized pancakes 80 of them.

She was not happy about it. So yes, for an eye. So basically what happens is they wanted to get the same quantity at pancakes, but they bought at large pancakes. And so yes, when I were talking before the show, Walmart has the craziest substitutions. So for example, this happened either today or yesterday. I don't remember customer orders. Jimmy Dean sausage biscuit things. They come in four packs, and then a multi pack of eight, right? You're gonna find the multi pack of eight. Walmart suggests that I get three four packs. So that would be 12 biscuit sandwiches. Why? Why would I get 12 when the customer asked for eight. So those are the craziest shit. So you know what I did? I subbed for eight of them. And then when I asked for the third one I said nap There ain't any left and there was plenty left. I was like, I'm not giving this customer another pack of fucking Jimmy Dean sausage. So one thing that you don't, that I found out is that you don't pay the extra for that. So that customer probably made out. That was probably what?

Well, it was 80 So that would have been the there's eight in a pack. Right? So that's 10 packages.

So like yeah, I was gonna say like $20 worth of pancakes on top of yours. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so they'll sub for that. So you only pay what you asked for and

kid I'm pigs for dinner. Yeah,

I've never actually used the app as a customer. I'm wondering if you're if you can add your own substitutes I know you can't on all the for Instacart I mean, but I'm not sure how to get out of Walmart but I see the craziest sub so if you are a customer of Walmart and you get a crazy sub, it's usually okay and that is says that was the shopper I don't know if it was a Walmart shopper or a gig shopper. I would have never done that I would have said not available if I'm like

it that's what you wanted.

Yeah, she doesn't need if fucking at full size pancakes. But anyways, always always some shit with Walmart that's for sure. But all right guys, thank you so much. Thank you for Victoria for joining those a new new person on tonight. I really appreciate it. John went quiet. He's probably sleeping he's out working he goes to hell. He fell off like an hour 20 minutes ago anyways, but no just teasing you guys. Again. Check us out Friday seven to nine Eastern TNC Radio dot live. You can download the app you can listen right along you actually can call in. We need to get yes, we're on one of those nights. Yeah, one of these nights. One of these nights that would be great. Thank you. Janet. Thanks, Janet. Have a great night. All right, guys, stay safe and don't put up with anyone's bullshit. Good night. Bye

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guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. This studio is sponsored by Irvine auto repair in Grand Rapids hybrid and Ev. We'll talk about them a little bit later. Oh, shit. I don't have my rundown of typical Jason. Thank you for joining us tonight. I asked for how are you? Good. How are you? Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. All right. Before we jump into things I would love for you to share the show on your local Facebook group retweeted on Twitter smash that like button on YouTube and always subscribe, please, we would really, really appreciate it. Of course, you can follow us at gig economy hyphen podcast.com. You can also follow us on Tik Tok and we actually have a new Facebook group that I started today it's more of a community group it's not a page it's a Facebook group where you can go in and bitch about what everyone else bitches about and all the other fucking groups so

maybe not making enough money Yeah,

making enough money How are the roads stuff like that? So I

think you know speaking of the road that's why we remote tonight we kind of have an in between of bad roads. Yeah, I mean, a little bit slippery earlier than probably the weather is probably about done now. But we decided not to crowd into it.

Yeah, exactly. Yep. Mark says how are the roads? Yeah, exactly. So So yeah, check out that Facebook group that would be be great if you could join that and you know, just post whatever you want in there. Just be you know, don't be racist.

Then Jason's gonna kick you out? Yeah, I

haven't even made any rules yet. So here's your time to get in. No rules no rules. Before we go I just or before we get into all the boomers. Yeah. Tom's listening now. Oh, no, that's drinking drinking. I read I read his last name and but listening now. God, this is a rough start. Love for you to buy some merch that's in the link to RedBubble site. And that would be great. And then of course, our Patreon members Keith, Janet, Larry Sampson, Steve Chris James and Bud Dickman. Thank you guys for supporting us. We really appreciate it. having so much fun with you guys. We just posted a bonus episode on the 31st. We made it in January. And it was packed of full of gigging information, right? Yes.

Also known as him and I was just kind of shooting the breeze shooting

the breeze, but hey, you

got this fun. Good talk. Yeah, it got a little bit of standard stuff, too. So

yeah, so yeah, we're more than just gigmasters. We're humans. Check out our telegram group. We'd love for you to join us there. And then of course, rideshare rodeo, you go to rideshare rodeo.com. That's our Steve, our sister show. It's funny. We got an email today or yesterday that said, Hey, Steve and team love to connect with you blah, blah, blah. It's been a while. Here's my phone number. It was for somebody that we had interviewed a while back. I never told Steve this. So he's gonna hear this for the first time. And I was like, Hey, this is Jason and yes. For he's like, Oh, this isn't rideshare rodeo when I'm like, Nope, he goes, I thought it was the same thing. I'm like, Okay, we've been we've been sucking face a little too much. I said, No, no, no, we're, we're, we support each other. We're on a lot of stuff together. But no, we are not the same thing where we were two separate podcasts. So

that was kind of he still wants to talk to us again, though, so

yeah, I mean, he probably just said that just to be nice, but you know, he's probably trying to hustle on for sponsorship or something.

I know. Hey, Steve. Yeah, he's ours. You can't have we talked to

him first. mrfr. So yeah, I'll be on the radio show this Friday two from seven. So we lost my train of thought because I muted him. Oh, you're gonna swear me? The radio show Friday seven, nine Eastern go to TNC Radio dot live to join in. You could download the Android or iOS app. We would greatly appreciate it. And yes, for now you can interrupt me go. Fill I'm ready. No Fill content. You got five minutes to fill go.

Five, five minutes. What what do you put me on the spot?

Oh, no. Remember, you're doing the ads this week? No, you didn't say Yes, I did. Who was in this last show? Janet was Janet. i He said I told him he was doing the ads next week, didn't I?

I can't do the ads. That's like, No, you can't do that.

We only have one. So one sponsor? I just prepared. You never are. Steve. It's the guy from launder. Steve Nielsen, I think or Steven Nelson. How do you say that? I always see the word Steven. It's spelled s t even. You say Steven right?

Yeah. PHV

So then how do you say Steve? Is that Is it see Janet? Yes. You sure dead? Look at that. Boom. She was on the show last week or last time?

What do you said it doesn't mean that you know I am going to do it.

I'm just gonna mute my mic.

There you go. But no, Stephen is pH Yeah.

Well, what is what is Stephen then? It's there is no Steve and

no, there's no Steven.

Come on. What the in there stuff. Fine, but the fun

but that's with an F pH. It's just pronounced that way.

That always mess me up. You know what else used to mess me up is Shawn, where the ca n or n O C?

S E N? J J Yan Shan

though that must be in a different country then.

Well that's the desta Spanish way. Oh, is it? Yeah, no, that's not Spanish. Oh, sorry. French. Oh, French.

Gotcha. Shawn. What? What podcast? Did you just stumble on the language process? Deaf? Alright. Stories from the road. I didn't write anything down this last two weeks. But uh, it's been busy. Like, no, it's not been busy. It's been slow. I didn't mean I'm just gonna say I've been trying to stay busy. Yeah, I've been complaining to yes per house low. It's been it's been I

came in early today because I don't want to be on no fucking roads or not making any money blah, blah. do you how do you like my accent my my way of pronouncing Jason. That was me bitching that owes you? Yeah.

No, I have you. I haven't tried to go out early to get to get the jump on stuff. But and I'm telling you, it's been rough. And then today, we got snow all day. And as like DoorDash is like super busy. $5 P PE finally get on not not a frickin order. Not an order, because there were so many people on trying to get that peak pay. There wasn't enough orders to support the $5 peak pay. Right. So, man, it's a that's that's a struggle.

And define to grow? I don't think it's define I think it's Steven.

I think it is Steven to either do

even it's even what do we

talk about this on the show? Geography math or names apparently.

There you go. We could jump right into the next hour unless you want to do their Montana again. Did you do the math?

I haven't. You're up. Hold on. I can't do the let me get it up there. No. There you go.

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You too bad? You forgot to say Irvine's dot com to schedule all your services. That's right. But that was great. Like calm that was that's that's pretty. Pretty good. Yes. Bravo press. Yeah. Okay. So thank you. Hopefully

Megan isn't too mad at me. No, no,

she's only mad at you because you won't bring your car there work in the

car that the black cars pretty much paid. Oh, speaking of car, I made my last auto payment on the van today. Yay.

Yeah, no doubt as you're driving to Aldi tomorrow, you get fucking T boned. Like shit.

Well, I haven't I haven't given up the big insurance on it yet, but I will probably next month

I kept mine on. I don't know, I don't mind having laws, you

have to have it when you drive Uber.

I don't think you have to have full coverage. You Oh, really, I didn't know that. I thought you could kind of get away with the the, the writer and then some lower coverage for you're used to require full coverage, it may still be true. But that brings up a good segment, we're actually February 16. We're interviewing buckle which Steve has posted, or has interviewed. It's an insurance company for for gig workers. But it's an all inclusive insurance company, meaning you'd get your personal and but it's I'm not even trying to explain it. I haven't talked to him. But it's not just an extra rider you get like tons of extra insurance. So

when I think that's that's the thing that we're gonna be very interested to see in the years to come is the entire as as the gig economy is going to continue to integrate into everything. The insurance companies kind of have to change to follow along. It won't just as you said, it's not just going to be a writer. And it's not going to be full commercial insurance. As you know it today, either. It's going to be this weird hybrid.

And I think it's probably good for the insurance company that have another avenue to make money, right? Because no, we don't want the commercial policy, like you said, cuz that's gonna be like $400 a month. But we definitely need more something than just you know, what we got over on this side. So yeah, I'm looking forward to talking to them. And I just don't know if I'm comfortable switching my entire insurance company to somebody that is nothing against Buckle. It doesn't matter who it is, if it's not a State Farm, or GEICO or whatever. I think I'm with progressive. I don't know if I'm comfortable with that.

You know, it's interesting. You said that about 20 years ago, when I got to America. There's there's always been a website around called lower my bills.com. Do you have you heard about Yes. Okay. So 20 years ago, I was still on whatever was kind of looking around. And at that time, I switched our phone provider, Lou, you know, find out from our tough haul a stand up hotline, to you know, one of the famous was one of the big ones like TDC, or whatever the hell they were called to somebody, nobody could pronounce something. We had little whatever. And he was working fine. I was saving a fortune. Okay. So I was one of the earlier I'm assuming I was one of the early adopters in this thing here. And our phone bill went down like 5060 bucks a month. Okay, it was crazy. But it was one of those things is like, why doesn't everybody just follow? Follow along?

Well, I think, yeah, I think eventually people do. I can have an example with my cell phone. I was with Verizon, and XFINITY, which is my internet provider, they're like, Hey, we have cell phones now I'm like, Oh, hell no, I'm not jumping on. And then more and more people did it and they got good feedback. And so now I pay $130 for four phones a month, you know what I mean? So

I'm actually pretty close to probably switching to Google phi. I'm not gonna look at that. It's pretty decent price and particularly with their new they have a new plan well, basically if you keep on this plan, no matter what every two years they're just gonna send you a new phone.

Oh, really? That's kind of nice. But but you're always making a payment though. Right?

Exactly. You'll never own the phone but you know right now you do it anyways, right? Yeah. So anyways, you just post this No, I didn't click on it.

No, no, did you just write this

right what look on this own? No, I didn't mind

who has access to our account then?

I don't know. I didn't write I didn't either.

That's super weird. You didn't type that in and hit enter.

I did not.

What Duff FOC

that's super interesting.

So somebody have access to the Facebook account.

Holy shit. I wonder who's an admin in there? It's probably fucking Pete. Pete's probably still fuckin admin.

It was P

was it? It was me. Dang it Pete. Phone LogMeIn oh so he is still an admin. Okay. That's so funny. It really, uh, clearly we were on top of that pizza show for like,

champions tonight my gosh, I

was like, I literally was going to Facebook to figure fine pee. I'm just glad it was you. I'm like, Oh, no.

Sorry. You're ready to move on.

Yeah, let's move on after we talked about insurance, but

I know so do you want to show your photos cuz? Yeah, I'm a cool

I'm working on it. So I finally upgraded my logo on the back of the car. No, no, the logo so I had for the longest time the GR rideshare adventures logo on the back of my car. And finally, Justin made me a couple slides. I actually have one more we might do it for a giveaway at some point if you want it if you're my

car. You want it? I'll give it to you. I think it's I think it's cool to see how you didn't actually bother clean the whole window just to

look at how dirty my car was. That was a day that I couldn't get to the carwash and I had to clean the shit out of that to put that sticker on. But yeah, look at the top of that. It's incredible.

And then the next one this is cool.

This is my new license boy I know people say you're not supposed to show your license plate but whatever you can find out where I live I don't really give a shit but yeah, it's my new license plate. I would love the new winter wonderland plate and I thought why not get a personalized plate so

when the new the new personalized face another expensive right? No, it's

15 bucks. Yeah, who cares? Yeah, so I thought that was kind of cool. It's Oh, that's yeah, people recognize my car and that sticker though not the plate because the plates new because I I've Do you remember Liberty clerk?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. She called you out?

No, no, she's like, she messaged me on Facebook. She's like, I know you're at Walmart shopping. And she's like, I parked right next to your car like yeah, when I get a new car people are gonna not recognize me You know, I don't know what I didn't know which one was hers.

Just keep both sides who cares?

So p Okay. Back to what he said. What I said is look at out of those fake gas gas companies that people get scammed. Yeah, like the DTE scammers not DTE but they're like oh, we work for a bla bla bla you know what I mean? So

thank you, Steve. Patreon, LinkedIn, I like it. I like it.

So yeah, those are my two new new things going on with the show. I finally upgraded my sticker and I got a new plate. That is kind of cool. So next picture. Yes.

I like that one a short.

Yeah, I always give these to you.

I know I know. Cuz I of course you do you always everything like that. Like, and this is a daughter's order. From big tisby No for law for big tits be whatever she does. She's the person that making the order. I like how it says please use this ID instead of your customer name.

Oh, can you imagine I'm here for you walk into like a fan. Like a big fan. They can be big. Just be here. Anybody? Oh my god. It shows like, Why does? Why do these companies allow this shit.

I like I think I think that when I saw it, it said I immediately cancelled that or I would

too. Because literally, I never used the order number like no one has ever asked me for the order number they always asked for the name. I think I would have been that one time or I would have just held my phone up and not set it because I normally don't like to do that to that I asked that name. Unless I can't pronounce it. I'm like, I'm not gonna yell big tits. big tits be and like a family restaurant or something that I'm picking up?

Yeah, what are Danny's right?

Yeah, somewhere where there'd be some kids around when you're screaming into the back. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they should be able to put whatever they want on I think they should have

control that though. What's, you know what? You know?

I mean, you want to be inclusive, right? So just because you have a different name you want to be able to allow?

I would hate my parents. I'm telling you that.

They named you that. God dang it. All right.

Yeah, name me that right. Yeah.

John says imagine being the restaurant worker rest of mainly input that order and they know the point of sale. Yeah, they probably laughed too. Oh, all right, real quick. Next up, this is a we're gonna have to replay this a little bit because it happened so quick. But this is a FedEx driver that literally throws the package from awestruck. I don't think I can fast forward when I play this. So it comes at about 30 seconds I think. Let's watch it one more time. I should have done like a slow mo but I like it hitting the back of the you can you can tell when he's coming up, you can hear the brakes Damn. That was incredible. He has quite the arm. Well, not only he has quite the arm. It's kind of like, he kind of curved it a little bit because he knew it was gonna, like, oh my god, this is what that MacBook is gonna. I know.

So it's actually the district my wife just had a she got a new phone. We it broken. So they I like how Assyria and just kind of sends a new phone. But they comes to the FedEx that could have been a new phone now. Yeah, another one. The FedEx

is terrible. Like, we were kind of doing some stuff in our bathroom, and we ordered some mirrors, and frickin one of them was broken. It's like FedEx just throw shit all over the place. And I could probably get on one of those videos too. Because if I have clothes for Amazon, I chuck that thing. How do you know, you can feel you can feel it? You know what I mean? You can feel it like, you know, you just chuck it. So yeah, I do the same thing. But I would never do that.

I'm surprised not not when there's a ring cam,

right. I'm surprised FedEx and Home Depot, Home Depot, UPS have gone to the photo system of where the driver has to take a photo along with that. They just, they just use GPS pin because when they scan it, it puts a pin right where they're at. So it doesn't actually prove that they deliver it, although there are tons of cameras on everyone's doorstep. So but yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised that the bigger companies haven't gone to that.

It is yeah, that's gonna be another area we're gonna see a bunch of changes to come. I mean, I see a lot of companies now are introducing the the drop boxes. Instead of instead of, you know, just putting it on on on your front porch. Now you have to actually put it in a box.

kind of works with the smaller packages, but like anything bigger, you know, and my guess is those bigger ones that are get stolen. Not the super heavy ones, but one that might not quite fit in that locker,

the TDC TVs and stuff. Oh, gosh,

I've delivered TVs from wall I know. I bet you for the Super Bowl coming up. I will get some TVs and it's like no box. It's not covered up. You just throw that son of a bitch on the front porch. And I think a lot of it too is like they're so cheap now. So like yeah, I don't give a shit if they steal it. Like we

don't have to be moved into this house. My wife ordered a dress online. But it was a it was a solid wood dresser. I kid you not I swear I think the FedEx driver. He hated us that day. was a heavy it came in two boxes. Really.

So when we got our countertop delivered, it was it was 90 pounds, and I watched him on the camera. I'm like, he's gonna fuck this thing up, bro. But I watched him he actually lowered it down. And then he just dragged one corner. Yeah, up until the garage. He didn't even use it dolly and that's the thing too. Like a lot of those guys have dollies but it's quicker to just kind of like and handle it like that. Then try to put it on a dolly but I'm like if this motherfucker breaks this thing I need this thing today

man handle, man handle manhandle. That's true. Okay, do you want to talk about the first article? No, we actually have one picture before that other picture. I'm sorry about that.

That's okay. No, that's not it. There we go. Start to read. You might have to read it off the dock. Ah,

yeah, I got a starting January 24 2022. Only if you work for Apple to takes customer orders directly. This is I actually missed this one here in the in the line of what services does.

Okay, so I'll run down and I miss something on it as I reread it. So this is for New York City. Oh, I wish they have those general rules like A B five and all that shit. But what I did miss it says starting January 24. Only if you work for apps that take customer orders directly. So doesn't that. Does that mean DoorDash or does that

mean would that would be DoorDash that would be Oh,

okay. Yeah, it would be all the apps and I was thinking it was the restaurant it was talking about

no Yep, calm the order comes in in the apps interface.

Yeah, okay guys, you so basically starting at the end of this month, last month Apsos tell you how much the customer tips for each delivery as well as tell your total pay and tips for previous day. You may have better access to restaurant bathrooms. When you pick up orders you may have better like that you'll

not make Have, you may have better access on the line to me? Yeah.

So then I guess in April, you have more control how you over your deliveries, you can limit how far you will go from restaurants. Ah, that's awesome for us

to use bridges or tunnels. Yeah,

that's kind of what I'm driving hit tility helper kind of can do that anyways, you know what I mean? So, go ahead. Say I was just gonna quick read these apps must pay you at least once a week app must tell you route details before you accept a delivery. And apps will give you free insulated food delivery bags after six deliveries. What a random, what a random thing.

Well, I think it's good, right? Because then at least they are making sure that the food is staying warm on Yeah, no. Yeah. Now it's actually a pretty good intro into the next article, which I'm not going to read the article, but you can. Did you introduce it at all?

I actually have a video I'm sort.

I'm a dick.

Why don't you jump in here? Okay.

Let's do this first. And we'll deliver that deliver the video after after? Yeah, go for it. Because here's the thing. So the interesting part is that this is obviously talking about how that all the special rules for for delivery drivers and so forth. The Adam, that article I'm talking about is how, in Spain, they did it too, but it backfired. Totally. And so all these rules, so they're doing in Spain right now. And it's really the same set that they're doing in California and all that stuff. It's basically the whole idea about harm, whether or not no delivery drivers are we are we contract workers, are we employers, what are we? So in Spain, they introduced in the entire country introduced a very, very rigorous rule set that you're supposed to be employees. But the companies are fighting back like crazy, like Deliveroo, which is just, well, that's the company that the company there was just bought by Uber. Anyway, so one of those companies fired 3000 cars employ 3000 drivers, because they didn't want to do that. Right? Another one just pull out completely Spain. So these companies are just fighting it. But one of the things that the articles that I thought was very interesting was that one of the apps, it's not an app we have over here, but they they completely changed their, their what's called the algorithm, the algorithm. Thank you. So that it was more again, so the main to ensure that they weren't employees, but they were gig workers, right? They were the contractors, contact workers. And the interesting part was is it actually completely killed the drivers because what they did, they lowered the base rate. But then they gave the drivers a multiplier, right? So the multipliers, not the driver to delivery drivers, they could set their own multiplier, thinking that the idea was now because they could do that. Now they are setting the rules themselves. And now they have to be contract workers. The problem is, it backfired. So now what happened is, the drivers who sit there multiply to hide don't get no orders, of course, right? And so they have to sit there multiply low enough they can get on and now they're making half the money they were making before. Oh, man, it's like, What the fuck. And in Spain, you have to pay, you have to pay a fee to be a contract worker, which is about the same your pay over here as your contract taxes and that kind of stuff. Right? You pay that. So sometimes, the article is stating that, you know, some months they have to decide whether they can pay the fee, or they can feed them their family because this is the thing that is a crazy amount of money that they're making, like so little. This was like the one of these people saying that I'm trying to find the numbers so I can be specific, basically, and this is ridiculous. This was a Rodriguez he used to work as a homeless was it stripper? No, no, no, no. Bay, I forget what it was, but he can't he came to Spain. And he couldn't find it, you know, couldn't find a job. And so then he finally decided to start working for this company. And let's see, oh, she I'm sorry. Well, this year and now between 800 and 1000 euros a month. Okay. Now, and that comes out that comes out to about 600 to 800 pounds, which the pound is just a little bit more than $1. Can you imagine even living for $1,000 a month?

I mean, depending on Spain. I don't know what their costs The Living is not that

much different. No, once you as dawn paying for the pain, the vat, the Freelancer fees and the income tax, the salary is now about five to 700 euros, which is four to five, about four to 804 to 640 600 pounds, which is $700 a month. Like,

can you imagine they have the same cost of living? How do you even what's eight why?

Obviously, depending on what area exactly, you're because there's still a cost of living is still a little bit different here and there. But it's not that

crazy different and they own a car doing this the whole time.

So that's why it gets even more difficult. Some of the delivery companies requiring you to this is this one was on a bike, but you could do they want to buy. And they because you're a contract worker, you have to pay for your own back, they require you to pay for their back pay pay for their back and all that stuff. So it was just all these things that, you know, Spain put all these rules again, together, they're supposed to protect the worker, and it just backfires. And it completely works against it. Because the companies won't, they will do everything they can to. to to to fight against it, which is just proves is like government needs to stay out of some of these things. Yeah, obviously, you can't. It's just getting making it worse.

Yeah, the bottom line is you can't have your cake and eat it too. Like, you're gonna You thought you were gonna make all this money. And they're like, Okay, like, clearly the companies realize what they what these guys were going to do. And they made out like a bandit. So yeah.

And as John says, don't be surprised if you see the same here soon. It's right. I think sometimes. Some of the company some of the workers want is why they think they want to be an employee. But no, because all the stuff that we like about the gig economy, it's kind of be taken out of it. Yeah, and it's not gonna work.

Like we've always said, I do want a little bit of balance with government involvement, meaning like, some things just so it doesn't be so shady, or, or we talked about a right to appeal and that kind of stuff. But other than that, I don't want this and yeah, let's let's hope that it doesn't come. I don't think it will. I mean, that clearly the apps have a shit ton of money to fight this stuff. So I'm hoping that it doesn't come to Michigan, at least. Hopefully not even though it is a kind of a blue state.

I think what's what's going on? Is the state to seeing that the apps are here to stay. Right. And it does help it does help the economy. Yeah, but they can ruin them. And I think so that's that's gonna be their that's gonna be the balancing act. How much do we have to regulate? And how much can we regulate it before we ruin it? Yeah, why does she that one. But that was an interesting article. It was in just say, can you guys can read if you want to. It was in the hawk magazine. And it's an instrument. He's very long. That's why I didn't I did kind of took apart a couple of spots out here and there. But it is an interesting read. And so yeah,

John's like he's in California. No hope. Like, yeah, you need to get out of there. You're paying like $6,000 a month for rent or mortgage payment over there. So

I will I want to go. So I want to visit California. I'm not sure I'm ready to live there yet.

Yeah. John says I'll give them props for Prop 22. It's been amazing. Are you being sarcastic or

I think John, we should have you on the show and talk to you as as as one of the workers. Actually,

we did try to bait him on Monday. And he bailed? No, he said shit going on.

We'll make it work, John. We'll make it work.

No, he's serious. Yeah, your internet's kind of laggy a little bit. Yes. For mine. Yeah, it's a little laggy Oh, I'm sorry. It's okay. It's

talk so much

new all it's good. Yeah, exactly. Maybe it's like Oh, yes. Where your connection let me mute you. Alright, let's watch this video real quick. I know you've all seen it. You know with us doing a new show every well not really new show but every two weeks most of stuff you have seen but it's still it's still a good video and I've actually seen it all the way through be honest with you. So basically, a DoorDash driver gets arrested and this is what happens.

It's usually not a good thing when the police show up at your door bought for one South Dakota woman the unexpected visit was merely a cue that it was time for lunch. Take a look

No, I'm not here expecting but they can oh my gosh see they They protect the answer. The DoorDash delivery person got pulled over and arrested minutes earlier. So Sioux Falls police officer Sam Byrd decided to complete that Arby's delivery himself going above and beyond how people are tempted Well,

yeah, come in you know, go ahead. No, no,

I would say the best part is I really noticed he he actually drove the food to the house. He didn't arrest him right in front of the house because I was like, where's the purpose car like what's going on here?

Do you know the other thing that I know it sounds great. But the food was still sealed so the officer didn't help himself

Ah yeah, that's a good idea. Mark says probably a second job got to pay those bills Yeah, you know cop salary what it used to be a US me I thought that was great. It's always nice to see the the nicer side of the police and nicer videos of DoorDash is being delivered. I wonder what he got popped for? I swear the cop said it but it kind of the lady kind of talked over him. But anyways,

probably he got arrested those I mean, it wasn't just a speeding ticket or something, you know? Yeah. Either

didn't have a license and or had a warrant.

So that the customer tip the driver and the officer that's a good question, John. That's a good

that's a really good question.

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then you'll then yes Are we the only person on our show that hasn't had it done? hasn't gotten to fucker All right here's another video I got to give a shout out to Pete for this one he shared it he's actually still got access to our group because every once a while you see something on Reddit and I actually didn't see this one. I try to avoid incar ones lately I don't know why it's just it feels like you've seen it once you seen it all but this was actually good. This is about a guy that's not letting the guy in with his daughter without a car seat. Let me get to that real quick but the trip

Pete In the olden days yeah back

in that the oh gee have no car seats alright here we go.

Oh yeah, I'm gonna pay for my compensation for God what did you do for us bro? I didn't tell us we couldn't get no right if I would do for you put your child at risk and your child get injured or killed you want to get us a not rap? I know. I can't bro Who the fuck wants around with a booster seat that they know that Oh, come on bro. It's against the law you get out the car you do I'm not gonna So,

and he makes him get out of the car. Well,

the interesting part is he talked about a booster seat. So did the driver have a booster seat in there? And then the kid wasn't quite big enough for that. I was

no no. He says who walks around with a booster seat. He was requiring

Oh, gotcha. You get the boost? Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, no, I totally get that although When we traveled to Florida, I don't know many years ago when the kids were small. We went to Disney World, the one and only time, at least with them. But it was so damn expensive. We actually brought our booster seats on the plane and we tagged them. And so then when we got to Florida and drove around, we had the car seat. So they usually

don't make you pay extra for me though. They'll check them. So yeah, it's Yeah, problem.

It's not extra, no, surprisingly. But I actually think that driver handled that incredibly well, like a guy wanted to fight him. And it was just, he's like, bro, I'm not gonna fight you.

He was clear headed and everything. It was not a big deal. I used to drive. I used to have a booster seat in the back of my car, and I would use it once in a while. And would you? I did, because it was, you know, it's approved booster seat and it wasn't, you know, it wasn't expired or anything like that. Yeah. I would offer it up to my my passengers sometimes.

Yeah, we go, we go back and forth. You know, you know, when Pete was on the show, we talked about this endlessly about liability and stuff. And honestly, how do we I don't know if we ever reach out to insurance company and say, who would be liable at this moment? Like, is it the driver? I mean, obviously, it is the driver. If I think the liability we obviously know the liability if you don't have a car seat. Right, right. Yeah. But I was I think we talked a lot about the liability if we provided our own car seat. And there was an accident and the child did get her and not not a fault of the car seat. But right. Oh, shit still happens when you're in the seat belt or a car seat? You know? We never did ask an insurance company if we would be liable. I really don't think we would.

I think particularly in if the if the car seat at least wasn't expired. There was that? Yeah, expiration date on it, which I don't even know how many people are aware of the fact that car seats expire.

I think if you buy a car seat knew you're good until your kids out of that car seat, I think Oh, sure. Yeah. Long enough. Yes. But I wonder why they put expiration dates on them. Like,

I think it's, it's because of the you know, first of all, pastic does get brittle and so forth. So that does happen. But I also think it's, it's to allow for new things, new research, new technology, so people always have the newest for that when it comes to safety of car seats. So it could be like

Apple trying to get you to upgrade your phone.

Yeah, no, I think it's just as much to people to ensure that people don't just buy a used car seat and use that forever.

Man. People buy used car seats all the time. And I I sold my old car seats. No, they weren't expired. But still, you never know. There's the you're also supposed to throw it out if it gets in a car accident, too, because you just never know if it was compromised. But yeah, that guy did a good job. John Boehner brought up that's why I don't do rideshare shit. There's more reasons than that. Why I don't want to do rideshare but, but right now it's slow as fuck. And I'm doing rideshare and I don't I didn't do it today. I was like, I'm not driving passes around the snow. I've already stressed out for myself. I know. I don't want to have someone else in my car.

Didn't I hear that somebody ordered? It was kind of interesting about that. I think I think I heard somebody had a Walmart order with a car seat to the to be delivered to the airport.

No, that was me. Was that you? Yeah. Did I not talk about it on the show?

I don't know. Maybe? I don't maybe that was it. I must know. But then was that now somebody then needing a currency to be to take a car to take a ride?

No, I think what happened was, can you remember that? But did I talk about this? John? Yeah, man. Anyone that's a super fan that listens to all our shows that I talked about the car seat at the airport. Let me know if I did or not.

I don't know if he did or not. I don't remember. I it made me think of that. At least that story.

No, I think the the car seat one. I think they probably fucked up a car seat. And they were probably replacing it. And that's why I delivered it to the airport. I don't know what

the coolest thing that I've ever done. I rented a car in Denmark once and that had a built in car seat that

Yeah, we all built in booster seat right? Yeah, yeah. Not for like infants. But like toddlers.

It was a BMW which I didn't you know, anticipate but there was a little button and it kind of the seat came up.

It was really cool. Okay, I have to tell this story then. Because it's a good story. Yeah, no,

tell the story. How do you know about it? You did I do hold me I think you're doing you're talking to me on it. Okay, so anyways, I

get I get a it's called a batch order from Walmart and it's like 10 stops and they all have like one item I last ones at the airport. I'm like, this is frickin weird. So I don't know how to cancel just one. Oh, so I was like, all right. I'll call the contact and I call the contact and it says hi. I said It was Janelle or something. She's like, I go, Janelle. She's like, Yeah, you know, you know that phone, you're like, Hi, this is Jason from Walmart, and I'm delivering a car, see, and I just want to make sure where I need to go. So I don't waste any time and I can drop it off. Who's this? And then she's like, she's like, who's it for I go, it's for Frontier Airlines. And I said, and she's like, in Grand Rapids, and I was like, yeah, and she's like, I haven't been lived in Grand Rapids for two years. And I don't work for Frontier Airlines anymore. So when her and I just had this conversation, just laughing back and forth. She's like, Yeah, they must have never took my name off the Walmart account. I'm like, I was just calling to see where to put the damn thing. And she's just die and laugh. And she goes, No, I hate that place. I'm in Rhode Island now and funny story. So then I get there. And no one by frontier. It's a very small airlines. So I ended up talking to sweet lady from Southwest. And she tried to message people and she's like, you know, you can just leave it here. And I laughed, but I it's funny that I thought I told that story. But Janelle and I were laughing so hard, like it was just the funnest, what turned in what I was when it looked like it was going to be a difficult delivery, right? It turned out great. And I had such a fun time talking this lady how frontier wires is a bunch of dumb asses and haven't changed the contact on their Walmart. And I didn't have to bring it back to the store. So that was even better.

But but it was frontier who ordered the car seat?

Yeah, it literally said frontier wire or wireless Frontier Airlines on the account. That's

the account. That's cool. So maybe they were doing that for our customer.

Yeah, my guess is like I said that baggage fucked it up. You know, or they dropped it from the top of the plane and it bro maybe so that's cool. Yep. Well, thank you, John. For

Matt. Disrespectful.

Disrespectful. So we got about 48 minutes do we wanna? Well, I guess we can talk about Yeah, we can talk about the rest of them, you're up access to gig economy may spur small business creation.

This was actually yet another very cool article that I found. And I think, you know, I can, I can kind of recognize some of that in myself and kind of that kind of stuff, the auto. Again, it goes to, it says access to gig economy may spur small business creation, study fine. So this is an article at Rice University news and media relations, I'm assuming they're the university who did this study. And basically, it just goes out that saying that the gig economy is, is providing more, what's the word I'm looking for more and more opportunities, opportunity is in the sense of allowing people to start their own companies, because now they don't have, they don't have to go out and get a business owner, that kind of stuff. If the nurses if they don't have the necessary savings to start a company, now, the gig economy will kind of give them the opportunity to go out and make that extra money while they're building, building their business or, you know, testing the entrepreneurial spirit, if you will. So that's kind of cool. And that seemed to work, but particularly in larger, larger markets. So that's basically the gist of it. So but I think, you know, having talked to a lot of gig workers, I think there's a lot of truth in that, because a lot of the workers that we used to when we just kind of shooting the breeze out of the airport, and that kind of stuff, a lot of the people were having, they had they had all the things going as well, and trying to start new businesses and that kind of stuff. So

yeah, I mean, it's always I always I talked to somebody the other day about, you know, it's hard to make a full time gig worker, it takes some some grinding in some very smart ways to do things, but I'm telling you like, right now, I'm, I'm not stressing about it, but I don't like not being busy. I don't like not hitting my goal, or I don't want to go out at night after I've been out for five, six hours, all day. I don't I don't want to do that. You know, and but as a side hustle, or if you're trying to grow a business and you need to make extra money somewhere else. The gig economy is great for that. So just a word to the wise as you're listening to the show, and maybe you're new and maybe you're excited about the gig economy, it's great and you're like, oh my gosh, I I make so much more money at doing gig work than I do on my other job just just remember there will become come some dark times where you don't get the money you need but punching a clock you get that same paycheck every week. So there's there's balances there.

And so how is it we are saying what is the best thing you can do as a gig worker to do that have many buckets of Yeah,

I mean collide. For every single gig in your area get approved. Yep. And you may never use it, but you may, you might need to what I found out last year, there's a tip for you if you are a Walmart spark driver, they will deactivate you after 14 weeks of not taking an order. And it was kind of a pain in the ass for me to get reactivated this fall. So I plan on at least once every two months, taking an order or two on the weekends just keep my account active. So

yeah, so again, as many as you can, right and until in our markets just to real fast, obviously Uber DoorDash. Is Postmates still around? I don't think right? Oh,

Uber bottom.

That's right. That's right. Yeah. DDI. Laundry I think is in the market, but not really that act. They're everywhere.

God, I wish they would take off every year. Every fall, I get a new app that I make my most money on, and I'm hoping next fall, it's launder so I can sit home and watch Netflix and make money

while you do while you're watching other people's clothes. Yes, but that's what that is. Right? Laundry is a laundry service, which is really cool. I think I might I might do it. God. I don't think so. I don't think so. Mark,

Mark and Pete one a, an app. I think that's called like, prostitution or something. There's probably an app for that. Sorry, there's probably an ollie fans guy account for that.

Oh my gosh. So but I think that's that's and then of course, Amazon. Walmart.

There's tons of apps. What do you try to list off? Oh, it's

just all the ones the local markets have missed?

I guess put it this way. I'm still in Instacart shopper and I haven't shopped in Instacart in two years. So if the shit hits the fan for me, or something happens I mean, I don't know why wouldn't be able to do Walmart over in Instacart. I mean

is roadies still around some Victoria was roadie

UPS bought them but I'm still I think they're still wrong. You know what fuck roadie I tried so many times to get them to reactivate my account and they it was like a password thing and they just dragged their feet and I don't fuck them. Like it wasn't worth the hassle. How much money i Wait i made from them. But

one cool thing. Jason does not like roadie

well I just if you can't even find my account, like what company am I dealing with? And maybe maybe the time they had already planned on selling to UPS and so they're like you know what, I don't give a shit anymore. But yeah, so speaking of roadie Walmart is starting to or not Walmart so Spark Spark is different from it's not just for Walmart they're starting to do Home Depot now too. So spark works for just not just Walmart it's it's other stores too so I'm hoping I haven't got to Walmart or Home Depot order but and we all know since we talked last show that Walmart's bringing in their 30 are trying to get into 30 million homes bringing their creeper people in to put your food away so we'll see how that goes. You know I talked to

a few shoppers Yeah, not gonna be let into my home. I'll tell you

either. I talked to a few actual Walmart employees that are there like me. They're they're called pickers. They shop just like I do. They just don't leave the store and the right

way is that is that pickers that would be

pick hers. Some of them probably are packers though. They they said that they I can't see how people are going to let a Walmart employee into their home way. Victoria says yes, it's true. The payout wasn't great. Yeah, yeah, check out spark. It's not in every Walmart or in every area, but it seems to work for me. But it's, I swear, this isn't a spark segment. But I swear spark throttles me when I get too many orders. When I get around to the $130 range between 120 and 140 it goes silent. Like I get nothing. So I they're doing something with their algorithm. I mean, I guess it could be that what I should do is when I when I get a dry spell, I should go to the Walmart I know a lot of the spark drivers I see him every day and if they start fucking walking in and then I'm like it's got to be it right I'm literally sitting at the Walmart I'm not getting orders and I'm watching their cars pull up and go inside. So

just my something something is up.

Alright, so I got a this I was going to talk about it but there's a video and I'm going to try to do my sharing. So give me a second. Share the screen. Okay, remember we had audio problem last time what What happened last time? Oh yeah, I had it off is off. Okay, I'm gonna unmute the site.

I work a full time job and my husband does as well. And we both work opposite shifts is an understatement. I also run my own design firm and then we have three kids to make life less hectic, she uses Instacart We've always enjoyed Instacart we've used it for Audi we've used it for Kroger. Laureen says she's never had an issue with the service and the roughly two years she's used it until Sunday when she noticed some strange activity, but she was shopping really quick. And the quantities that I had in the system, let's say I bought just one piece of food like one bag of cheese or something. She tacked on 15 bags of cheese Laureen shared these screenshots showing the shopper buying five or more times the number of each item she ordered. What was supposed to be a $125 grocery bill came out to $300 I was waiting on her to get here to ask what happened. She never showed up. Laureen reached out to Instacart customer service. They sent another shopper to fill the order at no extra charge. So the second shopper went through did the same thing with a bunch of quantities somehow and never brought the groceries. So it happened again. Yes. Instacart issued a refund that will hit Lorraine's bank account in five to 10 days. I was pretty upset. We have a very set budget on food. You know we had other bills that were coming out that week. Laureen posted her story on Facebook, where she learned the same thing happened to other people. The Better Business Bureau of Central Ohio has similar complaints as well. One claiming the Instacart shopper bought gift cards instead of groceries. BBB investigations manager Leah and Lanigan says the nonprofit gives Instacart an a plus for how it's responded to complaints.

It's not hard for Instacart to figure out who the bad actors are. And those people can be terminated. They could even face criminal charges. The integrity

of our platform is very important to us set an Instacart spokesperson. Our robust monitoring protocols such as automated alerts when shoppers manually add goods that exceed the pre approved amounts, identify abuses of our service, and any shopper found to have engaged in fraudulent behavior is immediately suspended from our platform. Okay,

well that didn't happen.

Well, so here's the thing, how, how they can never prevent that from happening, right? Because, you know, it's simple to get on these apps, but it's no more there's no more background check for Instacart than there is for Uber so you know what I mean? But you just have the opportunity for more fraud on Instacart and shipped and stuff like that. How can these apps prevent that I mean, boy if your backgrounds clean I mean what are you supposed to do you can't discriminate against this person because you don't you don't know if they're gonna steal it.

But kill kill the bad apple right away though, right? I mean, that's the thing once it happened once you're done once and done

yeah, no, I they do that that's fine, but it clearly keeps happening and then what what are these people do they just get an Instacart account to shop and then they do a one and done and that's it and then I get fired? I mean, do people really go through that much work to like go do onboarding and all that shit just to have a one time where they steal? I mean, maybe

unless unless they are technically I mean, it says a thing as them like using a an already started with accounts somebody just started an account and maybe they are buying them or whatever. I don't know. I do feel

like Instacart is the wild wild west when it comes for for shoppers. I think shipped is strict A F like I don't hear a lot of fraud stories was shipped now. Again, I am a ship shopper. They only hired me by the way. Talk about discrimination. I applied many times with this giant beard and they never hired me in one time. 2019 I shaved this fucker for UPS and they'll never happen again. And during

Yeah, you don't lose yourself.

Dude, it's crazy. And during that time I reapplied for ship and they fucking hired me with a clean shave face. So when I it's not been this gig season but last gig season when I got laid off. I did a little shift and my picture still had me clean as a baby face and I was walking up like with this fucking thing on and no one ever said anything but anyway ships a little shit like

birds and small bugs and stuff living in that area. There's no problem. If you watch

Family Guy there's a incredible episode with Peter growing a big beard and it has to do with birds and I'm sure that Mark has seen it and that's why I brought it up. Of course. So yeah, I don't know what's going on with these scams like it just seems like people are just pieces of shit and it's it's got to be a one because you know, you're getting fired?

Well, exactly. But then that's the thing, you know, are the people out there just creating accounts, and then selling those accounts for five $10 for somebody else to just do it and then they get shut down immediately. I don't know.

I think you're right. There is a lot of buying and selling again, probably on the black market. I don't even know how to fucking get there. So don't eat or though dark web. And I bet they're some of that shit going on. But yeah, Instacart is the Wild Wild West, but it's just

crazy. And some of the biggest cities people are buying and selling rideshare accounts. You know,

I don't even know how that works. Like, maybe I'm stupid. I don't know. I don't think like a criminal but whatever. Um, I'm glad there's a video there because me trying to

think like a criminal. I don't do that. There's a video there.

No, we don't have any more videos. Where do you watch say, we're not going up? Or going down?

I know. You said something about video anyways, do you want me to mention the ad spot? What do you want to do?

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awesome. I think a lot of people have probably heard about fibers that that is, you know, I was just mentioning all the apps that's going on fiber is a is an online service has been going on for a long time. And if you feel like you have excuse me about that, sorry about that. If you feel like you have a skill set that you are not currently using, like you can design stuff, if you can translate into weird languages or anything like that, you could potentially go on Fiverr and offer up your services there, we obviously we are not obviously, we've utilized fiber a couple of times in the past for logo design and that kind of stuff. So that's a great way if you if you want to, if you are starting a new company, so that you can utilize fiber. But if you haven't skill set, you can also be use it as one of your many buckets of income. Fiber, if I ve r.com. The cool thing is what the article is saying is that five is a platform is is cool for that perspective, in the sense that they're you, they're making money on both sides of the coin. So they are getting a small transaction fee for the buyer, but they are also making some money on the person, the gig worker, if you will. So they're taking some parts of the transaction both there, but as what I was gonna bring up, but the cool thing is that they're not taking very much of the gig workers part. So that's kind of that's cool. But that's something for you to try out. And as I said, they have a ton of different things, translation services, content, writing all that stuff, you can kind of do a ton of different categories.

Yeah, early on in our podcasting career, we did use Fiverr for our logos, like both our podcasts are actually all three of our stuff that we hired out. But I've gotten so comfortable with Canva. Like, and we have the Pro version. So that does help. I could definitely create something on Canva. But I tell you our experience on Fiverr was great. And the prices were very reasonable. So yeah, if especially if you're a design person, because I couldn't do Photoshop like or was it? Is it Photoshop?

Photoshop was one of the big ones. Yep. Yeah, the big ones. But the thing is, and one of those things that you may know how to use Photoshop, but that doesn't make you a designer. I mean, yes, true. You may not have a design bone in your body.

That that is true, because that's another reason to go to fiber, even though I can design the logo, I might not have the vision or whatever that lines things up correctly. If it were, you know, sometimes lines intersecting look stressful to people and maybe that designer would know that. So

I have worked with many designers in my life and I got to tell you Some people, they don't know how to put two line together make it look nice. Oh, I know Photoshop. That doesn't mean shit. I mean, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, you can do whatever, you gotta know how to do things. Exactly. You

got to have an idea of what you're looking for. So, alright, two more things. And then we're out of here. This is an interesting texture and DoorDash says, Hey, Nicole, this might sound like a weird request. But would you mind? I think he meant. He says don't Delve I think he meant to say delving into a little bit of my order. I'll write you five in the in, Nicole says, delving and he goes trying some of it like, What the fuck? Well, they will be looking

for a video right like to create a story for online or

something. But yeah, she did the right thing. I cancelled the order. I think honestly, I think I might cancel order. Even if I already had the food. I'd be like, yeah, the drive the, I don't know, I don't know what you would do. In that point. You probably have to call support.

I was gonna say you can probably reach out to support and say what the hell?

And yeah, and they probably would say, you know, we're just gonna cancel. This is a little weird. i That's the food. Yeah, I see a lot of pictures online. Like this. This is the first time I've seen one customer asking if the driver could try.

You know, it makes sense. Because there's been so many stories online, it makes sense that somebody would be out there asking for it.

Yeah, yeah. 100% I, I totally agree. So you've got

dicks given that they are

dicks. Okay. So the last one is just funny to me. It's Walmart related. So we're gonna watch and talk about it. It really cracked the Esper up. But let's see. Okay. Basically, I titled it too many pancakes Hey, why are there so many pancakes in

the freezer? So I did a Walmart delivery order. And they were out of the mini pancakes which come in a pack of 80. So they substituted regular sized pancakes 80 of them.

She was not happy about it. So yes, for an eye. So basically what happens is they wanted to get the same quantity at pancakes, but they bought at large pancakes. And so yes, when I were talking before the show, Walmart has the craziest substitutions. So for example, this happened either today or yesterday. I don't remember customer orders. Jimmy Dean sausage biscuit things. They come in four packs, and then a multi pack of eight, right? You're gonna find the multi pack of eight. Walmart suggests that I get three four packs. So that would be 12 biscuit sandwiches. Why? Why would I get 12 when the customer asked for eight. So those are the craziest shit. So you know what I did? I subbed for eight of them. And then when I asked for the third one I said nap There ain't any left and there was plenty left. I was like, I'm not giving this customer another pack of fucking Jimmy Dean sausage. So one thing that you don't, that I found out is that you don't pay the extra for that. So that customer probably made out. That was probably what?

Well, it was 80 So that would have been the there's eight in a pack. Right? So that's 10 packages.

So like yeah, I was gonna say like $20 worth of pancakes on top of yours. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so they'll sub for that. So you only pay what you asked for and

kid I'm pigs for dinner. Yeah,

I've never actually used the app as a customer. I'm wondering if you're if you can add your own substitutes I know you can't on all the for Instacart I mean, but I'm not sure how to get out of Walmart but I see the craziest sub so if you are a customer of Walmart and you get a crazy sub, it's usually okay and that is says that was the shopper I don't know if it was a Walmart shopper or a gig shopper. I would have never done that I would have said not available if I'm like

it that's what you wanted.

Yeah, she doesn't need if fucking at full size pancakes. But anyways, always always some shit with Walmart that's for sure. But all right guys, thank you so much. Thank you for Victoria for joining those a new new person on tonight. I really appreciate it. John went quiet. He's probably sleeping he's out working he goes to hell. He fell off like an hour 20 minutes ago anyways, but no just teasing you guys. Again. Check us out Friday seven to nine Eastern TNC Radio dot live. You can download the app you can listen right along you actually can call in. We need to get yes, we're on one of those nights. Yeah, one of these nights. One of these nights that would be great. Thank you. Janet. Thanks, Janet. Have a great night. All right, guys, stay safe and don't put up with anyone's bullshit. Good night. Bye

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