Hey, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Episode 119 Thank you so much for joining us. Love you guys love you all go to gig economy show.com For everything gig economy related we really, really would appreciate. Also just a reminder the show the the picnic is this week Saturday if you're watching this live then you'll know now but if you listen to this after the fact it'll be all done and you've missed out so we'd love for you to join us. Sam says tell us where to stop looking so grumpy. I'm not grumpy and clearly was watching you. I want to thank our Patreon members Keith from Indiana Larry from Bowling Green Sampson from Grand Rapids de from Colorado, Chris from Grand Rapids. James from Fort Collins bud from North Carolina. Tom Kelly from Houston Omar from Detroit.
And Hi Julia. Good.
It's only eight o'clock. I
know. I know. He used to be nine.
Yes, first panicking right now I'm not going to drop a very naughty word. If you go to our telegram group, you can hear naughty words not Julia. And jump in there. Talk about gig work and all that fun stuff. rideshare rodeo Steve was on a little bit earlier. Hopefully it will chime in, check his show out. It's incredible. Go to Uber Lyft drivers.com or rideshare rodeo.com. And then the radio show this week Friday from seven to nine. We were pumped it out that we are going to be back and we were last week but then we realize we have out of town guests coming in for too much stuff going on? Yeah, for the gig picnic and we are connecting with them on Friday night before the picnic and so
it takes gonna be cool. We have is it? Three possibly four from out of town coming
in? I'm not sure. I don't know. I know. Well, I know. Yeah. See one. I know for sure. Three, but I know there may be a fourth but
so yeah, I think that's gonna be some good stuff. And all the people that we have kind of met with now virtually for a long time. It's gonna be so awesome to meet you again and see you again. Obviously some of the virtual ones are we've seen many times in person and it's
awesome. Yeah. And and if you are wondering, yes, sir. Is going to smoke some meat.
Yeah, he is. Us.
I am us. I can talk about myself in third person. That's
That's what uh, that's what a star does. So. Yeah, so check it out. Yes, sir. Do you have any stories from the road? I
have not because I have not been out and you haven't been out in two weeks? No, not since my eighth house. Well, I was out once but so slow, so I went home. Oh, really? Oh, no. It's was not nearly the same. So ya know, it's it's, it was fun to drive that one time I drove like, like, tons of money. But, you know,
he's Yes. Was a Little disenchanted for making all that money that one weekend and
trying to figure out what I'm gonna do, because my goal was to sit out and dry one day weekend, make on a box. That was my budget, whatever. It's like, now you're like I don't drive 20 hours, right. But it's like, Ah, I don't know if I'm just gonna go off on boxes. Yeah,
it means like, it's almost not worth it. Right. I know. It's $100 More than you had. Tom says he's still on the fence for Saturday. Well, if smoked meats doesn't get you there. I don't know what well. Yeah. All right. Jumping into the news. Ah, okay. So this one's incredible. This guy, let me get to my links over here. See,
this one's good. This was a good idea. Okay, I may want to do
that. So there's, well let's let's watch a tic tac first and then we'll kind of read the article. So yeah, this is about a guy that is circumventing the DoorDash just some kind of, I just opened up a pizza restaurant on DoorDash. But what they don't know is that we'll be selling frozen Walmart pizzas out of my kitchen. First, I ordered a bunch of pizza boxes with our logo on it because we had to look professional when I went to Walmart to buy other frozen pizzas, but there's random lady chat yelling at me to stop but she couldn't do anything. So I went home and set up a few things in a tablet DoorDash semi in our restaurant was law to get our first couple of customers I went to our competitor to steal some of their we started getting orders fast but the DoorDash drivers were mad at how long it was taking somehow at the end of it all everyone left five star reviews and a pizza so I guess it worked. Comment what I should try next and follow for more. Okay, so come to find out this is not real. Of course it's fake, but it is kind of funny. I mean, clearly he got a DoorDash tablet.
Well, again, it's fake. It is fake. So they made it just for the for the content, right?
It says so I'm just going to read it. DoorDash spokesperson told the Daily Dot and as David that booth pizza has never been active on DoorDash and appears to be a social media prank. When I went to this guy's Tik Tok by the way every one of his videos has couple of million views on it. So this guy is good. He goes however, DoorDash says, however, virtual restaurants are permitted on our platform and must operate in accordance with local health and safety regulations. Also, while also adhering to DoorDash is standard operating procedures, which includes several food and safety and food handling requirements. So we remove restaurants operating out of a residential address unless they can demonstrate compliance. So anyways, I just thought it was funny. I seriously though, I wonder how many people actually fall for that. That kind Oh,
they they make some fake content every day. But that was
definitely fake. And I bet you're still I mean, you got 5 million views. I don't think he had 5 million but he has a lot.
But people spreads they spread it because oh, here look at this. Yeah. And people don't actually think about a lot. A lot of the things that you see,
right, and if you would have gone to his account, he does a lot of prank ones anyway, so he would figured it out. But I don't know. I was kind of when I saw that. That tablet. And that sticker. I'm like, that seems legit.
Well, but the thing, it doesn't do a close up on a tablet. It could have been anything on that tablet. It could be the screenshot true. I mean, Tyler
says is extremely easy to get on the DoorDash platform. They don't check anything. i That's what I'm saying. I think that wasn't a legit dark tablet. And sticker.
You don't believe it? No, I'm I don't know. Maybe it was maybe wasn't. You know, that's the thing. It's, he didn't it doesn't it didn't need to be real for the example. But of course, it's a good again. It's a good story, I guess. But it's funny. Yeah.
It's funny. It's funny that we can talk about this and not someone that got shot driving Uber. Yeah, like a sad story. So this is kind of funny. And honestly, this is great for DoorDash. I mean, it just brings you know what I mean? It's a positive thing for DoorDash. So I think that's, that's pretty, pretty hilarious. So Alright, moving on.
So this next one, I think is pretty cool. Because it's, you know, the male going off road. Well, yeah, it's
not really gig related. I just thought, oh, this lady is funny because this kind of reminds me of, there's a guy that's in the Grand Rapids market. That's a flexure. And he says, I never bring a package back. Everything gets delivered no matter what. So this video kind of reminded me of that. So here we go, yeah.
So for the audio people, she was driving her mail truck right on the grass on people's lawn because they were pouring cement and she needed to get around.
Correct. But I don't I mean, I don't think that that she got very popular. When when when her boss saw that show, because then obviously not supposed to. And she could have ruined the lawn. Oh, yeah. I mean, absolutely. It's like, tilt my camera down.
I don't know why. Now he's breaking shit. I am. Yeah, no, I mean, he definitely doesn't want or that definitely could ruin the launch. He just I just liked her tenacity of like, I don't even know if it was a woman. I don't even look like a woman. I wasn't even paying attention. But I mean that whoever was delivering it, they're like, we're gonna get the shit delivered. I don't care what I got to do.
No, it's true. True. But can you imagine what would happen if this was like the recording of of a flex driver or somebody else? Yeah. In private person in the vehicle? No,
I guarantee she probably got reprimanded because it went viral. So So you know, she got reprimanded, but I appreciate her tenacity. I'm glad that she was able to get her her mail delivered
on the positive on a different side though. The cement point truck isn't supposed to be blocking the road like that.
I mean, it's weird. So I obviously drive for work. And I go through construction zones all the time, and it says no, through traffic, but you got to be able to get through some odd because what if there's an emergency? Well, exactly. That's it. I mean, they very rarely shut it off completely. So it wasn't
shut off this way. He did. The cement truck was just in the run there. Yeah,
he probably was gonna pour five minutes and then he's gonna be gone. Yeah. Which I've had that happen to me before and I just turned around I don't drive through people salon. No, imagine the lawn guy driving through people's lawns like fuck it. I gotta get done. Like I don't care.
What the lawn guy he could mean he does it on this lawn tractor right. Yeah, but
that doesn't weigh a ton like 2000 pounds. So
I thought it was a funny joke. You didn't get it? No, I
didn't get it. What's the joke? Stop playing with your mind
using his lawn tractor. He doesn't drive through with his truck. He just drives his lawn. tractor through the lawn now. You've been wanting to use that on either day. Yeah.
I realized I didn't put an article for my name on the next one so we can just jump into yours again. Thank you so much. Uber Eats and neuro signed a 10 year deal to do robot delivery in California. Yeah,
Texas. So we actually talked a little bit about this at our radio show too. And it's, you know, you can go back and listen to a duel but basically the whole idea is that company called neuro and Uber Eats made a 10 year commitment to attend me a 10 year deal to do road road food developed. I can't talk robot delivery in two cities one in California and one in Texas and not even the entire city is part of the city. So why are they do so in his Mountain View California and Houston, Texas. And, you know, our our co host at the radio show we're convinced that it's going to completely not work at all in Houston, Texas, because there's no way people are going to want you know, any of their food delivered with a with a robot. So So for our audience who can't see it, there's no there's no image up. So Jason, I thought you're gonna bring an image with the neuro so No, it looks like SUV. So yeah, it's kind of like a like a like a low SUV. Obviously, the whole idea is that you've seen some other vehicles where you go up to it and there is different compartments, all of that on the outside of the vehicle. I guess this one is all on the inside, you go up to it. I'm assuming you scan your phone or something and then the bag opens and you get your food. There is room according to this. There's room for 20 for groceries backs in the compartments, it can carry a total of 500 pounds. But again, the whole thing obviously, is this completely driverless. There's not even a room for a driver. Yeah, no, it is not. So the vehicle can drive 45 miles an hour. A great for residential travel, but obviously not allowed at all to go on the highways. But as I said, the big difference here is for some of the other companies that are doing robot delivery today, they do have a safety driver. This one does not at all. Oh, that makes me nervous. There's no drive at all. So again, neuro is valued right now at $8.6 billion. Right? Oh, my God by Dave Ferguson and I kind of killed his name's Juan Juan su something like that. Why do you call him a twat? What I didn't Did I don't I don't know his name. Anyway. So there are two veterans of the Google self driving car project that grew into become Waymo. Which I think way more has gone. Now. I know some happened to that. So anyway, so they then all of that they grew neuro, and is now doing this, which I think it's I think it's exciting.
It's the future. Here's the car, I brought it up. Look at how quick that was.
They go good. Yeah, there's a new and it's definitely the future. And, yeah, we were talking a little bit about, you know, at the radio show, what it's doing is is right now obviously, this one here is it's going to take away delivery drivers. Right, right. And it kind of kills some of those jobs. But it's not. I mean, gig is change gig is an example of the whole, the whole employment industry is changing, you know, everything, what it means to be an you know, an employee, more I shouldn't even say imply a gig worker contract, contract, what it means to make, I should say make money, right? The idea of making money is changing so rapidly, that today, your your delivery drivers, but then, you know, 510 years from now neuro is going to be doing a lot of the food delivery, whatever. But there's gonna be other gig work, there's gonna be other things that we're going to be doing. And all you have to do is just as we always talk about, have all the many different pockets. I know later today, we're going to talk about some other gig works. And the people are doing very, very well in some of these things that obvious you can't be doing this with robot we come on, you know, we'll talk about that later on.
So Well, it's interesting. What you're talking about is everything's going to evolve. Absolutely. And it's funny, you're like, Oh, you need different buckets. But like, you don't want to do anything about rideshare. Oh, no, no, true. No, I totally fine. I don't want to do rideshare. I just want to do food delivery. So I
understand though, what I do in my day job I could easily do in gig.
Oh, yeah. Oh, you mean your primary software
developer? Yeah. I could do that. According to the gig fashion if I wanted to effect. That's just not my setup right now. Right. But 510 20 years from now, could it be the only thing is it only available as gig? Probably. No, I
bet it I bet Every day, that kind of work that you're doing is going to get quite a bit absolutely in which you probably look at that and go, ooh, the rates that they're getting is way lower than I get paid. I don't know if I want to do that.
But what's happening though, is, so my degree is from 85, no, 95. I have it, I have a computer science degree for 95. Anyways, that job has changed from just being programming into more and more strategy. Okay, so my job is way more, you know, doing the programming less program during the program to more of problem solving people come to me and say I have a, I have a task I need John. Yeah. Could you help me make this automatic? Could you help me do this, to remove the human to human element element for for for error, or wherever that is, right. And so my experience will help determine how to do it and then I can I can write it all up how I want it done. And I can hand the specs to a developer and say, now do that. Right. Right. And that could be somebody I'm that I'm directly employed by me. I could be somebody I can give out to a gig and get a quote for what it's gonna take. Get it done.
Yeah. Going back to the food delivery. Do you really think something like that? So let's say in 10 years, it's pretty common in California. Right? Right. But in Michigan with the weather we have here. Can you imagine I just don't see it like it. People have trouble driving in the snow with that. You know what I mean? I guess I don't ever see it going completely driverless in automated. Automatic in the winter in Michigan, or
I think big cities.
Cities. Oh, yeah. Even with snow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
I think definitely not wrong rule is gonna be difficult. Yeah.
When the roads are 55 miles an hour, you know, it's eight miles down to 55. I mean, although that thing looks like SUV, I mean, I guess it could do, right, probably cost you a fortune. But
it's, they're probably gonna be very, very slow on cold nights, right? Oh, yeah. But imagine all the other things that they're solving, right? That thing it can be hot or cold inside. So you maybe you can have hot compartment, you can have a cold compartment. So your food isn't going to be super cold when you get it. That's
a big technology that is like, right. Like it has cold areas and warm areas and stuff. There you go. It's like, Yo, you know, who's gonna make the most money in this business? Somebody that can figure out how to deliver fries and still keep them crispy? Absolutely. It's tough even when I go to buy McDonald's or wherever and drive it home. Right? I mean, if I'm not eating them on the way home, they're not as fresh as they were four minutes ago out of the
restaurant. And so that's why you're eating them. Yeah,
I mean, I gotta assess them for all the bags for all my kids. So So
is that why you stopped doing then? Uber Eats them because then yeah.
Unfortunately, McDonald's seals those bags. I need to find the stickers that they use. I can reseal them. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
I thought you're gonna push the button. You're not pushing them. Oh, I
missed it. I missed my opportunity. So not really kind of it kind of gig related in Russia. There's some hackers cause a massive traffic jam in Moscow using a ride hailing app. Hacker bah bah bah ride hailing app app called Yandex taxi to summon dozens of taxis to the same location at the same time. The attack occurred on September 1, and that traffic heading toward I'm not pronouncing that already a busy Boulevard stuck at a standstill. So yeah, it looks like someone hacked it. Of course, anonymous claimed responsibility for the jam on Twitter. It says it worked with an IT of army of Ukraine and loosely organized group of activists. I like that hacktivist Oh, yeah. So you're like you're doing it for good like you're an activist, but you're a hacker that Ukraine Vice Prime Minister helped form when Russia first invaded Ukraine. So I kind of like it. It's interesting that it happened if I don't have the video, but if you find this link if you play it well, actually, the screenshot there's an Uber taxi right in the screenshot, I thought that was interesting. It's got like a yellow stripe, but then it says Uber on it, but you know, you can't mess with hackers. Everyone wants to tease the nerds. But I'm telling you when shit hits the fan, you're gonna want those guys behind a computer. They definitely anonymous declared a cyber war. Oh, yeah. Do you remember early that it had claimed hijacked Russian TV channels with footage of war? Because, you know, they're they're doing the propaganda telling, sure telling them that, you know, it's not as bad and they're saving Ukraine and then they hacked them and put up terrible things on the on the OLED TV. But what is even going on with that war, honestly,
it's kind of this got out of the news. I mean, I don't watch the news cycle, but
it's definitely still going on. worse. And the problem is it's no longer news. Right? Yeah. So now it disappeared. And actually, it's it's probably very good from Putin for Putin. Because, yes, it kinda, it's not so much in everybody's eye anymore. Yeah. Right. Which is a shame and yeah, bad.
I mean, it's how the new cycle works. But
there's definitely still very much going on. A good friend of mine was just in Ukraine and doing some recording and talking to victims, and it's just really Yeah. dangerous job. Yeah. But he, so he's a he's a videographer. And yeah, he did that. He did that for a local, religious organization. But, but so it's just yeah. I mean, he was in some, from what I could tell he was in some areas where it was, you know, not so much active war going on right now, but definitely had seen a lot of damage. And it's just, you know, it. What I don't understand is just, of course, we don't understand the reasoning. Right. And I don't want to get too political. But what's, what's the purpose of doing it? That's our Well, it's power, but it's also unfortunately, probably, he wants to resources that is, that is, comes with, particularly chip manufacturing. Yeah. It's I don't know,
I don't understand what he thinks he's, I mean, he can do what he's doing right now. Like, everyone in the world just kind of sitting back waiting, but there is going to be a level where a line that he crosses are like, Okay, fuck you.
We're going to Disney Crofton already.
The problem is you got to be careful with those kinds of people. You just gotta you gotta it's a fine line that you balance on.
The thing I question though, is does he actually have the support of the Russian people? Or is it just because I mean, he sat there for what? 20 years?
Yeah, I think he does. Because he's a dictator. He's not a he's not a caring leader. He's a dictator. All right, I need to get get off this before we get kicked off the platform. Go to upside upside. If you haven't heard it upside, I don't know where you've been under a rock, get it. But so upside is a gas app that you go to the gas station. Before you go, you download their app. And then you turn your location on and it tells you it gives you cents off per gallon it changes every day, every hour, you never know sometimes you can get three cents, sometimes you can get 20 cents, but downloading this app gets you 25 cents off a gallon. And if you add the promo code gig economy 25 It gets you an additional 25 cents off of your first fill up. Your so this is not for new people. You know how it is or for old people that already have the app, you know, and I always used to annoy me with cable like they never would give you the deal. They would always give new people the deal. That's so annoying. I hate when companies do that. But anyways, this is what they're doing. So you haven't used upside now. Now's the time to do it. Download the app. And enter all your promo codes and you get up to 50 cents off your first fill up and it's
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So this is obviously so it's a good Motor article is from yesterday, but it's a major win for gig workers. Uber agrees to pay New Jersey 100 million for mischaracterizing drivers as contractors. And obviously, this is all about the couple of cities and of course, in this case is New Jersey, but in the same problem over the obviously watching in California is the whole thing about, you know, in your area, are you a contract worker? Are you an employee, and in this case here in New Jersey, they are employees. And, and Uber obviously was just kind of skating along and they lost. So now they are going to be paying $100 million back because they were not not doing the employee. Now the big difference here is obviously it's taxes, right? Ya know that and, and if you're a contract worker, one of the big things obviously is contract workers have to pay both sides of the FICA yourself.
Okay, we do. Yes, I buy it. My accountant does it. But
yeah, so that's, that's one of the big difference and an employee, the employer pays half the FICA, you pay the other FICA the other half. That's part of that what's going on part of all these things. And of course, there's other things more thing to it. But anyways, Tuesday, on Tuesday, Uber agreed to pay New Jersey 100 million in back taxes over claims the company misclassified 1000s of drivers as independent contractor between 2014 and 2018. That makes mischaracterize his characterization according to an audit conducted by the New Jersey Department of Labor and Workforce may have prevented the 1000s of workers from being able to receive critical resources like unemployment, disability and family leave insurance through narrowly focused on New Jersey workers to pay out potentially marks an inflection inflection point for drivers across the country who for years has been gig workers and should have been employees job so that's that that they want and of course it goes on to saying that it's as in this is likely just the first step in many. Yeah. Because I as we know, obviously, in California it is this huge show, but gig workers as opposed to be employees and not not contract workers. Oh,
man, that stuff gets so like muddy. You know, you get the politics involved in the you know, it's just it gets like crazy
was but there's so many sides to this, right? Because if you're an employee, can you the employee, the dark the entire my lesson, I mean, I guess that we're, we're I don't know Well,
that's the prop 22 thing like in California, like you still you get money from the companies, right? But you're not an employee and you can still right off now it's like it's the balance but the thing is
though, the thing is though, if your company pays you reimburse you for your mileage you're not supposed to claim that as your tax as well. I don't know you're not they know you can't double do double dipping No, because then if the thing is if the company pays you then the company gets to deduct the mileage Oh, yeah, that makes sense. So it's Yeah, and of course then he's also different state to state so he says all of these things that are so weird. And so I don't know why I still want the freedom of being a contract Yeah,
me too. And I think it's just the government wanting their extra tax money I mean, they're losing out on a lot of that money and they want it
well, they should still get the taxes though with Yeah cuz it was Hey said
Yeah, but we don't do we pay extra Social Security to probably right I bet we do. Because we're technically a business owner. I mean, don't we
pay that no matter what you pay that you have it's yourself here you pay you have to pay that yourself
yeah, yeah, but I'm but doesn't Does the company have to pay that to like my w two do they have to pay part so security just kind of like
I think that no, I think that's just you I think your company pays half FICA Okay, that's it I believe so I'm not 100% sure I'm not there's not a tax a tax attorney. Yeah,
don't take our advice for it. No, I
don't but but please do use somebody who knows because as I tell this story before many times I've used it at a tax professional for years need to and the first year I started using one I thought I was gonna get I was gonna have to pay $800 in federal after she didn't read it on my taxes. I got $2,000 back.
That's crazy that that can happen. Oh, because I didn't know what I was doing. Yeah, speaking of taxes you got tomorrow it needs to be postmark your quarterly taxes already set mine in there to cash my check those efforts was
again I don't I don't pay quarterly. He's
a I would I decided this year because I got like almost three grand and I'm like, You know what, I'm not even If I get money back, it's great. I don't care.
So interesting. So I work. And this is a little bit of a of a side tangent, a little bit of a tangent. That's okay. So in Michigan, if you work in a could be in the same in different states. But if you work in as different city as where you live in, you have to pay part in both cities. So
only in Grand Rapids and Walker. That's the only city that does it. But that's because
yeah, that's because Granville don't have a city tap. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So So walk out, you pay half a percent. And in Grand Rapids, you pay 1%. Right. But here's the thing. So my company has been paying. I know, I'd have to pay for half the time I have to pay to watch an episode ahead of time because you're at work. Whoo. Yeah. But see, here's what it gets. Oh, you're working from home during the pandemic. I work from home. Ah, right. So, that whole year, I really got all that money back from the city of Grand Rapids, and I had to pay it in full Walker. They sent me so they sent me like a letter the other day, because I was technically late. With all that city taxes from Walker. Yeah, they wanted me to do quarterly sticks.
I was like, for what it was right? But it's like, but because if I could if I couldn't time, paid in a timely matter, like this time, they were gonna, you know, not not charge me the fee, but
that's hilarious. It's because
of the pandemic.
It's so funny. Meghan, we always get money back from the city of Grand Rapids. Well, yeah, but this time it's usually it's usually like seven bucks. Yeah, no, it's something really low. So that's why I was saying when they were asking about your quarterly is it but
it was because you know, my company had been taken the wrong amount because they really shouldn't have been taken anything from Cydia grandmas because I worked in walk all the time. Yeah. So I got all that money back. I had been paying in for the wife. I'm going habit, okay. And then I had to pay it into Walker and stuff. So anyway, so it was, it was just a funny letters like what you want me to pay quarterly? I'm paying every two weeks
is strange. It's like not my problem. Let the frickin my boss take care of it. Like it was
just an automatic letter. Oh, it's just that's government
for you. Undocumented workers protests, Uber Eats crackdown. So this is in France, apparently basically what's happening through the pandemic, they approved a lot of undocumented workers which I didn't even know that was a thing. And now they're deactivating them in mass as the work load has become smaller. And he says this guy, his job got an email his job had vanished after two years and 11,475 deliveries his courier account for Ubers food delivery business UberEATS had been deactivated without warning, his main source of income disappeared. And as 97% rating became worthless. I was shocked after two years of gold service he said again, they don't give a shit about you. There's there's not even loyalty in regular business nowadays anymore. Like in that's why you keep seeing the trend on like, quiet quitting. Like that's kind of the new thing now like you basically just do the bare minimum and then you go home, which I I'm fine with. That's how that's it shouldn't be quiet quitting. That's what you should be required to do anyways, do what you're supposed to do, don't go above and beyond, because they're not going to either reward you for it or you know, there's just no loyalty. It's not the back in the day when our parents well, it might have been different in Denmark. But I mean, like, you know, my dad, he worked for Steelcase for 40 years, and then towards the end, there wasn't any loyalty and he hated it there. But early on, man, they took care of you like they paid you well,
but I think that that is also something that's going to have to change because yes. So I follow a guy online called Gary Vee and anybody somebody everyone knows,
so I shouldn't say everyone knows.
I love Gary Vee. Gary Vee is great. Right? What I love about him is he has his he's constantly talking about positiveness. Okay, right. But what he's also talking about is, it's time for the companies to wake the f up.
Yeah, he is excited about that.
But he is because it's the it's the you have to figure out what makes your employees tick. Yes. Okay. That's something he uses a lot. And it's not all money. No, it's not all money. It can be, you know, family life, it can be extra time it can be I only want to work four days a week or whatever it is, yeah. Things are changing. We talk about that the no gig is changing. The invite is changing this model. Obviously, you're still gonna, you're still gonna have employees, they're gonna be there for a considerable amount of time. But the employers has to start waking up and changing. How did they get their employees what they need and what they want, right? You know? It's just it's so important that that change doing that and that, as you're just saying, employers on just, you know, countless people that don't care about you and it's all about the numbers. Some people have some businesses are oh, they are. A lot of them are. But they need to change. Yeah. Oh, that's it that that trend needs to change you need to be
especially people are just going to go elsewhere, which they've seen. Look at all the shortage, you often wonder where everyone's gone. You know, I mean, like, everyone can't get help, like, where's everyone gone? Well, they've decided to do gig work, or they've decided they don't want to put up with someone's shit anymore. And they they just stay home, stay home, and they figured out another way to make money. And I was gonna ask you about Gary Vee swears a lot. Does that bother you? I mean,
it does bother me. But But I kind of I see, the problem I have is a nice way I once in a while I do. And I tried to hold back. I think in Gary V's case, they somebody actually asked him about the swing. Okay. And he says it's because I'm real. Yeah, I love that. This is what I am. I'm sorry. If it gets in your way gets in your way. I can't deal with that. That's just, this is what I be. This is me unfiltered. I can't I can't filter it. I think unfortunately, I think it kind of lessens his message to I disagree. I but but what I mean is not that I have particularly particularly anything about the swearing. I think there's too many people out there that feels like it makes you feel that it makes you look like a jerk. Yeah. And so I think because of how he's doing that, and he shouldn't have to change for anybody. That's fine. You don't have to change you already want to do. But I think what comes with that, and he's okay with that. What comes with that is there's some people who can't accept that.
Yeah, yeah. Listen to him. Yeah, you're right. He doesn't care. He doesn't need to. He doesn't care at all, ya know,
so but he is I mean, I do like Kobe. And I like his message about, you know, being positive. And if anybody actually, I, the other day, I saw his his little bit of tech talk about why he loves the number five. There's so much passion behind that. And so you should go look at that.
Alright, thanks for telling us. We're gonna get to John's comment a minute, but I want to wrap this up. There was a big protest going on, obviously, there, they looks like they slowed way down curves are being kicked off. They only grew between one to 3% in the last three months, leading to June of 2022, compared to last year, so it is slowing down. What is strange to me is why do they allow that in America? The undocumented workers? I mean, I obviously there's obviously undocumented workers, but I mean, what does that actually mean? Undocumented workers meaning like, like, if I was coming from Mexico, right, and I'm undocumented, that means that means you don't have a Visa card, right?
Well, it means you Yeah, it means you get paid on the table. And well, how
does that work? How I don't think that can happen here. Like can someone that's undocumented, get a car get a light? like can they get all that stuff without document? I mean, this
is like a boomer? I think they can Yeah, I think they can easy. Yeah,
I don't know why. It is an issue. What are you looking at my flag?
Yeah, I am. Because I saw that. And I've honestly never seen that is upside down.
But So Jerry, my flag is upside down, because I still love America, but I'm protesting the things that are going on in this country right now. So that's my protest. I didn't want to take the flag down. But that's me saying some of the shit that's going on needs to stop
stuffing is upside down. Yeah,
I mean, that's no, but I mean, that is a way for people that still love the country and still want to support America saying This is bullshit. So thanks for bringing it up. John McCallion. The truth of the matter is that employees are burnt out, especially after the pandemic. That's why I refuse to go back and sales into w two environment. You know, I hear stories and stories from gig workers that they try to go back into the W two and they just go back to gig work because they love the flexibility they don't like a boss. Just I wonder if there ever is going to be a way that you can like really, really make good money on gig work. I mean, like, really good like six figure good without killing your car without killing you. You know what I mean? Because right now, it's just kind of a jlb. There's no promotion, there's no anything. Yes, you can figure out how to master your market and use the certain buckets at a certain time. But to me, it gets it gets stressful sometimes, especially when I have a debt, a budget or a budget, but like a goal to hit and I can't hit that. So yeah, I don't know. I wonder if that'll ever be that way.
I don't know. i i and this is Dream thing. This is Dream talking or whatever in dreaming. I would love to see him model where it all kind of merges together? Yeah, where, where it doesn't matter so much whether you're an employee or your contract where everybody's just being treated, right.
That's why I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
No, no, it's not because it's, you know, unfortunately, that's that's also, and again, I'm not I'm not a not a socialist, or a commie or whatever. That's not what I'm saying. But capitalism is going to, you know, it's gonna, it's gonna be about the money at some point, right? Well, it always is about the money. Right? And so, unfortunately, that means that in some cases, it can be about always treating the person right. But I don't know. It's it's a difficult question. It's a
battle. I mean, going back to simplicity, I would love to do gig work full time, but I just don't. Sorry. I can't read the comment. John's like, what is the yes verb and smoking?
i Nothing makes me Friday. I'm going to be smoking all day.
Deez Nuts. No, I I really I am. So looking forward to getting back into the flexibility and the gig worker and like, you know what, I'm gonna get up and do my workouts in the morning, and I don't have to get up at 4am and do it. I can get up and get the kids on the bus. Go do my workout and then do Georg, I'm super excited for that. But do I want to do it all year round? I don't know. So.
But what I'm saying though, is why couldn't your day job? Have the same flexibility as a cakewalk? Yeah, I mean, who? Okay, so you're supposed to work eight hours a day?
Well, there's a limited amount of light. And we have, you know, for me, like I do lawn fertilization.
I understand that. Okay, yeah, well, I
thought you're taking, you're just saying you can use yours. Well, that's what's different for me, like I can't start lawns before seven. And I can't do them after seven. So I only have 12 hours to get it done. I don't know how much flexibility there is there. And that's
true. You know what I mean? That is true. But technically, if you wanted to work Friday and Saturday, Sunday, Sunday, Saturday and Sunday, why couldn't you?
I mean, my boss are super religious. So there would be no way as hell that I would work in
I understand that. But if you say, if you take your job, yeah. Right. And say, Why do you have to work? Why do you have to do that job? Monday through Friday, between eight and five? Why does
that have to be the case? I mean, it's true. You could flex around that a little bit.
I mean, that's, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. If they came to you and say, Hey, Jason, I need you to do these four routes. And I need you to do them between now and four months from now. And they all need to be treated every three five times, or whatever it is. Yeah, I don't care other than that, right? Then that brings you the flexibility to control your own schedule,
right? That's true. mine a little different. But like John brought up the office jobs can be super flexible. As long as you're, you're hitting your that's why a lot of people aren't going back to the office. They're like, Oh, I gotta come back. I quit. I'm gonna go find a job where I can work from home.
That's the thing. The normal work has to be less about. What is it that it has to be the end result and less about the day to day minutia?
The minutia? Yes, it can you're producing results. It doesn't matter if you're wearing a clown suit. I know. It literally doesn't matter.
There's also the studies out that it says that if you treat your people like that, as adults, guess what? They get way more effective?
Yeah, because they're happier. They're not being micromanaged. Oh, man, we're, it's like we're having a test. That's my tape. Anyways, back to this article about undocumented workers. I just was curious if this happens in the United States, which maybe it does, I don't know. I
am convinced this happens a lot in Michigan. Well, I
get it if you're working if you're cutting personally in the field, but to get a driver's license, pick an apples or Yeah, pick an apples, whatever, I get that like I and but when you get a license, and in all of a sudden you're I don't know, it just seems strange. But anyways. we digress. Okay, so, oh, this one's yours? Yes. Where I apologize.
No, it is fine. This is a tick tock. And I actually posted it because I thought it was interesting. It is an app that is not currently in Michigan. TaskRabbit it's not in Grand Rapids. It's in Detroit. Oh, but it's not in Grand Rapids. But it's kind of interesting. This guy is really maximizing tax TaskRabbit
Yeah, I think there is a little bit of showing go here, but we'll watch it. He has a ton
of videos though.
What's the game? That was more content within the one word of day man I've been taking this job last three days I said I'm gonna get a car break. But anyways, we get started you're taking a cruise on this thing. It's dangerous as hell but it's fun. Yeah, but like always we pull up to the location and it's the same look three deaths. We had to finish I had to finish the last one. End up knocking out well now. get this job done. I got a happy client man. That's what it's all about. So we ended with 6000 last month, and we got to a 400 all the start this month.
Out Okay, so when he says we ended, I'm wondering if he has a couple of people working for him.
Well, that's what we don't know. Right? Yeah, we could have.
I mean, it sounds 6000 In one month on TaskRabbit. That seems crazy.
But again, if he has 234 people that he's got to pay, you know, yeah,
no, no, yeah. If he has a couple of people working for him, then that I totally get it. Would you? Is that something that you'd want to do? Like, put furniture together?
Oh, yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, sure. I wouldn't be effective about it. That's the problem. No, you couldn't do it fast. Oh, no. Why? Maybe if I could, you know, really good kids. See the thing about this and different in particular, you can't you gotta be careful, because you might end up if you go too fast. You're gonna break the furniture? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you really got to know the trick? Yeah. So you know, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, good for him. If he can do six days, I read a lot of the comments. And I like most my job, say $12 per job. And he did comment and say that as a member, we talked about labor as you do more, you get served paid more, he did comment on that. And I, I, I don't know if that's true or not, I don't know anything about TaskRabbit. So
if there's anybody who is using TaskRabbit in that market, we'd love to talk to you. I hate that.
Grand Rapids is just a secondary market. It just pissed me off, I get offended that we never get anything over here. Or when we do it's way down the line. You know what I mean? There was another one that Steve was talking about that night when we were doing the radio show about a lot of the last mile delivery and everything was like in Detroit, not Grand Rapids. I'm like, Come on, y'all.
It would be interesting to see get some stats from labor, we can reach out and see everything in them. So because they are growing, and this is basically the same thing as TaskRabbit. So
no, it's not actually, it's totally different. Okay, so labor, your company's doing the work, you know, then TaskRabbit you're, you're independent. I mean, you're kind of still independent with labor, but you're like, you're going to Wendy's and fill in potato boxes. I know that was totally random. Sure, for two hours. So it's anyways, so John says, Gio in Chicago does TaskRabbit but he doesn't make any videos where I don't know that is I'm not on YouTube, so I don't even know who that is. Do you? Okay, let's see. Yeah, you got to use the stupid ass tool that they give you damn it. Alright, so this is kind of funny. It's shipped. It says Hi, this is your ship shopper blank. I'm about to begin shopping order from Target. So until usually does my orders I'm not sure why I didn't get my preferred shopper. Is it possible for you to drop it still, she could either be not working today or has too many other orders currently, but rest assured I have this order and I will get it done perfectly. I'm texting with her right now. She's waiting for it. Oh boy. He says I apologize. But I've already started your order cannot drop it also paired with another order as part of a bundle. So I mean, I have to drop multiple orders but rest assured your order will be done by the best of my ability and delivered on time. I have been a full time shopper for nearly three years and know the ins and outs of being a shopper. It looks like you finish my shopping but my delivery window is two to three and I ordered milk and yogurt. So I was like clearly this woman is whatever but I had to post this comment this guy's like just screenshot the address go back in two weeks, so it's not obvious squat down and take a shit on your doorsteps. Ring the doorbell and ring the bell and run as fast as you can. It works every time. I'll read it you never disappoint. I get it that is your preferred shopper and then it's what's funny is like, why are you texting outside of the app? I mean, that's usually super frowned upon. Oh, I forgot to tell you speaking of that, I do kind of have a story. I downloaded a new laundry app in the area. It's called such air such air so of course I signed up went through everything and there's nobody around doing it. But they are strict on their the videos they were like if you do this deactivated if you do this deactivated, like we will close your account like I mean some of the simplest things that maybe a new washer wouldn't I mean, it is so strict. I'm like man, I'd be deactivated by the first day like is there not some warning system or something like that but I signed up for it but it was a nice app. So we'll see the only reason I knew about it is funny I was in my load goal informed group and someone asked about a laundry service and someone said you should try sudden share I'm like well son of a bitch I'm gonna look it up. So I download it so you can try it out might be working in your area it seems to be pretty strict. And I get it but I mean like you have to buy these certain plastic bags that are C three you got to label everything. I'm like shit you should I got three bags or three loads of laundry upstairs that have been stuck in a laundry for days. Lose a sack do not have no soup for you. You're dying, no sock for you knows suck. Alright guys, couple more stories real quick as we wrap up, just want to talk about our Patreon. Go to patreon.com Search the gig economy podcast, get an extra podcast a month, which we do not have one scheduled. Maybe we'll bring some maybe we'll bring some Patreon people on, we'll just have a 30 minute bitch fest about yes, we're after your third month you get exclusive piece of merch. And then, of course, you get the pre show banter of us. Plus, today we played sounds, we played sound effects, we got this new one like to reverb at the end. But anyways, we'd love for you to support us. There's a five and a $10 tier, your financial gift would be greatly appreciated to help move for the gig economy podcast.
So this next one was an app that I went out and they have an online platform that I found just as I was kind of going through it, gig worker.com It seemed to be more of a just a listing of buckets.
It didn't seem first, I was pretty impressed with it. And then as I started searching more, I was not that impressed to be honest. Yeah, there's not that many on there. But it's, you know, go to google.com. And you can kind of see what's in your area and that kind of stuff. A lot of them is the same ones. Obviously. You have your your your your known ones. Right. But But I mean, so again, I thought it was an interesting concept. We always talking about having multiple buckets of revenue. And and if you are looking for more, if you only have one today and you're looking to go full time, well, then it could that could be a place for you to start to kind of look at what what is Elson is in your area and that kind of stuff. Yeah,
I was going to say you could I just looked up the rideshare guy if you go to his site, too. I mean, he's got best rideshare apps 100 Plus ways to make money. He's got a bunch of stuff on here. Where Oh, don't go to the rideshare guy and get upside he's got an upside add to it popped up in front of me while I was out of sight. Dammit. Dammit, Harry. I love him so much. He's the OG but
use our code not here. Yeah. Don't use his code.
That's so funny. Yeah, yeah, he's got best food delivery apps. Best delivery cars. So yeah, obviously go go to his site. But if you use any of his links that we have, I will never be your friend again. So
we will be you can be
our friend. Seth. You like what that that buzzer noise? Confirm if you confirm yes, I will do it again. Because I love it too. Anyways, this next article, I realized I didn't read to Harry, do you know I met the editor of Harry's podcast at Podcast Movement this year. I did not know that. Yeah, I did. She was very nice. Very nice. Um, let's see looks like United States is a trio of lawmakers that launched an assault on the rights of gig workers proposing a law effectively excluding them and many others who work on demand from the minimum wage and overtime. Well, we don't want the minimum wage and overtime pay. We're fucking independent contractors. All right. This is a bullshit not a lot
of people want it? Yeah,
the bill entitled worker flexibility and choice Act would permit worker flexibility agreements that exempt employers from providing minimum wage and overtime if they allow workers to turn down work from their firm and pursue work at competing businesses, both essential features of gig work. The proposal reinforces I should read this beforehand. The proposal reinforces the alarming narrative that workers must choose between flexibility and how when they work and their right to a decent living. God, we just talked about this like 20 minutes ago. In reality, many workers could end up with neither ha earnings in many sectors of the gig economy already unpredictable and low workers for grocery delivery apps in California for instance. But Papa that shared with Human Rights Watch the a peek, opaque algorithms controlling how much their paper delivery negatively affects the earnings. Well, yeah, sometimes driving their pay below the local minimum wage. Yeah, that's why you have to do good on your see you want to dumb down so everyone makes the same you got to learn your apps, right? I mean, you can make more money, you just have to know how to do it.
I think the problem is, and again, I'm I don't have all the answers tonight, if we'd be a millionaire, but the problem is people they want to have what is it called? They want to have the cake and eat it too. Or whatever. Yeah, you you gotta actually want to do this shit. Right, right. You have want you have to go out you have to treat it like a job. You have to go out and try to get better at it. You have to find the right areas for you to drive. You have to find the right apps for you to work because they don't all work for everybody. No, I mean, I'm sorry. But yeah, if you make a minimum wage right now, then find something else.
Okay, this is an interesting paragraph I read it while you're talking. I was listening now, gig work may offer less flexibility than workers have been led to believe a seven year study of gig workers led by Boston College economist and socialist, Julie, whatever found that people who depend on gig work to make ends meet, were more likely to accept lower pay for the same amount of work. So there's more there, but I want to call it I agree that some of that is probably true. I think this is where you get the people that are doing 250 orders. They're taking them because they had their rent due at the end of the week, and they're hoping that there's going to be a big tip at the end, right? Okay. They also worked, let's just, they also work longer hours than those who engage in gig work for extra cash for these workers, the urges to accept as many gigs as possible to cobble together a living sharply curtails the freedom to log off as they please, I can't agree with this. US government data indicated that a majority of gig workers are dependent earners, a 2018 survey conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics found that 69% of people working for rideshare delivery and other digital labor platforms worked full time hours. So what do you think about that? Do you think that if someone's doing full time gig, they kind of do lose that flexibility? Or it's still there, I think it's kind of still there,
the flexibility is still there. I
mean, you can decide, okay, I'm gonna work 12 hours a day, I'm gonna start at midnight and work till noon, or I'm gonna start at noon and work till midnight, the flexibility is still there. It's the people
who end again, this is where it gets difficult to because it's the people who are way too tight. That's the problem. The people who need absolutely need that income this Friday, because they have that one bill. Yeah. Okay. It's that people, it's those people. Because if you if you have a little bit of extra, and you and you have some, you don't absolutely 100% need this one, right. And you have time to make the choice to be out there and be effective,
right? I'm of the opinion, if you can't make it and gig work, then maybe you should have a W two and then do gig work on the side to get a little extra and savings and then go back to
see gig work. So Tyla says something that is probably unfortunately true. Flexibility is their intelligence is not and I mean, not that I'm putting people down.
Um, no, I mean, there's stupid people everywhere. But it's probably
that people people do this thinking is just so super easy. And it's not
it's not as easy as you think it is easy to just be stupid and just do whatever. Like you can turn your phone on. You can take every every request you get, yes, you can do that. And it kind of dumbs it down. But if you want to make more money, you got to multi app, you got to work those apps. You just got to work them to the bone
and you get and it was John is also saying you got to tighten that budget and you have stuff I'm terrible with budget though. It's tough. Yes. But you got to give yourself some freedom to be able to take advantage of the flexibility. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
Yeah, it is true. Boy we we brought down the room. Let's bring it back with SAS favor button. See this way if I'm gassy? I can let one rip. While that's playing. Oh, please don't please. Last one. We'll wrap it up with some weirdo cookie guy and then we'll call it a day. Your cookies. Yeah, here. We talked about cookies earlier. All right, here we go. Basically, this guy is Amazon delivery driver and he wanted cookies.
And this delivery driver went to drop off a package. He got excited when he saw this cookie sign from the road but then realize there wasn't any I don't know if we got muted. I think we did. That's weird. Who muted us? I don't know.
Isn't that weird? What anyways, that's so strange. How How was it? How was it getting muted? Like, that's so interesting. Maybe they can hear it? I don't know. But basically, if you can see the videos, he said false advertising. The next time he came up, he sees he sneaks up and like doesn't roll grabs the cookies like a like a troll. Can you guys hear that audio at all? Or they can't hear us either talking? I just realized the podcast people can't i That was so weird. Y'all the audio was playing and then it just stopped on our end. But anyways, I actually put out snacks for my delivery drivers in the garage and they had the key to get in they do the little keyless entry. They put my package on the table and their snacks and Saudis.
It's very interesting. Speaking of key, one thing I have noticed, and it's probably going to come to all my guests soon. But last time I was driving, I had five people to ask for the pin on Uber. Yeah, we forgot to talk about that more and more people. Now, it comes up and it just says, Hey, you know, John entered your car. Please ask for his pin.
I think it's just a security feature. When I first saw that pin, though, that was on deliveries where the person was shady and said they didn't get their delivery. But do you think that the, the, the writer has activated that pin for oh,
I don't know. I think it's just something that's coming. Because one, I had one person, what do you mean pin? Yeah. I said in your app, you will have a pen and he went into Oh, yeah, I can see that. It's 1234. So it gets turned on automatically.
I wonder why. I wonder why that. That's a thing, though. I don't know.
I think it is just maybe it's a feature that they're testing that somebody new or whatever, but it's as secure. I think it's Pete, you know, people that safety, it's definitely safety, but it's also to overcome the somebody's paying for somebody else's ride. You know, somebody Yeah, but
you'll get around that and say, Hey, tell me the pin. You text your friend. Oh, sure. You know, you can get around that. Didn't that kind of come around? Remember that? That gal that got killed in North Carolina or South Carolina? And maybe they just starting to implement? I don't know. It's crazy.
Yeah, I definitely I've had you know, last time I was driving I had five or six with quite a bit. I know, because I
even ever even had that before. Have you? No, no. So that was like the first day that that happened?
Well, I had one the week before. Okay. And they were on visit. They can't he they know me to dive in Chicago markets. I thought it was a it was just a thing in the bigger cities. Okay. But this time was definitely several, you know, Grand Rapids people too.
That's crazy. Well, guys, thank you so much for the show. If you are in the market, or maybe if you're out of market and you want to drive to Grand Rapids, or fly or whatever I mean, I want to fly and they want to see yes, for smoked meat. But we are doing a giveaway, probably an Amazon gift card. If you are a Patreon person, you get two entries, because that's how we roll. So that's how we roll. So if you sign up between now and Friday, even if you're not in the market, you get put in the drawing as a Patreon twice. Oh, maybe we shouldn't do it twice. I'm thinking on my feet.
Well, you have to be in the pig if you're at the picnic, and a Patreon member injuries.
Okay, that's fair. I'm doing on the fly. Thanks, dad. Appreciate that. John. Tyler. Thank you, Seth. I love you. Thanks for that one more time for Seth. Gary, love you. Thanks for stopping
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