Episode #95 Transcript

Hey, you do not fast forward through these you listen to these ads are important to us. Please. Anyways, studio sponsor Irvine auto repair, go run rapid hybrid and EV call them at five, three to 6600. Or schedule online, Irvine, stop calm. If you go to their website, fill out your information, they send you a text, you know, you can do everything digitally if you want. Obviously, you can go in and see magnet Jamie in the front or Bruce. They're great. They're incredible. I can't thank them enough. And of course, if you do use their service, or even call them for anything, please mention that you heard it from our show because it really helps us to let them know. No, it helps them. It helps them to know that we're talking about them. That's confusing. Anyways, Irvine's dot com by three to 6600. Also, if you're interested in being a sponsor on the show, please reach out to us team at gig economy hyphen podcast.com. We'd love to talk about your product anywhere in the world. Grand Rapids, West Michigan doesn't matter. We'd love to support you by talking about your product. So reach out to us team at gig economy hyphen podcast.com. And we can get you a free, no hassle proposal for sponsorship. And then of course patreon.com Search the gig economy podcast if you want extra content more than what you get here on the free podcast. We give you one extra podcast at least a month. Usually an interview sometimes yesterday asked just hanging out on your third month at the $10 tear you get a free piece of merch. And then of course you get the pre show shit show that we talk before we go live on the show usually about 10 to 15 minutes. So I want to thank Hannibal for you know stepping in yesterday it wasn't able to make it. Being in Denmark, you can find Hannibal on Instagram. That's where it connects the most Hannibal is hungry. And then his YouTube channel handle Hannibal is hungry. Great guests. I hope you guys enjoyed him. I'd love to have him back. So thank you so much Hannibal and enjoy the show.

Hi, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. This studio is sponsored by Irvine's auto repair in Grand Rapids hybrid and EV we'll talk about them a little bit later. As you can see, it's different people on the show tonight. Welcome Hannibal, thank you for stepping in.

Thank you for inviting me, Jason. I will say that intro music is amazing. I will just jam into it the whole time. Actually, I but yeah, excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Yes. So we'll get to handle in a little bit. But so our boy Yes, spur is in Denmark and said to me, Jason, I'm going to bring all my equipment. And I'm going to podcast in Denmark and Denmark time. Denmark, and yeah, Denmark time. It'd be three 3am on Thursday there I think or maybe. Yeah, Thursday. I don't know. But it's early. It's 3am early. Yeah, exactly. And so he's like, I'm gonna do it. Went out with some friends and I'm gonna set my alarm take a nap and he's not here but that's okay. We got a handle. So I appreciate you stepping in everything you grow gig economy related if you go to gig economy hyphen podcast.com. Also the link tree in the description. I want to mention our Patreon people Keith from Indiana Janet from New Zealand, Larry from Bowling Green SAMSA from GRC from Colorado. Leo from Detroit, Chris from Grand Rapids and what was his name? Bud Dickman, but Dyckman from I don't know where he just joined.

That's a bad that's it. I love that name. Actually,

I feel like it's fake. I feel like it's fake. It'd be like a movie name. Yeah, something he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to let on who it is. Also, in the description, our telegram group where you can connect with drivers all over the country, chat about gig work, whatever. And also, our radio show that I'm doing between now and the end of the year on Friday nights from 7pm to 9pm. Eastern Time on TNC Radio dot live. It's with me and Steve from rideshare rodeo. It's kind of like a legit radio show on a station. Now it's not. It's internet radio. So you can you can swear which is kind of nice. But they take breaks just like a regular radio show and stuff. So cool. Cool. Kind of interesting. They play music intro outro music and stuff like that. So check that out. And then of course, Steve from the rideshare rodeo. What I always say Well, Steve, he talks about the gig economy like us But he's more of the nuts and bolts and gets really down and dirty with like prop 22 and 85 and all that complicated stuff where I'm just like, Yeah, I don't know. So we kind of do that too. But we also talk about fun stuff, and those kinds of things. So, yeah, so Hannibal, tell me a little bit about you give me like the 62nd interview, or intro speech, or if someone meets you in an elevator and you're like, who are you? What do you do?

Well, I you know, I'm a gig worker, but doing that for about a year full time, but I've been doing gig work since 2018 with a rover actually taking care of dogs, walking them boarding them. That's, that's my my main job. And as 2020 shaped and changed a lot of our trajectory in our lives, I started to do the food delivery apps, and then also being bored being in New York City. I'm from Brooklyn, I'm just didn't have much to do because everything was locked down. I started to make a YouTube channel. Hannibal is hungry. I started that talking about basic gig commentary and then also interviewing other content creators in that field. And that's probably my favorite part interviewing talking to people. And I've been having a great time since to be honest, I am happy compared to that w two life everyone likes to complain about but I like you know, betting on myself in setting my own goals. So it's been pretty good so far.

rover in New York Scott to be insane. I mean, yes, I love my dogs, and I spend way too much money them already. But I feel like in New York, especially there's not a lot of greenspace I like how do you own a dog in New York in like a 30 storey apartment building and it go into the bathroom,

it happens. Everyone has a book, I was, you know what, I don't know the stats on it. But everyone almost always say two or three people up at least say 50% of us have some kind of animal in our house, either it's cat or dog. And we have dog parks people still walk their dogs that you know they people will do spend their last dime on their dog. So the business has been really really blown up since May when the CDC kind of pulled back some of the restrictions and people were starting to travel again. So I've been really busy to a point where sometimes I don't do the food delivery stuff as much food delivery apps like DoorDash GrubHub and UberEATS because I've got all these dogs walking around and I have a unique situation where I have a backyard in the building don't have access to so they get to run around and play so my I have a very unique situation. But yeah, this dog business the business with animals multibillion dollar business a lot of people I can imagine

if you're walking your dog in the city with or it's a concrete jungle they just go number two right in the concrete anywhere

some dogs prefer to poop on the street they won't they don't care about the grass or any kind of soil that asphalt they'll just do what they got to do it's uh you know dogs are very they can adjust to a lot different environment.

Yeah, they would have to adapt it there's no green I mean you just gonna have to do what you got to do. He definitely definitely so we've already jumped into gig economy news just want to talk about Irvine auto repair grant advertisement our studio and AVR studio sponsor of this show. You can call them at 532 6600 or schedule service online Irvine stock calm I keep saying I get to get my car in and I am I'm about two weeks away from full time gig work so I need to get a maintenance check done on it and all that fun stuff and you can do everything online like I said go to Irvine comm they send you pictures of everything that needed to be repaired you approve or decline it it's amazing Megan and Jamie in the office and Bruce and the text back in the in the base they they're incredible and we can't thank them enough for supporting this podcast because I love doing it and all that money that we earned from them all that money in quotes goes to stream yard and hosting fees and all that stuff. You know yes her and I are you know buying beers although he's in Denmark I hate to say he probably used our money to pay for it but no, I'm just kidding. So 532 6600 or Irvine's dot com if you need that service and as always if you do go there call them for anything please mention that you heard about them from us we would really really appreciate it so so first up is going to be a video as we've talked about in the past drivers are there getting carjacked I talked about it on I think the radio show Friday that just seems to be happening more happening more I feel like it's kind of getting reported more. Anyways, so this guy wasn't gonna have it he said no, and we're gonna play that real quick and just talk about it

can I help you really get out well I don't have any money right now. Digital World bro. Give me a Why don't have it. Give me a lot right now. Give it to you gonna shoot me?

Get the fuck out of here. You don't want to get shot come on man no fucking camera to

look at you alrighty then does that guy have balls of steel? Or what?

Like a clean Clint Eastwood type of move, you know like that that is that is mind blowing. When you see that like what's going through your head like

I'm freaking the you know one out like I mean, he mentioned something like you don't want to get shot. So I wonder if he was carrying to I don't know if he had like his his weapon in his waistband or something I don't know, because that when the driver said to him, you don't want to get shot, do you? And I don't know. But like,

that was actually Jason That's a good point. He didn't mean he did say that. But in close quarters like that, you know, if you're going to say that you should have yours readying to be. Listen, I understand. As you get older, and I'm enjoying this, you start to not care as much. And so things that scare you. You're like, I don't even care. Like you're not gonna do anything like he called his bluff. Yep. You could tell that that wasn't something that that young young man was going to do. But I would say as much as that was a funny clip. And yeah, that dude, he balls a steel. That's scary, man. Yeah, I think those types of situations and like, as you mentioned early in, you know, before you play the clip, crime is rising in many in many areas, I think almost everywhere looks like there's, you know, robberies, carjackings and US gig workers that are outside of the field where we're like, the targets and this guy was targeted. And the good thing is, that dude wasn't he wasn't ready for that life clearly, yeah, back that he's like, you know, but it's a scary situation that we a lot of us have to deal with all of these streets.

Not sure what the passenger was doing in the back like you didn't hear anything from him and he had headphones on, but he did not realize what was going on.

I think it's like fear. Yeah. And frozen. Like, like, what you think like, Okay, what what I do in that situation is always something you always think of after the situation happened. But even at that time, that moment, like what the hell, I want to get out the car, I guess, but like, you left the driver out for defend themselves? I don't know. I would not know without

Steve comments like that dude's been robbed before. He's a pro at this time. He decided no. So clearly, he's got another video up where he was robbed. But, man.

Yeah. And I and I remember that story with Muhammad. Anwar. Yes. In Chicago, you know. So I had this idea to I thought, if I saw two girls come into my car, the man or the man, two teenagers, two young people demanded to get my take my car, I will probably say, Get the hell out of here. Like what? Like, yeah, but nowadays, these kids are performing adult criminal crimes, where you may the just your thought of how to deal with these kind of situations.

You know, the interesting part about and I think we did talk about that specific cases, your initial reaction is to be like, No, don't take my car, but in the grand scheme of things. That's what you have insurance for, you should probably just let it happen. You know what I mean, but you just feel so violated, you're like, that is my property. What are you doing? And so I probably would have done the same thing and it just didn't work out for him.

Yes, you don't really factor all those things can happen and things are happening so fast. You your initial, I think your initial feeling is to defend your property. Like this is my livelihood. I make money to support my family with this. You can't take this from yeah, there's a similar situation with an E bike. And I believe in the Bronx in New York. Someone tried to rob this guy. I think it's Fernando I forgot his last name. Forgive me, but he tried someone tried to take his bike shot him in the chest and died. But that bike represented not just convinced it was to deliver food to you know, he's I think it was I think it was a Mexican immigrant. So it's, it's a it's a crazy world we live in Jason.

Yeah, it is. I guess my only piece of advice if that happens, just let them take it that it's not worth your life. But sometimes, sometimes it just you get worried about that stuff. And you're like, No, I don't take my shit. So you know, Mark says those kinds of kids need to but weapon Yeah, they do. And then some punk said I'm surprised the pastor didn't get the f out of there. I know. Like he probably was frozen in fear because he did talk right after the guy got out. But I would have been like, I'm sorry drivers like it's everybody from there's their selves at that.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, say that.

So we've all experienced deliveries where they just don't go right and I'm sure you have as well. This guy. Well, this guy had a rough night. If you look at the picture It says, Hi, I dropped your food in front of your door. If your audio listeners, there's three giant McDonald's bags, and the dude is passed out in front of his door. Now my question is that he lived there or his girlfriend lived there and she wouldn't let him in. And he was just like, No, no, I need food right now.

You know what, let's not criticize. We've all been there. We all been there. Maybe we least made it into the apartment. We go in our OB to go on our app and just ordered too much food. You'd like to eat this meat that and Alright, so you're delivering that food when you try to wake the guy up? Or you're just like, well, if it's not my problem, take a picture and move on.

Honestly, I would be like, I would try to say bro, you okay? Yeah, like something? You know what I mean? Like an infuser. Yeah, I'd be like, Alright, man, here's your food. That would be my extent of it. If I couldn't wake him up, I would continue investigating. But yeah, yeah. And now you got a picture. What if he was dead? And now you're like, the biggest piece of evidence is you took a picture of this guy. And also

like, you're conscious, like, Damn, I should have did more but like, you're not a paramedic, you know. And, yeah, that's yeah, I mean, we all been there. I feel guilty. I've least made it into my house before I ordered too much food and didn't get delivered because I was sleeping. But yeah, that's, uh, yeah, I think I'll do what you said. Try to least, you know, hey, you're right here to some moans and groans. Like, okay, you're good. At McDonald's, you wake up and you know, chow down when you have that humble hangover.

Oh, my gosh, that guy's gonna have a bad hangover. I gotta see this picture again. So there's a running joke in this show. I'm just gonna let you know that. I've worked outside pretty much for the last 25 years and I pee in a Gatorade bottle when I have to go God bless me with utility to do that. And so it's a running joke on the show. So Mark says Jason's piss bottle was in the background. So I I definitely have to go look at this picture again and see oh, there is a Gatorade bottle right there. Oh, yeah. Ah, so maybe maybe his girlfriend is gave them like here. Here's some Gatorade or whatever. Oh, that's so funny. Mark. Yeah, good.

But you look at look at look at what he's wearing. You know, probably like that. What kind of like, work?

I bet that was a wedding. Yeah, he's alright. He was at

a wedding and he almost made it he almost made

the amount of food there there's probably like 80 bucks worth of McDonald's 80 bucks. Not that much. Right? That's ridiculous. Yeah, he

was gonna go enjoy himself. He's gonna have he's gonna have a good time. We just didn't. Didn't

didn't eat him. Ya make it making so Alright, next up there is let's see. So this is I'm going to read it on my rundown. It's looks like UberEATS customer states tipping less. Anytime an order has multiple stops not the deal and not okay. Driver not my fault. I can't control it. Yours was the first delivery anyhow. But whatever. Have a good day. Let's see if the order of arrives fresh and hot. I will add a tip this nonsense needs to stop. And then the driver. This is why people don't understand the power these drivers have. Oh, I'm canceling the trip so you can get your delivery in one stop. Only have a good day and apologize. So now it's gonna take longer. Like I my guess is he was on the way to get hers but decided that she you know, she wasn't going to get it in a quick time. I've been seeing that a lot, Lady a lot lately customers getting frustrated with multiple multiple stops. Have you had to deal with that at all?

Um, not? Not necessarily, personally, but I've seen so many stories. And yeah, the customer. I mean, we gotta try to look at it from everyone's perspective. I'm a customer. I would order when I ordered my food. I would like it as fresh and as quickly as possible. Right. I understand they do have other options for UberEATS I think you could pay a little bit more money to get it faster. Yeah, priority. Yeah, I'm thinking what Instacart. And I think if it's an I guess, if a customer perspective is like, wow, I have to spend even more money to get this done faster, should I you know, so I understand that dynamic. But the drivers for the most part, can't control that. Sometimes it comes into two you get two waters. So it's like the the company doesn't do a great job of explaining what's going on with it is not it is not explaining, okay, this is happening. It looks like you don't want to really explain that. Like you get your food when you get it. You know what I get as fast as you can, but you know, the driver is going to take two orders. So I understand both complaints. You know, like you understand the driver you can't control it and let's say the customer sometimes you got to pay more money, basically pay more money, and you will get your faster. But what do you think about that?

I think yeah, I think Uber is the only platform that has that priority and I don't know how much more it is.

Remembered I think He had like a doll. It wasn't like it wasn't like a whole lot of money, I think was like maybe an extra $2. From orders I would look at like, if I'm ordering like, you know, two meals or something like that. I think it was like $2. Now someone correct me in the comments, but it's not like an overwhelming amount of money. Yeah, a few

bucks. Not as much as the normal fee. So are they raked over the cold? Yeah, so normally, I don't take double orders on any platform. Because usually the second one is they're trying to slip on past the goalie, like I always say, and it's usually not as much as it really is. And it kind of it kind of misleads, like, Oh, this is like a really good order. But the second one usually isn't. But what I'll have is I'll have two orders on different platforms. That's when that's when it gets scary, you got to really make sure that you know, your directions when you pick up a second order from like, GrubHub. And you have one on UberEATS. Because obviously, the platforms aren't communicating with each other. And so that if you're starting to go dilute, deliver the GrubHub and UberEATS customers like where are you going? Yeah, and I've had that like, one time, most time people don't pay attention. Yeah, but I do try to be respectful of it. There's times where I'll, I'll pick, I'll grab it and I haven't had the food yet. And then I really analyze the addresses and I'll be like, You know what, no, this I'm not gonna be fair to them one of these customers, it's not fair. And I'll just dump it. Yeah, cuz I don't want the hate.

You know, the multi gapping like during the week like getting orders on multiple platforms. That's like an art and a science and luck and a lot of stuff like if you're if you know the Met like your map of your area, like the back of your head, man, you could probably get I do not my my sense of direction is terrible. I'm sorry to admit this right now. Thank God for GPS, I probably will be driving. My wife makes fun of me all the time. She's like, how do you even put your pants on whatever it is what is but but there's some people like some people just know their area is probably really fruitful to take a GrubHub or UberEATS if you know where everything is going. But going back to your point about putting a no tip order with a tip order. Instacart is must be the biggest culprit of that, where they're just doing that. Like, every time someone's getting a batch with two orders, most likely is going to be one order with a really good tip, a generous tip and one with no tip. And as far as basically saying, Well, you know, you gotta get getting the money. It just from one Yeah, he's or is not both, you know? And you can't I don't think you could cancel one other I don't believe maybe you can. I'm not sure.

Yeah. Mark in the comments. That's true. Instacart is is batching those all together? You really don't have a choice. You have to if you want to take one you have to take both. And I don't like I don't know if you can I did Instacart for a while. It wasn't bad. But yeah, I've shopped. I've done ship too. I've done it all. I swear. And it's stressful. Like, keeping the order separate. Yeah. And making sure you get it done like ship is so critical on you. If you don't get it there on time, like they're they knock you down. So hardcore if it's not there on time. So that's stressful. And it just wasn't really worth the stress for me the amount of money I was making, because if they don't tip you it's not worth anything.

True now. Yeah, I agree. Do you get

tips on rover? Is there an Is there a spot on the app? For you to get to?

That's a very good question, Jason. You know, that feature just came out literally last week, last week. So this whole time, tipping was encouraged, but was always off the app. But I think like rower wants everything in the app now. So they're like, Oh, now you can tip in the app. But before the customer will just, you know, hand you a few bucks. It wasn't something that rover would invite in the app they just started last week, which is kind of hilarious. I've been on since 2018. They just added that. So

why would they take so long? Because everyone wants it easier, right? I don't want to dig out cash. Like I rarely have cash. Just let me do it in the app.

I'm assuming they had there must have been dragging their feet on that one. Because yeah, that was something that I'm sure a lot of sitters were looking for, and just was taking our time, but they finally got it. So better late than never, I guess.

I'm really curious to see how much your income increases now that that's built into the app? Because I think it's it's probably going to go up

hopefully, since we have so much inflation. Hopefully that will supplement. Inflation is going on, you know, give me some extra dollars in the coffers there. So yeah, I am. I'm happy that it's finally on the app.

Yeah, I know, Uber, for the longest time didn't have tipping on their app either. And Lyft had it right from the get go. And then eventually Uber brought along but they initially set it the price. The tip was like included in the price. Now back in the day when Uber first started Yeah, you could make a shit ton of money. Because the rates were just incredible. But now they're so low. It's like you don't get a tip. It's like it's hardly worth it anymore. But yeah. Next up, I'm not going to go a ton into this but and this is from the Massachusetts coat coat. I can't say that word coalition coalition coalition. Coalition. Thanks You know, for independent work, so take it with a grain of salt, new poll 84% of California rideshare. And delivery drivers recommend that Massachusetts and other states passed laws like prop 22. So basically, they're saying in this article that like prop 22 is great, we should do it. I actually should ask, what is your opinion on prop 22? And 85? Do you want to strictly be an independent contractor? Or do you want to be somewhat of an employee?

Well, personally, I enjoy being an independent contractor. I, when I when I was fired, basically, last 2002, I was fired. And I told the person, it was more like a it was like a divorce. Like, the boss was crying, like, we just got it just not working out was like a marriage. That was almost everything. Oh, my goodness, yeah, it was a whole thing. And I did told I totally, I'm not, I'm not gonna work for anybody else. Like, I'm just gonna figure it out on my own. So like, for me, I am going to figure it out. I rather deal with that, rather than, say, a lot of government regulation. But these companies are daily asking to be regulated by how they are, yeah, leaving instead of fixing it, they want to just, you know, try to get as much as possible. So even the situation with Prop 22, they put that together, and I'm sorry, they're doing something similar with Massachusetts. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a very new industry, right? It's kind of started with, you know, 2008, and how things kind of went crazy with the recession and how the gig economy kind of came in, and it's still new, which they can't chaotic, it still feels like a company is vying for power. It's like a squid game. It's like everyone's trying to either buy each other or knock each other out of business. And when there's a labor, we're just like, stuck in the middle, just trying to figure it out. So usually, when I see a lot of people bragging about their take home page on they say, DoorDash, for example, it's always from California with the prop 22. Did you see that? DoorDash pay adjustment? And like, well, I will Yes, of course, I would like a pay adjustment, you know, like, we always want more money. But you know, it's it's a complicated situation. I think, though.

Yeah. I mean, I would like to see a little bit more transparency with these companies. I don't I I'm with you, I want to be independent contractor. I mean, I get fussy when I take an Amazon block, and they tell me that I have to be there from two to five. I mean, I get, I know why they have to do that I understand it. But it just, it's an example of like, I love the flexibility so much that I don't want any part of it. But we do need some protections, these companies need to be accountable for some of the stuff that they're doing. And I don't know what that looks like, I really don't want them to be forced to do it. So this is opportunity for these companies to step up and say, Hey, we're gonna do this, this and this, you know, to make you happy, but I don't know, I don't I don't believe that. If you really look at this article, and I'm going to share it on social this week, but you can click on the actual survey. And it's not as I mean, yeah, that number, you know, like, it's kind of click Beatty, I guess what I'm trying to say? Yeah, I think that and

so I've interrupted the a lot of politicians are trying to find that fix. And usually they just make things worse. And I think that's where it's going to be it's like they they're trying to because I think a lot of a lot of people who are really passionate and really upset some of them came from same thing like with me last a W two and they're doing his gig work and and kind of thinking, hey, this is not like my job at all. Like, I want the benefits. I want to be you know that that job level security, and I want to have freedom of flexibility. Like we want everything. We've got to figure out what we can have and we can have.

Yeah, yeah, I yeah, like I just reiterate, I wish we had a little bit more protection. But I also don't want I don't want to work a shift. I don't want Uber to tell me you can only work from 10am to noon or whatever I want to work when I want to work and so I don't know, I like I said I'll post this on social and you can kind of take a look at but I encourage you after you read the article, go look at the questions that they asked and how many people they pulled. It was it was a little like, Okay, I don't know about this. rideshare see from Rachel Rhodius Are you driving packs because it's spring or because you feel COVID safe to get back to it? Because it's spring. I don't know what that means. I will go where the money's at I will drive passengers around. But right now the money's not there. Unless there's a bonus left Scott incredible bonus for this week. It's 250 bucks for 20 rides. Which is really good. I'm not going to be I don't have time to get it done. But I'm going to go where the money's at. I would rather do delivery. But if rideshares got big bonus then I will go do rideshare so that's that's basically where I'm at. So go Oh, that was that Janet? Sorry. Sorry, Steve. My bad. Okay, this is a video about it's just kind of funny. These ladies were out just having dinner and driving down the road was like a delivery or No, no, no, this is my bad. This is wrong one sorry. I read that wrong. This one's about a tick tock, an Uber price phone kind of trick, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that's literally what they're doing. I think there's a lot of algorithms that change those prices. But we'll watch that real quick,

on the latest episode of capitalistic dogshit megacorps will do to squeeze more money out of you, they will charge you more if your phone is about to die, because they know you're desperate. So we just tried it. And as you can see, the phone is almost full. And this is 129. And as you can see, my phone's about to die and I get 154, which is 20%. More, this is just so nice. So I bet the guy who thought of that got a promotion. So moral of the story, if you want to save money, charge your phone. Whoa.

Yeah, I mean, so here's the thing, if you don't, I don't know, this guy's background, he's got a pretty decent following. I kind of looked at him on tick tock Uber's algorithms is like, this is another thing like transparency, right? Yeah, like some people get the bonuses, some like we can be in the same city, live on the same street drive the same amount of time, and one guy could get a bonus and one guy couldn't or one guy would get the surge and one guy couldn't. So I think what it is, is is probably just a fluke. I don't know, he's probably trying to get some, some likes or something like that.

Yeah. I mean, did he wait for the phone to die? Did he get later in a time when things got busier? I mean, it's not, you know, it's not so scientific, you know, a lot of, you know, terms of a lot of effort trying to figure out exactly what's going on. But we don't know how to algorithm work days. No, we don't know. And it seems like some, you know, just last week, with a whistleblower from Facebook explaining how, you know, how some of the algorithms weren't even that great in terms of checking certain content that should be allowed to go on the platform or not, and who knows what's going on and Facebook but that's like a multi billion dollar company, one the most valuable company in the world and that algorithm apparently sucks, apparently. So it's like, yeah, Uber and DoorDash. You know, they're not as valuable so it's, you know, we still we think that AI can replace people but yeah, I still kind of stupid like people should still be operating some of these things. But you know, labor you don't have to pay AI, you know, anything, so yeah, I don't know. I take that with a grain of salt with that. Um,

yeah, I like to see him repeated a couple times. Just to see if he could, you know, do it more than once. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, they so Steve says bit phone battery can't be read by these platforms. I don't know Steve. I don't know. I I was just gonna say I wouldn't be surprised that they can read your batter. I mean, you have to give up so many permissions when you download those apps allow allow allow, but I don't know maybe they can. I know.

It'd be nice if they can't like his it'd be certain things they they can't look at. Yeah, but also a rideshare everything's expensive I mean, you know, I drive I'm sure you drive it you know, use rideshare a lot anymore, or no, but the prices are increased a lot of ride ride la drivers don't want to do it anymore. Either. Or not worried about the COVID stuff. They worried about crime then when someone's car and the food delivery the shopping apps to get as much money or more money, less mileage wear and tear in a car. So things are going to get more expensive just using these you know, things in general.

Steve says not on iOS, though. Yeah, I know Apple is more strict about letting apps read their stuff. Okay. Don't be talking program shit. What unisex? Isn't that like a shirt that can be worn by men or women like? Guys, I love it. That's funny. Before we move on, I just want to talk about you are a potential sponsor. We're always looking for a sponsor advertisers on our show. If you'd love to be on the show, we can get your word out where we're worldwide. That's what I always say no, but no, we can put together a proposal for you all our stats or numbers and stuff and send that out to you. So we'd love to have you on the show. We'd love to talk about your product, something that you want to sell. I mean, obviously something that's web based is probably easier. But you know, if you're in the Grand Rapids market, and you're local, we we our biggest our biggest market obviously is Grand Rapids because that's where we're from, but yeah, just reach out to us. You know, team at gig economy hyphen.com Or you know, send us a Facebook message also. Yes for who's not here I thought for sure he chime in by now. Yes for me and my partner band owned a production company called Hey guys Media Group we help people start their podcasts we edit their shows those kinds of things. We'd love for you if you're interested in starting a podcast to reach out to Hey guys media to search it on the web, you'll be able to find it but yeah, if you're ever interested in starting or just need some consulting or anything like that we would love to help you. This is something I'm excited for. So this is about it's Indigo technologies wants to make lightweight Cars for the gig economy workers now, I don't have any pictures for this. But first of all, the car is ugly, ugly, like it's rough looking. I know it's just a, you know, a demo or whatever. But the company is based out of Massachusetts and they're trying to make cars that benefit Uber Amazon flex Instacart, those kinds of things. And they're trying to make an electric. So the one one seater that they have has 58.3 cubic feet. That does nothing for me like cubic feet, like, Do you know what that how big that is?

Well, I do not, but I agree with you. I did see the picture of the vehicle. It's ugly, and it's small. So the first thing when I saw it, I said, okay, if I'm Instacart shopper, how the hell am I take any kind of batches at all? Like it? Just it's Yeah, well, it's basically only it looks like for food delivery, right? Like, what else are you going to put in this

thing? Yeah, it's a one seater this one. So they have two models. So this is a one seater has a range between 150 and 250 miles on a single charge, and it's going to start have a target price, about 20. Grand. Which, what to me? I mean, for an electric car, remember, think about the electric part, because that's that's where the key is you're not spending any fuel on that. So they also have a Ford, our cousin, which has 106 cubic feet, so double the cargo space. And it doesn't say how many seats are in that one. I assume it's four seats. Did you think 20 grand was too much?

I think for one seater. Yeah. I didn't get to see that. The bigger the bigger one. So oh, there was no picture for that one. Yeah, that and like I said, how ugly it just, it don't look as cool as I tried it. I think I tried to get that that futuristic aesthetic. Yeah, it just misses the mark. I think it's just you know, I guess it's just for working. Right? Well,

what Yeah, exactly. And although that would be funny, if you're like going on a date, and you're like, Yeah, I'm gonna order an Uber. And that son of a gun thing comes up and you'd be like, Oh, shit, my day is gonna think I'm a loser. You know what I mean? Not that you can control that. But that would be funny. Yeah, but but one cool thing about this car, which I'm excited about is they're working on an innovation with the suspension system to provide a most comfortable, comfortable ride as they can. So I'm excited about this. Because with Amazon flex, my suspension system is jacked. Like I've already put, I put, like, almost two grand into my power steering system, because it just got beat up because a lot of times with Amazon flex when you're just delivering just packages, you're out in the boonies, like it's dirt roads, and it's muddy, and she's just bouncing up. So apparently, he says we've literally reinvented the wheel in such a way that we created the world's first propulsion sis suspension system right into the wheel. Oh, it's called the Super wheel. And it's an active suspension technology allows the driver to control each corner of the vehicle going over bumps is no longer an issue creating what he calls a magic carpet, right? Okay, whatever. Every single wheel that's touching the ground will have the ability to raise up when it hits a speed bump and push down if it hits a pothole without the rest of the vehicle dipping. So it's basically like you're driving along, that wheel drops, but you don't notice it because it's got its individual suspension, which

that's, that's amazing. It's incredible.

I was so excited about that. Because oh my gosh, like, Oh, that would be so great. And and I bet it would save a lot of like wear and tear because the whole car's not going cut chunk. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I mean, I got your dirt roads, you know, in the boonies. I'm just in Brooklyn. The, the yards are just jacked up like every Yeah, so I'm bouncing around all the time. So that Alright, 20,000 and I can glide around the neighborhood glide around my Yeah, I would I Yeah. I think I would, uh, I would know. Yeah, think about investing that yeah,

like to me, I want a Tesla so bad just because I don't really trust like the Chevy Volt. I don't know why I'm not I'm kind of like an Asian car kind of guy. Like I have Honda's on my Honda has 240,000 miles on it my SUV. It's no no lights, no check. engine lights on that thing. Yeah, this it needs some suspension work. Of course. Am I gonna wait till it breaks till I fix it? Yeah, of course. When I bring it to Irvine's and they're gonna say this is jacked under here. I'm like, hey, it's fine. I'm not spending the money until it's broke. Yeah, it is. But my car is running great. You know what I mean? The problem is like, literally gas is I mean, it's probably more expensive where you're at but I was like, almost on he yesterday, like, almost fumes and I put $65 in that thing in it. And I get 17 miles to the gallon. Yeah, that sucks, you

know? And right now it's very you know, car prices are Hi, LD the chips, it gets computer is on backorder and, and I just finished purchase, paying off my little car, and I have my Jeep as well. I'm going to just write it into the breakdown. I just right now just not worth the financial hole of trying to get another loan. I'm not doing that. So I'm going to ride to the wheels fall off literally. Yep,

me too. My goal, I have a 13 year old daughter, she's going to be 14 in December two years if I can I want her to have that now, that's I mean, I do gig work half the year full time. So that's a lofty goal. But I mean, I bet when I if if I could, you know without crashing it too. That's another risk. You're always on the road, the chances of you getting hit or whatever are pretty high. But that car pile have 400,000 miles on it. If I can make it till she's 16. So we'll see. But yeah, I want an electric car. I'm tired of paying incredible amounts of money for gas. But the problem is if you want to do Amazon flex you kind of I mean, you kind of need a little bit of a beefy car you just do if you're in at least my neck of the woods. You know, obviously, I'm around the city all the time. But Amazon that's what they do. They send the flex drivers out to, you know, the boonies and keep their drivers in in the city. I just don't know if I could take a Tesla down a dirt road and not cry every time it was, you know, muddy,

dutiful car. Yeah,

I know. Yeah, but we'll see. We'll see. Yeah, man. I'm excited about that. The suspension thing I about died. I was reading it before the show. And I got so excited about this. Man if I can avoid those potholes, and you

know, that's not it's a game changer. I agree. I agree. Yeah, changer.

All right. Real quick, too. And I'm sure I forgot his name. Oh, Chad probably talked about this one. DoorDash UberEATS GrubHub must disclose hidden fees, given new delivery workers, all tips on the new California laws that one that he talked about?

I believe we have we talked about last stuff, but I believe Yeah, we talked about that. You know, the interesting thing. Again, why had to make a law about that, you know, like, you guys, guys, like why you can't just tell us what is going on. And I understand why but this is gonna continue to happen. These these regulations is gonna just keep keep coming.

Well, we just talked about that. Right. If the companies don't shape up, the government's going to step in, and I am not. I'm not. I hate to say it. I would like less government in our business. Like, that's just I think sometimes Jacks it up. And I think a lot of times the government wants it because they want their tax money. Right, you know, so, but I think this is a good one. I honestly am glad California did this. Basically, the bill prohibits food delivery apps from charging customers more than a restaurants do, which is that one's huge, because most restaurants on you know, if you order food delivery, it is more than what it is on their menu. It also addresses hidden fees, requiring the companies to disclose to restaurants and customers detailed cost breakdown of each transition or transaction. And then of course, it says, you know, they're gonna make sure you get all your tips. But yeah DoorDash which originally said it had no comment on the signing of AB 286 later said it already provides transparency. That's bullshit right there. Throughout his platform to customers, merchants and delivery workers. The company also said Dashers always receive 100% of their tips and see the full breakdown of all their deliveries in the app. That's such a lie

off just saying no comment and moving on no kidding But going back to the how the items in these apps are more expensive. I always assumed that maybe I'm wrong that it was the restaurants there were up charging like putting more money because of the cut that these companies are taking out of their pot that they would try to offset that way is the is the you think is the abscess doing that. But they're

no you you you bring up a good point I thought the same to recover it recoup their costs of you know, Uber, I think takes like 35% Crazy, crazy. So maybe it is that but according to this, some of the apps are doing that themselves. So they must be keeping that money too. Right? Like obviously they're they're not giving it to the driver. No, not at all. But so this is one this is one time where I'm glad they stepped in because you know anytime we can have more transparency on any of these apps is a win for everyone. That's the biggest

thing I think I know a lot of us want more money of course we all want more money. But you know if one thing can change tomorrow, what would it be for me in terms of having a better experience being a gig worker is just be transparent like just let me know if it's garbage just let me know it's garbage. You maybe I'll take it probably not but at least let me know. Maybe?

Probably not. It Do you have a just curious that popped in my head? Do you have a limit that you will take and not take? Like, do you have like, is it a mile thing? Is it a time is probably more a time thing?

Yeah, it's a little Little Mix. Because I'm in such a good condense area of you know, Brooklyn has like 8 million people in a city or some crazy amount of people. So there's like 1000s of restaurants. So mine is based on time and I want at least $2 a mile to dollar ratio. And I don't want to go like over four miles, which is kind of crazy, like everyone else is going all these but just taking my son to school this morning. It took me 40 minutes to drive three miles. It's just so much traffic. There's too many human beings in our city I need to move I should move but there's too much of us here and we all driving in the same roles and we're just no accidents. It's just we're just in the road are the bumper bumper to bumper

craziness All right next up these are for you. So I want you to comment on these these are rover. The first one it's a looks like a booking between David and somebody and it looks like the guy that's going to take care of the pet says hey, I want to let you know that I do use ultrasonic bark detergents like the sonic egg. I do use the beep and spray collars if owners are comfortable with it. Customer no I'm not okay with that. That needs to be upfront information. My dog does not barking that has never gone after another dog or person. What are you? What do you call it? The sitter is that yeah, the sitter the center says that is why I'm a for me now. Thank you for letting me know. Customer okay, why not be needing to meet and greet since we will not be using you. And he's like, thanks for letting me know. Yeah, this is odd.

Very odd. You should not be implementing any kind of electric collar to stop the awesome bracket. That probably means that person is probably in an area that they're taking care of dogs where they should probably shouldn't have dogs dogs are barking because dogs bark. Yeah, dogs gonna bark dogs bark my floors bringing or a new person is coming on. They're playing. So the idea you trying to limit the way the dogs communicating? Yeah, um, I don't really use any kind of color, isn't it? I don't know that. And I understand some trainers do that. But that's just not for me. I think there's other ways to get dogs is not bark. Sometimes just Alright, if you want to turn, spray a little water. Ah, yeah, stop, stop, dummy.

You know what I mean? Your role your role is a sitter is not to train the dog here that their desire to live just to keep it alive.

Take a picture every day of them, but they're alive and happy love. Give them love Padam hang out we watch TV a lot. He's dogs. I always tell when I do Meet Greets with clients. I say, you know, it's not rocket science, but just hanging out with your dog for a few days. They'll be fine, because right now everyone is just so panicked. They're like, you know, we've been together for who here? He's a COVID like I don't know if that means a COVID dog as long as a dog that's your pet you were home all year. It's fine dog be okay. Yeah, it's more no client. That's more of the anxious than a dog dog is happy. But you know, but Yeah. Should not be doing any kind of training methods with callers like that. So that's a no go. Yeah, that

is that is strange. I don't know how that guy even gets business. It's very weird. No, again, we're taking a screen. A snapshot of this conversation looks like there's stuff above it. So we don't know anything about it. But you know, we can only judge on what we see but my my Lord, and then this one's funny too. The last one is how sending request home information. I have a three bedroom two bath home with a large fenced in yard and Wi Fi. All right, great. Next, the next paragraph along with the two dogs I have seven cats to parakeets a con for I don't know what that is a cockatiel. Fish in a turtle outside I have four ducks and 12 chickens. The cats have their own room, so you'd only need to feed them in the evening. The dogs in the turtle and the fish are the only other ones you'll need to feed each day when he is the golden doodle and schuyler's Yorkie mix both are very sweet as long as when he doesn't touch Skylar. Oh my gosh.

And that I wouldn't I would not take Yeah.

That is crazy. I mean, what why would someone think that you would do that?

You know, well, if you pay enough money, you know someone will but another thing that we deal with just like with every other app a lot cheapskates a lot of people try slick so they're like he took care of my dog open my cats over here. You just feed it once a day. It's okay like well, you didn't put that in the app right tries like you're trying to get a free service. So I was like, people will try to get away with things. So one things I do you know, especially when you start getting good traction because when you go on rover, you're you have a profile, you have your rates you get to adjust your rates. I don't like cheap customers so my rates are high and so when they try to book your look at my information to see how much it costs, if you know they want to talk to me, which is good, perfect. I don't want anyone that cheap. I don't want someone that wants me to take care to animal Like they'll like I had a request today. Hey, like you took care of my dog tomorrow. Like, I don't know your dog. Yeah, you have a picture of your dog. That's no I need more information. So like, certain things you want to screen out those kinds of crazy customers. The weirdest one I ever did was and I got paid pretty decent. I take care of like, for Dobermans and I had to feed a turtle. And I had to feed a bird. Okay, actually took a picture. There's a cute little bird. But I pay for all those things. It wasn't a, you know, surprise thing. Like you just take that on your way out like, no, I need to get paid for these things. And that was like a house visit I had to do twice a day. But yeah, some people try to get away with it. Same thing is I guess every other so yeah, try to find a way to you know, showcase this.

I guess my question is so in my head rover was just a dog thing. But you you can get hired for a cat or a parakeet or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, they got whatever they could, you know, take a picture of it. And you'll say, Hey, this is the animal they call it exotic. Okay, kind of overreaches, and you know, you can if you're comfortable with taking care of it. Back in a W two job, we took care of rabbits. We had a Guana hedgehog one time, that hedgehog actually escaped. We couldn't find it for a few minutes back in a job who was freaking out on Christmas Day. It was like where's this damn hedgehog? But yeah, we all types of animals as long as it's not illegal like a condor? I don't know. I don't know

what that is either. Some sort of a snake maybe?

Yeah, cuz the condor is like a bird of prey, which I'm sure that's not something to be taken care of

that CEO and you see, O N U R E. I don't know. Maybe you spelled it wrong, too. But anyways, either way, that guy's a psycho.

Or you need more than one person do all that work. Yeah, it's like a farm or something. Like get ducks got chickens. Like a hole. Get the hose like a farmer. Yeah.

Wow. That guy's gonna have trouble getting that paid. Or getting. Mark No babysitting trout. No, bro.

No, I'm not.

I mean, unless you're into that. I mean, I guess I'm not gonna judge anyone. Oh, Google says conquer is a bird. Okay, well, at least it's not a snake snakes. Not fan out a fan. Alright, couple more things. But first, I just want to talk about Patreon. As we talked about all our members this morning with this morning, earlier in the show. We really appreciate them. If you'd like to support the show, you can go to patreon.com Search the gait Academy podcast, we do one extra podcast a month and on your third month you get an exclusive piece of merch more than likely a t shirt with our logo on it. And then you get the pre show banter to like we kind of talked before the show and you know, yes for normal when normal. Normally he's here we do do is Hannibal today. So you get an extra bonus with that. But yeah, we'd really love to support again patreon.com Search the gate Academy podcast, and just recorded another episode tonight. interview with a company out of Seattle that's trying to kind of change up the gig economy. Gaming was really fun, and I think you'll really like it. So patreon.com Search the gig economy podcast. All right. This one's just kind of funny. I don't know how legit it is. But so it's a picture of a guy a Lyft driver and the squirrels there's a squirrel dead on what would you call that like underneath the windshield wipers but between the hood that little weird area? Yeah,

that little little concave. Yeah, that collects

all the leaves. You know what I mean? You got to clean out in the fall, but it says I thought my first pastor last night was trying to tell me there was a raccoon in the bushes or something. Nope. Just drove around with a dead squirrel on my hood all night. Ah, I'm like, I don't know. Do you think that's legit?

Well, first of all recipes. Yes. You know, like

lived a good life. I don't know how it ended up there. But okay.

I mean, did he did he somehow that he hid the squirrel and flipped it onto the side of his I'm sure that would happen. Is it possible to drive at night sometimes, especially when you just focus and you just try to get your money? Maybe but I don't know. Yeah, I think I would have noticed I wrote it on my windshield. Yeah,

I love when I see these though. Because even if it is fake like this the first time I saw a dead squirrel on a Lyft car. I mean, I'm not gonna lie like I've seen. I see a lot of pictures. Gig pictures. I follow so many channels and I've never seen that so that's kind of fun. Yeah, it is dead dead it Oh, yeah.

It's that's not how we're supposed to know. The wage. Yeah, no.

Another arcaro For my man, Steve. Uber X. X Uber driver takes legal action over racist face recognition software. So long story short, long story short, long story short, basically, it was a black driver who was on the platform from 2016 to April 2021 has filed a suit claiming his account was illegally deactivated when facial wrecking software used to lock drivers onto the ride hailing app decided he wasn't, he was. So the article just kind of goes on and you know, says that. But obviously it's designed to protect safety and security of everyone using the app sharing the correct drivers using it. Of course, they're committed to fighting racism being equal. Yeah, yeah, we know that. So this was interesting, though, drivers can choose human verification of their picture. And when tick tock technology is chosen, there's always a minimum of two human expert reviews prior to any decision decision to remove a driver. So that's weird, right? So like, if they're gonna kick this guy off the platform because they're not they they he's not who the he's not who he says he is. to humans look at that and still make the decision to kick them off.

Or there's no humans and they're just using the AI just looking at the algorithm. Yes, save time and they doing that? I mean, it's interesting. When I have when I do Uber Eats every cup same thing with Uber I'm sure a couple of maybe a week or two they say hey, take a picture your face so we know to you and for months I thought it was just oh this happens to everyone because I when I do it, I usually do dinner so it's dark. So I'm in the car I start my app because I usually don't start when I'm in the house. And they'll say take a picture I'm taking a picture I got the all the lights on the car I take it but nothing's working. Oh my god. Did I really have to get out the car you need to go into a store somewhere layer and then it didn't work? I thought that was just oh just you know he's not that great with low light. It just got good you know, like I talked I talked about this with Chad he's got to get it together got to fix it got to strengthen this technology. It doesn't.

It doesn't seem that hard to fix. And I think if it isn't the dark if I'm not mistaken. I think it doesn't light up. Doesn't the screen get brighter or something? I swear because sometimes I've had to do it where I've like got kicked off because like Uber lately if you if you decline like two or three rides it just literally kicks you out like you have to resign in and sometimes it makes you take the picture and I swear at night the screen gets super bright but maybe not. But yeah, I mean get your shit together I don't understand why

it is like this discriminatory. It's I don't think it's something that's no intentional. It's just get the technology strengthen enough. So if I'm going to do dinner, I'm on a dinner shift and it's dark in the car. Let me take the you know, like I want to start working I'm trying to figure out where the damn light is. And go and get you know, take a decent I'm

surprised the car light isn't bright enough for you. Oh, no, no, no, that's ridiculous. But yeah, well hopefully they'll get their stuff together. I mean, I don't know about the lawsuit. I mean being falsely deactivated. Yes, I but if you're claiming racism or whatever, it's like they're not like they're not trying to do that. I mean, all those apps are pretty pretty legit as far as that goes,

we want you to go out there and take all the bad offers no matter what race you just take

exactly. They don't even care they want you working so their intent is not to do it but when you say you have to humans look at it before you kick people off the platform that's bullshit because any person would know okay, this is this guy we're not going to do exactly what okay this is the robot when I was talking about so basically it's a one of those little robots that deliver I think I don't know I'm just trusting the Reddit commenters I could be full of shit but I'll play the video and see what you think the moment this cute little delivery robot so

the bystanders going

to go help I don't know I just thought that was funny that they were watching it like oh look at this cute little little robot and then yeah, this is why we won't be replaced anytime soon for that reason. And I want to know Robert

was very it was very confidently right like went into that fire hydrant right

like it was hauling. It had like, like, like rough tires on it. Like it was like odd can take on any terrain. But yeah, I don't know if somebody was like, actually like driving it with a remote control or it was actually like, AI that was directing it. But yeah, I don't know.

Yeah. AI is not something that's I mean, they're they of course they're working on it. They want the you know, the no driver in the car is always like, is going to get there to that point is not ready. It's not ready. Not anytime soon, even if that was a joke. Because usually the ones I've seen they they're not going out quickly. Well, from the little robots. I've seen that they're going in campuses. They kind of just feel steady Eddy kind of speed. But even if that was fake, that was funny.

Yeah. See from Roger rodeo. Just going back to the article remember that's what I don't can't pronounce his name in London told me make sure to choose human verification because with dark skin and women the facial recognition they use in London is made by Microsoft they admittedly say they say it works 80% of the time by people of color and women that's not very good stats.

Yeah, that's not good. Got to pick that right pick it up Microsoft Come on.

Alright, couple more things. Just picture and then an article that I added late because I read the news about it. So this first one oh man, I labeled it as Karen one. Or Karen and then I had to do two pictures. Drive I just picked up your order. I have an order on my route to take care of then I will be headed your way she's like okay, at 321 at 336 My food better not be cold because you're not even close to my location. So clearly this is someone that has looking at the app you're your you other order was not in route to my location driver. I've got a lot of orders today. Your order will be nice and warm. I'll make sure of it. I'll be to in five minutes. I have to drop off the orders in the order that I received them. I'm not sure I think in DoorDash you can flip those around. Don't quote me correct. Oh, you can? Yes, you can. I'm not sure

Uber Eats UK Okay, I think definitely yes.

349 My food is cold. You didn't even knock I did not request contactless delivery not happy at all. He's like the driver. Why lie? I don't wish to expose myself I have children I knocked in your food was hot in the bag, then get a new job she says so I don't know if she actually did. She didn't want contactless. But if you got to follow the what it says he probably didn't want to knock on the door and talk to her because she was pissed. So he's like, I'm just gonna drop it. She's, she says, then get a new job. Oops, that's the next picture. Sorry, oh, then get a new job. I hope your supervisor appreciates your poor customer service. Driver, I have choices to have contact or not. You're just a peach, aren't you? Now you actually don't The driver doesn't. It's the customer. Customer. I'll be elevating my complaints. He says Have a good night, Karen. Thank you for the record of poor customer service, I can now show your supervisor. He says I don't negotiate with terrorists. I'm sorry, I can't make the world revolve around you better luck next time. Have a wonderful evening. So I mean, he technically was in the wrong he can't choose. I mean, that's if if if you are worried about your safety, I No disrespect to that. But you should probably not do this job then like, if you're not comfortable, even with a mask on talking with customers, you probably shouldn't do it. And I agree. Like I said, he probably didn't want to talk to her because she was super pissed. And he probably didn't want to get in the air full. But you can't make the decisions. You have to abide what the customer said. The thing I get a lot, which I'm sure you do, too is like it says it doesn't say no contact list. But in the notes, it says just drop at the door. So then you have this awkward like, Well, I'm not supposed to drop it at the door. But you're asking me to I don't know what you do I just drop it knock like, I'm like,

um, it depends on the situation, it depends on how, you know, I guess you get a feel, yeah. If this person has been given me crap, and I'm one of all exactly what the app says. And going back to your point, Jason, a lot of drivers don't really have a lot of customer service background. So they're not familiar or comfortable dealing with, you know, the Karen's of the world all those people who are just, you know, they're uptight, they they disrespectful, and you may not want to deal with that. But when you go out and have customer service, and you deal with strangers every day, it's you know, you realize he can't take it personal yet it may have an attitude with you, but it's never really a you know, you may think it's it's your fault, but it really isn't just you can't control all the variables in the world. So you don't want to jeopardize your platform, your job, you know, with the apps by not following directions, because you want to avoid Yeah, dealing with a annoying customer. Yeah, I

mean, you can even figure out what area of town I mean, if it's a bad area of town, like I mean, I hate to be judgmental, but you should probably just, you know, probably follow what the app says I don't know. I just feel like if I feel like those areas of town people get fussy but then also in the super rich areas you get some Karen's that are fussy too. I don't know I always just don't know what to do. When Yeah, it says the app says you know knock on the door enhance the customer and the instruction from the customer says leave it and I just kind of go well, the customer wants me to leave it so I customer's always right so I just that's what I typically do I just drop it in Yeah.

i Yeah, I again, it really depends on the area like yeah, you know, just like you or at least for me, I avoid to get oh yeah, even though I kind of live in again. And I know it's like I don't work I live here but I'm working Yeah, I think like I rather live I rather work where you know the income levels a little higher. I better restaurants. Yeah. For the fast food restaurants because I feel like a lot of the weird kind of No, I didn't get the order or there's always some wrong. Did you get all the little catch ups? Like all that little weird stuff? I don't deal with as much when you're just doing with the regular like Mom and Pop restaurants where people usually tip anyway. So, yeah, would you the kind of words you pick does kind of give you an idea of how your day is going, right? We were just doing the McDonald's it was every all day. You got to deal with some nonsense. Yeah,

McDonald's, i Man, it's got to be a really high value for me to do McDonald's because one and I don't know about you, but most of the lobbies are closed. So the drive throughs are the only way to go. Tonight. It's a nightmare. And like, you just I mean, I would drive past them. If I took a high value on I would literally go to the McDonald's. If there was if it was the drive thru was busy. I would just cancel it. It's not worth me sitting in line for 15 minutes. I mean, it's gonna have to be a really, really high value for me to do

that. I agree. It's not worth it. For the most part majority of women not yet. Exactly.

So the last article it got it got announced today. Thank you for the rideshare guy. Uber did acquire drizly for $1.1 billion. And we talked about a couple episodes ago, the FTC was looking into them because they're trying to not let Uber become a monopoly but clearly they cleared them to to buy it, but I'm so pissed about that, like Uber is just trying to it reminds me of Amazon really to be honest with you, trying to do everything trying to buy up everything. I mean, good for them good for drizzly. I mean, gosh, 1.1 billion. Can you imagine starting a company from scratch and you sell it to Uber for a billion dollars?

I feel like Yeah, I mean, great. I mean, that's, that's always you know, that if that was the plan, or you realize, hey, I'm looking at the marketplace, and it's extremely competitive. Let me cash out now where things are pretty good, like, Will drizzly will ever be more valuable than one point? Probably not considering all these other companies are looking to, you know, Docker whole delivery and everything like that. And it's interesting. I think everyone is trying to be like Amazon, like, I think DoorDash you know, Tony Chu is? He's probably thinking I could do I want to be like, Amazon, too. I want to try do a little bit everything. Yeah, I want to buy companies and any going back to Instacart. Like it's quite looking for someone to purchase them. So it's, it's gonna be a really interesting and chaotic future, like, what's happening here. And what's gonna happen in two years, it may be completely different. So it is gonna be very interesting to see.

Yeah, I always asked these newer companies that I interview, curry is one of them, which is a delivery platform for like, heating and cooling, those kinds of things where you can get, you know, we're not sending a big truck to deliver that kind of stuff. And I interviewed him and I said, So what's your what's your end goal? I mean, is it to grow up big and sell it? And he said, it's not but I don't blame these these companies for doing that like drizzly. Like, you got to look out for your family. I mean, you start this from scratch. And if everyone agrees on it, like, take that cash out, man, like, you know, you could cash out and never work again. Or you could make something else amazing.

Yeah, I think you got to look at the market, see how things are flowing. And you kind of you know, I guess, try to do some forecasts and say, hey, you know, next year, maybe a little bit rougher is how about, you know, like I said, cash out now, and you could pursue other interests, you could do so many other things. So there's nothing wrong with doing that. But I feel like there's so many little small companies doing the same thing. Yeah, eventually, they're going to get brought out or be out of business. We will not we will know in the future. But definitely know about that. The only

frustrating part that I've always said is I don't want Uber to own it all. Because then there's no, they have a monopoly, right? Because like, I like to have seven, eight apps that I can choose from and there still are. But if Uber keeps buying these companies up, it's just like, then we're then we have to use Uber and then we kind of got to do what they say because they own everything. But I mean,

yeah, yeah, you definitely don't want any kind. You want competition you want you want companies coming in with fresh ideas, better ideas, because they will look at the current situation and realize, yeah, this kind of sucks. Let's do it this way. So I understand that point, but I still think it's still gonna be enough competition to keep keep Uber, you know, I guess, trying to pursue better ways of doing things. Well, at least

there we have Amazon because Amazon and Uber will always they'll they're not going to join in. So Amazon will be a competitor. I mean, they're trying. there was rumors for a while that they were gonna buy Lyft you know what I mean? So drizly was founded in 2012. So they literally nine years they turn this in, they sold it for a billion dollars in nine years. That's incredible. That That is incredible. Oh, the American dream, man. I'm telling you like holy cow. There's hope for us animal there's hope

you can develop an app service thing not

not that now. Our shows will go maybe Spotify Oh by us I sell out the Spotify

Rogan had 100 million you'll take you'll take a few few you know, if you bought

a ticket for 100 grand I'll sell for 100 grand. Anyways, this is Hannibal, why don't you tell people how they can find you?

Alright, uh, Instagram handles hungry. A YouTube handle is hungry. I can't remember my Twitter. Sorry, I don't Twitter, Twitter a lot clearly. Yeah. A lot. But, uh, yeah, definitely hit me up on Instagram. And you know, check out my YouTube channel. I'm always talking to different creators always having different topics and a little different from the ride alongs I don't really do too many of those because I find them boring myself. But you know, I'm always trying to find fresh ideas and talk about these kinds of topics. So yeah, just check me up on those those two platforms.

So IG is probably your most one that you like, connect with people.

Yeah, I can. Yeah, yeah, Hannibal is hungries right there. You see that? And yeah, on YouTube Hannibal's that's

so funny. Because see, I connect with more people on Twitter. Like I rarely on Instagram, and we I don't know, I just don't post a lot. But yeah, I met Steve. I've met so many people on Twitter just kind of connecting with people. It's just, I don't know, I guess I like that platform better. I mean, I have an Instagram account. It's just I don't ever use it very much.

Yes. What is what is interesting is like, what what works for you? Right? It kind of it kind of works in that in that in that vein? Yeah, Twitter just I guess I need to follow the right people. It just every time I look at it, just people yelling and arguing.

So that's me on Facebook. Like I hate Facebook. I only have it because it's part of the business. But other than that, I'm just like, Yeah, I can I can be done with this platform so quick, but definitely keep it on there. So alright, guys, thanks for listening. Obviously, Hannibal. Hang on and we will see you in a couple of weeks. Thanks.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Hey, you do not fast forward through these you listen to these ads are important to us. Please. Anyways, studio sponsor Irvine auto repair, go run rapid hybrid and EV call them at five, three to 6600. Or schedule online, Irvine, stop calm. If you go to their website, fill out your information, they send you a text, you know, you can do everything digitally if you want. Obviously, you can go in and see magnet Jamie in the front or Bruce. They're great. They're incredible. I can't thank them enough. And of course, if you do use their service, or even call them for anything, please mention that you heard it from our show because it really helps us to let them know. No, it helps them. It helps them to know that we're talking about them. That's confusing. Anyways, Irvine's dot com by three to 6600. Also, if you're interested in being a sponsor on the show, please reach out to us team at gig economy hyphen podcast.com. We'd love to talk about your product anywhere in the world. Grand Rapids, West Michigan doesn't matter. We'd love to support you by talking about your product. So reach out to us team at gig economy hyphen podcast.com. And we can get you a free, no hassle proposal for sponsorship. And then of course patreon.com Search the gig economy podcast if you want extra content more than what you get here on the free podcast. We give you one extra podcast at least a month. Usually an interview sometimes yesterday asked just hanging out on your third month at the $10 tear you get a free piece of merch. And then of course you get the pre show shit show that we talk before we go live on the show usually about 10 to 15 minutes. So I want to thank Hannibal for you know stepping in yesterday it wasn't able to make it. Being in Denmark, you can find Hannibal on Instagram. That's where it connects the most Hannibal is hungry. And then his YouTube channel handle Hannibal is hungry. Great guests. I hope you guys enjoyed him. I'd love to have him back. So thank you so much Hannibal and enjoy the show.

Hi, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. This studio is sponsored by Irvine's auto repair in Grand Rapids hybrid and EV we'll talk about them a little bit later. As you can see, it's different people on the show tonight. Welcome Hannibal, thank you for stepping in.

Thank you for inviting me, Jason. I will say that intro music is amazing. I will just jam into it the whole time. Actually, I but yeah, excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Yes. So we'll get to handle in a little bit. But so our boy Yes, spur is in Denmark and said to me, Jason, I'm going to bring all my equipment. And I'm going to podcast in Denmark and Denmark time. Denmark, and yeah, Denmark time. It'd be three 3am on Thursday there I think or maybe. Yeah, Thursday. I don't know. But it's early. It's 3am early. Yeah, exactly. And so he's like, I'm gonna do it. Went out with some friends and I'm gonna set my alarm take a nap and he's not here but that's okay. We got a handle. So I appreciate you stepping in everything you grow gig economy related if you go to gig economy hyphen podcast.com. Also the link tree in the description. I want to mention our Patreon people Keith from Indiana Janet from New Zealand, Larry from Bowling Green SAMSA from GRC from Colorado. Leo from Detroit, Chris from Grand Rapids and what was his name? Bud Dickman, but Dyckman from I don't know where he just joined.

That's a bad that's it. I love that name. Actually,

I feel like it's fake. I feel like it's fake. It'd be like a movie name. Yeah, something he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to let on who it is. Also, in the description, our telegram group where you can connect with drivers all over the country, chat about gig work, whatever. And also, our radio show that I'm doing between now and the end of the year on Friday nights from 7pm to 9pm. Eastern Time on TNC Radio dot live. It's with me and Steve from rideshare rodeo. It's kind of like a legit radio show on a station. Now it's not. It's internet radio. So you can you can swear which is kind of nice. But they take breaks just like a regular radio show and stuff. So cool. Cool. Kind of interesting. They play music intro outro music and stuff like that. So check that out. And then of course, Steve from the rideshare rodeo. What I always say Well, Steve, he talks about the gig economy like us But he's more of the nuts and bolts and gets really down and dirty with like prop 22 and 85 and all that complicated stuff where I'm just like, Yeah, I don't know. So we kind of do that too. But we also talk about fun stuff, and those kinds of things. So, yeah, so Hannibal, tell me a little bit about you give me like the 62nd interview, or intro speech, or if someone meets you in an elevator and you're like, who are you? What do you do?

Well, I you know, I'm a gig worker, but doing that for about a year full time, but I've been doing gig work since 2018 with a rover actually taking care of dogs, walking them boarding them. That's, that's my my main job. And as 2020 shaped and changed a lot of our trajectory in our lives, I started to do the food delivery apps, and then also being bored being in New York City. I'm from Brooklyn, I'm just didn't have much to do because everything was locked down. I started to make a YouTube channel. Hannibal is hungry. I started that talking about basic gig commentary and then also interviewing other content creators in that field. And that's probably my favorite part interviewing talking to people. And I've been having a great time since to be honest, I am happy compared to that w two life everyone likes to complain about but I like you know, betting on myself in setting my own goals. So it's been pretty good so far.

rover in New York Scott to be insane. I mean, yes, I love my dogs, and I spend way too much money them already. But I feel like in New York, especially there's not a lot of greenspace I like how do you own a dog in New York in like a 30 storey apartment building and it go into the bathroom,

it happens. Everyone has a book, I was, you know what, I don't know the stats on it. But everyone almost always say two or three people up at least say 50% of us have some kind of animal in our house, either it's cat or dog. And we have dog parks people still walk their dogs that you know they people will do spend their last dime on their dog. So the business has been really really blown up since May when the CDC kind of pulled back some of the restrictions and people were starting to travel again. So I've been really busy to a point where sometimes I don't do the food delivery stuff as much food delivery apps like DoorDash GrubHub and UberEATS because I've got all these dogs walking around and I have a unique situation where I have a backyard in the building don't have access to so they get to run around and play so my I have a very unique situation. But yeah, this dog business the business with animals multibillion dollar business a lot of people I can imagine

if you're walking your dog in the city with or it's a concrete jungle they just go number two right in the concrete anywhere

some dogs prefer to poop on the street they won't they don't care about the grass or any kind of soil that asphalt they'll just do what they got to do it's uh you know dogs are very they can adjust to a lot different environment.

Yeah, they would have to adapt it there's no green I mean you just gonna have to do what you got to do. He definitely definitely so we've already jumped into gig economy news just want to talk about Irvine auto repair grant advertisement our studio and AVR studio sponsor of this show. You can call them at 532 6600 or schedule service online Irvine stock calm I keep saying I get to get my car in and I am I'm about two weeks away from full time gig work so I need to get a maintenance check done on it and all that fun stuff and you can do everything online like I said go to Irvine comm they send you pictures of everything that needed to be repaired you approve or decline it it's amazing Megan and Jamie in the office and Bruce and the text back in the in the base they they're incredible and we can't thank them enough for supporting this podcast because I love doing it and all that money that we earned from them all that money in quotes goes to stream yard and hosting fees and all that stuff. You know yes her and I are you know buying beers although he's in Denmark I hate to say he probably used our money to pay for it but no, I'm just kidding. So 532 6600 or Irvine's dot com if you need that service and as always if you do go there call them for anything please mention that you heard about them from us we would really really appreciate it so so first up is going to be a video as we've talked about in the past drivers are there getting carjacked I talked about it on I think the radio show Friday that just seems to be happening more happening more I feel like it's kind of getting reported more. Anyways, so this guy wasn't gonna have it he said no, and we're gonna play that real quick and just talk about it

can I help you really get out well I don't have any money right now. Digital World bro. Give me a Why don't have it. Give me a lot right now. Give it to you gonna shoot me?

Get the fuck out of here. You don't want to get shot come on man no fucking camera to

look at you alrighty then does that guy have balls of steel? Or what?

Like a clean Clint Eastwood type of move, you know like that that is that is mind blowing. When you see that like what's going through your head like

I'm freaking the you know one out like I mean, he mentioned something like you don't want to get shot. So I wonder if he was carrying to I don't know if he had like his his weapon in his waistband or something I don't know, because that when the driver said to him, you don't want to get shot, do you? And I don't know. But like,

that was actually Jason That's a good point. He didn't mean he did say that. But in close quarters like that, you know, if you're going to say that you should have yours readying to be. Listen, I understand. As you get older, and I'm enjoying this, you start to not care as much. And so things that scare you. You're like, I don't even care. Like you're not gonna do anything like he called his bluff. Yep. You could tell that that wasn't something that that young young man was going to do. But I would say as much as that was a funny clip. And yeah, that dude, he balls a steel. That's scary, man. Yeah, I think those types of situations and like, as you mentioned early in, you know, before you play the clip, crime is rising in many in many areas, I think almost everywhere looks like there's, you know, robberies, carjackings and US gig workers that are outside of the field where we're like, the targets and this guy was targeted. And the good thing is, that dude wasn't he wasn't ready for that life clearly, yeah, back that he's like, you know, but it's a scary situation that we a lot of us have to deal with all of these streets.

Not sure what the passenger was doing in the back like you didn't hear anything from him and he had headphones on, but he did not realize what was going on.

I think it's like fear. Yeah. And frozen. Like, like, what you think like, Okay, what what I do in that situation is always something you always think of after the situation happened. But even at that time, that moment, like what the hell, I want to get out the car, I guess, but like, you left the driver out for defend themselves? I don't know. I would not know without

Steve comments like that dude's been robbed before. He's a pro at this time. He decided no. So clearly, he's got another video up where he was robbed. But, man.

Yeah. And I and I remember that story with Muhammad. Anwar. Yes. In Chicago, you know. So I had this idea to I thought, if I saw two girls come into my car, the man or the man, two teenagers, two young people demanded to get my take my car, I will probably say, Get the hell out of here. Like what? Like, yeah, but nowadays, these kids are performing adult criminal crimes, where you may the just your thought of how to deal with these kind of situations.

You know, the interesting part about and I think we did talk about that specific cases, your initial reaction is to be like, No, don't take my car, but in the grand scheme of things. That's what you have insurance for, you should probably just let it happen. You know what I mean, but you just feel so violated, you're like, that is my property. What are you doing? And so I probably would have done the same thing and it just didn't work out for him.

Yes, you don't really factor all those things can happen and things are happening so fast. You your initial, I think your initial feeling is to defend your property. Like this is my livelihood. I make money to support my family with this. You can't take this from yeah, there's a similar situation with an E bike. And I believe in the Bronx in New York. Someone tried to rob this guy. I think it's Fernando I forgot his last name. Forgive me, but he tried someone tried to take his bike shot him in the chest and died. But that bike represented not just convinced it was to deliver food to you know, he's I think it was I think it was a Mexican immigrant. So it's, it's a it's a crazy world we live in Jason.

Yeah, it is. I guess my only piece of advice if that happens, just let them take it that it's not worth your life. But sometimes, sometimes it just you get worried about that stuff. And you're like, No, I don't take my shit. So you know, Mark says those kinds of kids need to but weapon Yeah, they do. And then some punk said I'm surprised the pastor didn't get the f out of there. I know. Like he probably was frozen in fear because he did talk right after the guy got out. But I would have been like, I'm sorry drivers like it's everybody from there's their selves at that.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, say that.

So we've all experienced deliveries where they just don't go right and I'm sure you have as well. This guy. Well, this guy had a rough night. If you look at the picture It says, Hi, I dropped your food in front of your door. If your audio listeners, there's three giant McDonald's bags, and the dude is passed out in front of his door. Now my question is that he lived there or his girlfriend lived there and she wouldn't let him in. And he was just like, No, no, I need food right now.

You know what, let's not criticize. We've all been there. We all been there. Maybe we least made it into the apartment. We go in our OB to go on our app and just ordered too much food. You'd like to eat this meat that and Alright, so you're delivering that food when you try to wake the guy up? Or you're just like, well, if it's not my problem, take a picture and move on.

Honestly, I would be like, I would try to say bro, you okay? Yeah, like something? You know what I mean? Like an infuser. Yeah, I'd be like, Alright, man, here's your food. That would be my extent of it. If I couldn't wake him up, I would continue investigating. But yeah, yeah. And now you got a picture. What if he was dead? And now you're like, the biggest piece of evidence is you took a picture of this guy. And also

like, you're conscious, like, Damn, I should have did more but like, you're not a paramedic, you know. And, yeah, that's yeah, I mean, we all been there. I feel guilty. I've least made it into my house before I ordered too much food and didn't get delivered because I was sleeping. But yeah, that's, uh, yeah, I think I'll do what you said. Try to least, you know, hey, you're right here to some moans and groans. Like, okay, you're good. At McDonald's, you wake up and you know, chow down when you have that humble hangover.

Oh, my gosh, that guy's gonna have a bad hangover. I gotta see this picture again. So there's a running joke in this show. I'm just gonna let you know that. I've worked outside pretty much for the last 25 years and I pee in a Gatorade bottle when I have to go God bless me with utility to do that. And so it's a running joke on the show. So Mark says Jason's piss bottle was in the background. So I I definitely have to go look at this picture again and see oh, there is a Gatorade bottle right there. Oh, yeah. Ah, so maybe maybe his girlfriend is gave them like here. Here's some Gatorade or whatever. Oh, that's so funny. Mark. Yeah, good.

But you look at look at look at what he's wearing. You know, probably like that. What kind of like, work?

I bet that was a wedding. Yeah, he's alright. He was at

a wedding and he almost made it he almost made

the amount of food there there's probably like 80 bucks worth of McDonald's 80 bucks. Not that much. Right? That's ridiculous. Yeah, he

was gonna go enjoy himself. He's gonna have he's gonna have a good time. We just didn't. Didn't

didn't eat him. Ya make it making so Alright, next up there is let's see. So this is I'm going to read it on my rundown. It's looks like UberEATS customer states tipping less. Anytime an order has multiple stops not the deal and not okay. Driver not my fault. I can't control it. Yours was the first delivery anyhow. But whatever. Have a good day. Let's see if the order of arrives fresh and hot. I will add a tip this nonsense needs to stop. And then the driver. This is why people don't understand the power these drivers have. Oh, I'm canceling the trip so you can get your delivery in one stop. Only have a good day and apologize. So now it's gonna take longer. Like I my guess is he was on the way to get hers but decided that she you know, she wasn't going to get it in a quick time. I've been seeing that a lot, Lady a lot lately customers getting frustrated with multiple multiple stops. Have you had to deal with that at all?

Um, not? Not necessarily, personally, but I've seen so many stories. And yeah, the customer. I mean, we gotta try to look at it from everyone's perspective. I'm a customer. I would order when I ordered my food. I would like it as fresh and as quickly as possible. Right. I understand they do have other options for UberEATS I think you could pay a little bit more money to get it faster. Yeah, priority. Yeah, I'm thinking what Instacart. And I think if it's an I guess, if a customer perspective is like, wow, I have to spend even more money to get this done faster, should I you know, so I understand that dynamic. But the drivers for the most part, can't control that. Sometimes it comes into two you get two waters. So it's like the the company doesn't do a great job of explaining what's going on with it is not it is not explaining, okay, this is happening. It looks like you don't want to really explain that. Like you get your food when you get it. You know what I get as fast as you can, but you know, the driver is going to take two orders. So I understand both complaints. You know, like you understand the driver you can't control it and let's say the customer sometimes you got to pay more money, basically pay more money, and you will get your faster. But what do you think about that?

I think yeah, I think Uber is the only platform that has that priority and I don't know how much more it is.

Remembered I think He had like a doll. It wasn't like it wasn't like a whole lot of money, I think was like maybe an extra $2. From orders I would look at like, if I'm ordering like, you know, two meals or something like that. I think it was like $2. Now someone correct me in the comments, but it's not like an overwhelming amount of money. Yeah, a few

bucks. Not as much as the normal fee. So are they raked over the cold? Yeah, so normally, I don't take double orders on any platform. Because usually the second one is they're trying to slip on past the goalie, like I always say, and it's usually not as much as it really is. And it kind of it kind of misleads, like, Oh, this is like a really good order. But the second one usually isn't. But what I'll have is I'll have two orders on different platforms. That's when that's when it gets scary, you got to really make sure that you know, your directions when you pick up a second order from like, GrubHub. And you have one on UberEATS. Because obviously, the platforms aren't communicating with each other. And so that if you're starting to go dilute, deliver the GrubHub and UberEATS customers like where are you going? Yeah, and I've had that like, one time, most time people don't pay attention. Yeah, but I do try to be respectful of it. There's times where I'll, I'll pick, I'll grab it and I haven't had the food yet. And then I really analyze the addresses and I'll be like, You know what, no, this I'm not gonna be fair to them one of these customers, it's not fair. And I'll just dump it. Yeah, cuz I don't want the hate.

You know, the multi gapping like during the week like getting orders on multiple platforms. That's like an art and a science and luck and a lot of stuff like if you're if you know the Met like your map of your area, like the back of your head, man, you could probably get I do not my my sense of direction is terrible. I'm sorry to admit this right now. Thank God for GPS, I probably will be driving. My wife makes fun of me all the time. She's like, how do you even put your pants on whatever it is what is but but there's some people like some people just know their area is probably really fruitful to take a GrubHub or UberEATS if you know where everything is going. But going back to your point about putting a no tip order with a tip order. Instacart is must be the biggest culprit of that, where they're just doing that. Like, every time someone's getting a batch with two orders, most likely is going to be one order with a really good tip, a generous tip and one with no tip. And as far as basically saying, Well, you know, you gotta get getting the money. It just from one Yeah, he's or is not both, you know? And you can't I don't think you could cancel one other I don't believe maybe you can. I'm not sure.

Yeah. Mark in the comments. That's true. Instacart is is batching those all together? You really don't have a choice. You have to if you want to take one you have to take both. And I don't like I don't know if you can I did Instacart for a while. It wasn't bad. But yeah, I've shopped. I've done ship too. I've done it all. I swear. And it's stressful. Like, keeping the order separate. Yeah. And making sure you get it done like ship is so critical on you. If you don't get it there on time, like they're they knock you down. So hardcore if it's not there on time. So that's stressful. And it just wasn't really worth the stress for me the amount of money I was making, because if they don't tip you it's not worth anything.

True now. Yeah, I agree. Do you get

tips on rover? Is there an Is there a spot on the app? For you to get to?

That's a very good question, Jason. You know, that feature just came out literally last week, last week. So this whole time, tipping was encouraged, but was always off the app. But I think like rower wants everything in the app now. So they're like, Oh, now you can tip in the app. But before the customer will just, you know, hand you a few bucks. It wasn't something that rover would invite in the app they just started last week, which is kind of hilarious. I've been on since 2018. They just added that. So

why would they take so long? Because everyone wants it easier, right? I don't want to dig out cash. Like I rarely have cash. Just let me do it in the app.

I'm assuming they had there must have been dragging their feet on that one. Because yeah, that was something that I'm sure a lot of sitters were looking for, and just was taking our time, but they finally got it. So better late than never, I guess.

I'm really curious to see how much your income increases now that that's built into the app? Because I think it's it's probably going to go up

hopefully, since we have so much inflation. Hopefully that will supplement. Inflation is going on, you know, give me some extra dollars in the coffers there. So yeah, I am. I'm happy that it's finally on the app.

Yeah, I know, Uber, for the longest time didn't have tipping on their app either. And Lyft had it right from the get go. And then eventually Uber brought along but they initially set it the price. The tip was like included in the price. Now back in the day when Uber first started Yeah, you could make a shit ton of money. Because the rates were just incredible. But now they're so low. It's like you don't get a tip. It's like it's hardly worth it anymore. But yeah. Next up, I'm not going to go a ton into this but and this is from the Massachusetts coat coat. I can't say that word coalition coalition coalition. Coalition. Thanks You know, for independent work, so take it with a grain of salt, new poll 84% of California rideshare. And delivery drivers recommend that Massachusetts and other states passed laws like prop 22. So basically, they're saying in this article that like prop 22 is great, we should do it. I actually should ask, what is your opinion on prop 22? And 85? Do you want to strictly be an independent contractor? Or do you want to be somewhat of an employee?

Well, personally, I enjoy being an independent contractor. I, when I when I was fired, basically, last 2002, I was fired. And I told the person, it was more like a it was like a divorce. Like, the boss was crying, like, we just got it just not working out was like a marriage. That was almost everything. Oh, my goodness, yeah, it was a whole thing. And I did told I totally, I'm not, I'm not gonna work for anybody else. Like, I'm just gonna figure it out on my own. So like, for me, I am going to figure it out. I rather deal with that, rather than, say, a lot of government regulation. But these companies are daily asking to be regulated by how they are, yeah, leaving instead of fixing it, they want to just, you know, try to get as much as possible. So even the situation with Prop 22, they put that together, and I'm sorry, they're doing something similar with Massachusetts. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a very new industry, right? It's kind of started with, you know, 2008, and how things kind of went crazy with the recession and how the gig economy kind of came in, and it's still new, which they can't chaotic, it still feels like a company is vying for power. It's like a squid game. It's like everyone's trying to either buy each other or knock each other out of business. And when there's a labor, we're just like, stuck in the middle, just trying to figure it out. So usually, when I see a lot of people bragging about their take home page on they say, DoorDash, for example, it's always from California with the prop 22. Did you see that? DoorDash pay adjustment? And like, well, I will Yes, of course, I would like a pay adjustment, you know, like, we always want more money. But you know, it's it's a complicated situation. I think, though.

Yeah. I mean, I would like to see a little bit more transparency with these companies. I don't I I'm with you, I want to be independent contractor. I mean, I get fussy when I take an Amazon block, and they tell me that I have to be there from two to five. I mean, I get, I know why they have to do that I understand it. But it just, it's an example of like, I love the flexibility so much that I don't want any part of it. But we do need some protections, these companies need to be accountable for some of the stuff that they're doing. And I don't know what that looks like, I really don't want them to be forced to do it. So this is opportunity for these companies to step up and say, Hey, we're gonna do this, this and this, you know, to make you happy, but I don't know, I don't I don't believe that. If you really look at this article, and I'm going to share it on social this week, but you can click on the actual survey. And it's not as I mean, yeah, that number, you know, like, it's kind of click Beatty, I guess what I'm trying to say? Yeah, I think that and

so I've interrupted the a lot of politicians are trying to find that fix. And usually they just make things worse. And I think that's where it's going to be it's like they they're trying to because I think a lot of a lot of people who are really passionate and really upset some of them came from same thing like with me last a W two and they're doing his gig work and and kind of thinking, hey, this is not like my job at all. Like, I want the benefits. I want to be you know that that job level security, and I want to have freedom of flexibility. Like we want everything. We've got to figure out what we can have and we can have.

Yeah, yeah, I yeah, like I just reiterate, I wish we had a little bit more protection. But I also don't want I don't want to work a shift. I don't want Uber to tell me you can only work from 10am to noon or whatever I want to work when I want to work and so I don't know, I like I said I'll post this on social and you can kind of take a look at but I encourage you after you read the article, go look at the questions that they asked and how many people they pulled. It was it was a little like, Okay, I don't know about this. rideshare see from Rachel Rhodius Are you driving packs because it's spring or because you feel COVID safe to get back to it? Because it's spring. I don't know what that means. I will go where the money's at I will drive passengers around. But right now the money's not there. Unless there's a bonus left Scott incredible bonus for this week. It's 250 bucks for 20 rides. Which is really good. I'm not going to be I don't have time to get it done. But I'm going to go where the money's at. I would rather do delivery. But if rideshares got big bonus then I will go do rideshare so that's that's basically where I'm at. So go Oh, that was that Janet? Sorry. Sorry, Steve. My bad. Okay, this is a video about it's just kind of funny. These ladies were out just having dinner and driving down the road was like a delivery or No, no, no, this is my bad. This is wrong one sorry. I read that wrong. This one's about a tick tock, an Uber price phone kind of trick, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that's literally what they're doing. I think there's a lot of algorithms that change those prices. But we'll watch that real quick,

on the latest episode of capitalistic dogshit megacorps will do to squeeze more money out of you, they will charge you more if your phone is about to die, because they know you're desperate. So we just tried it. And as you can see, the phone is almost full. And this is 129. And as you can see, my phone's about to die and I get 154, which is 20%. More, this is just so nice. So I bet the guy who thought of that got a promotion. So moral of the story, if you want to save money, charge your phone. Whoa.

Yeah, I mean, so here's the thing, if you don't, I don't know, this guy's background, he's got a pretty decent following. I kind of looked at him on tick tock Uber's algorithms is like, this is another thing like transparency, right? Yeah, like some people get the bonuses, some like we can be in the same city, live on the same street drive the same amount of time, and one guy could get a bonus and one guy couldn't or one guy would get the surge and one guy couldn't. So I think what it is, is is probably just a fluke. I don't know, he's probably trying to get some, some likes or something like that.

Yeah. I mean, did he wait for the phone to die? Did he get later in a time when things got busier? I mean, it's not, you know, it's not so scientific, you know, a lot of, you know, terms of a lot of effort trying to figure out exactly what's going on. But we don't know how to algorithm work days. No, we don't know. And it seems like some, you know, just last week, with a whistleblower from Facebook explaining how, you know, how some of the algorithms weren't even that great in terms of checking certain content that should be allowed to go on the platform or not, and who knows what's going on and Facebook but that's like a multi billion dollar company, one the most valuable company in the world and that algorithm apparently sucks, apparently. So it's like, yeah, Uber and DoorDash. You know, they're not as valuable so it's, you know, we still we think that AI can replace people but yeah, I still kind of stupid like people should still be operating some of these things. But you know, labor you don't have to pay AI, you know, anything, so yeah, I don't know. I take that with a grain of salt with that. Um,

yeah, I like to see him repeated a couple times. Just to see if he could, you know, do it more than once. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, they so Steve says bit phone battery can't be read by these platforms. I don't know Steve. I don't know. I I was just gonna say I wouldn't be surprised that they can read your batter. I mean, you have to give up so many permissions when you download those apps allow allow allow, but I don't know maybe they can. I know.

It'd be nice if they can't like his it'd be certain things they they can't look at. Yeah, but also a rideshare everything's expensive I mean, you know, I drive I'm sure you drive it you know, use rideshare a lot anymore, or no, but the prices are increased a lot of ride ride la drivers don't want to do it anymore. Either. Or not worried about the COVID stuff. They worried about crime then when someone's car and the food delivery the shopping apps to get as much money or more money, less mileage wear and tear in a car. So things are going to get more expensive just using these you know, things in general.

Steve says not on iOS, though. Yeah, I know Apple is more strict about letting apps read their stuff. Okay. Don't be talking program shit. What unisex? Isn't that like a shirt that can be worn by men or women like? Guys, I love it. That's funny. Before we move on, I just want to talk about you are a potential sponsor. We're always looking for a sponsor advertisers on our show. If you'd love to be on the show, we can get your word out where we're worldwide. That's what I always say no, but no, we can put together a proposal for you all our stats or numbers and stuff and send that out to you. So we'd love to have you on the show. We'd love to talk about your product, something that you want to sell. I mean, obviously something that's web based is probably easier. But you know, if you're in the Grand Rapids market, and you're local, we we our biggest our biggest market obviously is Grand Rapids because that's where we're from, but yeah, just reach out to us. You know, team at gig economy hyphen.com Or you know, send us a Facebook message also. Yes for who's not here I thought for sure he chime in by now. Yes for me and my partner band owned a production company called Hey guys Media Group we help people start their podcasts we edit their shows those kinds of things. We'd love for you if you're interested in starting a podcast to reach out to Hey guys media to search it on the web, you'll be able to find it but yeah, if you're ever interested in starting or just need some consulting or anything like that we would love to help you. This is something I'm excited for. So this is about it's Indigo technologies wants to make lightweight Cars for the gig economy workers now, I don't have any pictures for this. But first of all, the car is ugly, ugly, like it's rough looking. I know it's just a, you know, a demo or whatever. But the company is based out of Massachusetts and they're trying to make cars that benefit Uber Amazon flex Instacart, those kinds of things. And they're trying to make an electric. So the one one seater that they have has 58.3 cubic feet. That does nothing for me like cubic feet, like, Do you know what that how big that is?

Well, I do not, but I agree with you. I did see the picture of the vehicle. It's ugly, and it's small. So the first thing when I saw it, I said, okay, if I'm Instacart shopper, how the hell am I take any kind of batches at all? Like it? Just it's Yeah, well, it's basically only it looks like for food delivery, right? Like, what else are you going to put in this

thing? Yeah, it's a one seater this one. So they have two models. So this is a one seater has a range between 150 and 250 miles on a single charge, and it's going to start have a target price, about 20. Grand. Which, what to me? I mean, for an electric car, remember, think about the electric part, because that's that's where the key is you're not spending any fuel on that. So they also have a Ford, our cousin, which has 106 cubic feet, so double the cargo space. And it doesn't say how many seats are in that one. I assume it's four seats. Did you think 20 grand was too much?

I think for one seater. Yeah. I didn't get to see that. The bigger the bigger one. So oh, there was no picture for that one. Yeah, that and like I said, how ugly it just, it don't look as cool as I tried it. I think I tried to get that that futuristic aesthetic. Yeah, it just misses the mark. I think it's just you know, I guess it's just for working. Right? Well,

what Yeah, exactly. And although that would be funny, if you're like going on a date, and you're like, Yeah, I'm gonna order an Uber. And that son of a gun thing comes up and you'd be like, Oh, shit, my day is gonna think I'm a loser. You know what I mean? Not that you can control that. But that would be funny. Yeah, but but one cool thing about this car, which I'm excited about is they're working on an innovation with the suspension system to provide a most comfortable, comfortable ride as they can. So I'm excited about this. Because with Amazon flex, my suspension system is jacked. Like I've already put, I put, like, almost two grand into my power steering system, because it just got beat up because a lot of times with Amazon flex when you're just delivering just packages, you're out in the boonies, like it's dirt roads, and it's muddy, and she's just bouncing up. So apparently, he says we've literally reinvented the wheel in such a way that we created the world's first propulsion sis suspension system right into the wheel. Oh, it's called the Super wheel. And it's an active suspension technology allows the driver to control each corner of the vehicle going over bumps is no longer an issue creating what he calls a magic carpet, right? Okay, whatever. Every single wheel that's touching the ground will have the ability to raise up when it hits a speed bump and push down if it hits a pothole without the rest of the vehicle dipping. So it's basically like you're driving along, that wheel drops, but you don't notice it because it's got its individual suspension, which

that's, that's amazing. It's incredible.

I was so excited about that. Because oh my gosh, like, Oh, that would be so great. And and I bet it would save a lot of like wear and tear because the whole car's not going cut chunk. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I mean, I got your dirt roads, you know, in the boonies. I'm just in Brooklyn. The, the yards are just jacked up like every Yeah, so I'm bouncing around all the time. So that Alright, 20,000 and I can glide around the neighborhood glide around my Yeah, I would I Yeah. I think I would, uh, I would know. Yeah, think about investing that yeah,

like to me, I want a Tesla so bad just because I don't really trust like the Chevy Volt. I don't know why I'm not I'm kind of like an Asian car kind of guy. Like I have Honda's on my Honda has 240,000 miles on it my SUV. It's no no lights, no check. engine lights on that thing. Yeah, this it needs some suspension work. Of course. Am I gonna wait till it breaks till I fix it? Yeah, of course. When I bring it to Irvine's and they're gonna say this is jacked under here. I'm like, hey, it's fine. I'm not spending the money until it's broke. Yeah, it is. But my car is running great. You know what I mean? The problem is like, literally gas is I mean, it's probably more expensive where you're at but I was like, almost on he yesterday, like, almost fumes and I put $65 in that thing in it. And I get 17 miles to the gallon. Yeah, that sucks, you

know? And right now it's very you know, car prices are Hi, LD the chips, it gets computer is on backorder and, and I just finished purchase, paying off my little car, and I have my Jeep as well. I'm going to just write it into the breakdown. I just right now just not worth the financial hole of trying to get another loan. I'm not doing that. So I'm going to ride to the wheels fall off literally. Yep,

me too. My goal, I have a 13 year old daughter, she's going to be 14 in December two years if I can I want her to have that now, that's I mean, I do gig work half the year full time. So that's a lofty goal. But I mean, I bet when I if if I could, you know without crashing it too. That's another risk. You're always on the road, the chances of you getting hit or whatever are pretty high. But that car pile have 400,000 miles on it. If I can make it till she's 16. So we'll see. But yeah, I want an electric car. I'm tired of paying incredible amounts of money for gas. But the problem is if you want to do Amazon flex you kind of I mean, you kind of need a little bit of a beefy car you just do if you're in at least my neck of the woods. You know, obviously, I'm around the city all the time. But Amazon that's what they do. They send the flex drivers out to, you know, the boonies and keep their drivers in in the city. I just don't know if I could take a Tesla down a dirt road and not cry every time it was, you know, muddy,

dutiful car. Yeah,

I know. Yeah, but we'll see. We'll see. Yeah, man. I'm excited about that. The suspension thing I about died. I was reading it before the show. And I got so excited about this. Man if I can avoid those potholes, and you

know, that's not it's a game changer. I agree. I agree. Yeah, changer.

All right. Real quick, too. And I'm sure I forgot his name. Oh, Chad probably talked about this one. DoorDash UberEATS GrubHub must disclose hidden fees, given new delivery workers, all tips on the new California laws that one that he talked about?

I believe we have we talked about last stuff, but I believe Yeah, we talked about that. You know, the interesting thing. Again, why had to make a law about that, you know, like, you guys, guys, like why you can't just tell us what is going on. And I understand why but this is gonna continue to happen. These these regulations is gonna just keep keep coming.

Well, we just talked about that. Right. If the companies don't shape up, the government's going to step in, and I am not. I'm not. I hate to say it. I would like less government in our business. Like, that's just I think sometimes Jacks it up. And I think a lot of times the government wants it because they want their tax money. Right, you know, so, but I think this is a good one. I honestly am glad California did this. Basically, the bill prohibits food delivery apps from charging customers more than a restaurants do, which is that one's huge, because most restaurants on you know, if you order food delivery, it is more than what it is on their menu. It also addresses hidden fees, requiring the companies to disclose to restaurants and customers detailed cost breakdown of each transition or transaction. And then of course, it says, you know, they're gonna make sure you get all your tips. But yeah DoorDash which originally said it had no comment on the signing of AB 286 later said it already provides transparency. That's bullshit right there. Throughout his platform to customers, merchants and delivery workers. The company also said Dashers always receive 100% of their tips and see the full breakdown of all their deliveries in the app. That's such a lie

off just saying no comment and moving on no kidding But going back to the how the items in these apps are more expensive. I always assumed that maybe I'm wrong that it was the restaurants there were up charging like putting more money because of the cut that these companies are taking out of their pot that they would try to offset that way is the is the you think is the abscess doing that. But they're

no you you you bring up a good point I thought the same to recover it recoup their costs of you know, Uber, I think takes like 35% Crazy, crazy. So maybe it is that but according to this, some of the apps are doing that themselves. So they must be keeping that money too. Right? Like obviously they're they're not giving it to the driver. No, not at all. But so this is one this is one time where I'm glad they stepped in because you know anytime we can have more transparency on any of these apps is a win for everyone. That's the biggest

thing I think I know a lot of us want more money of course we all want more money. But you know if one thing can change tomorrow, what would it be for me in terms of having a better experience being a gig worker is just be transparent like just let me know if it's garbage just let me know it's garbage. You maybe I'll take it probably not but at least let me know. Maybe?

Probably not. It Do you have a just curious that popped in my head? Do you have a limit that you will take and not take? Like, do you have like, is it a mile thing? Is it a time is probably more a time thing?

Yeah, it's a little Little Mix. Because I'm in such a good condense area of you know, Brooklyn has like 8 million people in a city or some crazy amount of people. So there's like 1000s of restaurants. So mine is based on time and I want at least $2 a mile to dollar ratio. And I don't want to go like over four miles, which is kind of crazy, like everyone else is going all these but just taking my son to school this morning. It took me 40 minutes to drive three miles. It's just so much traffic. There's too many human beings in our city I need to move I should move but there's too much of us here and we all driving in the same roles and we're just no accidents. It's just we're just in the road are the bumper bumper to bumper

craziness All right next up these are for you. So I want you to comment on these these are rover. The first one it's a looks like a booking between David and somebody and it looks like the guy that's going to take care of the pet says hey, I want to let you know that I do use ultrasonic bark detergents like the sonic egg. I do use the beep and spray collars if owners are comfortable with it. Customer no I'm not okay with that. That needs to be upfront information. My dog does not barking that has never gone after another dog or person. What are you? What do you call it? The sitter is that yeah, the sitter the center says that is why I'm a for me now. Thank you for letting me know. Customer okay, why not be needing to meet and greet since we will not be using you. And he's like, thanks for letting me know. Yeah, this is odd.

Very odd. You should not be implementing any kind of electric collar to stop the awesome bracket. That probably means that person is probably in an area that they're taking care of dogs where they should probably shouldn't have dogs dogs are barking because dogs bark. Yeah, dogs gonna bark dogs bark my floors bringing or a new person is coming on. They're playing. So the idea you trying to limit the way the dogs communicating? Yeah, um, I don't really use any kind of color, isn't it? I don't know that. And I understand some trainers do that. But that's just not for me. I think there's other ways to get dogs is not bark. Sometimes just Alright, if you want to turn, spray a little water. Ah, yeah, stop, stop, dummy.

You know what I mean? Your role your role is a sitter is not to train the dog here that their desire to live just to keep it alive.

Take a picture every day of them, but they're alive and happy love. Give them love Padam hang out we watch TV a lot. He's dogs. I always tell when I do Meet Greets with clients. I say, you know, it's not rocket science, but just hanging out with your dog for a few days. They'll be fine, because right now everyone is just so panicked. They're like, you know, we've been together for who here? He's a COVID like I don't know if that means a COVID dog as long as a dog that's your pet you were home all year. It's fine dog be okay. Yeah, it's more no client. That's more of the anxious than a dog dog is happy. But you know, but Yeah. Should not be doing any kind of training methods with callers like that. So that's a no go. Yeah, that

is that is strange. I don't know how that guy even gets business. It's very weird. No, again, we're taking a screen. A snapshot of this conversation looks like there's stuff above it. So we don't know anything about it. But you know, we can only judge on what we see but my my Lord, and then this one's funny too. The last one is how sending request home information. I have a three bedroom two bath home with a large fenced in yard and Wi Fi. All right, great. Next, the next paragraph along with the two dogs I have seven cats to parakeets a con for I don't know what that is a cockatiel. Fish in a turtle outside I have four ducks and 12 chickens. The cats have their own room, so you'd only need to feed them in the evening. The dogs in the turtle and the fish are the only other ones you'll need to feed each day when he is the golden doodle and schuyler's Yorkie mix both are very sweet as long as when he doesn't touch Skylar. Oh my gosh.

And that I wouldn't I would not take Yeah.

That is crazy. I mean, what why would someone think that you would do that?

You know, well, if you pay enough money, you know someone will but another thing that we deal with just like with every other app a lot cheapskates a lot of people try slick so they're like he took care of my dog open my cats over here. You just feed it once a day. It's okay like well, you didn't put that in the app right tries like you're trying to get a free service. So I was like, people will try to get away with things. So one things I do you know, especially when you start getting good traction because when you go on rover, you're you have a profile, you have your rates you get to adjust your rates. I don't like cheap customers so my rates are high and so when they try to book your look at my information to see how much it costs, if you know they want to talk to me, which is good, perfect. I don't want anyone that cheap. I don't want someone that wants me to take care to animal Like they'll like I had a request today. Hey, like you took care of my dog tomorrow. Like, I don't know your dog. Yeah, you have a picture of your dog. That's no I need more information. So like, certain things you want to screen out those kinds of crazy customers. The weirdest one I ever did was and I got paid pretty decent. I take care of like, for Dobermans and I had to feed a turtle. And I had to feed a bird. Okay, actually took a picture. There's a cute little bird. But I pay for all those things. It wasn't a, you know, surprise thing. Like you just take that on your way out like, no, I need to get paid for these things. And that was like a house visit I had to do twice a day. But yeah, some people try to get away with it. Same thing is I guess every other so yeah, try to find a way to you know, showcase this.

I guess my question is so in my head rover was just a dog thing. But you you can get hired for a cat or a parakeet or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, they got whatever they could, you know, take a picture of it. And you'll say, Hey, this is the animal they call it exotic. Okay, kind of overreaches, and you know, you can if you're comfortable with taking care of it. Back in a W two job, we took care of rabbits. We had a Guana hedgehog one time, that hedgehog actually escaped. We couldn't find it for a few minutes back in a job who was freaking out on Christmas Day. It was like where's this damn hedgehog? But yeah, we all types of animals as long as it's not illegal like a condor? I don't know. I don't know

what that is either. Some sort of a snake maybe?

Yeah, cuz the condor is like a bird of prey, which I'm sure that's not something to be taken care of

that CEO and you see, O N U R E. I don't know. Maybe you spelled it wrong, too. But anyways, either way, that guy's a psycho.

Or you need more than one person do all that work. Yeah, it's like a farm or something. Like get ducks got chickens. Like a hole. Get the hose like a farmer. Yeah.

Wow. That guy's gonna have trouble getting that paid. Or getting. Mark No babysitting trout. No, bro.

No, I'm not.

I mean, unless you're into that. I mean, I guess I'm not gonna judge anyone. Oh, Google says conquer is a bird. Okay, well, at least it's not a snake snakes. Not fan out a fan. Alright, couple more things. But first, I just want to talk about Patreon. As we talked about all our members this morning with this morning, earlier in the show. We really appreciate them. If you'd like to support the show, you can go to patreon.com Search the gait Academy podcast, we do one extra podcast a month and on your third month you get an exclusive piece of merch more than likely a t shirt with our logo on it. And then you get the pre show banter to like we kind of talked before the show and you know, yes for normal when normal. Normally he's here we do do is Hannibal today. So you get an extra bonus with that. But yeah, we'd really love to support again patreon.com Search the gate Academy podcast, and just recorded another episode tonight. interview with a company out of Seattle that's trying to kind of change up the gig economy. Gaming was really fun, and I think you'll really like it. So patreon.com Search the gig economy podcast. All right. This one's just kind of funny. I don't know how legit it is. But so it's a picture of a guy a Lyft driver and the squirrels there's a squirrel dead on what would you call that like underneath the windshield wipers but between the hood that little weird area? Yeah,

that little little concave. Yeah, that collects

all the leaves. You know what I mean? You got to clean out in the fall, but it says I thought my first pastor last night was trying to tell me there was a raccoon in the bushes or something. Nope. Just drove around with a dead squirrel on my hood all night. Ah, I'm like, I don't know. Do you think that's legit?

Well, first of all recipes. Yes. You know, like

lived a good life. I don't know how it ended up there. But okay.

I mean, did he did he somehow that he hid the squirrel and flipped it onto the side of his I'm sure that would happen. Is it possible to drive at night sometimes, especially when you just focus and you just try to get your money? Maybe but I don't know. Yeah, I think I would have noticed I wrote it on my windshield. Yeah,

I love when I see these though. Because even if it is fake like this the first time I saw a dead squirrel on a Lyft car. I mean, I'm not gonna lie like I've seen. I see a lot of pictures. Gig pictures. I follow so many channels and I've never seen that so that's kind of fun. Yeah, it is dead dead it Oh, yeah.

It's that's not how we're supposed to know. The wage. Yeah, no.

Another arcaro For my man, Steve. Uber X. X Uber driver takes legal action over racist face recognition software. So long story short, long story short, long story short, basically, it was a black driver who was on the platform from 2016 to April 2021 has filed a suit claiming his account was illegally deactivated when facial wrecking software used to lock drivers onto the ride hailing app decided he wasn't, he was. So the article just kind of goes on and you know, says that. But obviously it's designed to protect safety and security of everyone using the app sharing the correct drivers using it. Of course, they're committed to fighting racism being equal. Yeah, yeah, we know that. So this was interesting, though, drivers can choose human verification of their picture. And when tick tock technology is chosen, there's always a minimum of two human expert reviews prior to any decision decision to remove a driver. So that's weird, right? So like, if they're gonna kick this guy off the platform because they're not they they he's not who the he's not who he says he is. to humans look at that and still make the decision to kick them off.

Or there's no humans and they're just using the AI just looking at the algorithm. Yes, save time and they doing that? I mean, it's interesting. When I have when I do Uber Eats every cup same thing with Uber I'm sure a couple of maybe a week or two they say hey, take a picture your face so we know to you and for months I thought it was just oh this happens to everyone because I when I do it, I usually do dinner so it's dark. So I'm in the car I start my app because I usually don't start when I'm in the house. And they'll say take a picture I'm taking a picture I got the all the lights on the car I take it but nothing's working. Oh my god. Did I really have to get out the car you need to go into a store somewhere layer and then it didn't work? I thought that was just oh just you know he's not that great with low light. It just got good you know, like I talked I talked about this with Chad he's got to get it together got to fix it got to strengthen this technology. It doesn't.

It doesn't seem that hard to fix. And I think if it isn't the dark if I'm not mistaken. I think it doesn't light up. Doesn't the screen get brighter or something? I swear because sometimes I've had to do it where I've like got kicked off because like Uber lately if you if you decline like two or three rides it just literally kicks you out like you have to resign in and sometimes it makes you take the picture and I swear at night the screen gets super bright but maybe not. But yeah, I mean get your shit together I don't understand why

it is like this discriminatory. It's I don't think it's something that's no intentional. It's just get the technology strengthen enough. So if I'm going to do dinner, I'm on a dinner shift and it's dark in the car. Let me take the you know, like I want to start working I'm trying to figure out where the damn light is. And go and get you know, take a decent I'm

surprised the car light isn't bright enough for you. Oh, no, no, no, that's ridiculous. But yeah, well hopefully they'll get their stuff together. I mean, I don't know about the lawsuit. I mean being falsely deactivated. Yes, I but if you're claiming racism or whatever, it's like they're not like they're not trying to do that. I mean, all those apps are pretty pretty legit as far as that goes,

we want you to go out there and take all the bad offers no matter what race you just take

exactly. They don't even care they want you working so their intent is not to do it but when you say you have to humans look at it before you kick people off the platform that's bullshit because any person would know okay, this is this guy we're not going to do exactly what okay this is the robot when I was talking about so basically it's a one of those little robots that deliver I think I don't know I'm just trusting the Reddit commenters I could be full of shit but I'll play the video and see what you think the moment this cute little delivery robot so

the bystanders going

to go help I don't know I just thought that was funny that they were watching it like oh look at this cute little little robot and then yeah, this is why we won't be replaced anytime soon for that reason. And I want to know Robert

was very it was very confidently right like went into that fire hydrant right

like it was hauling. It had like, like, like rough tires on it. Like it was like odd can take on any terrain. But yeah, I don't know if somebody was like, actually like driving it with a remote control or it was actually like, AI that was directing it. But yeah, I don't know.

Yeah. AI is not something that's I mean, they're they of course they're working on it. They want the you know, the no driver in the car is always like, is going to get there to that point is not ready. It's not ready. Not anytime soon, even if that was a joke. Because usually the ones I've seen they they're not going out quickly. Well, from the little robots. I've seen that they're going in campuses. They kind of just feel steady Eddy kind of speed. But even if that was fake, that was funny.

Yeah. See from Roger rodeo. Just going back to the article remember that's what I don't can't pronounce his name in London told me make sure to choose human verification because with dark skin and women the facial recognition they use in London is made by Microsoft they admittedly say they say it works 80% of the time by people of color and women that's not very good stats.

Yeah, that's not good. Got to pick that right pick it up Microsoft Come on.

Alright, couple more things. Just picture and then an article that I added late because I read the news about it. So this first one oh man, I labeled it as Karen one. Or Karen and then I had to do two pictures. Drive I just picked up your order. I have an order on my route to take care of then I will be headed your way she's like okay, at 321 at 336 My food better not be cold because you're not even close to my location. So clearly this is someone that has looking at the app you're your you other order was not in route to my location driver. I've got a lot of orders today. Your order will be nice and warm. I'll make sure of it. I'll be to in five minutes. I have to drop off the orders in the order that I received them. I'm not sure I think in DoorDash you can flip those around. Don't quote me correct. Oh, you can? Yes, you can. I'm not sure

Uber Eats UK Okay, I think definitely yes.

349 My food is cold. You didn't even knock I did not request contactless delivery not happy at all. He's like the driver. Why lie? I don't wish to expose myself I have children I knocked in your food was hot in the bag, then get a new job she says so I don't know if she actually did. She didn't want contactless. But if you got to follow the what it says he probably didn't want to knock on the door and talk to her because she was pissed. So he's like, I'm just gonna drop it. She's, she says, then get a new job. Oops, that's the next picture. Sorry, oh, then get a new job. I hope your supervisor appreciates your poor customer service. Driver, I have choices to have contact or not. You're just a peach, aren't you? Now you actually don't The driver doesn't. It's the customer. Customer. I'll be elevating my complaints. He says Have a good night, Karen. Thank you for the record of poor customer service, I can now show your supervisor. He says I don't negotiate with terrorists. I'm sorry, I can't make the world revolve around you better luck next time. Have a wonderful evening. So I mean, he technically was in the wrong he can't choose. I mean, that's if if if you are worried about your safety, I No disrespect to that. But you should probably not do this job then like, if you're not comfortable, even with a mask on talking with customers, you probably shouldn't do it. And I agree. Like I said, he probably didn't want to talk to her because she was super pissed. And he probably didn't want to get in the air full. But you can't make the decisions. You have to abide what the customer said. The thing I get a lot, which I'm sure you do, too is like it says it doesn't say no contact list. But in the notes, it says just drop at the door. So then you have this awkward like, Well, I'm not supposed to drop it at the door. But you're asking me to I don't know what you do I just drop it knock like, I'm like,

um, it depends on the situation, it depends on how, you know, I guess you get a feel, yeah. If this person has been given me crap, and I'm one of all exactly what the app says. And going back to your point, Jason, a lot of drivers don't really have a lot of customer service background. So they're not familiar or comfortable dealing with, you know, the Karen's of the world all those people who are just, you know, they're uptight, they they disrespectful, and you may not want to deal with that. But when you go out and have customer service, and you deal with strangers every day, it's you know, you realize he can't take it personal yet it may have an attitude with you, but it's never really a you know, you may think it's it's your fault, but it really isn't just you can't control all the variables in the world. So you don't want to jeopardize your platform, your job, you know, with the apps by not following directions, because you want to avoid Yeah, dealing with a annoying customer. Yeah, I

mean, you can even figure out what area of town I mean, if it's a bad area of town, like I mean, I hate to be judgmental, but you should probably just, you know, probably follow what the app says I don't know. I just feel like if I feel like those areas of town people get fussy but then also in the super rich areas you get some Karen's that are fussy too. I don't know I always just don't know what to do. When Yeah, it says the app says you know knock on the door enhance the customer and the instruction from the customer says leave it and I just kind of go well, the customer wants me to leave it so I customer's always right so I just that's what I typically do I just drop it in Yeah.

i Yeah, I again, it really depends on the area like yeah, you know, just like you or at least for me, I avoid to get oh yeah, even though I kind of live in again. And I know it's like I don't work I live here but I'm working Yeah, I think like I rather live I rather work where you know the income levels a little higher. I better restaurants. Yeah. For the fast food restaurants because I feel like a lot of the weird kind of No, I didn't get the order or there's always some wrong. Did you get all the little catch ups? Like all that little weird stuff? I don't deal with as much when you're just doing with the regular like Mom and Pop restaurants where people usually tip anyway. So, yeah, would you the kind of words you pick does kind of give you an idea of how your day is going, right? We were just doing the McDonald's it was every all day. You got to deal with some nonsense. Yeah,

McDonald's, i Man, it's got to be a really high value for me to do McDonald's because one and I don't know about you, but most of the lobbies are closed. So the drive throughs are the only way to go. Tonight. It's a nightmare. And like, you just I mean, I would drive past them. If I took a high value on I would literally go to the McDonald's. If there was if it was the drive thru was busy. I would just cancel it. It's not worth me sitting in line for 15 minutes. I mean, it's gonna have to be a really, really high value for me to do

that. I agree. It's not worth it. For the most part majority of women not yet. Exactly.

So the last article it got it got announced today. Thank you for the rideshare guy. Uber did acquire drizly for $1.1 billion. And we talked about a couple episodes ago, the FTC was looking into them because they're trying to not let Uber become a monopoly but clearly they cleared them to to buy it, but I'm so pissed about that, like Uber is just trying to it reminds me of Amazon really to be honest with you, trying to do everything trying to buy up everything. I mean, good for them good for drizzly. I mean, gosh, 1.1 billion. Can you imagine starting a company from scratch and you sell it to Uber for a billion dollars?

I feel like Yeah, I mean, great. I mean, that's, that's always you know, that if that was the plan, or you realize, hey, I'm looking at the marketplace, and it's extremely competitive. Let me cash out now where things are pretty good, like, Will drizzly will ever be more valuable than one point? Probably not considering all these other companies are looking to, you know, Docker whole delivery and everything like that. And it's interesting. I think everyone is trying to be like Amazon, like, I think DoorDash you know, Tony Chu is? He's probably thinking I could do I want to be like, Amazon, too. I want to try do a little bit everything. Yeah, I want to buy companies and any going back to Instacart. Like it's quite looking for someone to purchase them. So it's, it's gonna be a really interesting and chaotic future, like, what's happening here. And what's gonna happen in two years, it may be completely different. So it is gonna be very interesting to see.

Yeah, I always asked these newer companies that I interview, curry is one of them, which is a delivery platform for like, heating and cooling, those kinds of things where you can get, you know, we're not sending a big truck to deliver that kind of stuff. And I interviewed him and I said, So what's your what's your end goal? I mean, is it to grow up big and sell it? And he said, it's not but I don't blame these these companies for doing that like drizzly. Like, you got to look out for your family. I mean, you start this from scratch. And if everyone agrees on it, like, take that cash out, man, like, you know, you could cash out and never work again. Or you could make something else amazing.

Yeah, I think you got to look at the market, see how things are flowing. And you kind of you know, I guess, try to do some forecasts and say, hey, you know, next year, maybe a little bit rougher is how about, you know, like I said, cash out now, and you could pursue other interests, you could do so many other things. So there's nothing wrong with doing that. But I feel like there's so many little small companies doing the same thing. Yeah, eventually, they're going to get brought out or be out of business. We will not we will know in the future. But definitely know about that. The only

frustrating part that I've always said is I don't want Uber to own it all. Because then there's no, they have a monopoly, right? Because like, I like to have seven, eight apps that I can choose from and there still are. But if Uber keeps buying these companies up, it's just like, then we're then we have to use Uber and then we kind of got to do what they say because they own everything. But I mean,

yeah, yeah, you definitely don't want any kind. You want competition you want you want companies coming in with fresh ideas, better ideas, because they will look at the current situation and realize, yeah, this kind of sucks. Let's do it this way. So I understand that point, but I still think it's still gonna be enough competition to keep keep Uber, you know, I guess, trying to pursue better ways of doing things. Well, at least

there we have Amazon because Amazon and Uber will always they'll they're not going to join in. So Amazon will be a competitor. I mean, they're trying. there was rumors for a while that they were gonna buy Lyft you know what I mean? So drizly was founded in 2012. So they literally nine years they turn this in, they sold it for a billion dollars in nine years. That's incredible. That That is incredible. Oh, the American dream, man. I'm telling you like holy cow. There's hope for us animal there's hope

you can develop an app service thing not

not that now. Our shows will go maybe Spotify Oh by us I sell out the Spotify

Rogan had 100 million you'll take you'll take a few few you know, if you bought

a ticket for 100 grand I'll sell for 100 grand. Anyways, this is Hannibal, why don't you tell people how they can find you?

Alright, uh, Instagram handles hungry. A YouTube handle is hungry. I can't remember my Twitter. Sorry, I don't Twitter, Twitter a lot clearly. Yeah. A lot. But, uh, yeah, definitely hit me up on Instagram. And you know, check out my YouTube channel. I'm always talking to different creators always having different topics and a little different from the ride alongs I don't really do too many of those because I find them boring myself. But you know, I'm always trying to find fresh ideas and talk about these kinds of topics. So yeah, just check me up on those those two platforms.

So IG is probably your most one that you like, connect with people.

Yeah, I can. Yeah, yeah, Hannibal is hungries right there. You see that? And yeah, on YouTube Hannibal's that's

so funny. Because see, I connect with more people on Twitter. Like I rarely on Instagram, and we I don't know, I just don't post a lot. But yeah, I met Steve. I've met so many people on Twitter just kind of connecting with people. It's just, I don't know, I guess I like that platform better. I mean, I have an Instagram account. It's just I don't ever use it very much.

Yes. What is what is interesting is like, what what works for you? Right? It kind of it kind of works in that in that in that vein? Yeah, Twitter just I guess I need to follow the right people. It just every time I look at it, just people yelling and arguing.

So that's me on Facebook. Like I hate Facebook. I only have it because it's part of the business. But other than that, I'm just like, Yeah, I can I can be done with this platform so quick, but definitely keep it on there. So alright, guys, thanks for listening. Obviously, Hannibal. Hang on and we will see you in a couple of weeks. Thanks.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Recommended Episodes

Image
© 2019 - 2021, Hey Guys Media Group, LLC

Weekly Newsletter